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BOOOOOOM Apple just dropped the iPhone OS 4.0 A-BOMB

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/
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Wow, they finally got around to basic functionalities after three years. Functionalities that Symbian and WinMo were doing since forever. Very revolutionary and magical. Color me awed.
Just about the only thing Android needs to do to "catch up" is a better multi-tasking UI. Then again, considering the iPhone OS 4.0 will handle a grand total of seven tasks--as opposed to Android showing the last six apps used--well...

folders!!! haha.

jarude said:
folders!!! haha.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well atleast there starting to catch up
Steve really outdid himself this time

this is so funny hahaha. they're taking things that phones have already been able to do and making it such a big deal. apple can suck deez nutz.
i can't wait till android os 3.0!!!

Austin021296 said:
Well atleast there starting to catch up
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They just got wallpapers, maybe OS5 will match Eclair.

britoso said:
They just got wallpapers, maybe OS5 will match Eclair.
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LOL so true

So the iPhone OS 4.0 contains what's currently available for jailbroken iPhones, and adds interactive advertising...
Am I missing something?

azalex86 said:
So the iPhone OS 4.0 contains what's currently available for jailbroken iPhones, and adds interactive advertising...
Am I missing something?
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Yes, Apple just ripped off a bunch of features from Android, which will undoubtedly drive iSheep sales up.

ohhh! a bunch of stuff that almost every other phone already has... android, winMo, WebOS...

azalex86 said:
So the iPhone OS 4.0 contains what's currently available for jailbroken iPhones, and adds interactive advertising...
Am I missing something?
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Nope, you're not. However for the masses, this update will be very well received. Yes its ridiculous that they took so long to incorporate multitasking and folder functionality, but better late than never.
I was disappointed that there wasn't any interface change, the icon grids seem archaic. The iBook app will be huge. Overall, I think this is what most people were expecting in terms of a software update. The real big news will be whether a hardware update will accompany OS4 (unibody iPhone would be nice).
For now the Nexus still has an edge but the gap is narrowing

jasrups said:
Nope, you're not. However for the masses, this update will be very well received. Yes its ridiculous that they took so long to incorporate multitasking and folder functionality, but better late than never.
I was disappointed that there wasn't any interface change, the icon grids seem archaic. The iBook app will be huge. Overall, I think this is what most people were expecting in terms of a software update. The real big news will be whether a hardware update will accompany OS4 (unibody iPhone would be nice).
For now the Nexus still has an edge but the gap is narrowing
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Yeah. I was thinking of the big things they could do on the hardware side, but I'm not entirely sure they want to split their market up. People are still using the iPhone 3G, if they do a massive upgrade on hardware, app developers will have to verify it works on 3 different platforms.
Maybe they are just planning on phasing out the 3G completely by next year (considering they were hinting at the lesser features for 3G's OS4), and then using the current 3GS as minimum spec. If they increase screen resolution, they'll have to write some scaling processes as well (a lot can be seen in the iPad)

They dropped the bomb until they put this dud out.
I own a bunch of Apple devices and Ive had an iPhone before. Im not a hater, I just dont think it's cutting edge anymore. I even have an iPad so you can't say Im an apple hater

Is just another iPhone... but still Google needs to get their act together in a few areas. I borrowed a N1 for few days and like it very much, but I have been reluctant to take the plunge because of the following shortcomings:
Google needs to allow Contacts, Tasks and Notes to sync to the N1 (locally and remotely) using Google apps. It also needs to either enhance the Calendar application or make it play nice with Outlook desktop calendar functions. Me and whole bunch of other people I know, are very comfortable with Outlook to manage their email, time, contacts and tasks. Help us migrate to Android and to the Google apps without so much fuzz. Don't leave it to third parties. I don't want to risk my critical data to a vendor that is here today, but might not be here tomorrow. I'm not very happy leaving all my critical data in the cloud, but if I'm going to do it... Google needs to help me get there. Security and the integrity of my data are important. I have confidence in Google, but not on third party vendors for this critical step.
The Music Player needs enhancement and a Google desktop application to manage one's Music Library and multiple playlist is needed. Most decent portable DAP have such application. Maybe Google can partner or acquire a vendor that knows how to do this right.
Just like the new iPhone the inbox of Android needs to be bit more friendly with other email service providers. As with the new IPhone OS 4, multiple Exchange servers should be supported along with the option to have multiple and merged inboxes.
I wonder if others feel the same way. I also know that there are other issues that need to be addressed, but in my case the top two are very important.

