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Struggling with storage on your N7? I found the solution.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Satel...ie=UTF8&qid=1343585688&sr=8-7&keywords=goflex
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Buy the Seagate GoFlex mobile wireless HDD. This thing is AWESOME. It's about the size of a WD Passport and has 500GB of storage. The only downsides are that you have to connect to the device wirelessly, and that makes it a trivial pain in the arse to have to switch back to your WiFi when you're done, and you can only connect three devices at once, but really...who's complaining? It beats the piss out of a tethered 64GB microSD card.
It works for my iPad, my SIII, and my N7.
I love this thing.

Google drive. $4.99 a month for 100gb. I use drop box because I got 50gb free with my galaxy s3. I find this to be so much better than external storage. Actually transfers faster sometimes.
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Maybe, but you just killed your battery using this, so the advantage of adding storage (presumably for more media) is denied by the disadvantage of battery life. Seriously, if you really need more local storage, buy another tablet.

jdyowa said:
Google drive. $4.99 a month for 100gb. I use drop box because I got 50gb free with my galaxy s3. I find this to be so much better than external storage. Actually transfers faster sometimes.
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Streaming video does not play nicely with Google Drive. I have a 80GB drive for $20 a year (leftover from docs). It's a no-go for video. I also have 60GB of Dropbox storage. Dropbox streams, but you cannot adjust the aspect ratio. It letterboxes my letterbox movies and makes them 1/2 the screen. A no go for video.
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Maybe, but you just killed your battery using this, so the advantage of adding storage (presumably for more media) is denied by the disadvantage of battery life. Seriously, if you really need more local storage, buy another tablet.
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Not even an issue. Batteries die. That's what they do. My N7 came with a charger. Problem solved.

In all fairness (because it WILL be brought up), the user interface on the GoFlex SUCKS. Evidently there is a whole other software you can upload to it from www.hackseagatesatellite.com, but after you figure out the mess of the factory software, it's actually quite simple to use.

Here is the main screen interface
And here is the menu from the Video tab
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To be brief, this might work for you if you don't travel and you don't mind disconnecting from your wireless internet / connecting into this device, but I imagine it's not practical for the majority of us.
Mobility. Convenience. Simplicity. Accessibility.
Those words represent what I expect from a storage solution - Google Drive, Cubby, Skydrive, Dropbox, etc. Nothing to lug around, nothing to bring power cords for, nothing to connect into/disconnect from (practicality says wifi switching would be an annoyance). It's there when you want it, nothing for you to maintain. Nothing to die and you lose all your stuff, nothing to buy and need a warranty for. As simple as an app to open up your storage. Accessible from anywhere that has an internet connection. If you leave that 500GB drive at home, you left all your stuff at home as well.
I've got 25GB with Google Drive, 25GB with SkyDrive, 10GB with Cubby, and 3.75GB with Dropbox. That's almost 65GB of cloud storage - I don't use anywhere NEAR that. Not to mention Google Music stores all my songs (up to 20,000 songs free!) so I don't include my huge collection. 65GB is more than enough, if you want to stream a movie just do it from your computer to your tablet at home. If you want to bring a bunch of movies "with you" on vacation, either copy them to your tablet or throw them up in the cloud. Voila. There's no need to have your whole collection of movies in the cloud, unless you've got a fairly small collection. Additionally, as someone else pointed out, Google Drive offers 100GB for $4.99/mo.

Say you go camping in the woods for a week and there's no WiFi, no cloud around to hear you scream? No access to the cloud in that situation May be plausible for the wi drive.....hopefully there's a power source
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sadly this wouldn't help with storing apps and nandroid backups. I can only hold a couple HD games and nandroids before filling up 8gbs really wish i had the 16gb version!

Thador said:
Say you go camping in the woods for a week and there's no WiFi, no cloud around to hear you scream? No access to the cloud in that situation May be plausible for the wi drive.....hopefully there's a power source
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It has a power source where you can leave it plugged in if you want. It even comes with an auto adapter to plug into your accessory outlet in your car (cigarette lighter plug). It has a rechargeable battery which seems to last around 6 hours on constant streaming. And that's exactly why I bought it was to take in the RV on the weekends for a rainy day, and to take on road trips. It's not like it's my ONLY storage, as I have over 150GB of cloud storage that it's all backed up on. I use cloud storage for files other than media, although I use Google Music, if you're in an area without 3G or better, (and many of us are quite often still) then you're screwed with the cloud. I love the cloud, but it's not ready for mainstream just yet. This device fills that void, and it does it better than anything else I have found. I bought a 64GB microSD card and micro usb cable, rooted my N7, and could only get a few movies on it. That simply didn't satisfy what I was looking for. Sure this device is not for everyone, but for those of us who want to use the N7 as a mini-movie theater, you won't find many things better.

