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Vista will control you!!!

I read some article about Vista that delaying me to bought it:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#functionality
What do you thing?

cornelius said:
I read some article about Vista that delaying me to bought it:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#functionality
What do you thing?
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I think just 1 thing:
DON'T BUY VISTA.....and if anyone give you Vista as a gift then throw them back or sell them away
if u like Windows, then Windows XP is the only way to stay in peace...
but i advise that Vista is only a hole...a hole in performances, a hole in our wallett (if u buy vista premium, a big hole for nothing) and a big hole in personal security...i think this is not a OS but a rootkit....

Have you seen this thread?
There is a link there to a podcast about vista. What all the security will do to speed and stability of your system.
My conclusion:
If the consumers are smart enough Vista will die.
Also:
XP and other windows versions owe their popularity in large part to the fact that there are plenty of cracked versions.
If vista doesn't get cracked (mainly cause no one bothers to put in the effort) it won't gain popularity.

lol... Vista was cracked before it was released! I agree though, I've got it installed and it's just not worth it at all... I use pc mainly for creating audio and Vista's put a huge dent in audio processing. My very expensive professional soundcard is pretty much useless as M$ now say that they've decided the way everyone's been routing sound to cards is now not in their plans and they'd like Vista to take on the responsibility - yeah, well, it's pretty poor Bill... maybe you should leave this kinda stuff up to the professionals???!!!
It's all down to Vista's supposed "Security Features", but I've read a lot of reports outlining the hole's in it, basically saying it's completely meaningless. It causes problems with Networking, Audio, and performance that just can't be justified. He's gone and released it WAY before it's ready, same as always. Users will be inundated with updates until finally it starts working like XP now does, by which time he'll have another official part-release ready on the market.
Stay clear of Vista for now if you use your PC for anything more than word processing
Anything M$ related check out http://www.mydigitallife.info/ Excellent site!
P.S.... a guy on this forum has as his signature ""Microsoft". Nice of Bill to name the company after his manhood". Thought that was quite apt

Buy a Mac and all of your security issues are solved.

Windowsrookie said:
Buy a Mac and all of your security issues are solved.
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A Mac couldn't support my needs even if it wanted to

hmmmmmm
Windowsrookie said:
Buy a Mac and all of your security issues are solved.
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Why is it that one of the first things that happens when someone warns about a bug in an update to something pc related, someone says get a Mac.. or Stick to Linux??
no to kick off a huge flamer between PC's, Macs & Linux freaks.. however..
Its getting old...

Juggles said:
Why is it that one of the first things that happens when someone warns about a bug in an update to something pc related, someone says get a Mac.. or Stick to Linux??
no to kick off a huge flamer between PC's, Macs & Linux freaks.. however..
Its getting old...
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I love these arguments as I use and like all three

Midget_1990 said:
I love these arguments as I use and like all three
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ROFL That's just greedy...

Macs are just as misleading!
Windowsrookie said:
Buy a Mac and all of your security issues are solved.
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The ad on tv with the mac and pc is misleading and I'm ticked. I tried to replace a HD on an iBook... wow! Good thing I have a COMPUTER SCIENCE degree. 2.5 hours just to get to the hard drive. Why? because they want more money from you.
Anyway, I am actually pretty excited about getting vista for one of my computers.

texasaggie1 said:
The ad on tv with the mac and pc is misleading and I'm ticked. I tried to replace a HD on an iBook... wow! Good thing I have a COMPUTER SCIENCE degree. 2.5 hours just to get to the hard drive. Why? because they want more money from you.
Anyway, I am actually pretty excited about getting vista for one of my computers.
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I am not sure what ad it is you are referring to, and I don't mean to sound rood but is the time it takes to replace a part relay the driving consideration in what type of computer to get?
And even if so what does that have to do with the OS?
I may not have a degree but I open my PC every 6 month or so, if not to add / change component then just to dust it out and given the amount of peripherals connected to it, it can take 10 minutes just to unplug and then plug back all the cables (two of the big non USB annoyances are UPS status and capture card IR that use serial connectors).
At any rate, I understand the whole "I am switching to Mac / Linux etc." rants. And sorry I don't want to insult anybody but lets face it: in most cases you're just gonna stick with your XP box because getting used to a new OS is not a simple matter. (We have a MAC, don't remember specific model, at work and I got to play with it a couple of times - shortage of mouse buttons drove me crazy How can you live without 'right click'???)
But seriously you may not be switching right now but the point of it all is that there are viable (if not as popular) alternatives to M$ crap regardless of hardware architecture and that is a very comforting thought.
P.S. Here is what I can tell you about my experience with Vista:
We put a Beta on one of the stations at work (it came with our MSDN subscription). The Pentium 4 2.4GHz 258 MB machine ran at a tolerable speed (though I now know it wasn't quite up to specs for this OS), but after a week we needed it for doing real work so it was formatted back to XP.

