I have 3 stereo bluetooth devices and 2 headset only devices.
The problem comes from auto re-connecting to the stereo devices.
The only way it seems to work at all is if I pair all the stereo devices first.
If I reset, then I usually have to click and hold on the device in BT Settings and select "set as wireless stereo" to get the stereo connection to kick in.
In my tests I have made sure only one device is on at a time.
It certainly is not as easy as it should be.
It seems to be worse after a Tilt reset.
So my questions are : Has anyone else seen this behavior and is there a fix or work-around for it?
If not, does anyone no how to make a direct link to the BT Settings Window so at least it would only be a couple clicks to fix it?
You need at least one of each device (headset and stereo headset) to see this problem.
I've seen this with my Wizard as well as the Tytn II, so I suspect it's a "feature" of the MS BT stack. I think it's somehow related to the "set as wireless stereo" feature -- apparently only one device at a time can have that setting, and MS turns the setting off if it can't connect to that device. Note that there's no such setting for handsfree, and connections on that profile work flawlessly between multiple devices.
Its a little better
What I found out is that if you pair all your stereo devices first and then all the non-stereo, things seem to work a bit better and Dutty's BT-Link plugin will reconnect the stereo part most of the time, so its only a click away and sometimes you don't need to turn the device to discover mode.
However, if anyone from MS reads this, there is no reason not to automatically connect into full stereo, IF the device is the only one in the list that can be found at any point in time. And if they wanted to be really cool, if not, then present the user with a list so he can click to choose.
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Hi BSW11,
Im having a similar problem with the pairing of my carkit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1717330#post1717330
I believe it can be traced to the the MS BT stack not handling the automatic re-pairing correctly. I am surprised that not many other people have notice or complained in this forum about it.
Adam
No BT Wireless Stereo device will auto-connect to any WM device, you have to tell your phone to connect to it via the BT setting unless a 3rd party app has that function built in to it. This is a 'feature' of MS WM OS system.
Any BT 'headset' (ie mono earpiece) will auto connect if it has been selected for 'use as headset'
Hope this helps.
Hi, I'm pleased to say that setting up my TyTN II to sync via Bluetooth with my laptop running Vista's Windows Mobile Device Centre was a doddle. None of the nonsense I had before on WM5 and my Wizard.
However, it appears Bluetooth sync needs to be invoked manually each time from the TyTN. This makes this lovely feature next to useless.
With Nokia PC Sync for example, Bluetooth sync to a Nokia phone can happen whenever the phone comes back into range, or every 15 minutes if you so choose.
So, is there any way to specify this with Windows?
I don't think so at the moment. It's a problem within the Microsoft WM OS.
I too used to love my old Nokia 9100's capability to do this but with having so many connection variants on this unit (GPRS, WiFi and BT) Microsoft have probably opted for a safe solution.
At least with manual select, you wont have it running down your battery with lots of data traffic while its in your pocket/purse at home/work without you knowing!
Maybe we could pass this on to the Kaiser Tweak guys to see if it could be made selectable?
Worth a try!
Sure, can you do it?
Will have a go but my 'Street cred' is a little low here at the moment....
I hope one of the other patient dev guys may look at this and take it up???
your not alone
Check out these other threads. All describe different problems people are having (including mine - not being able to automatically re-pair with my car kit).
All seem to stem from the auto re-pair problem.
If a developer could help, that would be great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349841
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349050
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=350046
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346970
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337575
No-one seems to have come to our aid with a new BT stack.
Reminds me very much of the early days of the hermes ... remember these days http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285419
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Many thanks.. I've looked at those and they are mostly concerned with BT connection to audio devices.. What we are looking for is an automatic polling of your device by Activesync over BT as PCsync used to do for the Nokia. The connection has to be initiated by the SW for it to work. Cheers anyway!
Sure, they are mainly about audio, however (at least in my case) the audio is perfect when its paired.
My main concern is exactly the auto polling. I can pair my device the first time to the car kit, but every time i get back into the car I have delete the pairing and pair it manually again. This is not how bluetooth should work.
I think this is very similar to the problem the author of this thread describes.
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Sure, they are mainly about audio, however (at least in my case) the audio is perfect when its paired.
My main concern is exactly the auto polling. I can pair my device the first time to the car kit, but every time i get back into the car I have delete the pairing and pair it manually again. This is not how bluetooth should work.
