Database Develop

Doesnt the fact there is no Micro SD slot bug the hell out of anyone?

Doesnt the fact there is no Micro SD slot in the Touch Diamond bug the hell out of anyone?
I understand the Pro will have a slot, but its as thick as hell. I like the slimness of the Diamond.
How are you existing Diamond users coping with the limited storage?

darthbane2k said:
Doesnt the fact there is no Micro SD slot in the Touch Diamond bug the hell out of anyone?
I understand the Pro will have a slot, but its as thick as hell. I like the slimness of the Diamond.
How are you existing Diamond users coping with the limited storage?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Doesn't bug me a bit.
I use the TD as navigator (2GB of maps), and some other programs. I wouldn't know what for I would need the extra memory. It sucks bigtime using these sort of WM devices as music player, so no memory needed for that.
The slimness of the TD is worth far more than the optional slot. I'm amazed of how much fits inside this device as it is already. For some people this means a trade-off between device versus memory size.

I think this has been discussed over and over again, even before the official launch date.
You have to make choices between style, usability etc. What do you demand? For me 4 GB is far enough. Other people think of 4 GB as a laughter. So make up yourself what u think about it. I'm happy

since i dontplan to put any music or movies on my phone, 4gb is more then enough

most people who it bugs the hell out of are waiting for the pro so we dont have a problem here -_-

The Future Is Near
Read somewhere that HTC is releasing ten new mobiles 'till the end of 2008. Absolutely amazing. I bet (more I hope and pray) that amongst them there'll be an updated Diamond with microSD - or at least that HTC creates a special adapter to allow us to increase memory. I know that internally the Diamond is ready for that. Is just needs to be ROM-activated to unable us to have 8 or even 16 GB.

^i read that too...so i dont know would you wait or buy the touch pro =\?!
what bugs the hell out of me is threads like these.

The Touch Pro is too fat for my liking. I will definitely not aproach it! The Compact IV will do me nicely for now - that's the why I'm going for it instead of the Diamond. The savings will be put aside for a Diamond with a microSD 16GB (by then probably even 32GB) card slot. Brrrrrr

I'm waiting for someone brave to open up the diamond and try fitting more storage capacity!!
I've come from a 16gb iPhone to this - so most of my music / videos are remaining on my PC
However - withe the poor battery life, I doubt I'd be listening to much music on the diamond anyway!

i dont want to be one of those suckers that buys a phone right before a better one is released. Like how i bought the N73 and then right after the N73ME was released then the N95. =\
to wait or not to wait..that is the question...

billybobjones said:
^i read that too...so i dont know would you wait or buy the touch pro =\?!
what bugs the hell out of me is threads like these.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Then why are you here?
I mean really, theres no need to act like such a jerk. With all due respect..

^^ to discuss the touch pro of course
I mean really, theres no need to act like a whiny brat. With all due respect..

The big cheeses at HTC HQ reckon that a micro SD slot would add 2mm (yes, 2mm!) to the chassis. C'mon, I can live with that. Don't mention the obese Touch Pro, please. I really do thing that a 2mm fatter Diamond will be on its way very, very soon. The Diamond already beats the iPhone in all other departments. The last bit it needs is a slot. The 16gb microSD is on its way - in fact I hope both of them will be outted at the same time. Look at the sudden fall in price for a 8gb microSD. The 16gb microSD is coming and HTC will not (fingers crossed) miss the boat.

billybobjones said:
i dont want to be one of those suckers that buys a phone right before a better one is released. Like how i bought the N73 and then right after the N73ME was released then the N95. =\
to wait or not to wait..that is the question...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Dude, you can wait forever then. A phone is old when it comes out.
It's quite easy: get to know what you need and what you wanna do with it.
I did it, the Diamond was available, it suits my needs, and now I don't care if there are going to be pro-pro-pro versions of it.
In fact, I get the newest phone in about 2 years again, when this one is old. That phone will be old just 6 months after that but WTH?
Just like now, got the diamond on the 8th of june and seem to be one of the first to have one.
And adding 2mm yes really would be too fat for me.
THis phone is awesome in thickness and can be carried with me like I have a normal phone instead of that poor friend of mine with his Hermes, like getting a really strong arm holding that hump to his ear

darthbane2k said:
Doesnt the fact there is no Micro SD slot in the Touch Diamond bug the hell out of anyone?
I understand the Pro will have a slot, but its as thick as hell. I like the slimness of the Diamond.
How are you existing Diamond users coping with the limited storage?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly!! Was thinking the same thing! I mean come on.. seriously. Example: Phone comes with GPS. Hence using a Tomtom / Garmin map would easily take up 1/3 of your 4gb.
If Touch Diamond were to have an external expansion slot. OMG it will be THE PHONE to own...!