I have tested on AthlonXP 2500+, 1 Gb ram DDR 400 MHz, Geforce FX5600 Ultra, and after a week of testing I've determined that it works 2-3 times slower than XP, i will not sacrifice performance over crappy security, silly GUI effects and poor compatiblity

My mother in law (a non technical person) just bought a new laptop pre loaded with vista. She complained that it works much worse than her old xp laptop and decided to just take it back for a refund.
I hope the same thing happens a million times and all those refunds will out weight the gains they are hoping for in cornering the drm video market.
The evil in vista is just a sign of the wider decay in American civil liberties. I normally would not care but now thanks to America pushing wipo onto Australia in order to get a trade deal, all that American evil is heading my way.
I do not think copyright crimes should be criminal offenses. Vista, DRM, DMCA, RIAA and so call anti terror laws are crushing ordinary people. They use copyright as a door into peoples lives to persecute them for any other thing they can find along the way.
I would like to see an open source p2p searchable anonymous adhoc wireless network program. That way free people around the world could create and grow an alternate network to rival the internet that no one could use to slam someone in jail. Each users copy of the program could be compiled with a unique identifier that lets it be addressed over the network but in no way ties in to their real identity. If enough people used it it could work, some with enough protection could set up gateways into the real internet to join the two networks.
This may sound stupid now but IMO lack of anonymity in ip based networks will eventually spell the end of them.
what kind of world do we live in where a person needs to run oftware from an encrypted volume within a virtual pc on a pc with ip blocking software and software and hardware firewalls just to feel that big brother won't be able to get at your stuff when they secretly break into your house and ransack it while your at work (as they are allowed to do in Aus under anti terror laws). Seriously!

xplode said:
I have tested on AthlonXP 2500+, 1 Gb ram DDR 400 MHz, Geforce FX5600 Ultra, and after a week of testing I've determined that it works 2-3 times slower than XP, i will not sacrifice performance over crappy security, silly GUI effects and poor compatiblity
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lol... freaky! I've got the same specs just another .5 Gb of RAM. I've actually gone back to XP too.
I think Vista has great potential overall, but it's just not ready... give it a year and people will be raving about it (by then it should have two or three service packs )

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Windowsrookie said:
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How about os2

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vista on my old C64
to break his rock-solid security

May be it's not time for go to VISTA, wait for SP maybe 6th will fix this, and I tested it with Vista on PC, core 2 duo (errr forgot the speed coz it's office PC), than other PC with same spec run on XP, who the XP performance far better...

Weird, I have 3 machines running Windows Vista Ultimate and are working great, 1 Dell Inspiron(Intel Centrino, 1GB ram), 1 Sony VAIO(Pentium 4 512Mb ram) and 1 PC (AMD, 1Gb ram), all of you, did you change the performance in control panel? Maybe that is your slow Vista....All my drivers are OK...
And all are Vista Cra**ed.....

Speaking of drivers... Microsoft have recommended to device manufacturers/driver writers to avoid creating unified device drivers while at the same time shipping vista with unified drivers. What hypocrisy. They reserve the right to automatically revoke your drivers at any time, with the potential of bricking your machine but don't even follow their own guidelines set out to avoid large scale simultaneous revocations.
One reason it runs slow is that once every millisecond (1000th of a second) vista checks every component to see if it is secure (for drm). This is a lot to be doing on a permanent basis. Its not the only reason it runs slow, because vista is over time learning the patterns of usage for an individual it starts to try and keep a lot of stuff loaded in memory. This is not a bad thing but unless you have 3-4 gig it dose not function as well leading to a slow down.
I just don't like the direction all this drm is going. For me it has little to do with piracy and more to do with freedom. I do not want to be living in a time where a book can be revoked so that it can no longer be read because a government or dictator has decided to use drm to control public opinion. I want to live in a time where competition decides what survives in the market place and not drm/dmca monopolies.
XP works very well there is no reason to change (to vista).

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OdeeanRDeathshead said:
Speaking of drivers... Microsoft have recommended to device manufacturers/driver writers to avoid creating unified device drivers while at the same time shipping vista with unified drivers. What hypocrisy. They reserve the right to automatically revoke your drivers at any time, with the potential of bricking your machine but don't even follow their own guidelines set out to avoid large scale simultaneous revocations.
One reason it runs slow is that once every millisecond (1000th of a second) vista checks every component to see if it is secure (for drm). This is a lot to be doing on a permanent basis. Its not the only reason it runs slow, because vista is over time learning the patterns of usage for an individual it starts to try and keep a lot of stuff loaded in memory. This is not a bad thing but unless you have 3-4 gig it dose not function as well leading to a slow down.
I just don't like the direction all this drm is going. For me it has little to do with piracy and more to do with freedom. I do not want to be living in a time where a book can be revoked so that it can no longer be read because a government or dictator has decided to use drm to control public opinion. I want to live in a time where competition decides what survives in the market place and not drm/dmca monopolies.
XP works very well there is no reason to change (to vista).
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DRM important but it doesn't mean lock our freedom to get info etc, and ofcource they souldn't control costumer!!!!

