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WM 7 or Android on Diamond?

Have I understod correctly that if I buy a Diamond now (or rather Pro when available), I can possibly instal either WM 7 or Android on it? I understand that we do not know what the HW requirements for either are, and that it might prevent this. If this is possible, then where could I get the ROM's? I mean, does HTC or MS provide WM 7 updates? Or are they hacked? Android, being open, is probably available (same HW requirements) at some point, right?

Nobody can tell you if WM7 or Android will work fine on the Touch Diamond.
It is not unlikely that WM7 will work fine. Regarding Android, wait and see... since it is some sort of semi-open project, you might find a very well adapted version of it at some point if some people take care of it. You will definitely not see Android from HTC for the Diamond.
Regarding the WM7 update availability:
WM7 will not be released before next year. It is not unlikely that by this time HTC will have released or announced another PPC (with WM7 running). This makes it less likely that HTC will provide a WM7 update for the Touch Diamond or Pro.
However, developers here might put a WM7 rom together once they get hold of it. Another scenario might be that the Touch Diamond / Touch Pro are so extraordinarily successful that HTC might provide an official upgrade (but charging for the new OS).

Not a lot of the evidence doesn't seem dissonant to negating the lie that it is not not unlikely.

99% chance that WM7 will work on diamond.
It works on lower specs, a Touch dual, 400MHz with 128MB Ram, while the diamond has 528MHz with 192 Ram.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RY-q8k2RRI
http://www.wmexperts.com/articleimages/2008/04/Picture 3-14.jpg

There's a 99% chance that video is complete a fabrication too: ad systems are rarely the "real" system... For all I can tell that can just be a full screen jpg.

Yes HTCDiamond22, but it's still gotta have support for the hardware :}
Hopefully Android will work, we'll just have to wait and see

well in the vid it seems to be working fully, not just a picture. i think that ms also said somewhere that although the requirements will be higher, it will work on some older hardware

waiting on Android-news... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002

Windows Mobile 6.5 and 7

I’d like to know if you’ll be able to upgrade your present phone from 6.1 to 6.5 and then later 7? I’ve just bought my Touch Diamond and will be using it for atleast 2 years, would be a shame if I couldnt upgrade the OS when it comes out…

Kind of like asking how long is a piece of string??? Considering no one really knows what hardware specification will be required to run either WinMo 6.5 or WinMo 7... IMHO I would say that WinMo 6.5 highly possible (Tread in Diamond ROM section with an apparently leaked version, although not for the Touch Diamond) , WinMo 7 only Micro$oft will be able to answer that one???

windows mobile is made for a specific phone... drivers, enhancements, everything. if they decide to provide us with an upgrade, we get an upgrade. if a device VERY similar to ours has it, we *might* be able to use it too. beyond that, you can't go to the store and buy it, so we're really at the mercy of everybody else involved.

According to some of the teaser details already released about Windows Mobile 7, it will likely require a capacitive screen, and the G1 is the only phone by HTC to use one so far.

We don't really know much about WM7 though. That teaser info that was released quite a while ago hinted at possible gesture recognition, multitouch, etc., but I think that release was as much marketing ploy as anything else.
I doubt that WM7 will require a capacitive screen, although I would expect that it will support them. There are a number of reasons not to ditch resistive screens. Fine detail can't be input on a capacitive screen, which causes numerous problems. Complex alphabets (Asian), legacy support for existing applications, cost... the list goes on, but requiring capacitive screens would essentially erase the entire foundation that WM is built on. I don't think MS wants to do that. The great thing about WM (and MS vs Apple in general) is that they don't tie you to one piece of hardware. You have much greater flexibility in terms of cost, features, form-factor, etc.
I was hoping for WM7 this year, but now that most announcements put WM6.5 devices at Q3-Q4, it seems highly doubtful we'll see a WM7 device until at least mid 2010. By that time I'll be ready for a new device anyway (Tegra, new Qualcomm/AMD chipset, who knows), so the issue is almost moot. I'm with you though, I'd still like to see WM7 on the Diamond/Pro/HD!

Does the Diamond have the technology to run WM7?

As the title states does the Diamond have the CPU, memory and technology to run Windows Mobile 7?
I mean a 528MHz CPU is pretty fast.

