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My question is this..(I have never had a Winmo device so excuse my ignorance)
Will this phone be able to support WinMo7 when it is released?
Also, will HTC support it with a new touchflo thing?
or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?
Considering that WinMo 6.1 is only just being released with this phone - I doubt anyone could tell you whether the next OS is going to be supported on it or not with any certainty - it's not finalised yet!
That said, if any phone is going to be WinMo 7 compatible, this will - it's the most advanced phone to date and has every feature possible.
"or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?"
most reports seem to indicate that even when wm7 is released around Q2 2009
older devices with wm6.1 will continue to function
and not spontaneous combust
I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO
TDO said:
I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO
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Hmmm. But Microsoft can virtualise multi-touch.
Of course this is pure speculation but given their pattern, If HTC sells as many Diamonds as they are expecting, I can see them putting some effort into a Windows Mobile 7 upgrade rom as they did with upgrading the original touch over other more recent devices. With that really depends on what kind of upgrade path Microsoft makes for the devices and if it's even doable, if Windows Mobile 7 lives upto what everyone is saying about it, may need to upgrade to a device specifically designed for it.
For me the Touch Diamond is the last step to reaching the perfect device. Has everything I've wanted, small form factor, good amount of program memory, all the necessary features, better screen with VGA. Only thing that could make it better is an even better (capacitive) screen with a higher resolution and of course, a much better more updated front end operating system, ala Windows Mobile 7.
i think this device will not support winmo7 bcoz have new technologies.. and honestly, this device IS NOT SUPERB. just a faster processor, a lot of memory and gps stuff. the same thing as older ones
who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not
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who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not
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that would be suicide for them if they did. I heard a rumor that WinMo7 will be multitouch also !
M$ has stated in 2009 they will come out with Window$ Mobile 6.5. I think that only devices that were shipped from the orginal launch date with 6.1 will be upgradable to 6.5 free from Sprint perhaps. Much in the same way that the Touch went from 6.0 to 6.1. I do not think the touch will get 6.5 as it was shipped from launch with 6.0.
My views:
- yes, the next step is 6.5, not 7, so no need to be doing plans on wm7 for the Touch Diamond at the moment.
- Which 'touch' are you talking about? If it's the Touch Diamond, it has been released from the very beginning with 6.1 on it, not 6.0.
- It's hard to say whether or not HTC will provide us with an official upgrade to 6.5, their policy is so unpredictable and not always sensible...
(remember what happened to European users of P3600...)
- I don't see any reason (except a processor major change as hinted in the post above) why Diamond would not be compatible.
- as far as I know, wm7 is designed to provide old phones with as many new features as possible.
Example: they even think of a work around for phones without accelerometr to sense motions using the built in camera.
- this doesn't mean old phones will be able to get the most out of wm7 new technologies, such as multitouch. But they will be using what their hardware allow them to.
I’d like to know if you’ll be able to upgrade your present phone from 6.1 to 6.5 and then later 7? I’ve just bought my Touch Diamond and will be using it for atleast 2 years, would be a shame if I couldnt upgrade the OS when it comes out…
Kind of like asking how long is a piece of string??? Considering no one really knows what hardware specification will be required to run either WinMo 6.5 or WinMo 7... IMHO I would say that WinMo 6.5 highly possible (Tread in Diamond ROM section with an apparently leaked version, although not for the Touch Diamond) , WinMo 7 only Micro$oft will be able to answer that one???
windows mobile is made for a specific phone... drivers, enhancements, everything. if they decide to provide us with an upgrade, we get an upgrade. if a device VERY similar to ours has it, we *might* be able to use it too. beyond that, you can't go to the store and buy it, so we're really at the mercy of everybody else involved.
According to some of the teaser details already released about Windows Mobile 7, it will likely require a capacitive screen, and the G1 is the only phone by HTC to use one so far.
We don't really know much about WM7 though. That teaser info that was released quite a while ago hinted at possible gesture recognition, multitouch, etc., but I think that release was as much marketing ploy as anything else.
I doubt that WM7 will require a capacitive screen, although I would expect that it will support them. There are a number of reasons not to ditch resistive screens. Fine detail can't be input on a capacitive screen, which causes numerous problems. Complex alphabets (Asian), legacy support for existing applications, cost... the list goes on, but requiring capacitive screens would essentially erase the entire foundation that WM is built on. I don't think MS wants to do that. The great thing about WM (and MS vs Apple in general) is that they don't tie you to one piece of hardware. You have much greater flexibility in terms of cost, features, form-factor, etc.