I surprised they just didn't put an 8gb chip in it as an absolute minimum as the price of them now are really cheap.
Just using the latest TomTom 7.20 map takes up 1.84gb, so that's almost have the storage gone already.
4gb these days is pretty low.

HTC Diamond or N95 8GB? HELP!!

Hey guys.
At the moment I've got a HTC Elf. Its an ok phone but i want to go onto a price plan with a network and get a brand new phone along with it. So im now torn between the Diamond and the N95, both great smartphones but I need help! Which one is "better"? Im not too bothered about size (within reason) its more about the features and reliability that im looking for.
Also im moving to Australia in around 12 months time with my girlfriend so preferably I would want one that will work on the networks out there and is fairly easily SIM unlocked.
Any ideas??
All comments appreciated!
Thanks!

HTC Diamond of course .I had the N95 8Gb and didn't impress me much.Look at the specs and you'll see why is better the diamond.If you wait 1 month you can buy yourself the perfect phone ,Htc Pro.
Unlocking for the Diamond is free and you can do it in your home.

i too have had an n95(not 8gb). in reality the n95 camera is better then the diamond..... but i wouldnt count diamonds camera out.... it is just as goood as the n95's 5mpx... mpx doesnt always matter

howzatcookie said:
Hey guys.
At the moment I've got a HTC Elf. Its an ok phone but i want to go onto a price plan with a network and get a brand new phone along with it. So im now torn between the Diamond and the N95, both great smartphones but I need help! Which one is "better"? Im not too bothered about size (within reason) its more about the features and reliability that im looking for.
Also im moving to Australia in around 12 months time with my girlfriend so preferably I would want one that will work on the networks out there and is fairly easily SIM unlocked.
Any ideas??
All comments appreciated!
Thanks!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Difficult decision: regarding photo/video quality, the N95 8GB beats the HTC Diamond EASILY, no comparison possible since the N95 8GB plays in a different league.
Then, the differences start: if you have lots of WM programs you still want to use, go for the HTC Diamond. Otherwise, the N95 8GB also allows installing third party programs, unfortunately most of these(commercial) programs are IMEI "locked", so if you exchange your N95 8GB phone with a different Symbian phone, you usually can't immediately use these programs anymore with the new device.
Video playback capability is also much better with the N95 8GB, the Diamond still has issues I'm afraid.
The decision isn't easy but if you're using the phone mainly for your enjoyment and entertainment, I guess the N95 8GB is the better choice in my opinion.
The Diamond has a better support for exchange servers, etc.

I have just switched from the N95 to the HTC Diamond and don't regret it.
Previously I used the XDAII and XDA Exec when they were released and loved the Windows Mobile experiance and big touch screens. I then switched to Nokia for a bit and tried the N73 then the N95 and I have decided I really don't like the Symbian OS and really missed the Windows Mobile software and apps.
Browsing on the HTC Diamond is a dream! The resolution of the screen means web pages look ace and easy to read. It is easy to zoom in and out with the scroll wheel and navigating the pages with a flick of a finger seems so natural.
The ONLY thing I miss about my N95 is that the Diamond doesn't have audio controls on the headset so you have to change the tracks manually on the phone. Although there is software that with the press of a button you can tell the phone to skip to the next track so I just need to get back into that again.
The only downside I have to the Diamond so far is the lack of expandable memory slot. A 4GB memory stick was enough on my N95 but with so much you can do with Windows Mobile phones it isn't enough for me on the Diamond. I will learn to live with it though.
My only other option before I got the Diamond was the Samsung I900 but although it has a bigger screen, it's lower resolution and the I900 doesn't have a scroll wheel so navigating web pages won't feel as enjoyable and easy. THe plus with the I900 though is 8GB or 16GB internal memory AND an expansion slot.
Sorry for the waffle - Final verdict for me is Diamond all the way. Especially with a community like this available.
Trem

I came from N95 8 gig to diamond. mate go fot it.

The Diamond is simply in a different league altogether.