Who knows?
Seeing as nobody really knows what WinMo7 will include (software or hardware), it's difficult to answer that one. If multi-touch is more than just a rumour, then the answer is 'no', as the Diamond has a resistive screen, not capacitive, which is needed for multi-touch.
Also, HTC are talking about using different processors (nVidia I think?)... any change in hardware, makes it even less likely that we'll be able to run the OS on our current devices.
Personally, I would be pretty pissed at Microsoft if todays' devices have the hardware to run 'tomorrows' OS. What I want is a giant leap forward, not a small step! But, I am talking about Microsoft, so my expectations are low!

yeah, microsoft is always a step behind in keeping technology and software in sync. usually the software lags behind the hardware, and it always seems like they use the processors to near capacity anyway when they do develop something, to make up for not having it before...
i.e., microsoft voice command, which came out way after nokia did theirs, and not as good either, etc.
I"m guessing that winmo 7 will use almost the maximum capacity of whatever device comes out at that time.

grahamkdt said:
Seeing as nobody really knows what WinMo7 will include (software or hardware), it's difficult to answer that one. If multi-touch is more than just a rumour, then the answer is 'no', as the Diamond has a resistive screen, not capacitive, which is needed for multi-touch.
Also, HTC are talking about using different processors (nVidia I think?)... any change in hardware, makes it even less likely that we'll be able to run the OS on our current devices.
Personally, I would be pretty pissed at Microsoft if todays' devices have the hardware to run 'tomorrows' OS. What I want is a giant leap forward, not a small step! But, I am talking about Microsoft, so my expectations are low!
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Yah I guess when you put it that way, it makes sense. I probably won't want WM7 to run on my diamond.

Well WM7 on today's hardware is maybe called WinMo 6.5
This would be a great marketing if MS will use WM7 skin in WM6.5 but almost everything will be the same as 6.1.
So users with today's hardware will get new today screen.
And WM7 will get new HW.
Seems simple.

Previously the devices have had the power for upgrade.
My blueangel originally ran WM2003, It's been upgraded to WM5, WM6 and finally WM6.1....
So the optimism for the huge leap forward thing is somewhat lacking in my part. If my old blue angel can happily keep pace with the same software my diamond is running.
I'm not sure how MS will manage with multitouch.....It was on the news today that apple have finally been granted a patent on it and that they are about to start sueing other devices which are using it.....
Might sadly mean no multitouch for PPC...but we'll see.

will windows mobile 6.5 be officially for tytn 2

will windows mobile 6.5 be released officially for tytn2

what makes you think it will for the tytn ii

lufc said:
what makes you think it will for the tytn ii
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He didn't say it will be, he asked if it will be, as if anyone around here would know that.

sorry missread that thanks for pulling me up

doesn't matter, we'll rip it out of another device that updates first or get a good leaked version anyway. That's how it always seems to work at XDA.

and that seems a dam good way for xda to work and keep us all happy

Before this thread gets locked for being pointless. Micro$oft just releases WM 6.5. It is not written for any phone or with any phone or manufacturer in mind. It is HTC that decides which phones they will write new roms for, and whether or not they will include WM 6.5 in the new rom.
And it is the carriers that decide whether to ask HTC to write a new rom for them that includes 6.5 . Micro$oft can release 6.5, HTC can write a rom with it included, then ultimately, in my case , it is AT$T who decides whether it will ever see a Tilt.
Most of those descisions are based on the fact that AT$T wants you to buy a new phone, this does not happen if they keep supporting old phones.

Good job, denco7, that should answer the question.

Anyway, WM 6.5 is too buggy for the moment, and I really do not like the beehive interface. We currently have PIE 6 and M2D and works fine on Kaiser.
HTC will not care to dedicate one minute to such and old device. They have released several models after Kaiser and will be announcing more models this week at MWC. They are following the old policy of "if you want a better or fixed firmware, purchase a new device".

i agree the copy of wm 6.5 is a bit buggy but when the final is released i am sure cookers will make great roms out of it