I think this is very similar to the problem the author of this thread describes.
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Yep, my BT audio is good and you never know, if we start looking at auto-polling of data/stereo devices we may cure a lot of problems on here..
Thing is we may have to go around the Activesync overide (which is the slowest block on this setup!) and use a priority connect to BT similar to WM5torage on usb!
What ya think XDA???
Yeah its one of the few things I miss about my Nokia 7710 was that i walked into my house and it would sync with my computer automatically. sigh
Its definately a WM/Activesync 'Non-feature' as when you first pair your device to an Activesync capable BT PC or laptop you get a pop-up message on the WM device reminding you to disconnect your BT Activesync link to avoid draining your battery!
Hi all,
I've just bought my first HTC unit ever (Kaiser), which is also my first Windows Mobile Phone (I used PocketPCs since 2001 but with no integrated phone so far), and it seems to have a lot of issues in the areas of "regular phone" functionality.
However, the one that is really freaking me out so far is the whole "Bluetooth audio" area. I'm just wondering whether I would ever be able to get what I want or am I asking too much.
I have 3 Bluetooth audio devices, all of them are dual Headset/Headphone ones: in-car fixed Motorola T605, Jabra BT8010 and Plantronics 590. Now, naturally, I want to use the T605 in the car, Jabra for phone calls only throughout the day and for music occasionally, and Plantronics when I'm in the gym, for both music and occasional incoming phone calls.
I had all this working flawlessly with my SonyEricsson K800i phone: each device connected to the phone automatically when powered up and automatically took over both Headset and Headphone functions. The only minor problem was reconnecting Jabra when stepping out of the car, which required only a short tap on the button.
Now, with Kaiser, things are much more complicated. When a device (any of them) is connected to the phone, both as Headset and Headphones, it works mostly OK, although sometimes there is a problem of sound not coming through the device when an incoming call was answered while playing music. The music is suspended OK, but the sound comes from the phone speaker instead of the respective Bluetooth device. This happens from time to time, not always.
But the biggest problem is the initial connection of a device after another one has already been connected. When I enter my car and fire up the engine, I want the T605 to automatically connect to the phone even if Jabra has already been connected. This I was unable to achieve. Instead, I have to manually disconnect Jabra (by powering it off or temporarily powering off Bluetooth on the phone) and then manually connect the phone with the T605, for both Headset and Wireless Music (two actions required!). Now, for me, this is unacceptable.
Moreover, when I arrive to a destination and want to step out of the car, I have to manually reconnect my Jabra to the Kaiser, again, through the phone’s Bluetooth settings as described above. A short tap on Jabra’s button no longer works for this purpose, in opposite to SE K800i.
Making the long story short, this is completely unacceptable behavior for me, and I haven’t found so far a way to make it the way I need it.
Any advices?
mpogr said:
Hi all,
I've just bought my first HTC unit ever (Kaiser), which is also my first Windows Mobile Phone (I used PocketPCs since 2001 but with no integrated phone so far), and it seems to have a lot of issues in the areas of "regular phone" functionality.
However, the one that is really freaking me out so far is the whole "Bluetooth audio" area. I'm just wondering whether I would ever be able to get what I want or am I asking too much.
I have 3 Bluetooth audio devices, all of them are dual Headset/Headphone ones: in-car fixed Motorola T605, Jabra BT8010 and Plantronics 590. Now, naturally, I want to use the T605 in the car, Jabra for phone calls only throughout the day and for music occasionally, and Plantronics when I'm in the gym, for both music and occasional incoming phone calls.
I had all this working flawlessly with my SonyEricsson K800i phone: each device connected to the phone automatically when powered up and automatically took over both Headset and Headphone functions. The only minor problem was reconnecting Jabra when stepping out of the car, which required only a short tap on the button.
Now, with Kaiser, things are much more complicated. When a device (any of them) is connected to the phone, both as Headset and Headphones, it works mostly OK, although sometimes there is a problem of sound not coming through the device when an incoming call was answered while playing music. The music is suspended OK, but the sound comes from the phone speaker instead of the respective Bluetooth device. This happens from time to time, not always.