Its a hit, but not a home run

Just got my nexis7. Jelly bean appears to be much faster than my other tablet running gingerbread or my smart phone. Yes, controls are different, but that was somewhat expected. Did not take long to figure it out and now it is easy.
I got the 16g model and very glad I did. The absolute biggest error ASUS made was not including a micro SD storage card. Yes, you can hook the unit to a laptop to upload/download ' but you are limited to what you have with you.
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.

Catch22! said:
The absolute biggest error ASUS made was not including a micro SD storage card. Yes, you can hook the unit to a laptop to upload/download ' but you are limited to what you have with you.
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
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Working towards a price point goal causes these things to happen. How popular and it seems hack friendly may end up with an application or hardware hack to achieve external memory cards.
Then of course you have the whole cloud behind you. This is a point that Google is trying to push us with this device, use it for your day-to-day things and let us (google) store it all for you on our computers. I've been using cloud services for my Music and Videos for a number of months now, I would find it hard to return to just what I had on my own media after that convenience (for me, maybe not every but for me it's a boon).
Who knows, exciting times.
Putting a positive spin on it, for those using this as an EReader every gram of weight pared off makes long reading sessions better, not adding those 10-15 grams of interface will help there... ok, ok, it's a long stretch.

Purchased the 16GB version and after installing all my games (Max Payne, GTA, Nova3, etc) I still have about 8 GB left. No issues with storage here, especially since I use the cloud for all my music (Saves about 4 or so GB). Couldn't be happier with this device after owning a Transformer and GTab 2 7". Home run in my book.

I wish they sold 8gb at the store, I'd got 8gb version than 16gb version.
16 GB would be handy, but I realized I rarely use any space since everything I do is available to stream and where I don't have WiFi access either I tether to Galaxy Nexus or just use Galaxy Nexus...
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Catch22! said:
Just got my nexis7. Jelly bean appears to be much faster than my other tablet running gingerbread or my smart phone. Yes, controls are different, but that was somewhat expected. Did not take long to figure it out and now it is easy.
I got the 16g model and very glad I did. The absolute biggest error ASUS made was not including a micro SD storage card. Yes, you can hook the unit to a laptop to upload/download ' but you are limited to what you have with you.
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
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Yea..I dunno. I wish they would have included an SD card slot just so I wouldn't have to read people complaining about it. If I truly need more than the fourteen or so gigs, I'll get me some Stickmount and my 32BG flash drive and go to town.

rlh445 said:
Yea..I dunno. I wish they would have included an SD card slot just so I wouldn't have to read people complaining about it. If I truly need more than the fourteen or so gigs, I'll get me some Stickmount and my 32BG flash drive and go to town.
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This.
While I agree that an external SD card would be useful, the lack of one is not the end of the world. 16GB should be more then enough space to hold movies/music/games for a long trip (even without Wi-Fi). Once you get to a place with Internet, you can replace your current content with more. And by using the OTG USB trick, you can still attach external sources of data. I wouldn't want to keep it plugged in for long periods of time personally, but you can delete/move/copy things back and forth to "reload" more content on your tablet.

Catch22! said:
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
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They are already barely breaking even as it is selling a $199 quad core tablet. Adding anything more, and this price would not be possible. If there's a a better $200 tablet, please show it to me. Look at all those people that paid $200 for a Kindle, and what they got for the money.
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phonic said:
... Once you get to a place with Internet ...
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This is what it's coming down to. I am already always connected through WiFi hotspot in my phone while I'm in transit. At home and work I have WiFi. As a result I've move to the cloud. Pandora, Sony Music Unlimited (Which is fantastic) and my ISPs movie service, Google Movies and Sony Movies filling in my video needs.
I understand that everyone is not me and some people can't turn their phones into hotspots, or don't have the data allowance, but we are moving that way.
The device can do a card I would say, the original version before Google cut it down from $250 to $199 had the card, HDMI and rear camera and more memory. Despite that cut down the circuit board in the Nexus 7 is still labelled as a ME370T, check the iFixit to see.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/28/3124041/asus-me370t-nexus-7-transformation-google-nvidia
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/3
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This part is probably the difference, right side missing. Only left ear to the middle usb, seems it would need middle usb to the right card slot so the entire strip goes over the bottom of the tablet. The frame (grey part with the stamp 120504 in this picture) looks to have space and the mounting reinforcement for a card slot on the right bottom, the extra needed wires seem to be in the ribbon, logically it would seem that function would go to the same part of the MB as the USB... maybe.