The soul purpose of this device is not meant to be a music player, Google does not (and I highly doubt they will) need to create an entire desktop application to move mp3s to the music folder where anyone with the right direction can do this. Managing playlist though is a different story, but I guess it is up to a third party application to do this.
Get a ipod or other portable music device if this is your wish.
Also, tamanaco, I believe Sense does most of what you said. Don't believe the Nexus is a very friendly business device...

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Yeah. I was thinking of the big things they could do on the hardware side, but I'm not entirely sure they want to split their market up. People are still using the iPhone 3G, if they do a massive upgrade on hardware, app developers will have to verify it works on 3 different platforms.
Maybe they are just planning on phasing out the 3G completely by next year (considering they were hinting at the lesser features for 3G's OS4), and then using the current 3GS as minimum spec. If they increase screen resolution, they'll have to write some scaling processes as well (a lot can be seen in the iPad)
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I agree with you in that there's no need for them to boost their specs at this point, but I was referring more to a cosmetic facelift. The iPhone has pretty much looked the same for 3 years now and I think even Apple fanboys can agree that everyone is tired of the design.

Eclair~ said:
The soul purpose of this device is not meant to be a music player, Google does not (and I highly doubt they will) need to create an entire desktop application to move mp3s to the music folder where anyone with the right direction can do this. Managing playlist though is a different story, but I guess it is up to a third party application to do this.
Get a ipod or other portable music device if this is your wish.
Also, tamanaco, I believe Sense does most of what you said. Don't believe the Nexus is a very friendly business device...
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So, if I understand you correctly... The N1 is "not" a Music Player... is "not" meant for business... and as you say is "not" for me. So, in your book it's only good to make calls and find yourself on a map? It's called a "Superphone"... What's else is it good for?

SubyWill said:
this is so funny hahaha. they're taking things that phones have already been able to do and making it such a big deal. apple can suck deez nutz.
i can't wait till android os 3.0!!!
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I just pray for it to include VPN, proxy settings, full Exchange support (including tasks), WPA-Enterprise...
But I'm guessing it won't.

Eclair~ said:
The soul purpose of this device is not meant to be a music player, Google does not (and I highly doubt they will) need to create an entire desktop application to move mp3s to the music folder where anyone with the right direction can do this. Managing playlist though is a different story, but I guess it is up to a third party application to do this.
Get a ipod or other portable music device if this is your wish.
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This is not an excuse IMO, the music player definitely needs an update. This is the one area where iPhone has a real advantage over Android. Most users would rather carry one device for everyday use, I know I certainly would.

Its a hit, but not a home run

Just got my nexis7. Jelly bean appears to be much faster than my other tablet running gingerbread or my smart phone. Yes, controls are different, but that was somewhat expected. Did not take long to figure it out and now it is easy.
I got the 16g model and very glad I did. The absolute biggest error ASUS made was not including a micro SD storage card. Yes, you can hook the unit to a laptop to upload/download ' but you are limited to what you have with you.
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.

Catch22! said:
The absolute biggest error ASUS made was not including a micro SD storage card. Yes, you can hook the unit to a laptop to upload/download ' but you are limited to what you have with you.
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
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Working towards a price point goal causes these things to happen. How popular and it seems hack friendly may end up with an application or hardware hack to achieve external memory cards.
Then of course you have the whole cloud behind you. This is a point that Google is trying to push us with this device, use it for your day-to-day things and let us (google) store it all for you on our computers. I've been using cloud services for my Music and Videos for a number of months now, I would find it hard to return to just what I had on my own media after that convenience (for me, maybe not every but for me it's a boon).
Who knows, exciting times.
Putting a positive spin on it, for those using this as an EReader every gram of weight pared off makes long reading sessions better, not adding those 10-15 grams of interface will help there... ok, ok, it's a long stretch.

Purchased the 16GB version and after installing all my games (Max Payne, GTA, Nova3, etc) I still have about 8 GB left. No issues with storage here, especially since I use the cloud for all my music (Saves about 4 or so GB). Couldn't be happier with this device after owning a Transformer and GTab 2 7". Home run in my book.