Thador said:
Say you go camping in the woods for a week and there's no WiFi, no cloud around to hear you scream? No access to the cloud in that situation May be plausible for the wi drive.....hopefully there's a power source
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If I'm going camping for a week I'm definitely NOT bringing a tablet with me. Camping is about connecting with the outdoors and enjoying life, not being pampered by electronics. Anyway, assuming its not me who is going camping for a week, they'd likely have known they're going camping and they should've loaded stuff onto their nexus before they left. :angel: Also, as you pointed out no power = no charging anything. Tablet will die, your phone will die, storage drives will die.

I don't camp like a caveman.

yeahmon said:
I don't camp like a caveman.
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Then what you do isn't called camping. If you have showers, and sleep in anything other than a tent, you really aren't camping. Its like saying I'm going on Safari in Africa, and staying in a 900 dollar per night room, and having 5 star Chefs cook your meals under big canopies.

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Then what you do isn't called camping. If you have showers, and sleep in anything other than a tent, you really aren't camping. Its like saying I'm going on Safari in Africa, and staying in a 900 dollar per night room, and having 5 star Chefs cook your meals under big canopies.
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And what's wrong with that? I was a Boy Scout when I was a kid. I slept in a tent many a night without a Seagate GoFlex. I was a poor college kid who ate ramen noodles 3 times a day, and didn't have a Seagate GoFlex. I struggled early in my adult life providing for my wife and children, and I work very hard to achieve where I am at today, and needed something like the Seagate GoFlex. Why can't I enjoy the spoils of life and be happy with my Seagate GoFlex? Anyway, my broken back doesn't like sleeping on the hard ground anymore, and I don't like to stink, and having my own private crapper sure beats the less-than-sanitary public restrooms.
But hey, this thread isn't about me. It's about my Seagate GoFlex.

My camping analogy turned this into a camping thread. My point is if your camping and have no wireless signal 3g or otherwise the cloud is useless.....at that point the drive would be great to have on hand.
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Thador said:
My camping analogy turned this into a camping thread. My point is if your camping and have no wireless signal 3g or otherwise the cloud is useless.....at that point the drive would be great to have on hand.
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Yep, except that brings up my point: If you're using up your battery connecting to the wi-drive, you're going to need to tether it to... something. Hence, you have extra storage, but you just used up the battery to use the storage, and you're going to run out of batteries before you run out of media. It's a catch-22. (BTW- rip your videos at a lower bitrate and this whole conversation would be pointless anyways. Really; it's a 7" screen with a tiny speaker. It won't make that much difference...).
But there is a solution: USB Host dongle + flash drive. Delete stuff on the tablet, transfer your media, detatch. No battery hit, far cheaper (and modular), and no tethering.
Also, camping is camping. I once stayed with people in New York who told me we were going camping. We drove through the woods to their massive 8-room "cabin." Not rustic, but they called it "camping" and to them it was really "getting back to nature." Meh, obviously it's not the same thing for people from the West, but it's just semantics at this point.

It work great with xbmc, and the official satellite software (market)
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they seem like nice hardware, but the overall review is the apps kinda suck. and most people likely won't need 500gb to carry around.
the Kingston wi-drives supposedly have MUCH better apps and reliabiltiy, also much smaller, but not even close to as much space (16-64gb)

corvato said:
they seem like nice hardware, but the overall review is the apps kinda suck. and most people likely won't need 500gb to carry around.
the Kingston wi-drives supposedly have MUCH better apps and reliabiltiy, also much smaller, but not even close to as much space (16-64gb)
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I considered the Kingston WiDrive, but it would have been no different the OTG with 64GB microSD, except that it can share files. It was only like $20 or so cheaper too. The apps are not as bad as everyone makes them sound. I use the drive to stream video and music, and I can do that effortlessly. I guess YMMV depending how you intend to use the device. With 500GB, I can rip nearly ALL of my movies to the HDD, which was the deal maker for me. This is more for my kids, than for adult use and file storage. It works great as a mobile media server.

yeahmon said:
Streaming video does not play nicely with Google Drive. I have a 80GB drive for $20 a year (leftover from docs). It's a no-go for video. I also have 60GB of Dropbox storage. Dropbox streams, but you cannot adjust the aspect ratio. It letterboxes my letterbox movies and makes them 1/2 the screen. A no go for video.
Not even an issue. Batteries die. That's what they do. My N7 came with a charger. Problem solved.
Your right, but I just download a couple and watch and delete. It only takes a few minutes to download. Seems to be the easiest method so far.
Plus I use MX media player and you can pinch and zoom to adjust screen. Works great. Not to mention I can share movies with other people without having to drive over and give them a physical copy.
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How/why do iPods sync so much faster than Android?