I have them both. Use the Diamond for fun, experimenting and the N95 8GB for when I need a stable device, which can do almost everything and do itquite well. To me the 8GB is the best device, but it's a bit too large.
I am planning on getting rid of one of them within the next few weeks, but right now I am not sure which...

sbcdk said:
I have them both. Use the Diamond for fun, experimenting and the N95 8GB for when I need a stable device, which can do almost everything and do itquite well. To me the 8GB is the best device, but it's a bit too large.
I am planning on getting rid of one of them within the next few weeks, but right now I am not sure which...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, I mean thats what its boiled down to for me at the moment. I love the sleekness of the Diamond and the new TouchFlo 3D stuff with the accelerometer.
However, I followed the Diamond closely ever since it was announced and to be honest I've heard such a range of comments about it and some of the bad stuff said about it gets me worried to some degree. For example I've read alot about the interface being "sluggish" and "un-responsive" and to be honest that ruins the touchscreen feature for me. Although many people say that the reason for the slow speed on some devices is because the people using them are not using them correctly.
As for the N95....I havn't really heard a bad note about it apart from the obvious complaint of its chunkiness and the fact that there isn't a cover for the camera. I also found out that the N95 does actually have a built in accelerometer that was apparently hidden by Nokia. So, to be honest my hand is slowly creeping over to the N95 at the moment for the following reasons:
- 5mp camera (that I've been told is alot more reliable and has more effects)
- 8GB of storage (probably alot more than I will use, but atleast its there if i do need it)
- Quad Band (to be honest I think you only need a Tri Band phone to work in Australia, but its likely I will be doing more travelling)
- Slide out Keypad (I dont dislike the touch keypad on my elf, but I guess I would be able to type quicker with more feedback)
- Chunk (I'll be honest, I'm a clumsy Oaf when it comes to holding anything electrical and small, and I have a bad feeling that perhaps Me and that glossy, shiny finish on the Diamond might not get on well)
- Nokia (frome experience with Nokias you can generally get signal anywhere....however I have yet to find an area where my elf doesnt have signal)
I dont want anyone to think that im casting out the idea of buying the Diamond....trust me im not!
Ahhh God this is gonna take me a while to figure out!
Thanks for your comments so far though guys! (sorry for the long reply here!)

If you want to use phone also for music/radio, then N95 is for you. Diamond as mp3 player is abysmal ( sound quality sucks really hard ), but on other tasks it is better ( except camera ).

8GB of storage really isn't too much, 4GB is too little. I don't trust one single GPS app 100% so I always keep a backup program ready (TT7 + iGO8). 2 x map of europe = most of the 4GB storage is gone. Add a bit of music and that's it.
The 8GB storage on the N95 is nice, but sloooow. Such a relief to be working on the Diamond now, it is much faster.
MP3 on the Diamond has another problem: standby time. It drains the battery almost as fast as movie playback on the N95 8GB. Listen to one hour of music and the battery is almost guaranteed to be dead before you go to bed. HTC really need to take this seriously and do some ROM tweaking to save power, just as Nokia did on the N95.
But the size of the Diamond... If they were the same size, the choice would be easy for me - dump the Diamond. But this is where the Diamond really stands out. Just slide it into your pocket and forget it. No way you can do that with a N95 8GB.
The N95 (8GB) has been on the market for 18 months or so. So many updates, so much better a device now than when it first appeared. The Diamond is still only about one month old. Much can happen during the next few months, especially when it is backed up by a site as great as this. Xda developer is as good a 'feature' as any

I totally know where your all coming from. I guess its so hard to choose between the two because they are so different.
If all the functionality and features of the N95 could be squeezed into the Diamond with TouchFlo 3D over the top, I think we'd have the perfect phone that could shove the iPhone's head up its own ass where it belongs. (no offence to anyone with an iPhone).
However this isn't the case, so I guess were stuck for the moment. I really wanted to make this decision this weekend so I can buy my phone next week, im not sure thats gonna happen now .
I shall Ponder!!