I am so glad I got the 8gb instead of the 16gb. I dont need or want the storage and with USB on the go I *would* be set either way. I much prefer the low cost. The days of hoarding data (Movies, TV Shows, Music) is a thing of the past for me. Its kind of like thumb drives, I used to always carry one with me on my key chain and I realized a year ago that this practice was already outdated thanks to dropbox.
And what a relief too, I dont have to wonder if my music folders are all named correctly or if they all have the album art. Its all taken care of by netflix, pandora, picasa and google music.
Google posted the specs of this device long before we bought it. The told us what would be included and what would be excluded. Based on this list it seemed that this was a perfect device for me. Thats why I purchased one. I am glad I did. My Ipad2 can collect dust now.
Mine has been all loaded up since Tuesday and it is actually only 5GB +/- not 8. Still a home run for me.....

What? With 32gb Dropbox, 50gb box, 25gb skydrive and 5gb Google Drive? I think I have plenty
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Nothing yet apart from THAT email!

RBFesquire said:
What? With 32gb Dropbox, 50gb box, 25gb skydrive and 5gb Google Drive? I think I have plenty
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Nothing yet apart from THAT email!
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I agree...
After downloading most of my Zinio magazines, Kindle books, Nook books, several games and my Play store books and magazines, I still have over 11GB free. Do the Play purchases stay on your device or are they pulled from the "Cloud" when you want to access them?

Yes, a Micro-SD card slot would have been nice. Yes, 3G would have been nice also. But, unfortunately, Asus had to make a cuts as they are making this thing cheaply. It is, after all, a budget tablet and for that I think it is pretty impressive.

What's the obsession with being a data pack rat? Internal storage is meant as temporary storage to consume new media then replace with newer.I have the same amount of storage on my smartphone with a ton of dancing video recordings and have set to even use half.

As much as I would of liked a SD card, I never use the space on it. When I had my 16 ans 32gb iPhones I never filled more then 8gb, same with my skyrocket and galaxy note and a 32gb card I have inside. I think Google saved me money by not adding it since I would of bought a extra card just to do it.
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Struggling with storage on your N7? I found the solution.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Satel...ie=UTF8&qid=1343585688&sr=8-7&keywords=goflex
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Buy the Seagate GoFlex mobile wireless HDD. This thing is AWESOME. It's about the size of a WD Passport and has 500GB of storage. The only downsides are that you have to connect to the device wirelessly, and that makes it a trivial pain in the arse to have to switch back to your WiFi when you're done, and you can only connect three devices at once, but really...who's complaining? It beats the piss out of a tethered 64GB microSD card.
It works for my iPad, my SIII, and my N7.
I love this thing.

Google drive. $4.99 a month for 100gb. I use drop box because I got 50gb free with my galaxy s3. I find this to be so much better than external storage. Actually transfers faster sometimes.
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Maybe, but you just killed your battery using this, so the advantage of adding storage (presumably for more media) is denied by the disadvantage of battery life. Seriously, if you really need more local storage, buy another tablet.

jdyowa said:
Google drive. $4.99 a month for 100gb. I use drop box because I got 50gb free with my galaxy s3. I find this to be so much better than external storage. Actually transfers faster sometimes.
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Streaming video does not play nicely with Google Drive. I have a 80GB drive for $20 a year (leftover from docs). It's a no-go for video. I also have 60GB of Dropbox storage. Dropbox streams, but you cannot adjust the aspect ratio. It letterboxes my letterbox movies and makes them 1/2 the screen. A no go for video.
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Maybe, but you just killed your battery using this, so the advantage of adding storage (presumably for more media) is denied by the disadvantage of battery life. Seriously, if you really need more local storage, buy another tablet.
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Not even an issue. Batteries die. That's what they do. My N7 came with a charger. Problem solved.

In all fairness (because it WILL be brought up), the user interface on the GoFlex SUCKS. Evidently there is a whole other software you can upload to it from www.hackseagatesatellite.com, but after you figure out the mess of the factory software, it's actually quite simple to use.

Here is the main screen interface
And here is the menu from the Video tab
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To be brief, this might work for you if you don't travel and you don't mind disconnecting from your wireless internet / connecting into this device, but I imagine it's not practical for the majority of us.
Mobility. Convenience. Simplicity. Accessibility.
Those words represent what I expect from a storage solution - Google Drive, Cubby, Skydrive, Dropbox, etc. Nothing to lug around, nothing to bring power cords for, nothing to connect into/disconnect from (practicality says wifi switching would be an annoyance). It's there when you want it, nothing for you to maintain. Nothing to die and you lose all your stuff, nothing to buy and need a warranty for. As simple as an app to open up your storage. Accessible from anywhere that has an internet connection. If you leave that 500GB drive at home, you left all your stuff at home as well.
I've got 25GB with Google Drive, 25GB with SkyDrive, 10GB with Cubby, and 3.75GB with Dropbox. That's almost 65GB of cloud storage - I don't use anywhere NEAR that. Not to mention Google Music stores all my songs (up to 20,000 songs free!) so I don't include my huge collection. 65GB is more than enough, if you want to stream a movie just do it from your computer to your tablet at home. If you want to bring a bunch of movies "with you" on vacation, either copy them to your tablet or throw them up in the cloud. Voila. There's no need to have your whole collection of movies in the cloud, unless you've got a fairly small collection. Additionally, as someone else pointed out, Google Drive offers 100GB for $4.99/mo.