Hi, I've owned a few different iPods, still using the latest Classic and have owned a few Androids, using a Sony Xperia. One huge issue (out of a few) regarding music synching for me is that iPods have always synched very quickly to me. I have tried most media players you can think of, a few different Android phones, using many tests and they sync very slowly. I'm talking about 32GB or so of music. If I ask my iPod to do that, it does it in about one third of the time, no joke. How? Is it the cable? Do Apple cables have facilitate higher transfer speeds than others? Is it the software on the iPod and in iTunes?
Even if I just get my phone and iPod to copy the most recent 30 songs I added to my collection, all of my Androids would take a few mins to do that and my iPod would have that done in about 40 seconds. I want to know how!

If your Android phone has an sd card the songs can only transfer as fast as it's class permits. So if you have a class 2 don't expect much.

Ah ha - yes, I forgot about that - SD Class. Do you know of the top of your head what kind of class I may have to get to compare favourably to an iPod?
Not comparing to iPods or anything else, I read lots of the discussions on here and lots of people said go with San Disk class 4, that it beats many higher classes at the 32GB level. Whatever the case, I'd be happy to to experiment. I'm currently using the San Disk 32GB class 4 and it is terrible compared to my iPod Classic.
Also, would fragmentation on a phone SD card likely be a significant problem? Maybe that's another area the iPods win - ROMs aren't switched like a light switch.
I'm looking at audio quality also but transfer speed is the big problem I want fixed on my next purchase. I found this on GSM Arena:
Phone Voice, dB Pink noise/ Music, dB
Sony Xperia Sola 60.9 59.0
HTC One V 66.9 65.3
Apple iPhone 4S 65.8 64.5

Most newer iPods have flash memory which will write much faster than most SD cards ( I don't have numbers off the top of my head but definitely faster than a class 4 sd card).

Delete iTunes. Delete it now. That junk is bloated and disgusting. Jailbreak and copy your files manually.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;

SharpnShiny said:
Ah ha - yes, I forgot about that - SD Class. Do you know of the top of your head what kind of class I may have to get to compare favourably to an iPod?
Not comparing to iPods or anything else, I read lots of the discussions on here and lots of people said go with San Disk class 4, that it beats many higher classes at the 32GB level. Whatever the case, I'd be happy to to experiment. I'm currently using the San Disk 32GB class 4 and it is terrible compared to my iPod Classic.
Also, would fragmentation on a phone SD card likely be a significant problem? Maybe that's another area the iPods win - ROMs aren't switched like a light switch.
I'm looking at audio quality also but transfer speed is the big problem I want fixed on my next purchase. I found this on GSM Arena:
Phone Voice, dB Pink noise/ Music, dB
Sony Xperia Sola 60.9 59.0
HTC One V 66.9 65.3
Apple iPhone 4S 65.8 64.5
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Class 10 SDHC cards should give you much faster speeds.
I like Transcend cards.

jdeoxys said:
Delete iTunes. Delete it now. That junk is bloated and disgusting. Jailbreak and copy your files manually.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;
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Why should he do that if he has an iPod/iPhone? Why should he jailbreak and copy/paste music if he has an application that does it for him? Logic? Where? I agree that iTunes is a piece of highly polished crap, but it does the job.

LordManhattan said:
Why should he do that if he has an iPod/iPhone? Why should he jailbreak and copy/paste music if he has an application that does it for him? Logic? Where? I agree that iTunes is a piece of highly polished crap, but it does the job.
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There are other programs for that.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;

I know, but if he's happy with iTunes, he should be able to use it without getting bashed. I don't like iTunes, but it's his computer and his iThing. We can't force him to use something else.
And that's it for today's episode of "Let's cut this s*** out and concentrate on posting ponies"
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Isnt that because it syncs to one single server owned by apple? Whereas android can sync to any server. Ex: yahoo. Gmail. Ect.
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jdeoxys said:
Delete iTunes. Delete it now. That junk is bloated and disgusting. Jailbreak and copy your files manually.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;
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I pretty sure he/she didn't ask because he/she wanted to hear you blather about how iTunes is crap. If you aren't going to help then please don't post.

I use devices from all manufacturers, so I promise I'm not a fan boy, but I like how iPods and iTunes work. iTunes transfers at least one song or podcast to my iPod every second, while my Android takes 4-5 seconds for each song. I have 32GB of music and at that stage, it gets tedious! I have staring at how long it takes.
I've been looking around and did find some SD cards at class 10 that transfer up to 30mbps, and on eBay that aren't expensive. That looks like the main issue (I think), with Android the bottleneck is SD class i.e. performance. :good:
Well, I just contacted my phone manufacturer and they said their phones have been tested on class 2 and class 4 SD cards. She advised me 'not to purchase a class 10 as it will likely not work with any of their phones'. There must be someone around who has tested this.