Ok guys so...I had a think about this and while doing some other shopping today I popped into my local T-Mobile shop and got myself a brand new N95 8GB on a £30 price plan.
Now I know some of you...if not all...may be slightly confused with my decision; Why go for a chunky Nokia thats been out for 18 months over a sleek, sexy, new HTC Diamond?
Well to be honest, I did alot of research (in place of Work that I really should have been doing!) and I went around and got some brief hands on use of both handsets, asked friends who have either phone and just found out as much info as I could.
When I got hold of the Diamond for the second time, I was still impressed. It is a fantastic device, end of! But my hand felt empty....a strange use of words but thats how I felt...I couldnt get a half decent grip on the phone either, probably because of its sexy gloss finish.
When I held the N95 8GB (also for the second time) I was overwhelmed, first by its size, and then by just how much it can do. My hand was full, but comfortably. The weight and really stable slider reassured me as I played around with the different stuff available. After playing around for about 20 minutes the sales advisor showed me the quick program menu and told me about the "blue light" at the corner of each program icon that tells you that the program was running....every program had this light (because I used everyone) I was amazed to say the least especially after owning the Elf where you only have to open internet explorer for the phone to begin twitching.
I have to admit that I miss the touch screen a little bit...just being able to physically touch the icon you want is quite satisfying, but (from my experience) slow. On the N95 I fly through different menus in seconds.
Im sorry to be a slight dissapointment to anyone who was certain that I must get the Diamond, but I decided that speed and reliability is what I really want over style and functionality.
I know you guys know your stuff and I will have no shame in reporting any problems I have with the N95 so you can all give a huge "told you so", however I really doubt that situation will ever happen, this phone does basically everything....and does it well!

Ok guys so...I had a think about this and while doing some other shopping today I popped into my local T-Mobile shop and got myself a brand new N95 8GB on a £30 price plan.
Now I know some of you...if not all...may be slightly confused with my decision; Why go for a chunky Nokia thats been out for 18 months over a sleek, sexy, new HTC Diamond?
Well to be honest, I did alot of research (in place of Work that I really should have been doing!) and I went around and got some brief hands on use of both handsets, asked friends who have either phone and just found out as much info as I could.
When I got hold of the Diamond for the second time, I was still impressed. It is a fantastic device, end of! But my hand felt empty....a strange use of words but thats how I felt...I couldnt get a half decent grip on the phone either, probably because of its sexy gloss finish.
When I held the N95 8GB (also for the second time) I was overwhelmed, first by its size, and then by just how much it can do. My hand was full, but comfortably. The weight and really stable slider reassured me as I played around with the different stuff available. After playing around for about 20 minutes the sales advisor showed me the quick program menu and told me about the "blue light" at the corner of each program icon that tells you that the program was running....every program had this light (because I used everyone) I was amazed to say the least especially after owning the Elf where you only have to open internet explorer for the phone to begin twitching.
I have to admit that I miss the touch screen a little bit...just being able to physically touch the icon you want is quite satisfying, but (from my experience) slow. On the N95 I fly through different menus in seconds.
Im sorry to be a slight dissapointment to anyone who was certain that I must get the Diamond, but I decided that speed and reliability is what I really want over style and functionality.
I know you guys know your stuff and I will have no shame in reporting any problems I have with the N95 so you can all give a huge "told you so", however I really doubt that situation will ever happen, this phone does basically everything....and does it well!

I used to own a N95 as well.
I waited for it for months and months before it got released to get it.
for a month or two I worked overtime to be able to buy it as fast as possible.
Finally I had it.
AND I LOVED IT!
I felt the same as you. TONS of stuff it could do, the camera was soooo good. etc etc.
But the reality cought up on me 6 months later and the damn speakers began to get a distorted sound. I had it in for the same problem twice within the next 6 months, and on the third time they switched it ( even though I wanted my money back ) to a new device with a fresh warranty period.
It ran like a charm.
Two months after I got it....same problem. Speakers.
So I went down and started a war against the store I bought it from cause they didn't wanna pay me back.
But I won. Got my money and ran fast to the store on the otherside of the road to buy me an Diamond. And I do NOT regret it. Remember, I LOVED my B95. But even if the camera was a bit better and it played music a TAD better I still don't regret it.
I wanna give you a tip though. If you work or run around in areas with alot of dirt in the air. Like a workshop, put the damn thing in a plastic bag that you can seal, or you will most likely experience the same thing I have.
The hole in the "filter" infron of the side speakers are just to large and that allowes the speaker ( magnet ) to draw particles towards it.
But as far as I am concerned, I will probably never get a Nokia phone again.
Ever since they started with smartphones it has gone down hill imo. Even though N95 and N95 8gig sold pretty well.
Good luck with you new phone though. And Grats.
/Akezzon