But the biggest problem is the initial connection of a device after another one has already been connected. When I enter my car and fire up the engine, I want the T605 to automatically connect to the phone even if Jabra has already been connected. This I was unable to achieve. Instead, I have to manually disconnect Jabra (by powering it off or temporarily powering off Bluetooth on the phone) and then manually connect the phone with the T605, for both Headset and Wireless Music (two actions required!). Now, for me, this is unacceptable.
Moreover, when I arrive to a destination and want to step out of the car, I have to manually reconnect my Jabra to the Kaiser, again, through the phone’s Bluetooth settings as described above. A short tap on Jabra’s button no longer works for this purpose, in opposite to SE K800i.
Making the long story short, this is completely unacceptable behavior for me, and I haven’t found so far a way to make it the way I need it.
Any advices?
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Have you tried the Bluetooth fix on HTC's website?
Asking is easy, searching is hard work for some people it seems. No offence..
I'm using Schap's ROM which is supposed to have this fix built-in.
mpogr said:
I'm using Schap's ROM which is supposed to have this fix built-in.
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Ahh. didn't see that in your first post..
I think you are suffering the same prob as many. Every time a BT device comes out, it never seems to work with what we had before. BT protocols are NOT fixed (The IEEE STILL have not fully implemented a specific proto!), they change faster than we change our devices.
As I said before (without meaning any offence) search the whole forum, many threads have been out on this subject and some advice/fixes or equipment references are out there.
Well, I did search these forums and haven't seen someone referring to the same kind of problems I'm having.
Now, regarding your comment about variety of BT devices... I don't buy that. My SE K800i is 1 year old and works perfectly with this combination of devices.
I have pretty extensive experience with Broadcom/Widcomm BT stack on PC and older models of PocketPC (the one I have is IPAQ 5555) and I suspect these foes are direct derivatives from the fact Kaiser uses MS BT stack, which is much inferior. However, it seems nobody was able to make Broadcom/Widcomm stack work on Kaiser so far...
mpogr said:
Well, I did search these forums and haven't seen someone referring to the same kind of problems I'm having.
Now, regarding your comment about variety of BT devices... I don't buy that. My SE K800i is 1 year old and works perfectly with this combination of devices.
I have pretty extensive experience with Broadcom/Widcomm BT stack on PC and older models of PocketPC (the one I have is IPAQ 5555) and I suspect these foes are direct derivatives from the fact Kaiser uses MS BT stack, which is much inferior. However, it seems nobody was able to make Broadcom/Widcomm stack work on Kaiser so far...
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OK, I'm sorry if you don't. I only tried to help. Seem's you've asked a question and have already formed an opinion to it!!!
I have personal experience of Sony's proprietory connection limitations.
My BT works fine on all my devices....will leave you to others.
Looks like I found a partial solution which makes my life almost perfect...
It seems the real problem is taking over Kaiser from a previously connected device. So, if I switch my Jabra off several seconds before I fire up my car's engine, my T605 is able to connect to it. Same goes the other way around, I can turn off the car engine and then fire up the Jabra several seconds later. In this case all is good.
Looks like the MS BT stack is still ill-implemented though, as, for example, when in active Wireless Music BT connection, the device is unable to discover any other Bluetooth devices or to connect to other device's BT serial interface, which makes using external GPS devices difficult.
This could be a problem for me since my car (Citroen C5) has special anti-radiation coating on its windshield which quite effectively screens the satellite signals. Therefore I came up with a solution of having a BT GPS device permanently located in the car (actually, in the driver's seat back pocket) hardwired to the mains as well as to an external GPS antenna. This setup is effectively beating both reception and start-up time problems.
With Kaiser’s limitation on simultaneous BT connections I’m unable to use this setup anymore. Yes, I could bypass using an additional GPS device by connecting the external antenna to Kaiser’s internal GPS, but this looks like a cumbersome solution as I couldn’t find a Kaiser-compatible mounting with a socket for hardwiring an external GPS antenna.
Luckily for me, I still have my old IPAQ loaded with GPS software which I prefer to use for navigation anyway thanks to its significantly bigger screen
mpogr said:
Looks like I found a partial solution which makes my life almost perfect...
It seems the real problem is taking over Kaiser from a previously connected device. So, if I switch my Jabra off several seconds before I fire up my car's engine, my T605 is able to connect to it. Same goes the other way around, I can turn off the car engine and then fire up the Jabra several seconds later. In this case all is good.