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I use devices from all manufacturers, so I promise I'm not a fan boy, but I like how iPods and iTunes work. iTunes transfers at least one song or podcast to my iPod every second, while my Android takes 4-5 seconds for each song. I have 32GB of music and at that stage, it gets tedious! I have staring at how long it takes.
I've been looking around and did find some SD cards at class 10 that transfer up to 30mbps, and on eBay that aren't expensive. That looks like the main issue (I think), with Android the bottleneck is SD class i.e. performance. :good:
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That's probably (at least partly) all the GED since the Nexus S have had nand memory instead of SD.

veeman said:
I pretty sure he/she didn't ask because he/she wanted to hear you blather about how iTunes is crap. If you aren't going to help then please don't post.
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I pretty sure he/she didn't ask because he/she wanted to hear you blather about how someone's post is crap. If you aren't going to help then please don't post.
Also, that is helping.

My only issue would be a syncing program that wipes all your playlists created on the device, or did they finally fix that foolishness?

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My only issue would be a syncing program that wipes all your playlists created on the device, or did they finally fix that foolishness?
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Hmm I've been testing Sony's version of iTunes called Media Go for over a year now. It doesn't wipe playlists, instead, it doesn't update my favourite music playlists, even if I delete and resync etc.

To me seems about the same speed, but transferring videos or movies, iPods syncs are much slower and iTunes seems to almost crash at first :/
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I just wanted to post an update on my experience of this. I have been focussing on the cable and SD class too. I just got my new phone today and it transfers a LOT faster than my previous one. I wonder is this related to the chipset or CPU? My previous phone had 1Ghz single core Scorpion, my new one has dual core 1Ghz Cortex A5. I'm looking at all the pieces and the biggest difference is the phone CPU so perhaps that allows a performance boost with transfer? I didn't expect a boost in transfer speed, but it's unmistakable! :fingers-crossed:

m1l4droid said:
Hey I guess we could help better if we knew the phone model as well.
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Previous phone: Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini (1Ghz Snapdragon, 512 RAM)
New phone: Sony Xperia Sola (1Ghz dual core A5 Cortex, 512 RAM)
Huge transfer boost on the Sola. :laugh:

SharpnShiny said:
Hi, I've owned a few different iPods, still using the latest Classic and have owned a few Androids, using a Sony Xperia. One huge issue (out of a few) regarding music synching for me is that iPods have always synched very quickly to me. I have tried most media players you can think of, a few different Android phones, using many tests and they sync very slowly. I'm talking about 32GB or so of music. If I ask my iPod to do that, it does it in about one third of the time, no joke. How? Is it the cable? Do Apple cables have facilitate higher transfer speeds than others? Is it the software on the iPod and in iTunes?
Even if I just get my phone and iPod to copy the most recent 30 songs I added to my collection, all of my Androids would take a few mins to do that and my iPod would have that done in about 40 seconds. I want to know how!
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They sync fast coz they have nothing to sync
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Poll: what size storage do you need?

Completely discounting price, and discounting your investment in how much you have wanted this phone for ages (like everyone else) - realistically, what size storage do you NEED on this phone, to keep you happy for however long you will own the phone?
Note - this is not a "what size do you wish you could get" or "what size can you fit into and make work with adjustments" poll - it's a "what size do you really need?" poll.

I think that 16gb is really the sweet spot right now. If you use Google like they want you too then you don't really need much more.

I need 16 GB. I'd much prefer 32.

If we had unlimited data I would use Good Drive, Google music, and all the other streaming/cloud services. However since data usage is limited we require larger amounts of storage.

i only need 8 gb but i will buy the 16 gb version because of price stability (resale value).

Ace42 said:
If we had unlimited data I would use Good Drive, Google music, and all the other streaming/cloud services. However since data usage is limited we require larger amounts of storage.
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this.
I would like 64gb to store all photos and videos without need to upload.
And a lot of games.
I had a 32gb iphone that was always full

I say 32gb is really a good spot. You figure with 16gb you have what...13-12ish for yourself. If i put my small music collection, approx 7gb on there, you get about 5 for other things. I never put movies on mine, but some do. That takes up a lot. I purchase a lot of games and try different apps, so having more than a handful of GB for some of these games (some are getting into the 1gb-1.5gb range) is not enough.

