Can anyone tell me how this works on the wings.
When using Fring you can actually tell it to conect via wifi etc. but what i want to know is does mesenger do it as well or does it go straight to the gprs. Also when you go online via IE. does it default to the GPRS. I dont see anything that says to use the WIFI conection first and it looks like messenger and IE use the GPRS instead even though i have wifi enabled or am i wrong here.
Thanks ahead
By default, all aplications (IE Mobile, Messaging...) use GPRS, 3G (or other cellular network). If WiFi is on and available, all aplications are using WiFi instead of GPRS. (Only Fring has a bit different connection handling)
What Moneytoo said, only sometimes when I enable WiFi on the phone it wont turn off the data connection so I usually do that manually in the connection manager.
When you are discussing the process of connecting to gprs, I will add one question. Is there a posibillity to initiate 3G/GPRS connection without any app? E.G.: When I want to initiate a connection, I have to use some app which initiates it itself. But there are some, which can't handle this - so I have to for example check my e-mail first (altough I don't need it at the moment) and then the connection stays on and I can use second app. The button in conn manager for data connection is disabled, so I can't use it.
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OK thats good to know as i always have the wifi on at home. Just wasnt sure if messenger and IE use it or not as to be honust i dont see any diff. in load speed etc. I would have thought it would work faster via wifi the say gprs.
phailo said:
When you are discussing the process of connecting to gprs, I will add one question. Is there a posibillity to initiate 3G/GPRS connection without any app? E.G.: When I want to initiate a connection, I have to use some app which initiates it itself. But there are some, which can't handle this - so I have to for example check my e-mail first (altough I don't need it at the moment) and then the connection stays on and I can use second app. The button in conn manager for data connection is disabled, so I can't use it.
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Very true, but I notice (and speculate) that you only cannot select enable or disable the Data connection unless you change or add another connection, or the phone is using it. If I wake up in the morning my phone is using data since I have the HTC home screen with its weather application, hit comm mngr and data is grayed out, but once the phone wakes up or I select Wifi and it starts working again the option to disable data comes up.
For me I just load or refresh the weather page and my data is connected, its set to always be on and since my plan is unlimited I dont worry about it.
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OK thats good to know as i always have the wifi on at home. Just wasnt sure if messenger and IE use it or not as to be honust i dont see any diff. in load speed etc. I would have thought it would work faster via wifi the say gprs.
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Depends on what you are loading honestly, a page that your mobile browser has to read, compress resize and modefy to display properly will take time to load while it does all of this regardless of how fast your connection is. Could also depend on what others are using your connection for and if your on the B or G standard. Overall I notice a fairly good increase from using Wifi but I am only on Edge here which caps at about 20kb/s where 3g can get into several Mbits/s
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I have two questions really..
I live in the Netherlands and have an always-on internet subscription... but when I travel abroad I want to do the following:
1) Turn off all data transfer so I don't get charged for things that want to update or whatever
2) Keep the GPS functioning
Using the connections manager, I turned the data connection off, but this didn't work at all. It would just connect through the phone line anyway. I resorted to deleting all the internet settings from the phone which was a difficult, lengthy and frustrating process, and I ahd to put them all back in when I got home.
Also, after I did that, GPS did not work anymore. I could not find a setting anywhere to turn on or off the GPS by itself... is it linked to the data connection? I couldn't actually turn the data connection on in the connection manager when I deleted the settings... I couldn't access the GPS at all from any program unless I had the data connection on, and working. Is that right, and... isn't that weird?
Yes, it's weird. I faced same problem. Solutions?
To totally prevent data connections, you have 2 choices:
1- remove GPRS/3G configuration from provider
or
2- nodata! That's what I use
About the GPS not working while in fligh mode, I turn on bluetooth and then GPs works
or alternatively rename the access point name...
e.g. mine is "orangeinternet" I stick a character in front "xorangeinternet" and thus it fails to connect if you do accidently start up an app that tries to connect.
I know it works for Orange - cant confirm it with other providers but I suspect it will be the same.
Can anyone else on other provider networks confirm?
nodata is quite handy
Nice, I'll try nodata!
The GPS eludes me though.
Use "Advanced Config 3.2" Available on this site.
Menu->More Settings->Connections
You can disable each network connection. does not affect GPS
To use solely the GPS you need to install a specific GPS enabled stand alone software on your phone, such as TomTom or IGO.
Otherwise you will be using a AGPS data connexion which is expensive abroad.
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You can disable each network connection. does not affect GPS
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actually it does... tomtom7 doesn't work if you're in flight mode (no problem with igo8 thou).
So, I had another topic about gprs but now I'd really like to know how to force the wifi over gprs. Also how to disable the gprs without deleting the settings ?