May be N95 and Daimond might come close in some features. But what makes daimond to rock is the interface. Its much better than what N95 has to provide. and Ofcourse N95 does not have touch screen. and Daimonds hardware is of cutting edge technology and specs

howzatcookie said:
Yeah, I mean thats what its boiled down to for me at the moment. I love the sleekness of the Diamond and the new TouchFlo 3D stuff with the accelerometer.
However, I followed the Diamond closely ever since it was announced and to be honest I've heard such a range of comments about it and some of the bad stuff said about it gets me worried to some degree. For example I've read alot about the interface being "sluggish" and "un-responsive" and to be honest that ruins the touchscreen feature for me. Although many people say that the reason for the slow speed on some devices is because the people using them are not using them correctly.
As for the N95....I havn't really heard a bad note about it apart from the obvious complaint of its chunkiness and the fact that there isn't a cover for the camera. I also found out that the N95 does actually have a built in accelerometer that was apparently hidden by Nokia. So, to be honest my hand is slowly creeping over to the N95 at the moment for the following reasons:
- 5mp camera (that I've been told is alot more reliable and has more effects)
- 8GB of storage (probably alot more than I will use, but atleast its there if i do need it)
- Quad Band (to be honest I think you only need a Tri Band phone to work in Australia, but its likely I will be doing more travelling)
- Slide out Keypad (I dont dislike the touch keypad on my elf, but I guess I would be able to type quicker with more feedback)
- Chunk (I'll be honest, I'm a clumsy Oaf when it comes to holding anything electrical and small, and I have a bad feeling that perhaps Me and that glossy, shiny finish on the Diamond might not get on well)
- Nokia (frome experience with Nokias you can generally get signal anywhere....however I have yet to find an area where my elf doesnt have signal)
I dont want anyone to think that im casting out the idea of buying the Diamond....trust me im not!
Ahhh God this is gonna take me a while to figure out!
Thanks for your comments so far though guys! (sorry for the long reply here!)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
After the latest ROM update, i find my Diamond blazing fast, not unresponsive like when i first bought it
Also the diamond is now quad band, Htc magically pulled out the 850mhz band in the phone.
In case you didnt knew, the diamond also has a Tv-out! avaible with a special cable that is soon to come
My stephfather just went from N95 to the new iphone 3g, i told him to check out the diamond touch, but he didnt even take a look at it, guess who will be laughing when he gets the iphone^^
i had it for about a day and sold it on

teemupii said:
If you want to use phone also for music/radio, then N95 is for you. Diamond as mp3 player is abysmal ( sound quality sucks really hard ), but on other tasks it is better ( except camera ).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed. Also add the phone - it's, in general, better (and allows for call recording, which is, as usual, missing from the Diamond.)
That is, if you
- need a phone with call recording,
- need multimedia playback, particularly via the built-in speakers,
- CAMERA (which the Diamond really sucks at)
- need LOTS of storage (another no-go for the Diamond)
go for the N95.
(I'd advise againts the 8GB version. Get the "simple" N95 instead.)

Hi Guys,
Let me join in too. Yes, you might have guessed by now. I am also an ex-N95 user. The N95 is one of those phones that I will have a hard time forgetting. As a matter of fact, I sold my N95 to buy the Diamond. I did regret about it in the earlier days when I first got the Diamond. Common problems like system lags, bugs, hang ups, etc made me wanna sell off my Diamond buy back my N95. But flashing the Diamond to new ROMS (cooked of course), the performance of the Diamond improved 100% ! I am beginning to fall in love with my Diamond again.
Regarding howzatcookie's decision to buy the N95 8GB, I know you will regret. Not because you missed out on the Diamond. It's because you are missing out on a better phone, N96, which is due out worldwide in a couple of months time !

$
Let me give you a different point of view:
- if you want to use the device more as computer then use HTC TD, else N95

[Q] HTC HD7 or Samsung Focus or Apple iphone 4?

I am confused which one to buy?
I love WP7 but I'm unsure which of those 3 smartphones to buy.
I hope there will be Zune HD2 and in that case I can have the iphone 4 and an experience of WP7.
Give me your opinions please.

I'm going with the Focus. I've been looking forward to have a phone with a nice 4" AMOLED screen. It only has 8GB internal, but is expandable via MicroSD to 40GB. Plus it has 512MB of RAM so it should be pretty good.
If I was on T-mobile I would go with the HD7, but AT&T is not getting that one. The Surround looks nice, but the focus is thinner and I don't need the speakers. I originally wanted the iPhone 4 when it came out but I was not available for upgrade. And now that I've seen WP7, I'm glad they wouldn't let me upgrade

Personally I would give it a while before making a decision. wp7 is new and probably troublesome. and besides there will be very few programs until it matures a bit...
Whats stopping you from getting an android phone?