Say you go camping in the woods for a week and there's no WiFi, no cloud around to hear you scream? No access to the cloud in that situation May be plausible for the wi drive.....hopefully there's a power source
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sadly this wouldn't help with storing apps and nandroid backups. I can only hold a couple HD games and nandroids before filling up 8gbs really wish i had the 16gb version!

Thador said:
Say you go camping in the woods for a week and there's no WiFi, no cloud around to hear you scream? No access to the cloud in that situation May be plausible for the wi drive.....hopefully there's a power source
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It has a power source where you can leave it plugged in if you want. It even comes with an auto adapter to plug into your accessory outlet in your car (cigarette lighter plug). It has a rechargeable battery which seems to last around 6 hours on constant streaming. And that's exactly why I bought it was to take in the RV on the weekends for a rainy day, and to take on road trips. It's not like it's my ONLY storage, as I have over 150GB of cloud storage that it's all backed up on. I use cloud storage for files other than media, although I use Google Music, if you're in an area without 3G or better, (and many of us are quite often still) then you're screwed with the cloud. I love the cloud, but it's not ready for mainstream just yet. This device fills that void, and it does it better than anything else I have found. I bought a 64GB microSD card and micro usb cable, rooted my N7, and could only get a few movies on it. That simply didn't satisfy what I was looking for. Sure this device is not for everyone, but for those of us who want to use the N7 as a mini-movie theater, you won't find many things better.

Thador said:
Say you go camping in the woods for a week and there's no WiFi, no cloud around to hear you scream? No access to the cloud in that situation May be plausible for the wi drive.....hopefully there's a power source
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If I'm going camping for a week I'm definitely NOT bringing a tablet with me. Camping is about connecting with the outdoors and enjoying life, not being pampered by electronics. Anyway, assuming its not me who is going camping for a week, they'd likely have known they're going camping and they should've loaded stuff onto their nexus before they left. :angel: Also, as you pointed out no power = no charging anything. Tablet will die, your phone will die, storage drives will die.

I don't camp like a caveman.

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I don't camp like a caveman.
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Then what you do isn't called camping. If you have showers, and sleep in anything other than a tent, you really aren't camping. Its like saying I'm going on Safari in Africa, and staying in a 900 dollar per night room, and having 5 star Chefs cook your meals under big canopies.

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Then what you do isn't called camping. If you have showers, and sleep in anything other than a tent, you really aren't camping. Its like saying I'm going on Safari in Africa, and staying in a 900 dollar per night room, and having 5 star Chefs cook your meals under big canopies.
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And what's wrong with that? I was a Boy Scout when I was a kid. I slept in a tent many a night without a Seagate GoFlex. I was a poor college kid who ate ramen noodles 3 times a day, and didn't have a Seagate GoFlex. I struggled early in my adult life providing for my wife and children, and I work very hard to achieve where I am at today, and needed something like the Seagate GoFlex. Why can't I enjoy the spoils of life and be happy with my Seagate GoFlex? Anyway, my broken back doesn't like sleeping on the hard ground anymore, and I don't like to stink, and having my own private crapper sure beats the less-than-sanitary public restrooms.
But hey, this thread isn't about me. It's about my Seagate GoFlex.

My camping analogy turned this into a camping thread. My point is if your camping and have no wireless signal 3g or otherwise the cloud is useless.....at that point the drive would be great to have on hand.
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Thador said:
My camping analogy turned this into a camping thread. My point is if your camping and have no wireless signal 3g or otherwise the cloud is useless.....at that point the drive would be great to have on hand.
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Yep, except that brings up my point: If you're using up your battery connecting to the wi-drive, you're going to need to tether it to... something. Hence, you have extra storage, but you just used up the battery to use the storage, and you're going to run out of batteries before you run out of media. It's a catch-22. (BTW- rip your videos at a lower bitrate and this whole conversation would be pointless anyways. Really; it's a 7" screen with a tiny speaker. It won't make that much difference...).
But there is a solution: USB Host dongle + flash drive. Delete stuff on the tablet, transfer your media, detatch. No battery hit, far cheaper (and modular), and no tethering.
Also, camping is camping. I once stayed with people in New York who told me we were going camping. We drove through the woods to their massive 8-room "cabin." Not rustic, but they called it "camping" and to them it was really "getting back to nature." Meh, obviously it's not the same thing for people from the West, but it's just semantics at this point.