No need to make another thread about the same topic which is one below this one.
Best way I have found is in the comm manager disable the data connection and enable wifi, some things like weather and such have issues using wifi for updates, and sometimes I found texts would not go through on just wifi.
Then when your done disable wifi and trigger the gprs to reconnect, just remember not all applications like to work on wifi.
It doesn't work like that. Eve though I disable data connection and enable wifi (which connects ok), phone still insist of connecting to gprs.
Is this really this stupid thing that I must delete my gprs, which I use daily anyway but which is extremely expensive when traveling to other countries and using it there.
Hello,
on my Diamond, I have e-mail receiving set to "manually" and both weather downloading options unchecked. However, very often, the phone tries to connect to GPRS without asking me for permission. Few days ago, I was playing with my phone, what caused turning off NoData (I dunno why - I have neither turned the Internet profile to "enable" in its settings nor uninstalled NoData). A few moments later, I was VERY suprised to see that.. phone was connected to the GPRS for over 40 minutes! I thought that it'd make my bill like $50 higher. However, it raised my bill for only ~$0,5. I have no idea neither why did it connect nor what did it wanted to do with GPRS connection. Do you have such problems either? What's the matter? How can I fix this so my phone won't want to connect without my demand? Thanks in advance.
NoData should be enough, but I don't know why it reset to enabled if you didn't do this yourself? That said, all it does is toggle some registry settings so perhaps one of the other 'tweak' apps (have you got any installed?) reset the settings...?
Mathew
Yeah, I think that other tweaking apps could make it - that was my first thought. I have Diamond Tweak and Advanced Config installed and I was playing with them, so they could change the settings. My problem though is not to make Diamond unable to connect GPRS - because NoData does everything I want in that matter. I want to know why Diamond wants to connect, while forecast and e-mails checking are off. It'd be great to know that, because maybe then it'd be possible to be sure that (even without NoData) Diamond wouldn't connect to the Internet when we don't want it to do it.
With gprs it's all about the traffic.. the more you download, the more you pay.. I deleted the settings, so it can't connect, even when it wants to.. Only use wifi anyway..
U can enable NoData, but I think it's still possible to manually turn on the connection. NoData won't work then, unless you re-enable and softreset..
djind - oh man, I know how does GPRS work and what do I pay for..
I'll repeat once again, cause I think not everyone got this right. I want to know, WHY does Diamond want to connect to GPRS if it DOESN'T want to download forecast or e-mails. I'd love to have no situations with Diamond trying to connect - without NoData, without deleting settings. Just NO CONNECTING without my CLEAR DEMAND.
Then, please tell me what can make my Diamond want to connect.
You said u were playing around, so opening a page or checking and immediately unchecking weather download or any program using gprs would trigger the connection.. or mayme by accident pressed something..
It's done like that to increase your phone company's income
How about disabling the gprs auto-attachment option found in diamindtweak (or was it advanced config)
Just delete the setting if nothing work, and use wifi...
I actually have unlimited 3G service, so i don't really care if it stayed connected or not (and battery is not really a issue for me..)
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How about disabling the gprs auto-attachment option found in diamindtweak (or was it advanced config)
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That's not going to help in this instance. Disabling auto-attachment merely stops the phone resgistering itself as a GPRS-enabled device with the network until it actually requires a data connection to be established. Hence, as soon as the OP's 'rogue app' requests a connection it will get one.
Tigrowski, sorry for the confusion - I was specifically answering your question of how to stop the phone connecting without your demand. I am not aware of an app that could identify this rogue app, but perhaps if you find a packet sniffer that'd give you some clues (i.e. from where the traffic is going, ports etc and, if using cleartext ASCII the actual data being sent).
All said and done though, I think you'd be better of just relying on NoData to put the barrier up as even when you've identified the rogue app you might not be able to make it behave. Besides which there'll likely be another one round the corner wanting to connect when it feels like it! (that was one of the reasons behind why NoData was developed, particularly for roaming users given the significant financial impact of out-of-control network-enabled apps)
Mathew
P.S. It's not QuickGPS periodically downloading almanac data is it? (check the setting as this can be controlled, although it should only be doing so weekly anyway)
A silly question by a new user: how is it possible to stop an internet or data connection (no matter if hsdpa, edge, gprs) once started?