I wish they sold 8gb at the store, I'd got 8gb version than 16gb version.
16 GB would be handy, but I realized I rarely use any space since everything I do is available to stream and where I don't have WiFi access either I tether to Galaxy Nexus or just use Galaxy Nexus...
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Catch22! said:
Just got my nexis7. Jelly bean appears to be much faster than my other tablet running gingerbread or my smart phone. Yes, controls are different, but that was somewhat expected. Did not take long to figure it out and now it is easy.
I got the 16g model and very glad I did. The absolute biggest error ASUS made was not including a micro SD storage card. Yes, you can hook the unit to a laptop to upload/download ' but you are limited to what you have with you.
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
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Yea..I dunno. I wish they would have included an SD card slot just so I wouldn't have to read people complaining about it. If I truly need more than the fourteen or so gigs, I'll get me some Stickmount and my 32BG flash drive and go to town.

rlh445 said:
Yea..I dunno. I wish they would have included an SD card slot just so I wouldn't have to read people complaining about it. If I truly need more than the fourteen or so gigs, I'll get me some Stickmount and my 32BG flash drive and go to town.
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This.
While I agree that an external SD card would be useful, the lack of one is not the end of the world. 16GB should be more then enough space to hold movies/music/games for a long trip (even without Wi-Fi). Once you get to a place with Internet, you can replace your current content with more. And by using the OTG USB trick, you can still attach external sources of data. I wouldn't want to keep it plugged in for long periods of time personally, but you can delete/move/copy things back and forth to "reload" more content on your tablet.

Catch22! said:
If they had added a micro SD, it would have been a home run IMHO.
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They are already barely breaking even as it is selling a $199 quad core tablet. Adding anything more, and this price would not be possible. If there's a a better $200 tablet, please show it to me. Look at all those people that paid $200 for a Kindle, and what they got for the money.
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phonic said:
... Once you get to a place with Internet ...
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This is what it's coming down to. I am already always connected through WiFi hotspot in my phone while I'm in transit. At home and work I have WiFi. As a result I've move to the cloud. Pandora, Sony Music Unlimited (Which is fantastic) and my ISPs movie service, Google Movies and Sony Movies filling in my video needs.
I understand that everyone is not me and some people can't turn their phones into hotspots, or don't have the data allowance, but we are moving that way.
The device can do a card I would say, the original version before Google cut it down from $250 to $199 had the card, HDMI and rear camera and more memory. Despite that cut down the circuit board in the Nexus 7 is still labelled as a ME370T, check the iFixit to see.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/28/3124041/asus-me370t-nexus-7-transformation-google-nvidia
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/3
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This part is probably the difference, right side missing. Only left ear to the middle usb, seems it would need middle usb to the right card slot so the entire strip goes over the bottom of the tablet. The frame (grey part with the stamp 120504 in this picture) looks to have space and the mounting reinforcement for a card slot on the right bottom, the extra needed wires seem to be in the ribbon, logically it would seem that function would go to the same part of the MB as the USB... maybe.

I am so glad I got the 8gb instead of the 16gb. I dont need or want the storage and with USB on the go I *would* be set either way. I much prefer the low cost. The days of hoarding data (Movies, TV Shows, Music) is a thing of the past for me. Its kind of like thumb drives, I used to always carry one with me on my key chain and I realized a year ago that this practice was already outdated thanks to dropbox.
And what a relief too, I dont have to wonder if my music folders are all named correctly or if they all have the album art. Its all taken care of by netflix, pandora, picasa and google music.
Google posted the specs of this device long before we bought it. The told us what would be included and what would be excluded. Based on this list it seemed that this was a perfect device for me. Thats why I purchased one. I am glad I did. My Ipad2 can collect dust now.
Mine has been all loaded up since Tuesday and it is actually only 5GB +/- not 8. Still a home run for me.....

What? With 32gb Dropbox, 50gb box, 25gb skydrive and 5gb Google Drive? I think I have plenty
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RBFesquire said:
What? With 32gb Dropbox, 50gb box, 25gb skydrive and 5gb Google Drive? I think I have plenty
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I agree...
After downloading most of my Zinio magazines, Kindle books, Nook books, several games and my Play store books and magazines, I still have over 11GB free. Do the Play purchases stay on your device or are they pulled from the "Cloud" when you want to access them?

Yes, a Micro-SD card slot would have been nice. Yes, 3G would have been nice also. But, unfortunately, Asus had to make a cuts as they are making this thing cheaply. It is, after all, a budget tablet and for that I think it is pretty impressive.

What's the obsession with being a data pack rat? Internal storage is meant as temporary storage to consume new media then replace with newer.I have the same amount of storage on my smartphone with a ton of dancing video recordings and have set to even use half.