It work great with xbmc, and the official satellite software (market)
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they seem like nice hardware, but the overall review is the apps kinda suck. and most people likely won't need 500gb to carry around.
the Kingston wi-drives supposedly have MUCH better apps and reliabiltiy, also much smaller, but not even close to as much space (16-64gb)

corvato said:
they seem like nice hardware, but the overall review is the apps kinda suck. and most people likely won't need 500gb to carry around.
the Kingston wi-drives supposedly have MUCH better apps and reliabiltiy, also much smaller, but not even close to as much space (16-64gb)
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I considered the Kingston WiDrive, but it would have been no different the OTG with 64GB microSD, except that it can share files. It was only like $20 or so cheaper too. The apps are not as bad as everyone makes them sound. I use the drive to stream video and music, and I can do that effortlessly. I guess YMMV depending how you intend to use the device. With 500GB, I can rip nearly ALL of my movies to the HDD, which was the deal maker for me. This is more for my kids, than for adult use and file storage. It works great as a mobile media server.

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Streaming video does not play nicely with Google Drive. I have a 80GB drive for $20 a year (leftover from docs). It's a no-go for video. I also have 60GB of Dropbox storage. Dropbox streams, but you cannot adjust the aspect ratio. It letterboxes my letterbox movies and makes them 1/2 the screen. A no go for video.
Not even an issue. Batteries die. That's what they do. My N7 came with a charger. Problem solved.
Your right, but I just download a couple and watch and delete. It only takes a few minutes to download. Seems to be the easiest method so far.
Plus I use MX media player and you can pinch and zoom to adjust screen. Works great. Not to mention I can share movies with other people without having to drive over and give them a physical copy.
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Poll: what size storage do you need?

Completely discounting price, and discounting your investment in how much you have wanted this phone for ages (like everyone else) - realistically, what size storage do you NEED on this phone, to keep you happy for however long you will own the phone?
Note - this is not a "what size do you wish you could get" or "what size can you fit into and make work with adjustments" poll - it's a "what size do you really need?" poll.

I think that 16gb is really the sweet spot right now. If you use Google like they want you too then you don't really need much more.

I need 16 GB. I'd much prefer 32.

If we had unlimited data I would use Good Drive, Google music, and all the other streaming/cloud services. However since data usage is limited we require larger amounts of storage.

i only need 8 gb but i will buy the 16 gb version because of price stability (resale value).

Ace42 said:
If we had unlimited data I would use Good Drive, Google music, and all the other streaming/cloud services. However since data usage is limited we require larger amounts of storage.
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this.
I would like 64gb to store all photos and videos without need to upload.
And a lot of games.
I had a 32gb iphone that was always full

I say 32gb is really a good spot. You figure with 16gb you have what...13-12ish for yourself. If i put my small music collection, approx 7gb on there, you get about 5 for other things. I never put movies on mine, but some do. That takes up a lot. I purchase a lot of games and try different apps, so having more than a handful of GB for some of these games (some are getting into the 1gb-1.5gb range) is not enough.

I feel you should throw in "would like more but 16 is fine" cause for me, I would do more with the storage the more of it I had, but with 16gb I can make due by not throwing all my music on it and also by uploading my pictures to the cloud everyday when I get home (omg wait, does anyone know if there's a way I could set up an NFC tag task to do this?? ) and by not having apps i almost never use on it

It's funny - I was thinking, man, who can live with just 8GB's? It's got to be at least 16GB. And then I went and actually looked at my usage on my 16GB Nexus S. I was surprised to see that I'm using only 4.5GB's of space. Apparently I could get by just fine on 8GB. I'll probably still go for the 16GB version though.

32GB. I have 20GB of music which I listen to nearly all of it.
I am still going to get the N4 and just get unlimited data. Here in the UK its only another £2.90 a month which is nothing

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I feel you should throw in "would like more but 16 is fine" cause for me, I would do more with the storage the more of it I had, but with 16gb I can make due by not throwing all my music on it and also by uploading my pictures to the cloud everyday when I get home (omg wait, does anyone know if there's a way I could set up an NFC tag task to do this?? ) and by not having apps i almost never use on it
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This counts as "making adjustments". If you're changing the way you use it, then you are making yourself fit the device rather than having a device that fits you. If you're filling up 16GB now, then in my opinion you need 32GB. That's what this poll is about, it's not "which of what's been offered can you make do with" it''s "what do you really need".

having an 8gb=FAL..
no 32gb-FAIL

16Gb + 16Gb SD

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This counts as "making adjustments". If you're changing the way you use it, then you are making yourself fit the device rather than having a device that fits you. If you're filling up 16GB now, then in my opinion you need 32GB. That's what this poll is about, it's not "which of what's been offered can you make do with" it''s "what do you really need".
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The thing is though that I don't explicitly need 32 gb but if it were available i'd fill it with stuff that I don't actually really need, I don't need to have any music on this, I have an ipod, I don't need to keep all my pics on it, I have 120gb of home internet, its less that I have to adapt to work with 16 gb as much as i would just make use of more