I feel you should throw in "would like more but 16 is fine" cause for me, I would do more with the storage the more of it I had, but with 16gb I can make due by not throwing all my music on it and also by uploading my pictures to the cloud everyday when I get home (omg wait, does anyone know if there's a way I could set up an NFC tag task to do this?? ) and by not having apps i almost never use on it

It's funny - I was thinking, man, who can live with just 8GB's? It's got to be at least 16GB. And then I went and actually looked at my usage on my 16GB Nexus S. I was surprised to see that I'm using only 4.5GB's of space. Apparently I could get by just fine on 8GB. I'll probably still go for the 16GB version though.

32GB. I have 20GB of music which I listen to nearly all of it.
I am still going to get the N4 and just get unlimited data. Here in the UK its only another £2.90 a month which is nothing

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I feel you should throw in "would like more but 16 is fine" cause for me, I would do more with the storage the more of it I had, but with 16gb I can make due by not throwing all my music on it and also by uploading my pictures to the cloud everyday when I get home (omg wait, does anyone know if there's a way I could set up an NFC tag task to do this?? ) and by not having apps i almost never use on it
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This counts as "making adjustments". If you're changing the way you use it, then you are making yourself fit the device rather than having a device that fits you. If you're filling up 16GB now, then in my opinion you need 32GB. That's what this poll is about, it's not "which of what's been offered can you make do with" it''s "what do you really need".

having an 8gb=FAL..
no 32gb-FAIL

16Gb + 16Gb SD

setspeed said:
This counts as "making adjustments". If you're changing the way you use it, then you are making yourself fit the device rather than having a device that fits you. If you're filling up 16GB now, then in my opinion you need 32GB. That's what this poll is about, it's not "which of what's been offered can you make do with" it''s "what do you really need".
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The thing is though that I don't explicitly need 32 gb but if it were available i'd fill it with stuff that I don't actually really need, I don't need to have any music on this, I have an ipod, I don't need to keep all my pics on it, I have 120gb of home internet, its less that I have to adapt to work with 16 gb as much as i would just make use of more

The only reason I wanted an SD card is to minimize the amount of transfer I would have to do when it comes to roms, kernels, radios, backups, etc. If I simply use the cloud for that stuff and minimize what I "need" to carry on my phone, 16GB is more than I know what to do with.
I mentioned it in another thread, my phone is just a communication device. I have a 1GB/mo data plan with Telus and I barely reach 700MB. All I do on data is stream radio(TuneIn)/music(Grooveshark) for 15 minutes each way walking to and from work. The rest of my phone usage is on wifi. I simply can't play games or watch movies on my phone, the screen is just too small to be enjoyable. So data doesn't hinder me in a way to use more storage.
My current storage use:
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Total Space 11.25GB
1.69GB Apps
144MB Pictures, Videos
64KB Audio
265MB Downloads
7.13GB Available
Once I really got down to the nitty gritty, I got over the microSD really quick and don't need any more built in.

roughavoc said:
32GB. I have 20GB of music which I listen to nearly all of it.
I am still going to get the N4 and just get unlimited data. Here in the UK its only another £2.90 a month which is nothing
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all my music is in google music
I pay £10 a month to giffgaff (soon to be £12-odd) for unlimited data.
Sadly, I still have a 32GB card in my current phone of which 20GB is used

Most, if not all, of my storage goes to music, and at any given time I use no more than 9gb (I have a larger library, but I only transfer stuff that I'll listen to on a regular basis). Videos occupy most of the rest, and then some games (photos go straight to my Dropbox). 16gb will definitely suffice.

Just an sd card slot. Then the whole issue disappears.

The strength of opinion regarding storage space is amazing. Google have hit an amazing price point which I think they need a big pat on the back for, but I just wish they had created some bigger storage capacity options....maybe a 64 gig model for £100 more? That would still be a great price compared to the competition
It would be really interesting to know how many people use all the features of their smartphone. For example, I use mine as a kind of media pc replacement. With an MHL cable and a bluetooth keyboard with a built in mouse it rocks. My main tv is plugged into my amplifier so movies, music and games sound great - I can't believe what my little HTC Sensation is capable of. It's really nice having a lot of content on my phone so I can play what I want, when I want, where I want. Sure, if phone networks had better coverage where I live and data was cheaper I would happily use the cloud, but that's not an option for a lot of people right now. It would be great if I could put all my music (40 gigs - which is modest for someone of my age), a few tv shows, films and all my photos from my travels on one device so it's all there, all the time. And being able to add more would be great. Sadly my 64 gig card is already full, though a big chunk of that is taken up by game data (Nova 3 is 3GB alone). I had no idea I'd be playing games so much on my phone when I got it either, lol.
None of this is meant to offend anyone, it's just my humble opinion based on my usage habits.
I have my fingers crossed Google will launch more generous storage options next year.