Thanks
use 'long key press' in settings, can be set to disconnect a data connection (sdpa, edge, gprs)
Use this program:
http://rapidshare.com/files/173250379/GPRS...onnect.CAB.html
The connection stop after 1 minutes of inactivity
jack1985 said:
Use this program:
http://rapidshare.com/files/173250379/GPRS...onnect.CAB.html
The connection stop after 1 minutes of inactivity
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faulty url!
take this one:
GB-SOFT GPRS-UMTS_Tweak_WM6.1_Diamond
there you can choose the idle-time for disconnect
Anyway the manual stopping mode is to tap the bar that is on the top of the sceen...than tap the G E 3G or U icon and so you can tap disconnect.
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Anyway the manual stopping mode is to tap the bar that is on the top of the sceen...than tap the G E 3G or U icon and so you can tap disconnect.
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Cool, also in stead of holding the end call button, wich locks the phone in my case,
Dubbelclicking the end call button alse ends my edge connection.
In order for your end key to stop the connection, you have to go to Settings>System>Long Press End Key>Select Terminate data connection
Then when you press and hold your end key, it will end the connection
if you prefer to stop internetconnection by shortcut, try VJKeyPress.exe 126
this one toggles internet connection
i've searched and i've searched and i cant find the resolve!
after retrieving hotmail, the connection stays active, meaning bars are lit up. for HOURS after unless i long-press-end key or something like that. even when i am surfing the web, after a page is fully loaded, the bars stay lit. on my old diamond, the bars used to go gray or "dormant" etc. therefore no tweaks i have found help (i.e. most operate with this rule "if the connection is dormant/inactive for xx minutes, turn off data" etc. well my connection remains ACTIVE unless i manually intervene)
what is causing this??? i only have spb mobile shell and spb phone suite installed. stock ROM.
hello? anyone? NO one is having the same issue or can help with this??? at this point i'd even be happy with a rude comment about how i should learn how to search coupled with a few links to threads which contain the answers! :\
I'm not sure I understand your question.
You're saying the connection stays alive after using mail or opera?
By default, WMo does not turn off data connection, so once you've made a data connection, it stays on.
Now, there are lots of programs out there that turns off data connection after a pre-set time. If you have Advanced Config on your Diamond, it's somewhere in there as well (I use SKTools and not Advacned Config so I can't point you exactly where, but it's there)
That said, many have tested battery drain and find that leaving the data connection ON or OFF makes absolutely no difference on the battery drain. It's only when you're transmitting data that drains more battery. Not sure if that's where you're coming from to want to turn off data connection
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I'm not sure I understand your question.
You're saying the connection stays alive after using mail or opera?
By default, WMo does not turn off data connection, so once you've made a data connection, it stays on.
Now, there are lots of programs out there that turns off data connection after a pre-set time. If you have Advanced Config on your Diamond, it's somewhere in there as well (I use SKTools and not Advacned Config so I can't point you exactly where, but it's there)
That said, many have tested battery drain and find that leaving the data connection ON or OFF makes absolutely no difference on the battery drain. It's only when you're transmitting data that drains more battery. Not sure if that's where you're coming from to want to turn off data connection
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number16, my savior! i'll try to explain as best i can: when the data connection is started/being used, those left-right arrows appear above the signal strength, correct? what i call "active" is when those arrows are lit (presumably when data is actually being transferred). what i call "dormant" is when the arrows are still there but are gray/not lit (i.e. connection is still open, but not currently transferring data). well, up until a 2 wks ago, all seemed fine - the arrows would briefly stay lit when downloading a page, connecting to hotmail, etc, but then would go gray once the transfer was complete. now however, the arrows stay lit. sometimes for hours at a time even tho nothing is running, no data (that i know of) is being transferred, etc.
so what i was saying is that, yes, i know i can long-press-end key to shut it down, but that only works if i notice it otherwise it's just draining my battery. (most times it is in my pocket, and since it checks hotmail periodically, the data connection may open and stay on without me noticing). and yes, i know about advanced config setting (and actually, i DO have it set to turn off after a minute) BUT that only applies if "connection is not active for more than a minute". i.e. since my whole problem is that my data connection technically stays active, that advanced config setting doesnt work.
so my question is, what is keeping the connection active? why is it doing this? i am running stock ROM and only have spb mobile shell and spb phone suite loaded. and a few other minor tweaks via advanced config/regedit. i even tried spb wireless monitor to see what was active after a data transfer was complete (as far as i could tell) but it didnt really tell me anything.
does all that make sense?
thanks for any help you can provide...
hello,
I have just purchased the new TD 2, it is the first phone of this kind that I use (up till now I have only used Nokia Business phones)
Although I considered myself a person that knows his way around how to use a mobile phone, I was surprised to actually be forced to read the manual for the HTC TD2 - unfortunately the information in the manual is general and did not help me at all...
ok so here are the problems I hit:
1. For internet access I have activated "Vodafone Live!" packet with my network (Vodafone) - (internet works fine with no probs)
However, whenever I am near a Wi-Fi zone I would like to use that Wi-Fi signal to connect to the internet and NOT my "Vodafone Live!" setting.