I was hoping for WM7 this year, but now that most announcements put WM6.5 devices at Q3-Q4, it seems highly doubtful we'll see a WM7 device until at least mid 2010. By that time I'll be ready for a new device anyway (Tegra, new Qualcomm/AMD chipset, who knows), so the issue is almost moot. I'm with you though, I'd still like to see WM7 on the Diamond/Pro/HD!
As the title states does the Diamond have the CPU, memory and technology to run Windows Mobile 7?
I mean a 528MHz CPU is pretty fast.
Who knows?
Seeing as nobody really knows what WinMo7 will include (software or hardware), it's difficult to answer that one. If multi-touch is more than just a rumour, then the answer is 'no', as the Diamond has a resistive screen, not capacitive, which is needed for multi-touch.
Also, HTC are talking about using different processors (nVidia I think?)... any change in hardware, makes it even less likely that we'll be able to run the OS on our current devices.
Personally, I would be pretty pissed at Microsoft if todays' devices have the hardware to run 'tomorrows' OS. What I want is a giant leap forward, not a small step! But, I am talking about Microsoft, so my expectations are low!
yeah, microsoft is always a step behind in keeping technology and software in sync. usually the software lags behind the hardware, and it always seems like they use the processors to near capacity anyway when they do develop something, to make up for not having it before...
i.e., microsoft voice command, which came out way after nokia did theirs, and not as good either, etc.
I"m guessing that winmo 7 will use almost the maximum capacity of whatever device comes out at that time.
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Seeing as nobody really knows what WinMo7 will include (software or hardware), it's difficult to answer that one. If multi-touch is more than just a rumour, then the answer is 'no', as the Diamond has a resistive screen, not capacitive, which is needed for multi-touch.
Also, HTC are talking about using different processors (nVidia I think?)... any change in hardware, makes it even less likely that we'll be able to run the OS on our current devices.
Personally, I would be pretty pissed at Microsoft if todays' devices have the hardware to run 'tomorrows' OS. What I want is a giant leap forward, not a small step! But, I am talking about Microsoft, so my expectations are low!
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Yah I guess when you put it that way, it makes sense. I probably won't want WM7 to run on my diamond.
Well WM7 on today's hardware is maybe called WinMo 6.5
This would be a great marketing if MS will use WM7 skin in WM6.5 but almost everything will be the same as 6.1.
So users with today's hardware will get new today screen.
And WM7 will get new HW.
Seems simple.
Previously the devices have had the power for upgrade.
My blueangel originally ran WM2003, It's been upgraded to WM5, WM6 and finally WM6.1....
So the optimism for the huge leap forward thing is somewhat lacking in my part. If my old blue angel can happily keep pace with the same software my diamond is running.
I'm not sure how MS will manage with multitouch.....It was on the news today that apple have finally been granted a patent on it and that they are about to start sueing other devices which are using it.....
Might sadly mean no multitouch for PPC...but we'll see.
will windows mobile 6.5 be released officially for tytn2
what makes you think it will for the tytn ii
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what makes you think it will for the tytn ii
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He didn't say it will be, he asked if it will be, as if anyone around here would know that.
sorry missread that thanks for pulling me up
doesn't matter, we'll rip it out of another device that updates first or get a good leaked version anyway. That's how it always seems to work at XDA.
and that seems a dam good way for xda to work and keep us all happy
Before this thread gets locked for being pointless. Micro$oft just releases WM 6.5. It is not written for any phone or with any phone or manufacturer in mind. It is HTC that decides which phones they will write new roms for, and whether or not they will include WM 6.5 in the new rom.
And it is the carriers that decide whether to ask HTC to write a new rom for them that includes 6.5 . Micro$oft can release 6.5, HTC can write a rom with it included, then ultimately, in my case , it is AT$T who decides whether it will ever see a Tilt.
Most of those descisions are based on the fact that AT$T wants you to buy a new phone, this does not happen if they keep supporting old phones.
Good job, denco7, that should answer the question.
Anyway, WM 6.5 is too buggy for the moment, and I really do not like the beehive interface. We currently have PIE 6 and M2D and works fine on Kaiser.