As much as I would of liked a SD card, I never use the space on it. When I had my 16 ans 32gb iPhones I never filled more then 8gb, same with my skyrocket and galaxy note and a 32gb card I have inside. I think Google saved me money by not adding it since I would of bought a extra card just to do it.
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Struggling with storage on your N7? I found the solution.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Satel...ie=UTF8&qid=1343585688&sr=8-7&keywords=goflex
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Buy the Seagate GoFlex mobile wireless HDD. This thing is AWESOME. It's about the size of a WD Passport and has 500GB of storage. The only downsides are that you have to connect to the device wirelessly, and that makes it a trivial pain in the arse to have to switch back to your WiFi when you're done, and you can only connect three devices at once, but really...who's complaining? It beats the piss out of a tethered 64GB microSD card.
It works for my iPad, my SIII, and my N7.
I love this thing.

Google drive. $4.99 a month for 100gb. I use drop box because I got 50gb free with my galaxy s3. I find this to be so much better than external storage. Actually transfers faster sometimes.
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Maybe, but you just killed your battery using this, so the advantage of adding storage (presumably for more media) is denied by the disadvantage of battery life. Seriously, if you really need more local storage, buy another tablet.

jdyowa said:
Google drive. $4.99 a month for 100gb. I use drop box because I got 50gb free with my galaxy s3. I find this to be so much better than external storage. Actually transfers faster sometimes.
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Streaming video does not play nicely with Google Drive. I have a 80GB drive for $20 a year (leftover from docs). It's a no-go for video. I also have 60GB of Dropbox storage. Dropbox streams, but you cannot adjust the aspect ratio. It letterboxes my letterbox movies and makes them 1/2 the screen. A no go for video.
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Maybe, but you just killed your battery using this, so the advantage of adding storage (presumably for more media) is denied by the disadvantage of battery life. Seriously, if you really need more local storage, buy another tablet.
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Not even an issue. Batteries die. That's what they do. My N7 came with a charger. Problem solved.

In all fairness (because it WILL be brought up), the user interface on the GoFlex SUCKS. Evidently there is a whole other software you can upload to it from www.hackseagatesatellite.com, but after you figure out the mess of the factory software, it's actually quite simple to use.

Here is the main screen interface
And here is the menu from the Video tab
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To be brief, this might work for you if you don't travel and you don't mind disconnecting from your wireless internet / connecting into this device, but I imagine it's not practical for the majority of us.
Mobility. Convenience. Simplicity. Accessibility.
Those words represent what I expect from a storage solution - Google Drive, Cubby, Skydrive, Dropbox, etc. Nothing to lug around, nothing to bring power cords for, nothing to connect into/disconnect from (practicality says wifi switching would be an annoyance). It's there when you want it, nothing for you to maintain. Nothing to die and you lose all your stuff, nothing to buy and need a warranty for. As simple as an app to open up your storage. Accessible from anywhere that has an internet connection. If you leave that 500GB drive at home, you left all your stuff at home as well.
I've got 25GB with Google Drive, 25GB with SkyDrive, 10GB with Cubby, and 3.75GB with Dropbox. That's almost 65GB of cloud storage - I don't use anywhere NEAR that. Not to mention Google Music stores all my songs (up to 20,000 songs free!) so I don't include my huge collection. 65GB is more than enough, if you want to stream a movie just do it from your computer to your tablet at home. If you want to bring a bunch of movies "with you" on vacation, either copy them to your tablet or throw them up in the cloud. Voila. There's no need to have your whole collection of movies in the cloud, unless you've got a fairly small collection. Additionally, as someone else pointed out, Google Drive offers 100GB for $4.99/mo.

Say you go camping in the woods for a week and there's no WiFi, no cloud around to hear you scream? No access to the cloud in that situation May be plausible for the wi drive.....hopefully there's a power source
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sadly this wouldn't help with storing apps and nandroid backups. I can only hold a couple HD games and nandroids before filling up 8gbs really wish i had the 16gb version!

