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WinMo 7

My question is this..(I have never had a Winmo device so excuse my ignorance)
Will this phone be able to support WinMo7 when it is released?
Also, will HTC support it with a new touchflo thing?
or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?

Considering that WinMo 6.1 is only just being released with this phone - I doubt anyone could tell you whether the next OS is going to be supported on it or not with any certainty - it's not finalised yet!
That said, if any phone is going to be WinMo 7 compatible, this will - it's the most advanced phone to date and has every feature possible.

"or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?"
most reports seem to indicate that even when wm7 is released around Q2 2009
older devices with wm6.1 will continue to function
and not spontaneous combust

I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO

TDO said:
I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO
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Hmmm. But Microsoft can virtualise multi-touch.

Of course this is pure speculation but given their pattern, If HTC sells as many Diamonds as they are expecting, I can see them putting some effort into a Windows Mobile 7 upgrade rom as they did with upgrading the original touch over other more recent devices. With that really depends on what kind of upgrade path Microsoft makes for the devices and if it's even doable, if Windows Mobile 7 lives upto what everyone is saying about it, may need to upgrade to a device specifically designed for it.
For me the Touch Diamond is the last step to reaching the perfect device. Has everything I've wanted, small form factor, good amount of program memory, all the necessary features, better screen with VGA. Only thing that could make it better is an even better (capacitive) screen with a higher resolution and of course, a much better more updated front end operating system, ala Windows Mobile 7.

i think this device will not support winmo7 bcoz have new technologies.. and honestly, this device IS NOT SUPERB. just a faster processor, a lot of memory and gps stuff. the same thing as older ones

who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not

Rudegar said:
who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not
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that would be suicide for them if they did. I heard a rumor that WinMo7 will be multitouch also !

M$ has stated in 2009 they will come out with Window$ Mobile 6.5. I think that only devices that were shipped from the orginal launch date with 6.1 will be upgradable to 6.5 free from Sprint perhaps. Much in the same way that the Touch went from 6.0 to 6.1. I do not think the touch will get 6.5 as it was shipped from launch with 6.0.

My views:
- yes, the next step is 6.5, not 7, so no need to be doing plans on wm7 for the Touch Diamond at the moment.
- Which 'touch' are you talking about? If it's the Touch Diamond, it has been released from the very beginning with 6.1 on it, not 6.0.
- It's hard to say whether or not HTC will provide us with an official upgrade to 6.5, their policy is so unpredictable and not always sensible...
(remember what happened to European users of P3600...)
- I don't see any reason (except a processor major change as hinted in the post above) why Diamond would not be compatible.
- as far as I know, wm7 is designed to provide old phones with as many new features as possible.
Example: they even think of a work around for phones without accelerometr to sense motions using the built in camera.
- this doesn't mean old phones will be able to get the most out of wm7 new technologies, such as multitouch. But they will be using what their hardware allow them to.

WM7 on Touch HD regarding to leaked WM7 requirements?

ok. on this site http://www.intomobile.com/2009/05/12/microsoft-pink-specs-windows-mobile-7-requirements-leak.html I found leaked WM7 requirements.
My question is, what is your opinion, it will be possible to get to work WM7 on HD? I read someware on net that it is theoretically possible to run multituch on resistance screens. I don't know what about accelerated graphic, but rest requirements HD fulfill.

i have faith that the comunity here will be able to do it!

Well I don't believe that someone will be able to do it I can hope for it but the reality is that it will be too difficult it's something like the Android where we still don't have a proper version.Yes I know it's a totaly different platform but multi-touch is going to be a big problem....We will get a lot of themes though SPB,WAD and etc. but I don't think it's going to be on our devices HTC is making it that way so their new devices will be bought and not for everyone to have ultra-enabled Blackstones that can run anything (man that sounds good just saying it ).It's gonna be a great deal of time until it comes out we only can wait and see.

in which quarter of 2010 Microsoft plan give us WM7? anyone knows?

I'm sure this won't run on our HD's. WinMo 7 requires OpenGL ES 2.0, which isn't available in our current MSM720* chipsets.
I guess in 2010 we're all going to need to buy a new device...