HTC will not care to dedicate one minute to such and old device. They have released several models after Kaiser and will be announcing more models this week at MWC. They are following the old policy of "if you want a better or fixed firmware, purchase a new device".
i agree the copy of wm 6.5 is a bit buggy but when the final is released i am sure cookers will make great roms out of it
6.5 is too buggy ? Where did you get a copy to test ? The cooked roms here have a leaked kernel which they are using as the base of a cooked Kaiser rom. It makes me laugh when people get " leaked " versions or " hacked " versions and then come out with an overall asessment of the product.
Final versions of things usually have a lot of security around them, preproduction or discontinued projects do not. These are the ones that usually get " leaked. "
It would be like if Ferarri dropped a little 4cyl motor in a predroduction car just to be able to drive it in to the wind tunnel for testing, then some one leaks out " oh my, the new Ferrari's suck, they are way under powered with only 4cyl engines ....."
While we have been conditioned not to expect much from Micro$oft, I don't think the 6.5 we have is the 6.5 we are going to get as an official release.
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Before this thread gets locked for being pointless. Micro$oft just releases WM 6.5. It is not written for any phone or with any phone or manufacturer in mind. It is HTC that decides which phones they will write new roms for, and whether or not they will include WM 6.5 in the new rom.
And it is the carriers that decide whether to ask HTC to write a new rom for them that includes 6.5 . Micro$oft can release 6.5, HTC can write a rom with it included, then ultimately, in my case , it is AT$T who decides whether it will ever see a Tilt.
Most of those descisions are based on the fact that AT$T wants you to buy a new phone, this does not happen if they keep supporting old phones.
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HTC’s Touch Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2, announced today, will be upgradeable to Windows Mobile 6.5. New enhanced contact integration combined with new Internet capabilities deliver a people-centric approach to mobile communication. HTC’s Touch Diamond 2 features TouchFLO 3D, a sleek and compact design with a large 3.2-inch high-resolution wide-screen display, while HTC Touch Pro 2 introduces one of the best-ever mobile productivity experiences on a phone highlighted by HTC’s new Straight Talk technology, an integrated e-mail, voice and speakerphone experience.
maybe this thread was written before mine and I just didn't see it... oops. Ok, so htc probably won't make one for the tilt and really don't like that, but there's always really great, reliable roms on here so I'm sure it will be fine. Besides, not buying a new phone any time soon. I don't have any money and plus the stupid phone that htc made to replace the tilt (help me here guys?) took a step backwards and lost any form of tilt functionality, which if ya ask me, was a huge advantage over other devices. So yea.
I believe the HTC Touch Pro2 (which they just announced at MWC) tilts. and is sexy mcsexy.
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I believe the HTC Touch Pro2 (which they just announced at MWC) tilts. and is sexy mcsexy.
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Yes it tilts. In all sense and purpose it seems to be the successor to the Kaiser.
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Yes it tilts. In all sense and purpose it seems to be the successor to the Kaiser.
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lol, yea. I saw that a few hours after I wrote that! lol.
WM 6.5 is not planned to be released for any currently available device.
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Microsoft Announces Windows Mobile 6.5
With an endless chain of leaks dating back several months, the suspense factor might not be there that Microsoft had been hoping for -- but for what it's worth, Windows Mobile 6.5 is now official. The latest rendition of Microsoft's mobile platform puts an emphasis on touch-friendliness with a honeycomb-style main menu that the company says is easier to finger than a traditional grid layout; a new lock screen that can be slid on different alerts to automatically call up texts, voicemails, and so on; a thoroughly-restyled cut of Internet Explorer Mobile that features a touchable zoom slider and frequently-used commands; redesigned menus that don't need a stylus to actuate; fingerable home and contacts screens, and more. It's not the thorough gutting of the platform many were hoping for, but for anyone thinking that Windows Mobile 6.1 can stand another facelift without ending up looking like Joan Rivers, 6.5's clearly your baby. Sadly, Microsoft's saying that no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates, but don't pull out your wallets just yet, though -- the first devices with Windows Mobile 6.5 preinstalled should be available in the fourth quarter of the year.
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MS Sucks! Unfortunately!
Even Apple which is quite money grubbing gave out the iphone upgrade to the original iphone buyers. Why - good public relations: Give the software, but say "Sorry, the best stuff won't work unless you buy the NEW phone".
People who get the upgrade will say "That's nice of Apple. Next time I upgrade, I'll stick with the iPhone!"