Thador said:
Say you go camping in the woods for a week and there's no WiFi, no cloud around to hear you scream? No access to the cloud in that situation May be plausible for the wi drive.....hopefully there's a power source
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It has a power source where you can leave it plugged in if you want. It even comes with an auto adapter to plug into your accessory outlet in your car (cigarette lighter plug). It has a rechargeable battery which seems to last around 6 hours on constant streaming. And that's exactly why I bought it was to take in the RV on the weekends for a rainy day, and to take on road trips. It's not like it's my ONLY storage, as I have over 150GB of cloud storage that it's all backed up on. I use cloud storage for files other than media, although I use Google Music, if you're in an area without 3G or better, (and many of us are quite often still) then you're screwed with the cloud. I love the cloud, but it's not ready for mainstream just yet. This device fills that void, and it does it better than anything else I have found. I bought a 64GB microSD card and micro usb cable, rooted my N7, and could only get a few movies on it. That simply didn't satisfy what I was looking for. Sure this device is not for everyone, but for those of us who want to use the N7 as a mini-movie theater, you won't find many things better.

Thador said:
Say you go camping in the woods for a week and there's no WiFi, no cloud around to hear you scream? No access to the cloud in that situation May be plausible for the wi drive.....hopefully there's a power source
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If I'm going camping for a week I'm definitely NOT bringing a tablet with me. Camping is about connecting with the outdoors and enjoying life, not being pampered by electronics. Anyway, assuming its not me who is going camping for a week, they'd likely have known they're going camping and they should've loaded stuff onto their nexus before they left. :angel: Also, as you pointed out no power = no charging anything. Tablet will die, your phone will die, storage drives will die.

I don't camp like a caveman.

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I don't camp like a caveman.
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Then what you do isn't called camping. If you have showers, and sleep in anything other than a tent, you really aren't camping. Its like saying I'm going on Safari in Africa, and staying in a 900 dollar per night room, and having 5 star Chefs cook your meals under big canopies.

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Then what you do isn't called camping. If you have showers, and sleep in anything other than a tent, you really aren't camping. Its like saying I'm going on Safari in Africa, and staying in a 900 dollar per night room, and having 5 star Chefs cook your meals under big canopies.
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And what's wrong with that? I was a Boy Scout when I was a kid. I slept in a tent many a night without a Seagate GoFlex. I was a poor college kid who ate ramen noodles 3 times a day, and didn't have a Seagate GoFlex. I struggled early in my adult life providing for my wife and children, and I work very hard to achieve where I am at today, and needed something like the Seagate GoFlex. Why can't I enjoy the spoils of life and be happy with my Seagate GoFlex? Anyway, my broken back doesn't like sleeping on the hard ground anymore, and I don't like to stink, and having my own private crapper sure beats the less-than-sanitary public restrooms.
But hey, this thread isn't about me. It's about my Seagate GoFlex.

My camping analogy turned this into a camping thread. My point is if your camping and have no wireless signal 3g or otherwise the cloud is useless.....at that point the drive would be great to have on hand.
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Thador said:
My camping analogy turned this into a camping thread. My point is if your camping and have no wireless signal 3g or otherwise the cloud is useless.....at that point the drive would be great to have on hand.
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Yep, except that brings up my point: If you're using up your battery connecting to the wi-drive, you're going to need to tether it to... something. Hence, you have extra storage, but you just used up the battery to use the storage, and you're going to run out of batteries before you run out of media. It's a catch-22. (BTW- rip your videos at a lower bitrate and this whole conversation would be pointless anyways. Really; it's a 7" screen with a tiny speaker. It won't make that much difference...).
But there is a solution: USB Host dongle + flash drive. Delete stuff on the tablet, transfer your media, detatch. No battery hit, far cheaper (and modular), and no tethering.
Also, camping is camping. I once stayed with people in New York who told me we were going camping. We drove through the woods to their massive 8-room "cabin." Not rustic, but they called it "camping" and to them it was really "getting back to nature." Meh, obviously it's not the same thing for people from the West, but it's just semantics at this point.

It work great with xbmc, and the official satellite software (market)
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they seem like nice hardware, but the overall review is the apps kinda suck. and most people likely won't need 500gb to carry around.
the Kingston wi-drives supposedly have MUCH better apps and reliabiltiy, also much smaller, but not even close to as much space (16-64gb)

corvato said:
they seem like nice hardware, but the overall review is the apps kinda suck. and most people likely won't need 500gb to carry around.
the Kingston wi-drives supposedly have MUCH better apps and reliabiltiy, also much smaller, but not even close to as much space (16-64gb)
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I considered the Kingston WiDrive, but it would have been no different the OTG with 64GB microSD, except that it can share files. It was only like $20 or so cheaper too. The apps are not as bad as everyone makes them sound. I use the drive to stream video and music, and I can do that effortlessly. I guess YMMV depending how you intend to use the device. With 500GB, I can rip nearly ALL of my movies to the HDD, which was the deal maker for me. This is more for my kids, than for adult use and file storage. It works great as a mobile media server.