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16Gb + 16Gb SD
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strumcat said:
Just an sd card slot. Then the whole issue disappears.
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Until you run out of room because the phone is only allocated for 2GB of apps... I have that issue with my Skyrocket, so I've got a Galaxy Nexus now. The SD slot is helpful for music and pictures, that's about it unfortunately.

No more SD card slot.

I just want to say that google will never make SD card slot for any of their Nexus device, because that way they can make money off Google drive and their cloud services, so stop complain about no SD card slots. So Nexus 5 NO SD CARD SLOTS.

Never say never bro
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Unless Google take away Google drive and stop cloud services. But they won't because they want to make money.
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Good. I don't need or want one. It doesn't have as much to do with Google's cloud services as it does paying Microsoft $7 for every phone sold with a SD card slot. Why would Google actively support Microsoft?

RealiZms said:
Good. I don't need or want one. It doesn't have as much to do with Google's cloud services as it does paying Microsoft $7 for every phone sold with a SD card slot. Why would Google actively support Microsoft?
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Could you please link something which could prove that any of this is true, and not a bunch of BS? I'm not trying to be a jerk, just looking for info.

OneChaos said:
Could you please link something which could prove that any of this is true, and not a bunch of BS? I'm not trying to be a jerk, just looking for info.
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You're not paying me by the hour. Google is your friend and it's not hard to find. And you're not looking for info. You're telling me to :good:

What in the world? Google just chooses not to have SD card slots for performance issues and Ofcourse the ever obvious cloud storage they've been trying to get people into
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Misledz said:
What in the world? Google just chooses not to have SD card slots for performance issues and Ofcourse the ever obvious cloud storage they've been trying to get people into
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Yea...makes sense because Google's Drive is the only cloud storage out there? No. More people use Box and a few others. Besides how lucrative of a business is cloud storage? Performance issues aside it has more to do with not supporting a direct competitor.

RealiZms said:
Yea...makes sense because Google's Drive is the only cloud storage out there? No. More people use Box and a few others. Besides how lucrative of a business is cloud storage? Performance issues aside it has more to do with not supporting a direct competitor.
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Frankly i don't think they're trying to compete over cloud storage but they have integrated alot of features that make Drive an awesome cloud storage. Word processing, private sharing and such. Infact I use Dropbox alot but I'll admit Google always knows how to do it better. I feel the whole candy picked features are to promote the use of drive as an all rounder, which is basically what's happening lol
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Misledz said:
Frankly i don't think they're trying to compete over cloud storage but they have integrated alot of features that make Drive an awesome cloud storage. Word processing, private sharing and such. Infact I use Dropbox alot but I'll admit Google always knows how to do it better. I feel the whole candy picked features are to promote the use of drive as an all rounder, which is basically what's happening lol
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Drive is nice but it's not a lucrative money making machine. It's cloud storage. Now imagine every phone sold with a MicroSD card slot. Now imagine handing Microsoft $7 for every phone sold with a micro SD card slot. Sure most OEMs don't care. But when it comes to direct competitors like Apple and Google it's a matter of business ethics.

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Drive is nice but it's not a lucrative money making machine. It's cloud storage. Now imagine every phone sold with a MicroSD card slot. Now imagine handing Microsoft $7 for every phone sold with a micro SD card slot. Sure most OEMs don't care. But when it comes to direct competitors like Apple and Google it's a matter of business ethics.
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While all that does make sense, it still doesn't make sense as to why they build something as preposterous as an 8GB Internal, why not set the bar from 16-32, what is that? A storage for ants? Like seriously apps are all HD, contents are all downloadable and scale per update, the OS already eats up 2GB and core files about 500MB which leaves you to your nandroid and backups which take roughly 500-1024MB and it doesn't make sense at all.
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Nevermind, guess we're all f!#kd
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-will-make-34-billion-from-android-in-2013
I could've sworn the patent in question was for MicroSD though

If you would have made this thread last year when people were still making threads about lack of microSD card, I would have directed you to post here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1964080
But since that thread has long been closed, maybe you can just search it for "sd" and "cloud" and see that these conversations have already been had.
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RealiZms said:
Good. I don't need or want one. It doesn't have as much to do with Google's cloud services as it does paying Microsoft $7 for every phone sold with a SD card slot. Why would Google actively support Microsoft?
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Microsoft has there hands in everything. Wouldn't surprise me if they are silent partners in Google, they own 40% apple awhile ago
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Thanks captain obvious.
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While all that does make sense, it still doesn't make sense as to why they build something as preposterous as an 8GB Internal, why not set the bar from 16-32, what is that? A storage for ants? Like seriously apps are all HD, contents are all downloadable and scale per update, the OS already eats up 2GB and core files about 500MB which leaves you to your nandroid and backups which take roughly 500-1024MB and it doesn't make sense at all.
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Actually, the choice made sense to me. Because not everyone needs that much storage. When I bought the N4 I looked at what I actually had been storing on my old phone. Mostly it was pictures. Raw images, unedited, unsorted, many of which would be deleted later when I moved them to my computer and winnowed them.
Clean install of 4.3, I had 5gb available. After setting up 40 apps and doing a nandroid backup I had 3+gb available. I've taken several dozen photos and I still have 3+gb available - because I found I could push them off my phone to my home network server using the foldersync app. I stream music from my server or Play. I can't think of anything meaningful or useful to put in those 3gb.
Everyone's needs differ of course but local storage that is not needed and just adds expense makes no sense to me. my $0.02