NeoS2007 said:
I'm sure this won't run on our HD's. WinMo 7 requires OpenGL ES 2.0, which isn't available in our current MSM720* chipsets.
I guess in 2010 we're all going to need to buy a new device...
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Yes, we all are... and it will probably run Android.

brumbrum said:
Yes, we all are... and it will probably run Android.
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Yes, may very well be..
I mean the Android part, cause the fact that I'll get a new mobile in 2010 is beyond doubt!
The rumoured Sony Ericsson Rachael looks very interesting indeed!

ok, no need for a discussion on new phones
Safely say that WM7 won't ruin on our HD's

Windows Mobile 7

Does anyone know when will MS launch this version of OS ? Really would like to test on it or see how does it looks like..

If I understood it right, is the OS still under development. So you will probably not see much from it untill next year.. I guess

jea in half 2010 is release... win7 mobile vs iphone
it will be f**king good

Microsoft will start sending builds to OEMs to begin testing in Q1 2010. WM7 will be released in Q3 2010. I expect to see builds out sometime in Q1....however, I'm not too sure these builds will run on anything presently out besides the HTC HD2 because the CE kernel would have been recompiled for ARMv7 cores.

and that will be great. what is coming out from iphone next year to fightfwith android 2.0 and winmo7 ... and ppl will start porting their hd2 to android 2.0 and then to winmo7... lol

In the first place X1 probably can't support WM7

doesnt the 6.5.1 need to be released first?

prodigiez said:
and that will be great. what is coming out from iphone next year to fightfwith android 2.0 and winmo7 ... and ppl will start porting their hd2 to android 2.0 and then to winmo7... lol
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Don't forget a few years ago when Ballmer laughed at the iPhone...
I'm not buying one but I would never underestimate the competition whether I was MS, Apple or whoever.

Latests news of wm7 I read is q3 2010 too bad really

ipporek said:
In the first place X1 probably can't support WM7
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why ? where did u get this info ?

Thought I read somewhere b4 that WM7 would require a motion sensor, which X1 doesn't have. But well, I could be wrong.

I think it will be available for xperia, saw a advertisment of the wm 7 on youtube lol guess which phone popped up? x1

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why ? where did u get this info ?
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It's a very technical requirement.
The Windows CE kernel, very integral part of Windows Mobile, is being compiled for ARMv7 for Windows Mobile 7 (thought to be based on CE6.0 or CE7.0). Currently Windows Mobile 6/6.1/6.5, the CE (CE 5.X) kernel is compiled for ARMv6 which runs on many chipsets today (Qualcomm 720X for example).
ARMv7 architectures (ie. Snapdragon, Cortex A8, NVIDIA Tegra) are backwards compatible with ARMv6 which is why the HTC Touch HD2 (Snapdragon) can run Windows Mobile 6.5. However, ARMv6 architectures (X1, TP1/2, Touch HD, etc) are not compatible with ARMv7 code (missing/different instructions).
So unless a very smart cook can somehow recompile code (need the source code) or combine different parts, there will be no WM7 for any current windows mobile device besides the HTC HD2.

x1 didn't get wm6.5 officially if it will get wm7 which will prob not be out until a year from now don't expect it to come from official sources.....

Min requirements for WM7 is 1Ghz CPU (actually because of the instruction set), but also G-sensor and compass. HD2 maybe. Xperia no way.

Well you say processors like Tegre will be able to run WM 7, but i checken and Tegra is still ARM v6...
Anybody has any real source saying Wm 7 will be only for ARMv7?
As for G-semsor multitouch and sucks, that is all softwere, you can turn this things off, so apat from procesor, nothing else matters for WM7 to run X1, onl ARM v6 code is needed, all else can be done by cooking.

brisschris said:
Hello,
I am brisschris.I am new to this site,but I’ve enjoyed posting in your forums.Microsoft confirmed that it is planning for Windows 7 to hit retail shelves and start showing up on new PCs on October 22.To reach that milestone, Microsoft plans to wrap up development of the operating system by the middle or end of next month.The tech guarantee program is not beginning immediately, but Microsoft did raise the possibility it will offer some sort of lower-cost upgrade to those who are already using Windows Vista.it is "Depending on when we do it there will be the associated accounting for it".
Thank you very much and Stay connected with me.
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Uh.... we're talking about Windows Mobile 7, not Windows 7.