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Streaming video does not play nicely with Google Drive. I have a 80GB drive for $20 a year (leftover from docs). It's a no-go for video. I also have 60GB of Dropbox storage. Dropbox streams, but you cannot adjust the aspect ratio. It letterboxes my letterbox movies and makes them 1/2 the screen. A no go for video.
Not even an issue. Batteries die. That's what they do. My N7 came with a charger. Problem solved.
Your right, but I just download a couple and watch and delete. It only takes a few minutes to download. Seems to be the easiest method so far.
Plus I use MX media player and you can pinch and zoom to adjust screen. Works great. Not to mention I can share movies with other people without having to drive over and give them a physical copy.
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Poll: what size storage do you need?

Completely discounting price, and discounting your investment in how much you have wanted this phone for ages (like everyone else) - realistically, what size storage do you NEED on this phone, to keep you happy for however long you will own the phone?
Note - this is not a "what size do you wish you could get" or "what size can you fit into and make work with adjustments" poll - it's a "what size do you really need?" poll.

I think that 16gb is really the sweet spot right now. If you use Google like they want you too then you don't really need much more.

I need 16 GB. I'd much prefer 32.

If we had unlimited data I would use Good Drive, Google music, and all the other streaming/cloud services. However since data usage is limited we require larger amounts of storage.

i only need 8 gb but i will buy the 16 gb version because of price stability (resale value).

Ace42 said:
If we had unlimited data I would use Good Drive, Google music, and all the other streaming/cloud services. However since data usage is limited we require larger amounts of storage.
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this.
I would like 64gb to store all photos and videos without need to upload.
And a lot of games.
I had a 32gb iphone that was always full

I say 32gb is really a good spot. You figure with 16gb you have what...13-12ish for yourself. If i put my small music collection, approx 7gb on there, you get about 5 for other things. I never put movies on mine, but some do. That takes up a lot. I purchase a lot of games and try different apps, so having more than a handful of GB for some of these games (some are getting into the 1gb-1.5gb range) is not enough.

I feel you should throw in "would like more but 16 is fine" cause for me, I would do more with the storage the more of it I had, but with 16gb I can make due by not throwing all my music on it and also by uploading my pictures to the cloud everyday when I get home (omg wait, does anyone know if there's a way I could set up an NFC tag task to do this?? ) and by not having apps i almost never use on it

It's funny - I was thinking, man, who can live with just 8GB's? It's got to be at least 16GB. And then I went and actually looked at my usage on my 16GB Nexus S. I was surprised to see that I'm using only 4.5GB's of space. Apparently I could get by just fine on 8GB. I'll probably still go for the 16GB version though.

32GB. I have 20GB of music which I listen to nearly all of it.
I am still going to get the N4 and just get unlimited data. Here in the UK its only another £2.90 a month which is nothing

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I feel you should throw in "would like more but 16 is fine" cause for me, I would do more with the storage the more of it I had, but with 16gb I can make due by not throwing all my music on it and also by uploading my pictures to the cloud everyday when I get home (omg wait, does anyone know if there's a way I could set up an NFC tag task to do this?? ) and by not having apps i almost never use on it
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This counts as "making adjustments". If you're changing the way you use it, then you are making yourself fit the device rather than having a device that fits you. If you're filling up 16GB now, then in my opinion you need 32GB. That's what this poll is about, it's not "which of what's been offered can you make do with" it''s "what do you really need".

having an 8gb=FAL..
no 32gb-FAIL

16Gb + 16Gb SD

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This counts as "making adjustments". If you're changing the way you use it, then you are making yourself fit the device rather than having a device that fits you. If you're filling up 16GB now, then in my opinion you need 32GB. That's what this poll is about, it's not "which of what's been offered can you make do with" it''s "what do you really need".
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The thing is though that I don't explicitly need 32 gb but if it were available i'd fill it with stuff that I don't actually really need, I don't need to have any music on this, I have an ipod, I don't need to keep all my pics on it, I have 120gb of home internet, its less that I have to adapt to work with 16 gb as much as i would just make use of more