The TyTN II is not an ancient phone (not new, but not ancient). C'mon MS - if the great guys here at xda-developers can make your software work on the TyTN II, then it surely shouldn't be so difficult for you.
You really need to encourage people to stick with you otherwise - Hello Blackberry, iPhone and Pre! (yea the last one really rocks!)
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Even Apple which is quite money grubbing gave out the iphone upgrade to the original iphone buyers. Why - good public relations: Give the software, but say "Sorry, the best stuff won't work unless you buy the NEW phone".
People who get the upgrade will say "That's nice of Apple. Next time I upgrade, I'll stick with the iPhone!"
The TyTN II is not an ancient phone (not new, but not ancient). C'mon MS - if the great guys here at xda-developers can make your software work on the TyTN II, then it surely shouldn't be so difficult for you.
You really need to encourage people to stick with you otherwise - Hello Blackberry, iPhone and Pre! (yea the last one really rocks!)
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It's called "Forced Progress Through Planned Obsolecence". For all intents and purposes Windows 2000 Professional Edition is plenty adequate for today's needs, and XP RTM was just basically W2k SP2+Luna+newer device support. Windows 2000, while perfectly adequate for 99.9% of needs, (OK, no directX 9c or 10.1), has reached EoL, and is no longer supported by MS. Windows XP will soon meet a similar fate, even though it is adequate for most businuss and conusumer needs. I have personally installed XP on a P1 166 o/ced to 200Mhz with 256MB of RAM. It worked fine as a workstation OS on such limited hardware, but forget about gaming. Try to install Vista on a computer with less then a 1Ghz processor and 1GB of RAM, and you're going to be wishing you never heard of Vista. Vista isn't even truly "usable" unless you have a reletivly modern machine. (2.0Ghz+ processor, 2GB+ PC3200 DDR RAM, 7200RPM HDD with at least 30GB available for OS+basic applications.
Yes, I do realize that XP Home was a significant improvment over Win9x; which most consumers were using at that time. Still the jump from Windows 2000 Professional SP2 to Windows XP Professional RTM was a miniscule improvement at best. Heck, Windows XP (even SP1), isn't very secure. All you need is a Win2k installation CD, and you can get administrator access to Windows XP RTM and SP1 just by booting into the recovery console and simply pressing enter when it asks for the administrative password. BTW, Windows XP will reach EoL for mainstream support during of April 2009, and new security patches will be issued until April 2014. After that date, Windows XP will reach EoL, even though it will remain a perfectly usable OS. It has always been the driving force behind the commercial IT industry, and it will continue to be for the forseeable future.
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It's called "Forced Progress Through Planned Obsolecence". For all intents and purposes Windows 2000 Professional Edition is plenty adequate for today's needs, and XP RTM was just basically W2k SP2+Luna+newer device support. Windows 2000, while perfectly adequate for 99.9% of needs, (OK, no directX 9c or 10.1), has reached EoL, and is no longer supported by MS. Windows XP will soon meet a similar fate, even though it is adequate for most businuss and conusumer needs. I have personally installed XP on a P1 166 o/ced to 200Mhz with 256MB of RAM. It worked fine as a workstation OS on such limited hardware, but forget about gaming. Try to install Vista on a computer with less then a 1Ghz processor and 1GB of RAM, and you're going to be wishing you never heard of Vista. Vista isn't even truly "usable" unless you have a reletivly modern machine. (2.0Ghz+ processor, 2GB+ PC3200 DDR RAM, 7200RPM HDD with at least 30GB available for OS+basic applications.
Yes, I do realize that XP Home was a significant improvment over Win9x; which most consumers were using at that time. Still the jump from Windows 2000 Professional SP2 to Windows XP Professional RTM was a miniscule improvement at best. Heck, Windows XP (even SP1), isn't very secure. All you need is a Win2k installation CD, and you can get administrator access to Windows XP RTM and SP1 just by booting into the recovery console and simply pressing enter when it asks for the administrative password. BTW, Windows XP will reach EoL for mainstream support during of April 2009, and new security patches will be issued until April 2014. After that date, Windows XP will reach EoL, even though it will remain a perfectly usable OS. It has always been the driving force behind the commercial IT industry, and it will continue to be for the forseeable future.
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^ I agree. However this is only after maybe 2 years, maybe, and is only being done out of stubborn greed and douche baggery.
Hey all has anyone been secretly working on the wp7 rom for the X1? if so lets start a thread for it
i don't think its been leaked yet, has it?