6.5 is too buggy ? Where did you get a copy to test ? The cooked roms here have a leaked kernel which they are using as the base of a cooked Kaiser rom. It makes me laugh when people get " leaked " versions or " hacked " versions and then come out with an overall asessment of the product.
Final versions of things usually have a lot of security around them, preproduction or discontinued projects do not. These are the ones that usually get " leaked. "
It would be like if Ferarri dropped a little 4cyl motor in a predroduction car just to be able to drive it in to the wind tunnel for testing, then some one leaks out " oh my, the new Ferrari's suck, they are way under powered with only 4cyl engines ....."
While we have been conditioned not to expect much from Micro$oft, I don't think the 6.5 we have is the 6.5 we are going to get as an official release.

denco7 said:
Before this thread gets locked for being pointless. Micro$oft just releases WM 6.5. It is not written for any phone or with any phone or manufacturer in mind. It is HTC that decides which phones they will write new roms for, and whether or not they will include WM 6.5 in the new rom.
And it is the carriers that decide whether to ask HTC to write a new rom for them that includes 6.5 . Micro$oft can release 6.5, HTC can write a rom with it included, then ultimately, in my case , it is AT$T who decides whether it will ever see a Tilt.
Most of those descisions are based on the fact that AT$T wants you to buy a new phone, this does not happen if they keep supporting old phones.
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HTC’s Touch Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2, announced today, will be upgradeable to Windows Mobile 6.5. New enhanced contact integration combined with new Internet capabilities deliver a people-centric approach to mobile communication. HTC’s Touch Diamond 2 features TouchFLO 3D, a sleek and compact design with a large 3.2-inch high-resolution wide-screen display, while HTC Touch Pro 2 introduces one of the best-ever mobile productivity experiences on a phone highlighted by HTC’s new Straight Talk technology, an integrated e-mail, voice and speakerphone experience.

maybe this thread was written before mine and I just didn't see it... oops. Ok, so htc probably won't make one for the tilt and really don't like that, but there's always really great, reliable roms on here so I'm sure it will be fine. Besides, not buying a new phone any time soon. I don't have any money and plus the stupid phone that htc made to replace the tilt (help me here guys?) took a step backwards and lost any form of tilt functionality, which if ya ask me, was a huge advantage over other devices. So yea.

I believe the HTC Touch Pro2 (which they just announced at MWC) tilts. and is sexy mcsexy.

A.B.C. said:
I believe the HTC Touch Pro2 (which they just announced at MWC) tilts. and is sexy mcsexy.
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Yes it tilts. In all sense and purpose it seems to be the successor to the Kaiser.

azuka said:
Yes it tilts. In all sense and purpose it seems to be the successor to the Kaiser.
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lol, yea. I saw that a few hours after I wrote that! lol.

WM 6.5 is not planned to be released for any currently available device.
engadgetmobile.com[/URL] said:
Microsoft Announces Windows Mobile 6.5
With an endless chain of leaks dating back several months, the suspense factor might not be there that Microsoft had been hoping for -- but for what it's worth, Windows Mobile 6.5 is now official. The latest rendition of Microsoft's mobile platform puts an emphasis on touch-friendliness with a honeycomb-style main menu that the company says is easier to finger than a traditional grid layout; a new lock screen that can be slid on different alerts to automatically call up texts, voicemails, and so on; a thoroughly-restyled cut of Internet Explorer Mobile that features a touchable zoom slider and frequently-used commands; redesigned menus that don't need a stylus to actuate; fingerable home and contacts screens, and more. It's not the thorough gutting of the platform many were hoping for, but for anyone thinking that Windows Mobile 6.1 can stand another facelift without ending up looking like Joan Rivers, 6.5's clearly your baby. Sadly, Microsoft's saying that no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates, but don't pull out your wallets just yet, though -- the first devices with Windows Mobile 6.5 preinstalled should be available in the fourth quarter of the year.
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MS Sucks! Unfortunately!
Even Apple which is quite money grubbing gave out the iphone upgrade to the original iphone buyers. Why - good public relations: Give the software, but say "Sorry, the best stuff won't work unless you buy the NEW phone".
People who get the upgrade will say "That's nice of Apple. Next time I upgrade, I'll stick with the iPhone!"
The TyTN II is not an ancient phone (not new, but not ancient). C'mon MS - if the great guys here at xda-developers can make your software work on the TyTN II, then it surely shouldn't be so difficult for you.
You really need to encourage people to stick with you otherwise - Hello Blackberry, iPhone and Pre! (yea the last one really rocks!)