Looks like the MS BT stack is still ill-implemented though, as, for example, when in active Wireless Music BT connection, the device is unable to discover any other Bluetooth devices or to connect to other device's BT serial interface, which makes using external GPS devices difficult.
This could be a problem for me since my car (Citroen C5) has special anti-radiation coating on its windshield which quite effectively screens the satellite signals. Therefore I came up with a solution of having a BT GPS device permanently located in the car (actually, in the driver's seat back pocket) hardwired to the mains as well as to an external GPS antenna. This setup is effectively beating both reception and start-up time problems.
With Kaiser’s limitation on simultaneous BT connections I’m unable to use this setup anymore. Yes, I could bypass using an additional GPS device by connecting the external antenna to Kaiser’s internal GPS, but this looks like a cumbersome solution as I couldn’t find a Kaiser-compatible mounting with a socket for hardwiring an external GPS antenna.
Luckily for me, I still have my old IPAQ loaded with GPS software which I prefer to use for navigation anyway thanks to its significantly bigger screen
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Glad to here you have a resolution (albeit a partial one).
Just one thing, why would you want to connect to an external BT GPS at the same time as your car kit? Can't you get a good enough signal on the internal GPS or is there another reason?
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...Can't you get a good enough signal on the internal GPS...?
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Yes, that's what I wrote in my post above. This antiradiation coating is a real satellite signal killer...
But, IMO, Kaiser's screen is too small for in-car navigation anyway, so having a dedicated unit is always a plus
mpogr said:
Yes, that's what I wrote in my post above. This antiradiation coating is a real satellite signal killer...
But, IMO, Kaiser's screen is too small for in-car navigation anyway, so having a dedicated unit is always a plus
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Sorry, blind AND stupid!
Yes I agree the screen is too small for general use. I have a dedicated GPS in the car and only use the TyTnII as a temporary routefinder whenever needed.
Please only repond to this if you have solved carkit issues.
I have a JVC AVX33 headunit with bluetooth, worked perfect on my old SE K800i, however on my diamond it keeps "booting" the bluetooth connection.
Connects for 30 seconds, looses connection, and connects again.
Is there a possible fix for this?
New Bluetooth Stack?
Tweak?
Or an explanation to why this is happening?
It Renders my Diamond useless in my car setup, and this would meen the world to me to have fixed.
Would purchasing a PARROT bluetooth carkit solve the problem?
Do you search the carkit with the phone or vice versa let the carkit search the phone?
I would recommend to test both setups. Do not forget to make your phone visible for the carkit when you want to pair it. Are you able to enter the bluetooth pair code on the phone when requested?
Hi, i have a Pioneer deh-p9800bt with bluetooth handsfree function and the only way to use it with wm6 and 6.1 (Htc Jamin, Gsmart i120 and Gsmart T600) has been to install Jetware HandsFree Extension. With the Gsmarts the Pioneer connects automatically and all works perfectly, with the Diamond the connection must be started every time from the Pioneer, but, then, all works (also battery and signal level): i think that a registry tweak has to be made in order to have an automatic connection.. i will try to see the differences between the registry settings of the i120 and the Diamond..
Yes i tried pairing both ways phone -> headunit and visa versa, and i am able to pair the two devices with code. However it keeps booting the bluetooth, looses connection and then getting it again. About every 30 seconds.
And i tried JETware yesterday without any change, however i am going through the different JETware config add-ons today to see if the result is better.
I think that its when the phone is trying to update the contact list to the headunit, it crashes the bluetooth. Anybody know if it is possible to change the bluetooth stack driver with another? on the HTC Touch Dual i had previous the bluetooth worked just fine.
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I recently bought a new router (D-link DI-524). First I had problem accessing internet from the phone via wifi, but I solved it by setting Wifi power option to best performance on the phone. Anyway, when setting Wifi power option to best performance the bluetooth headset/handsfree doesn't work anymore. It connects fint to my Parrot bluetooth handsfree but sountquallity is terrible. I can't hear what the other part is saying.
Any sugestions or similar problems?
same here!
Connect without problem. Sound quality at the other end of the line is terrible, at my end it's fair/ok.
Updated my Parrot MKi9001 with the latest software...
Any clues?
(now trying another ROM on my Diamond; original 1.93 as tested with by Parrot)