Let's not bash the OP, whilst we've all come to terms with our loss, he's still at the stage of anger in the grieving process. Heads up, the bargaining stage is next
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Actually, the choice made sense to me. Because not everyone needs that much storage. When I bought the N4 I looked at what I actually had been storing on my old phone. Mostly it was pictures. Raw images, unedited, unsorted, many of which would be deleted later when I moved them to my computer and winnowed them.
Clean install of 4.3, I had 5gb available. After setting up 40 apps and doing a nandroid backup I had 3+gb available. I've taken several dozen photos and I still have 3+gb available - because I found I could push them off my phone to my home network server using the foldersync app. I stream music from my server or Play. I can't think of anything meaningful or useful to put in those 3gb.
Everyone's needs differ of course but local storage that is not needed and just adds expense makes no sense to me. my $0.02
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Well, I have no issue with no SD card... If they had all devices with 32/64gb space. I have a 16gb gnex, nexus 4, and a 7, with all my music and apps on, with only one game at a time, I have 2gb free, I rely on the cloud for most of my files and videos, but the second they put out a 64gb nexus phone, even if it was 600$ , I would buy it
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Plex server but for documents?

Hi all!
Can anyone tell me if there is there such as thing like a Plex server but for documents? Where I can view my PDFs, word docs, sheets etc from anywhere?
I want to keep my files locally I don't want to upload anything to the cloud. I would like it to set it up just like plex. I want to be able to organize in a similar way, and to be able to view them on click.
TY!

Not sure if that actually applies to your needs, could be overkill, but how about Next Cloud:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextcloud
https://alternativeto.net/software/nextcloud/about/
Most people probably use a provider for it but you could also run it yourself. If you want to try it beforehand, tab.digital offers accounts with 8GB for free:
https://tab.digital/
Even though I'd like to set it up myself in the long run and keep files locally only, just like you said, DIY comes with two nagging disadvantages:
1. You need to keep a server running (with permanent connection to the outside world)
2. You and only you are responsible for setting it up and keeping it up to date.

Hey Sigmund! TY so much for answering
I am going to give this a go. I did see a post on reddit and someone also mentioning NextCloud.
I was hoping for something for like an installer and done but I will give it a go. Well, let me try it first on tab.digital
Big thanks really! Much appreciated
Ken

Do you want to use documents inside a local network or over the internet ?

karandpr said:
Do you want to use documents inside a local network or over the internet ?
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Hey!
Both
If something like Plex existed for docs, that would be awesome

KenPino said:
installer
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Well, yes, of course:
https://nextcloud.com/install/#install-clients
However, this would be just a client and as such you still need a server, either your own or an "official" one like from tabdigital
Speaking of tabdigital, there are other providers with free plans:
https://nextcloud.com/sign-up/
Due to the addictive nature of next cloud, I don't think it matters much for the beginning where you get started (for me, greedy as I am, the 8GB was way too intriguing) - in the end you end up with more
Perhaps something else like OwnCloud could work for you as well but I cannot say much about it (it lost out in my personal shoot out, don't remember exactly why but I think it was something regarding open source).
Here be even more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_synchronization_software
For simple mirroring syncthing might be good enough (for example to keep shadow copies of your files on your router's USB-stick):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncthing
(since you mentioned plex, I guess that wouldn't be good enough for you)
PS: Oh, and let us know how you like it!
Edit: Oi! Forgot one thing - as for "office" like word etc, it can get kinda complicated because often it's only available in paid accounts.

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Both
If something like Plex existed for docs, that would be awesome
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You can get a cloud host like digital ocean / linode /ovh and setup a basic FTP server. (it's 5-6$ a month for 40GB )
Then use something like Fx Explorer or file explorer to download and upload files.
Or Just get a pair of external hard drives.
They work with far fewer hassles and are much more robust.
As long as you maintain them regularly.