The only reason I wanted an SD card is to minimize the amount of transfer I would have to do when it comes to roms, kernels, radios, backups, etc. If I simply use the cloud for that stuff and minimize what I "need" to carry on my phone, 16GB is more than I know what to do with.
I mentioned it in another thread, my phone is just a communication device. I have a 1GB/mo data plan with Telus and I barely reach 700MB. All I do on data is stream radio(TuneIn)/music(Grooveshark) for 15 minutes each way walking to and from work. The rest of my phone usage is on wifi. I simply can't play games or watch movies on my phone, the screen is just too small to be enjoyable. So data doesn't hinder me in a way to use more storage.
My current storage use:
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Once I really got down to the nitty gritty, I got over the microSD really quick and don't need any more built in.

roughavoc said:
32GB. I have 20GB of music which I listen to nearly all of it.
I am still going to get the N4 and just get unlimited data. Here in the UK its only another £2.90 a month which is nothing
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all my music is in google music
I pay £10 a month to giffgaff (soon to be £12-odd) for unlimited data.
Sadly, I still have a 32GB card in my current phone of which 20GB is used

Most, if not all, of my storage goes to music, and at any given time I use no more than 9gb (I have a larger library, but I only transfer stuff that I'll listen to on a regular basis). Videos occupy most of the rest, and then some games (photos go straight to my Dropbox). 16gb will definitely suffice.

Just an sd card slot. Then the whole issue disappears.

The strength of opinion regarding storage space is amazing. Google have hit an amazing price point which I think they need a big pat on the back for, but I just wish they had created some bigger storage capacity options....maybe a 64 gig model for £100 more? That would still be a great price compared to the competition
It would be really interesting to know how many people use all the features of their smartphone. For example, I use mine as a kind of media pc replacement. With an MHL cable and a bluetooth keyboard with a built in mouse it rocks. My main tv is plugged into my amplifier so movies, music and games sound great - I can't believe what my little HTC Sensation is capable of. It's really nice having a lot of content on my phone so I can play what I want, when I want, where I want. Sure, if phone networks had better coverage where I live and data was cheaper I would happily use the cloud, but that's not an option for a lot of people right now. It would be great if I could put all my music (40 gigs - which is modest for someone of my age), a few tv shows, films and all my photos from my travels on one device so it's all there, all the time. And being able to add more would be great. Sadly my 64 gig card is already full, though a big chunk of that is taken up by game data (Nova 3 is 3GB alone). I had no idea I'd be playing games so much on my phone when I got it either, lol.
None of this is meant to offend anyone, it's just my humble opinion based on my usage habits.
I have my fingers crossed Google will launch more generous storage options next year.

drraptor said:
16Gb + 16Gb SD
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Just an sd card slot. Then the whole issue disappears.
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Until you run out of room because the phone is only allocated for 2GB of apps... I have that issue with my Skyrocket, so I've got a Galaxy Nexus now. The SD slot is helpful for music and pictures, that's about it unfortunately.

MicroSD to Micro USB Adapter, Expand your Nexus 10 Storage.

What if you could add more storage to any Android device with a tiny adapter?
A MicroSD to Micro USB adapter. This indiegogo project aims to receive funding for the creation of a tiny adapter -- the worlds first of it's kind so you no longer have to worry about running out of space for your favourite videos, music or photos. All we need is your support to help fund the creation of this adapter.
http://www.indiegogo.com/microsdtomicrousb
The adapter is so small it can happily sit with your keys as a keyring; store the whole of your favourite TV series, music collection and more in the palm of your hands.
Support the project and be the first to receive the adapter. If the project doesn't get funded, your receive a full refund, nothing to lose.
Lot of discussion at the Nexus 7 forums
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1764017
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Just a random thought - they should make it bendable, so the card could be behind the tabet and only a small portion would be below the frame.

Magnesus said:
Just a random thought - they should make it bendable, so the card could be behind the tabet and only a small portion would be below the frame.
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Making it Flexible is on the roadmap, we are planning on doing it, however, that requires more much testing, and the mechanicals of that are more much complex. we need the initial push to get the necessary funding to get the design FCC approved and compatibility test with as much devices as we can.

Contributed for $16.
This looks like it will be really great! Good luck!

Maturola said:
Making it Flexible is on the roadmap, we are planning on doing it, however, that requires more much testing, and the mechanicals of that are more much complex. we need the initial push to get the necessary funding to get the design FCC approved and compatibility test with as much devices as we can.
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Call me crazy, but wouldn't one be able to do that with wired extension leads? I don't know a whole lot but it seems fairly simple to this 16 year old.