I could find NO way to select how to use Wi-Fi and not the other preset network. (As far as I can see the phone still uses Vodafone Live! and not the Wi-Fi, although I previously manually connected to the Wi-Fi and I tested on my other phone that it is working...)
2. With my other business phone (nokia) whenever I stop using the internet page the phone disconnects (the 2 arrows disappear) but with TD2 I have the impression that even when I exit from Opera or IE the phone still remains connected somehow to the internet - how can I make it disconnect and not use the battery for no reason ?
The only way I found to manually disconnect it is going to START / Settings / Communications / the Push Data Connection button to OFF.
Is there any automatic way to do that whenever I quit the browser?
Thank you in advance for u`r help
ahile said:
hello,
I have just purchased the new TD 2, it is the first phone of this kind that I use (up till now I have only used Nokia Business phones)
Although I considered myself a person that knows his way around how to use a mobile phone, I was surprised to actually be forced to read the manual for the HTC TD2 - unfortunately the information in the manual is general and did not help me at all...
ok so here are the problems I hit:
1. For internet access I have activated "Vodafone Live!" packet with my network (Vodafone) - (internet works fine with no probs)
However, whenever I am near a Wi-Fi zone I would like to use that Wi-Fi signal to connect to the internet and NOT my "Vodafone Live!" setting.
I could find NO way to select how to use Wi-Fi and not the other preset network. (As far as I can see the phone still uses Vodafone Live! and not the Wi-Fi, although I previously manually connected to the Wi-Fi and I tested on my other phone that it is working...)
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The Touch Diamond 2 will use an active WIFI connection over your Vodafone Live! connection. If you are wanting to connect to a Public WIFI zone, then simply select the WIFI connection that you want from you list on the "Connect to Wi-Fi network" screen.
ahile said:
2. With my other business phone (nokia) whenever I stop using the internet page the phone disconnects (the 2 arrows disappear) but with TD2 I have the impression that even when I exit from Opera or IE the phone still remains connected somehow to the internet - how can I make it disconnect and not use the battery for no reason ?
The only way I found to manually disconnect it is going to START / Settings / Communications / the Push Data Connection button to OFF.
Is there any automatic way to do that whenever I quit the browser?
Thank you in advance for u`r help
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If this really bothers you there are applications dotted around here on XDA devs that will automaticaly disconnect your internet connection after a preset amount of time. That said though, just because the TD2 has a connection to the internet, does not mean that it is transmitting any data and does not use up any of your internet allowance and also it will not drain your battery that much.
Thank you very much for the explanations and u`r time!
Regarding the first problem above that is good news, although I don’t like it that I don’t have full control over it.
for example I’m going abroad next week for 10 days and I rly don’t want to use the Vodafone live! option as it will cost as hell
an option where I could be prompted and asked if I want it enabled or not - would have been great...
guess ill just delete it from the connections tab and reinstall it when I get back in my country - seems to be the only safe option.
One more thing,
Whenever I try to access a video-clip over the internet (using the IE not the Opera) the phone automatically directs to the program STREAMING VIDEOS program)
And here the clip ONLY works if I select to connect over “THE INTERNET” – why ??
For example if I go to Streaming Videos / Networks, I can find the following:
Vodafone Live!
Vodafone MMS
Mobile internet
My Work Network
My ISP
Work
Secure Wap Network
The Wap Network
The internet
What the heck are all those ??? I only know of “Vodafone Live!” - and the straming video does not work when I select it … it only works when I select THE internet (like I said above)
Ah, if you are going abroad or just anywhere that you don't want to use Vodafone Live!, there is a little application called "NoData" which allows you to toggle your data connections on/off.
Will edit this post once I find where it is again.
[edit] Here it is:
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/
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As for streaming videos, I've never used it so can't say.
Graffen said:
Ah, if you are going abroad or just anywhere that you don't want to use Vodafone Live!, there is a little application called "NoData" which allows you to toggle your data connections on/off.
Will edit this post once I find where it is again.
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http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/
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As for streaming videos, I've never used it so can't say.
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Indeed, NoData is a handy tool.
What you can also use is the following one found on XDA-devs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=503131
It will automatically turn off your data connection when you're not on your standard network.
It isn't perfect, but it works well and the developer is really listening to all suggestions and very active.
you guys are a pice of heaven
thank you again for all u`r help
question, this program NoData, also stops Wi-Fi data transfers or just network ?
thank you
NoData will only stop phone network connections. You will be able to use wifi as normal.