Well I dont know if anybody is working but I trying to make this theme
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633755
I love to have WP7 on SEX1 (if it is possible)
I guess hardware requirements wont let you to function smoothly but chefs here can save us with a barebone edition of WP7
Cheers
i hate to break it to u guys, but we don have a proper OEMXip and drivers from wm6.5 which is the same CE version as 6.1
how do u expect a XIP + oemdriver for wm7 when its completely different driver set + newer version of CE.
n lets no forget the touch capacity screen requirement of wm7
so unless MS decides so make it backward compatible to older device, i just don see it. and knowing MS i don think they will. coz they cant sell just an OS at retail. it comes with a device. so if the old device can run 7, it will mean less sell of newer products will be sold and no company would want that.
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i hate to break it to u guys, but we don have a proper OEMXip and drivers from wm6.5 which is the same CE version as 6.1
how do u expect a XIP + oemdriver for wm7 when its completely different driver set + newer version of CE.
n lets no forget the touch capacity screen requirement of wm7
so unless MS decides so make it backward compatible to older device, i just don see it. and knowing MS i don think they will. coz they cant sell just an OS at retail. it comes with a device. so if the old device can run 7, it will mean less sell of newer products will be sold and no company would want that.
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Yes, that's correct.
But can't you guys, extract WM6.5 drivers out of the xperia X2? The hardware is almost 95% the same as our beloved X1 D), right?
sadly we wont be getting windows phone 7
but there are rumors that microsoft is making a sucessor to the 6.5.X line. I really do hope so! CE is soooooo old! and the new 6.X better not be CE.
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Yes, that's correct.
But can't you guys, extract WM6.5 drivers out of the xperia X2? The hardware is almost 95% the same as our beloved X1 D), right?
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Like if the X2 will ever get wm7, stop dreaming
So X2 drivers are useless for wm7 because the drivers are ment for wm6.5
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and the new 6.X better not be CE.
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This doesn't make any sense.
I dont understand this CE thing...can't we update it..AFAIK, its a software version rite???so can't we have it updated on X1???
Pointless in discussing now, as no WP7 betas out... no one knows the final min specs...
might be 1ghz processor with tegra required...
microsoft did say in all the video's i've watched that the min specs will be quite high to ensure that user experience is rich.
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This doesn't make any sense.
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meaning the new 6.X should not be based on CE
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Pointless in discussing now, as no WP7 betas out... no one knows the final min specs...
might be 1ghz processor with tegra required...
microsoft did say in all the video's i've watched that the min specs will be quite high to ensure that user experience is rich.
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I happened to see some windows 7 add on youtube which has a pyramid hovering over all users... and i think the guy is using windows 7 phone operating series (or whatever they call it) ..... the good thing about it is that the guy is using an xperia X1. Now i know that there is a good chance the screens were added post recording and are all fake... but lets all just keep our hopes high and fingers crossed
i'm not very sure about drivers. We have seen that htc devices are quite similar about hardware so maybe possible, as we are already doing with wm 6.5, to use drivers of other devices.
cant we update the CE..
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cant we update the CE..
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If you mean update the CE to CE7 then No, as stated above it is pointless to even be discussing this right now since we don't even have the proper hardware/drivers to even run WP7 properly and the beta isn't even out yet, your just going to have to wait for 6.6.
If you guys want WP7 so badly try upgrading to new hardware.
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i'm not very sure about drivers. We have seen that htc devices are quite similar about hardware so maybe possible, as we are already doing with wm 6.5, to use drivers of other devices.
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Yeah, but like if they build an htc with such low-end hardware like the xperia for such a high-end os like windows phone 7, no way thats gonna happen. No way they are gonna beat iPhone then.
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i'm not very sure about drivers. We have seen that htc devices are quite similar about hardware so maybe possible, as we are already doing with wm 6.5, to use drivers of other devices.
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We are not using drivers from other phones. Atleast not the whole OEM shizzle. Drivers(except some video drivers etc) are device specific and can't be used on other devices
min specs for WP7 is quite high... i read snapdragon +1Ghz CPU would be required...
credit to msoft for raising the bar (ensuring user experience will be similar all round)
sadly this means that our qualcomm 528mhz processor + ati graphics might not cut it...
While this does make wp7 look nice with the high specs, it would also make the phones more expensive. Though, snapdragon should be cheaper by then.
WP7-lite for us 528mhz people!