aditseng said:
Even Apple which is quite money grubbing gave out the iphone upgrade to the original iphone buyers. Why - good public relations: Give the software, but say "Sorry, the best stuff won't work unless you buy the NEW phone".
People who get the upgrade will say "That's nice of Apple. Next time I upgrade, I'll stick with the iPhone!"
The TyTN II is not an ancient phone (not new, but not ancient). C'mon MS - if the great guys here at xda-developers can make your software work on the TyTN II, then it surely shouldn't be so difficult for you.
You really need to encourage people to stick with you otherwise - Hello Blackberry, iPhone and Pre! (yea the last one really rocks!)
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It's called "Forced Progress Through Planned Obsolecence". For all intents and purposes Windows 2000 Professional Edition is plenty adequate for today's needs, and XP RTM was just basically W2k SP2+Luna+newer device support. Windows 2000, while perfectly adequate for 99.9% of needs, (OK, no directX 9c or 10.1), has reached EoL, and is no longer supported by MS. Windows XP will soon meet a similar fate, even though it is adequate for most businuss and conusumer needs. I have personally installed XP on a P1 166 o/ced to 200Mhz with 256MB of RAM. It worked fine as a workstation OS on such limited hardware, but forget about gaming. Try to install Vista on a computer with less then a 1Ghz processor and 1GB of RAM, and you're going to be wishing you never heard of Vista. Vista isn't even truly "usable" unless you have a reletivly modern machine. (2.0Ghz+ processor, 2GB+ PC3200 DDR RAM, 7200RPM HDD with at least 30GB available for OS+basic applications.
Yes, I do realize that XP Home was a significant improvment over Win9x; which most consumers were using at that time. Still the jump from Windows 2000 Professional SP2 to Windows XP Professional RTM was a miniscule improvement at best. Heck, Windows XP (even SP1), isn't very secure. All you need is a Win2k installation CD, and you can get administrator access to Windows XP RTM and SP1 just by booting into the recovery console and simply pressing enter when it asks for the administrative password. BTW, Windows XP will reach EoL for mainstream support during of April 2009, and new security patches will be issued until April 2014. After that date, Windows XP will reach EoL, even though it will remain a perfectly usable OS. It has always been the driving force behind the commercial IT industry, and it will continue to be for the forseeable future.

k-semler said:
It's called "Forced Progress Through Planned Obsolecence". For all intents and purposes Windows 2000 Professional Edition is plenty adequate for today's needs, and XP RTM was just basically W2k SP2+Luna+newer device support. Windows 2000, while perfectly adequate for 99.9% of needs, (OK, no directX 9c or 10.1), has reached EoL, and is no longer supported by MS. Windows XP will soon meet a similar fate, even though it is adequate for most businuss and conusumer needs. I have personally installed XP on a P1 166 o/ced to 200Mhz with 256MB of RAM. It worked fine as a workstation OS on such limited hardware, but forget about gaming. Try to install Vista on a computer with less then a 1Ghz processor and 1GB of RAM, and you're going to be wishing you never heard of Vista. Vista isn't even truly "usable" unless you have a reletivly modern machine. (2.0Ghz+ processor, 2GB+ PC3200 DDR RAM, 7200RPM HDD with at least 30GB available for OS+basic applications.
Yes, I do realize that XP Home was a significant improvment over Win9x; which most consumers were using at that time. Still the jump from Windows 2000 Professional SP2 to Windows XP Professional RTM was a miniscule improvement at best. Heck, Windows XP (even SP1), isn't very secure. All you need is a Win2k installation CD, and you can get administrator access to Windows XP RTM and SP1 just by booting into the recovery console and simply pressing enter when it asks for the administrative password. BTW, Windows XP will reach EoL for mainstream support during of April 2009, and new security patches will be issued until April 2014. After that date, Windows XP will reach EoL, even though it will remain a perfectly usable OS. It has always been the driving force behind the commercial IT industry, and it will continue to be for the forseeable future.
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^ I agree. However this is only after maybe 2 years, maybe, and is only being done out of stubborn greed and douche baggery.