Come on Guys!
Please dont speculate about things there was lightyears ahead. Wait untill the time will come. We dont have seen WinMo 6.5 official on X1 yet, therefore we think about other things, which atm is morge important.
with best reguards.
sorry for my poor english

Well lightyears ahead you say, but i am certain i will have WM 7 on Xperia in abaut 3 months XDA does miracles

Certainly the most x1 user will it and im sure that the devs find a way to port it on x1. But except a few screenshots no specification of WinMo 7 was published. Therefore hope that the x1 get an official 6.5 Update. I think, this will reveal the way to WM7.

windows phone7 is released is touch hd support?

hello to all xda developers windows phone7 is released now htc mondrian is touch hd1 hardware compatible for wm7?

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hello to all xda developers windows phone7 is released now htc mondrian is touch hd1 hardware compatible for wm7?
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if it becomes possible it will take a long time
windows phone 7 requires 3 hardware buttons where we have 4 so it will take a long tiome before it becomes possible if it even is possible

not to mention the way too slow hardware... Windows Phone 7 will probably be _VERY_ slow on our devices. And if someone manages to get it working, I'm quite sure that won't be anytime soon... sorry mate

Windows Phone 7 require AT LEAST 800mhz processor..Touch HD only 528mhz..

Steven6489 said:
Windows Phone 7 require AT LEAST 800mhz processor..Touch HD only 528mhz..
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that isnt the biggest problem i think as the hd2 sense is for 1024mhz proc and we have 528 mhz and that works to
a bit slow but useable for everyday i my opinion

miniterror said:
if it becomes possible it will take a long time
windows phone 7 requires 3 hardware buttons where we have 4 so it will take a long tiome before it becomes possible if it even is possible
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sorry, forgive me if im being thick, but wouldnt that mean that we would just have a dead hardware button? which could be pathed to something else?

It would appear there's more to it than that.
I've been following Da_G's thread since he started messing with the mondrian Rom.
It would appear that it requires an ARMv7 Processor to run whereas our's is ARMv6.
It supports only Capacitive screens and ours is Resistive. as well as more stuff.
It looks highly unlikely I'm afraid.Complete incompatibility.

m2.5 wm6.5 roms are slower already, just figure wm7, not worth the hassle imho

Not a great loss IMO, if its true that the OS is gimped that is, why do you all want it when AFAIK it wont have something as basic as file management?

Agree with you all
As already stated I doubt this project would be possible due to the differences in hardware.
More interesting though is how many of us will be looking at the Mondrian to replace our HD's or HD2's???

Not me
BlueAnt1958 said:
As already stated I doubt this project would be possible due to the differences in hardware.
More interesting though is how many of us will be looking at the Mondrian to replace our HD's or HD2's???
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Not a hope for me, hate the looks of WP7 tbh, the Xbox Live integration would be nice but other than that i'll stick with MaxSense on my HD, Still hunting for an HD2 on Ebay that i can afford lol.

[q] wp8 & hd2

will the HD2 still run WP8 or is our hardware that old? what would be the minimum phone that can run WP8? :silly:
WP7 is rally fast in the HD2 & it runs really well, i hope the same can be said for wp8.

If you currenty own a Windows phone, it can NOT run windows phone 8, thats it.
You must buy a new phone with windows phone 8 on it.

Jc61990 said:
If you currenty own a Windows phone, it can NOT run windows phone 8, thats it.
You must buy a new phone with windows phone 8 on it.
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why did u say that? hd2 is a legend. born as wp6.5 device, got android port and now upto 4.0.4, lol it is one of the device that actually run 4.0.4 before any other official updates. and it have fully working wp7.5 tango running on it. and is 8779.8 version update( lol i m not sure if any official updates have gone so far). and i am not planning to mention other os's that runs on hd2.
the only thing that hd2 lacks is current dual/quad cores and gpu's. any how it have a descent cpu of 1ghz single core ( functions flawless upto 1.5 ghz oc) and enough gpu to run wp7.5 pretty fast( even hd7 wont run that much fast).
and i am dam sure hd2 will be running wp8 pretty soon.. ( may be before any official wp8 device!!!!!!!)

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I seriously doubt it. The devs have moved on to new devices.
Maybe they'll try to port it but it would be a ton of hard work because they switched from Windows CE to Windows 8 kernel. Also, WP7 only got ported because some drivers from Microsoft got "leaked" since Microsoft were using the HD2 to develop WP7 anyway.
But hey, never say never!

hd2 wp8
I personally think there will be Windows phone 8 interface to HD2

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Watch the attitude...