The only reason I wanted an SD card is to minimize the amount of transfer I would have to do when it comes to roms, kernels, radios, backups, etc. If I simply use the cloud for that stuff and minimize what I "need" to carry on my phone, 16GB is more than I know what to do with.
I mentioned it in another thread, my phone is just a communication device. I have a 1GB/mo data plan with Telus and I barely reach 700MB. All I do on data is stream radio(TuneIn)/music(Grooveshark) for 15 minutes each way walking to and from work. The rest of my phone usage is on wifi. I simply can't play games or watch movies on my phone, the screen is just too small to be enjoyable. So data doesn't hinder me in a way to use more storage.
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roughavoc said:
32GB. I have 20GB of music which I listen to nearly all of it.
I am still going to get the N4 and just get unlimited data. Here in the UK its only another £2.90 a month which is nothing
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all my music is in google music
I pay £10 a month to giffgaff (soon to be £12-odd) for unlimited data.
Sadly, I still have a 32GB card in my current phone of which 20GB is used

Most, if not all, of my storage goes to music, and at any given time I use no more than 9gb (I have a larger library, but I only transfer stuff that I'll listen to on a regular basis). Videos occupy most of the rest, and then some games (photos go straight to my Dropbox). 16gb will definitely suffice.

Just an sd card slot. Then the whole issue disappears.

The strength of opinion regarding storage space is amazing. Google have hit an amazing price point which I think they need a big pat on the back for, but I just wish they had created some bigger storage capacity options....maybe a 64 gig model for £100 more? That would still be a great price compared to the competition
It would be really interesting to know how many people use all the features of their smartphone. For example, I use mine as a kind of media pc replacement. With an MHL cable and a bluetooth keyboard with a built in mouse it rocks. My main tv is plugged into my amplifier so movies, music and games sound great - I can't believe what my little HTC Sensation is capable of. It's really nice having a lot of content on my phone so I can play what I want, when I want, where I want. Sure, if phone networks had better coverage where I live and data was cheaper I would happily use the cloud, but that's not an option for a lot of people right now. It would be great if I could put all my music (40 gigs - which is modest for someone of my age), a few tv shows, films and all my photos from my travels on one device so it's all there, all the time. And being able to add more would be great. Sadly my 64 gig card is already full, though a big chunk of that is taken up by game data (Nova 3 is 3GB alone). I had no idea I'd be playing games so much on my phone when I got it either, lol.
None of this is meant to offend anyone, it's just my humble opinion based on my usage habits.
I have my fingers crossed Google will launch more generous storage options next year.

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16Gb + 16Gb SD
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Just an sd card slot. Then the whole issue disappears.
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Until you run out of room because the phone is only allocated for 2GB of apps... I have that issue with my Skyrocket, so I've got a Galaxy Nexus now. The SD slot is helpful for music and pictures, that's about it unfortunately.

No more SD card slot.

I just want to say that google will never make SD card slot for any of their Nexus device, because that way they can make money off Google drive and their cloud services, so stop complain about no SD card slots. So Nexus 5 NO SD CARD SLOTS.

Never say never bro
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Unless Google take away Google drive and stop cloud services. But they won't because they want to make money.
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Good. I don't need or want one. It doesn't have as much to do with Google's cloud services as it does paying Microsoft $7 for every phone sold with a SD card slot. Why would Google actively support Microsoft?

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Good. I don't need or want one. It doesn't have as much to do with Google's cloud services as it does paying Microsoft $7 for every phone sold with a SD card slot. Why would Google actively support Microsoft?
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Could you please link something which could prove that any of this is true, and not a bunch of BS? I'm not trying to be a jerk, just looking for info.

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Could you please link something which could prove that any of this is true, and not a bunch of BS? I'm not trying to be a jerk, just looking for info.
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You're not paying me by the hour. Google is your friend and it's not hard to find. And you're not looking for info. You're telling me to :good:

What in the world? Google just chooses not to have SD card slots for performance issues and Ofcourse the ever obvious cloud storage they've been trying to get people into
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What in the world? Google just chooses not to have SD card slots for performance issues and Ofcourse the ever obvious cloud storage they've been trying to get people into
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Yea...makes sense because Google's Drive is the only cloud storage out there? No. More people use Box and a few others. Besides how lucrative of a business is cloud storage? Performance issues aside it has more to do with not supporting a direct competitor.