Windows Mobile 7

Does anyone know when will MS launch this version of OS ? Really would like to test on it or see how does it looks like..

If I understood it right, is the OS still under development. So you will probably not see much from it untill next year.. I guess

jea in half 2010 is release... win7 mobile vs iphone
it will be f**king good

Microsoft will start sending builds to OEMs to begin testing in Q1 2010. WM7 will be released in Q3 2010. I expect to see builds out sometime in Q1....however, I'm not too sure these builds will run on anything presently out besides the HTC HD2 because the CE kernel would have been recompiled for ARMv7 cores.

and that will be great. what is coming out from iphone next year to fightfwith android 2.0 and winmo7 ... and ppl will start porting their hd2 to android 2.0 and then to winmo7... lol

In the first place X1 probably can't support WM7

doesnt the 6.5.1 need to be released first?

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and that will be great. what is coming out from iphone next year to fightfwith android 2.0 and winmo7 ... and ppl will start porting their hd2 to android 2.0 and then to winmo7... lol
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Don't forget a few years ago when Ballmer laughed at the iPhone...
I'm not buying one but I would never underestimate the competition whether I was MS, Apple or whoever.

Latests news of wm7 I read is q3 2010 too bad really

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In the first place X1 probably can't support WM7
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why ? where did u get this info ?

Thought I read somewhere b4 that WM7 would require a motion sensor, which X1 doesn't have. But well, I could be wrong.

I think it will be available for xperia, saw a advertisment of the wm 7 on youtube lol guess which phone popped up? x1

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why ? where did u get this info ?
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It's a very technical requirement.
The Windows CE kernel, very integral part of Windows Mobile, is being compiled for ARMv7 for Windows Mobile 7 (thought to be based on CE6.0 or CE7.0). Currently Windows Mobile 6/6.1/6.5, the CE (CE 5.X) kernel is compiled for ARMv6 which runs on many chipsets today (Qualcomm 720X for example).
ARMv7 architectures (ie. Snapdragon, Cortex A8, NVIDIA Tegra) are backwards compatible with ARMv6 which is why the HTC Touch HD2 (Snapdragon) can run Windows Mobile 6.5. However, ARMv6 architectures (X1, TP1/2, Touch HD, etc) are not compatible with ARMv7 code (missing/different instructions).
So unless a very smart cook can somehow recompile code (need the source code) or combine different parts, there will be no WM7 for any current windows mobile device besides the HTC HD2.

x1 didn't get wm6.5 officially if it will get wm7 which will prob not be out until a year from now don't expect it to come from official sources.....

Min requirements for WM7 is 1Ghz CPU (actually because of the instruction set), but also G-sensor and compass. HD2 maybe. Xperia no way.

Well you say processors like Tegre will be able to run WM 7, but i checken and Tegra is still ARM v6...
Anybody has any real source saying Wm 7 will be only for ARMv7?
As for G-semsor multitouch and sucks, that is all softwere, you can turn this things off, so apat from procesor, nothing else matters for WM7 to run X1, onl ARM v6 code is needed, all else can be done by cooking.

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Hello,
I am brisschris.I am new to this site,but I’ve enjoyed posting in your forums.Microsoft confirmed that it is planning for Windows 7 to hit retail shelves and start showing up on new PCs on October 22.To reach that milestone, Microsoft plans to wrap up development of the operating system by the middle or end of next month.The tech guarantee program is not beginning immediately, but Microsoft did raise the possibility it will offer some sort of lower-cost upgrade to those who are already using Windows Vista.it is "Depending on when we do it there will be the associated accounting for it".
Thank you very much and Stay connected with me.
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Uh.... we're talking about Windows Mobile 7, not Windows 7.

Come on Guys!
Please dont speculate about things there was lightyears ahead. Wait untill the time will come. We dont have seen WinMo 6.5 official on X1 yet, therefore we think about other things, which atm is morge important.
with best reguards.
sorry for my poor english

Well lightyears ahead you say, but i am certain i will have WM 7 on Xperia in abaut 3 months XDA does miracles

Certainly the most x1 user will it and im sure that the devs find a way to port it on x1. But except a few screenshots no specification of WinMo 7 was published. Therefore hope that the x1 get an official 6.5 Update. I think, this will reveal the way to WM7.