We won't see WP8 for the venerable HD2 because of the simple fact that WP8 has a new kernel. So you would have to rewrite every driver of each hardware component like CPU, Radio, GPU, Wifi, Bluetooth etc. And I really doubt someone will accomplish that.

Guys Just relax,There's DFT
I belive there will be a new MAGLDR version when wp8 is on the way of HD2.
Lets see. How it goes

mengfei said:
will the HD2 still run WP8 or is our hardware that old? what would be the minimum phone that can run WP8? :silly:
WP7 is rally fast in the HD2 & it runs really well, i hope the same can be said for wp8.
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Yes the HD2 has been seen running test versions of WP8.
The important question is whether it will be possible to flash it in such a way to make it run on the HD2 once WP8 is out.
MS is very keen on the secure boot feature of the new snapdragon chips which is partly why we won't see WP8 for our current devices.
I hope someone with more knowledge can elaborate on this´.
The chip is called TPM which will be responsible for the secure boot procedure.
http://wmpoweruser.com/trusted-platform-modulethe-secret-of-microsofts-attack-on-rim/

Despite all aspects, if look on new HTC devices specification, clearly HD2 if good enough to run WP8. Spec is same like low new model.
It is just up to guys from Dark Force and others.

Hey guys, as my colleague has already stated above, please watch the attitude and show each other some respsect.
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Hey guys, do you think it is worth to buy a HD2 now? I really miss the WM, but I like the WP too, mostly because I already got used with it.
Can the HD2 dual-boot WM and WP? Would not be kinda late to buy one?
Since my 200Mhz Gene is almost useless, and my Lumia won't be upgraded to WP8 anyway, I thought it is a good ideia. What you think?
Thanks.

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mateus_rachid said:
Hey guys, do you think it is worth to buy a HD2 now? I really miss the WM, but I like the WP too, mostly because I already got used with it.
Can the HD2 dual-boot WM and WP? Would not be kinda late to buy one?
Since my 200Mhz Gene is almost useless, and my Lumia won't be upgraded to WP8 anyway, I thought it is a good ideia. What you think?
Thanks.
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Absolutely. It's one of the best Windows mobile 6 devices, and it also runs Android (as a joke, you can even run WM7 on it, but the worst part of censorship is *******************).
- 2 Bunny

kainppc6700 said:
Absolutely. It's one of the best Windows mobile 6 devices, and it also runs Android (as a joke, you can even run WM7 on it, but the worst part of censorship is *******************).
- 2 Bunny
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And it actually shipped with WM5.x... At least my Telstra HD2 I bought for AT&T did. It's probably the most versatile phone ever made.
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Jc61990 said:
If you currenty own a Windows phone, it can NOT run windows phone 8, thats it.
You must buy a new phone with windows phone 8 on it.
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The OP asks if the HD2 can possibly run WP8. In case you weren't paying attention before launching your tirade, the HD2 is a Windows MOBILE device. As in, started life as a WM6.1 phone and is the only device that has been modified to run Android AND WP7 successfully. It is not a stretch to think that some clever devs will try to do it, purely for ****s and giggles. Forget about different kernels and any other obstacles, that is irrelevant. Being able to proclaim "I did it!" is satisfaction enough.
Good thing hackers don't all think like you, there would never have been an xda.

i remember that when WP7 launched,,some ppl said "WP7 wont work on HD2 cuz hardware stuck, new file structure bla bla bla,,, " ,, now when i see ppl talking about WP8 wont work on HD2 cuz new kernel and bla bla,, its being funny... This is XDA,, dont be precise when you talking about "hacking"... i am sure if XDA devs want to make it works on HD2 they will do it,, remember Android and WP7 on HD2 process.. yes devs move to new devices,, yes HD2 is pretty old,, but HD2 is a legend,, i can tell that some devs gonna try just because its HD2... wm6.5 wp7 and android,, why not WP8??

Because WP8 is a completely different OS, altogether.
Giving it to current devices as a scaled version as 7.8 is the most they could do.
Now, its a OS, proper modding and changes could get it to the HD2 or even the current devices, except the GPU rendering, its too much for a single core.
The most you will get is the HS and integrated stuff, you wont be able to play the games WP8 devices can play!
this is still a 50:50 thought.

Wp8 HD2
Can't wait to see new WP8 on the history making HD2! Hopefully..

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Can't wait to see new WP8 on the history making HD2! Hopefully..
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