Thank you both for your replies.
Seems the closest I will find is NextCloud: I played around with it for a bit and it seems that it could do the trick in the end

@KenPino Welcome
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it's 5-6$ a month for 40GB
Or Just get a pair of external hard drives.
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Hmm, I have currently 80GB for about 60€/a (5€/month) for Next Cloud.
Pro: I don't have to take care of it myself
Contra: It does only Next Cloud.
Alternative: Own little server at home... Since you mentioned external drives, may I ask if and how you would do it? Can't imagine you would let run your machine/drives all day and night long?

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@KenPino Welcome
Hmm, I have currently 80GB for about 60€/a (5€/month) for Next Cloud.
Pro: I don't have to take care of it myself
Contra: It does only Next Cloud.
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The problem is data centers are either very easy to maintain or very hard. Suddenly you can have a data center being sold off to big vendor or just shutting down.
Sometimes countries create laws that make running a data center a hassle. And they would rather bailout than maintain.
IMO , if you have data > 20 GB, then local backups are the safest way to go.
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Can't imagine you would let run your machine/drives all day and night long?
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Alternative: Own little server at home... Since you mentioned external drives, may I ask if and how you would do it? Can't imagine you would let run your machine/drives all day and night long?
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Memes apart. Storage is cheap.
SD cards, USB drives. and few external drives.
The important stuff is backed up on 2+ storage options.
SD cards can be used on phones and PC.
Got 2x 256 GB USB drives which act as storage bridge docs and media.
For 2TB+ external drives, I have a cable but I usually use the USB OTG as a medium of transfer. I would not like my phone's USB slot to be fried.
Most PCs are equipped with office suites but I have LibreOffice portable inside the drive for editing.
Oh, and I have one USB drive which is also a portable Linux drive (Linux mint) so I have an operating system for x86 machines.
Phones & Tabs should have a doc reader/office suite and stuff like that,
Cloud and network solutions are good IF you have or travel in places with good connectivity.
Portable storage is convenient for everything else. And you retain ownership of files.

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Memes apart. Storage is cheap.
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Cloud and network solutions are good IF you have or travel in places with good connectivity.
Portable storage is convenient for everything else. And you retain ownership of files.
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Oh, I see. Got it wrong there:
(indeed, memes are fun!)
I thought you meant having such network services like nextcloud running on external drives but you meant backups in general.
Yeah, I am covered: Syncthing puts stuff to my computer when charging (mostly fotos), Vorta puts this and other things (like ~) elsewhere. And finally I put those once a month on an external SSD (but SATA not USB).
If something needs to go back to the phone than it goes via a USB-OTG or syncthing.
Quite frankly, I despised online storage for the longest time but it does have it merits sometimes, and NextCloud seemed to be the best choice.
Next step, my own server at my own home... just need to figure out something cheap, efficient but powerful enough. Neither router nor raspberry would be good enough, so probably some ITX with AM4, should be possible to stay within 15-25W.

SigmundDroid said:
Oh, I see. Got it wrong there:
(indeed, memes are fun!)
I thought you meant having such network services like nextcloud running on external drives but you meant backups in general.
Yeah, I am covered: Syncthing puts stuff to my computer when charging (mostly fotos), Vorta puts this and other things (like ~) elsewhere. And finally I put those once a month on an external SSD (but SATA not USB).
If something needs to go back to the phone than it goes via a USB-OTG or syncthing.
Quite frankly, I despised online storage for the longest time but it does have it merits sometimes, and NextCloud seemed to be the best choice.
Next step, my own server at my own home... just need to figure out something cheap, efficient but powerful enough. Neither router nor raspberry would be good enough, so probably some ITX with AM4, should be possible to stay within 15-25W.
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I have toyed with creating a portable system with Raspberry Pi or an old android phone. But the battery is the issue in both cases.
File servers don't take much space or resources. A raspi should be able to service at the very least 100 concurrent users.
I have an old laptop which I will be tinkering around to see if it works as some sort of backup device.

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old laptop
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Dang! That's a good idea, except for lacking big drives...
https://www.instructables.com/Using-a-full-sized-HDD-in-a-Laptop/
OK, this is maybe not a good idea but I was pretty surprised to find someone actually doing it.
Still, I really like the laptop idea! Convenient, easy and with builtin screen! Gotta check for any small laptops with passive cooling and 2.5" drive.

SigmundDroid said:
Dang! That's a good idea, except for lacking big drives...
https://www.instructables.com/Using-a-full-sized-HDD-in-a-Laptop/
OK, this is maybe not a good idea but I was pretty surprised to find someone actually doing it.
Still, I really like the laptop idea! Convenient, easy and with builtin screen! Gotta check for any small laptops with passive cooling and 2.5" drive.
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You can get laptop or desktop caddies.
I had a system like this(or worse.), a PATA caddy + power unit.
Man this makes want to hack around right now