RealiZms said:
Yea...makes sense because Google's Drive is the only cloud storage out there? No. More people use Box and a few others. Besides how lucrative of a business is cloud storage? Performance issues aside it has more to do with not supporting a direct competitor.
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Frankly i don't think they're trying to compete over cloud storage but they have integrated alot of features that make Drive an awesome cloud storage. Word processing, private sharing and such. Infact I use Dropbox alot but I'll admit Google always knows how to do it better. I feel the whole candy picked features are to promote the use of drive as an all rounder, which is basically what's happening lol
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Frankly i don't think they're trying to compete over cloud storage but they have integrated alot of features that make Drive an awesome cloud storage. Word processing, private sharing and such. Infact I use Dropbox alot but I'll admit Google always knows how to do it better. I feel the whole candy picked features are to promote the use of drive as an all rounder, which is basically what's happening lol
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Drive is nice but it's not a lucrative money making machine. It's cloud storage. Now imagine every phone sold with a MicroSD card slot. Now imagine handing Microsoft $7 for every phone sold with a micro SD card slot. Sure most OEMs don't care. But when it comes to direct competitors like Apple and Google it's a matter of business ethics.

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Drive is nice but it's not a lucrative money making machine. It's cloud storage. Now imagine every phone sold with a MicroSD card slot. Now imagine handing Microsoft $7 for every phone sold with a micro SD card slot. Sure most OEMs don't care. But when it comes to direct competitors like Apple and Google it's a matter of business ethics.
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While all that does make sense, it still doesn't make sense as to why they build something as preposterous as an 8GB Internal, why not set the bar from 16-32, what is that? A storage for ants? Like seriously apps are all HD, contents are all downloadable and scale per update, the OS already eats up 2GB and core files about 500MB which leaves you to your nandroid and backups which take roughly 500-1024MB and it doesn't make sense at all.
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Nevermind, guess we're all f!#kd
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-will-make-34-billion-from-android-in-2013
I could've sworn the patent in question was for MicroSD though

If you would have made this thread last year when people were still making threads about lack of microSD card, I would have directed you to post here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1964080
But since that thread has long been closed, maybe you can just search it for "sd" and "cloud" and see that these conversations have already been had.
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RealiZms said:
Good. I don't need or want one. It doesn't have as much to do with Google's cloud services as it does paying Microsoft $7 for every phone sold with a SD card slot. Why would Google actively support Microsoft?
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Microsoft has there hands in everything. Wouldn't surprise me if they are silent partners in Google, they own 40% apple awhile ago
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Thanks captain obvious.
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While all that does make sense, it still doesn't make sense as to why they build something as preposterous as an 8GB Internal, why not set the bar from 16-32, what is that? A storage for ants? Like seriously apps are all HD, contents are all downloadable and scale per update, the OS already eats up 2GB and core files about 500MB which leaves you to your nandroid and backups which take roughly 500-1024MB and it doesn't make sense at all.
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Actually, the choice made sense to me. Because not everyone needs that much storage. When I bought the N4 I looked at what I actually had been storing on my old phone. Mostly it was pictures. Raw images, unedited, unsorted, many of which would be deleted later when I moved them to my computer and winnowed them.
Clean install of 4.3, I had 5gb available. After setting up 40 apps and doing a nandroid backup I had 3+gb available. I've taken several dozen photos and I still have 3+gb available - because I found I could push them off my phone to my home network server using the foldersync app. I stream music from my server or Play. I can't think of anything meaningful or useful to put in those 3gb.
Everyone's needs differ of course but local storage that is not needed and just adds expense makes no sense to me. my $0.02

Let's not bash the OP, whilst we've all come to terms with our loss, he's still at the stage of anger in the grieving process. Heads up, the bargaining stage is next
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jherbold said:
Actually, the choice made sense to me. Because not everyone needs that much storage. When I bought the N4 I looked at what I actually had been storing on my old phone. Mostly it was pictures. Raw images, unedited, unsorted, many of which would be deleted later when I moved them to my computer and winnowed them.
Clean install of 4.3, I had 5gb available. After setting up 40 apps and doing a nandroid backup I had 3+gb available. I've taken several dozen photos and I still have 3+gb available - because I found I could push them off my phone to my home network server using the foldersync app. I stream music from my server or Play. I can't think of anything meaningful or useful to put in those 3gb.
Everyone's needs differ of course but local storage that is not needed and just adds expense makes no sense to me. my $0.02
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Well, I have no issue with no SD card... If they had all devices with 32/64gb space. I have a 16gb gnex, nexus 4, and a 7, with all my music and apps on, with only one game at a time, I have 2gb free, I rely on the cloud for most of my files and videos, but the second they put out a 64gb nexus phone, even if it was 600$ , I would buy it
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