Will this work? I know it's not micro sd though.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0051D3KMG/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8
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Great Idea, I just sent you guys another $32 plus $10 for shipping. I hope you get enough support to complete this project.

cderrick14 said:
Great Idea, I just sent you guys another $32 plus $10 for shipping. I hope you get enough support to complete this project.
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Thank you for the support, We are having a really unexpected positive feedback about the project, specially internationally. We are on the right track, we just need some more support and spread out the word as much as we can. :good:

Lumsdoni said:
Will this work? I know it's not micro sd though.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0051D3KMG/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8
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No, it won't. It isn't for micro usb port. It works only with Samsung Galaxy Tab.
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Maturola said:
Thank you for the support, We are having a really unexpected positive feedback about the project, specially internationally. We are on the right track, we just need some more support and spread out the word as much as we can. :good:
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Yes, spread the word folks. I've tweeted, facebooked and google+'d the crap outta this and will continue to do so. I'm surprised you are only at the amount you are. It seems to me that this would be more popular.
Well I'll keep plugging this until every Android user i have contact with sees it.

groaner said:
Yes, spread the word folks. I've tweeted, facebooked and google+'d the crap outta this and will continue to do so. I'm surprised you are only at the amount you are. It seems to me that this would be more popular.
Well I'll keep plugging this until every Android user i have contact with sees it.
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Thanks, make sure to use your "custom" link to share, we are tracking referral, and if we are funded, the person with more referral will get a Nexus 7 32GB (More details at the website if interested).
We have a very large amount of visitors, many are interested but are holding up. Maybe to see if the project is going to get closer to its goal, or maybe they just want to wait for a more complete, retail ready from. I hope they realized that without the initial push we can't get there. All i can do is support, answer questions and spread the word as much as I can.
We have the Nexus 10 on order already, so we will be testing as soon as we get it. We are also prototyping a Build in storage option (A.K.A Micro USB Flash drive). :good:

So I already planned to do this with a microsd card adapter and an OTG cable for about half the price. That way I can connect a few devices at once too... Any reason I should spring for this instead?

manaox2 said:
So I already planned to do this with a microsd card adapter and an OTG cable for about half the price. That way I can connect a few devices at once too... Any reason I should spring for this instead?
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Hey Manaox,
Functional they are the same, depending on the quality of the OTG cable, speed should be the same (there are some cases reported that some really inexpensive OTG cables degrade the speed a bit), if you don't mind the size and having the "cable" hanging around, that is a perfect way to do it. that;s exactly what I did before I decide to design a better solution.
Personally, I hate that "tail" on my device, I rather have something smaller, that I can maybe have on my keyring or in a pocket on my case and i can easily plug and play. But there is nothing wrong with the OTG cable + MicroSD-USB adapter (or Flash drive).

chrishin said:
No, it won't. It isn't for micro usb port. It works only with Samsung Galaxy Tab.
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Shouldn't have tried to see that on my phone, thought it was micro usb.

Maturola said:
Making it Flexible is on the roadmap, we are planning on doing it, however, that requires more much testing, and the mechanicals of that are more much complex. we need the initial push to get the necessary funding to get the design FCC approved and compatibility test with as much devices as we can.
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What you really need to work on, besides keeping the size down, is some sort of clamp mechanism, as a strain-relief for the actual USB port (especially the pathetic shallow and sloppy port on the N7). Without that strain relief, expect to see a LOT of complaints about breaking the USB port.
Might also want to consider an "L" shape that runs along the edge rather than straight out. It'll be a bit trickier to manufacture but would make it far less prone to "snapping off" and it'll be less clunky looking if it doesn't protrude out as far.
Finally, if you're making it device specific for the N7, a ribbon cable (or hard cable) that does a 180 to the back would be ideal. The actual reader portion could mount in the middle of the speaker/Asus logo area. A few was to make this mounting work, from velcro to double-sided tape to semi-permanent plates mounted to the back with a clip or magnet, etc.
Actually, the more I think about it, a rigid cable sheath in the shape of a "C" would be ideal, if it was a tight fit (almost a clip) to the chassis. A lot of the torque that would be applied to the USB port would be absorbed/prevented by the reader portion resting snugly on the back.

Croak said:
What you really need to work on, besides keeping the size down,
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There is a lot that need to be worked if you want a quality product. Durability, packaging, signal integrity manufacturability.. many more
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Finally, if you're making it device specific for the N7...
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We don;t want to make a Nexus 7 specific, we want to make it so it will work with as many android devices as possible, with or without a case (which doesn't allow to make flush to the edge)

I made myself one, much cheaper and easier, cost me about £3 total and 10 minutes to solder up.
See my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33978463
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alias_neo said:
I made myself one, much cheaper and easier, cost me about £3 total and 10 minutes to solder up.
See my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33978463
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Sweet! Looks easy!

great idea but here is something that will probably work fine. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1MR0ES0806
for $10 its worth a test

Leoisright said:
great idea but here is something that will probably work fine. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1MR0ES0806
for $10 its worth a test
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That will not fit on your Nexus 10, that is NOT a micro USB device...
EDIT: I stand corrected, I can see the MicroUSB on the side, besides the size, it should do the job. for that size of device I would much rather use a OTG cable, but it comes down to preferences