Two things attract me towards Focus
1). 1500 mAh battery (HTC giving only 1200 mAh)
2). microSD slot (which I think WinMo7 is forbidding OEMs, somehow Samsung has got the signal)

WP7 supports "extra" memory but not "expandable/removable" memory. If you put in a SD card it will require a hard reset. If you want to upgrade your SD card in the future it will take a hard reset. No big deal if you ask me, I'll probably put in an extra 32GB on day one and be done with it.

TriAxisFL said:
WP7 supports "extra" memory but not "expandable/removable" memory. If you put in a SD card it will require a hard reset. If you want to upgrade your SD card in the future it will take a hard reset. No big deal if you ask me, I'll probably put in an extra 32GB on day one and be done with it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That sounds a lot better than my initial impression of not being able to expand memory size at all. A bit of an odd requirement, but no different than a phone with an SD card slot underneath the battery.
Between the HD7 or the Focus, you simply have to ask yourself if you prefer the deep blacks and vibrant colors of the Focus or the larger screen of the HD7. Will all come down to personal preference. I've got a Captivate right now and I'd love a 4.3" device, but it's going to be hard to give up the Super AMOLED.

manlisten said:
That sounds a lot better than my initial impression of not being able to expand memory size at all. A bit of an odd requirement, but no different than a phone with an SD card slot underneath the battery.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think the reason for the non user replaceable SD cards is due to microsoft wanting to control the file system without user intervention. From their perspective it makes the device safer to manage.
Being able to upgrade the SD card is purely for OEMs hence the reason why it resets the device. The average user wont attempt to upgrade their cards, but it's great to see power users having this ability.
I also think it will vary from OEM to OEM how this is implimented. I cant see HTC making it easily available to users to upgrade so my hat goes of to Samsung for allowing it.
Maybe in the future most OEMS will offer a "one-time-upgrade" at time of purchase or when you buy every OEM has mutltiple options available, they just slip in a card before dispatch.
Anyway, my first WP7 phone is the HD7, my faithful HD2 is on it's last legs and due early retirement. I don't think I could go back to anything smaller.
This time next year I think the WP7 landscape will look completely different with more choice of phones per network (O2 UK currently only offer the HD7), I'll review the replacement for the HD7 again then.

Internal SD Speed ?

Has anyone benchmarked their internal 16gig sd card on the Captivate? I just did mine and it said it was a unknown class..and gave 10 gig mbs write/15gig mbs read speeds..
Does this mean it is a class 10 or higher card?
Mac
edited..I said gigs and meant megs

Right, I'm sure your card's reading/writing 10+GBPS.
You must mean "meg"

PhrProfess said:
Right, I'm sure your card's reading/writing 10+GBPS.
You must mean "meg"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Opps..I did mean mbs..not gigs... my bad
Anyway..it does say unknown class in front..then the 10 -15 speed..

Huh. You know, that's a good question, and I, too, am interested in the answer.
I wonder if how the device mounts the card is in any way a sort of a contributing factor in the internal card's R/W and/or real-world use? Could this even be possible, in theory?—or is there some sort of a simple hardware bottleneck present in the card/chip itself, that thus constricts the efficiency of the phone's access to the card, and in some way puts it on par with a $5 USB-reader?
Is there such a thing as a more efficient, or a better-designed reader—that, if compared to a less efficient/badly-designed reader, would produce two significantly different benchmark-results for the same chip? What sorts of design-flaws could cause such an inferior result?
...Is the "internal SD" memory of the Captivate even comparable to a MicroSD chip at all?—or is it a totally different kind of flash-memory, and thus not subject to class-level designation (except for in comparison)? Perhaps that should've been our first question.
Don't get me wrong: I'm really, genuinely eager to learn how all this fascinating hardware works. Harddrives are pretty cool, too

Hard drives annoy me. I hate how 3 years ago I shelled out a couple hundred for a 300gb hard drive and now I can get a 1TB for 90 bucks!
But back on topic, should the class of the card really matter as long as there aren't seriously noticeable delays when moving data on/off the chip?

miztaken1312 said:
Hard drives annoy me. I hate how 3 years ago I shelled out a couple hundred for a 300gb hard drive and now I can get a 1TB for 90 bucks!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Haha, yeah... but I meant, "how they work". To be sure, the same price-fluctuation occurs with all sorts of fast-evolving products: video-cards, memory-chips, VG consoles, displays, and all kinds of pocket-gadgets (and so on).
Economics often frustrates me. You know, I just bought a 16GB chip for 28$ the other day, and found it on sale for $20 the next day (but mine had already shipped)—and I so much would have rather been ordering a good 32-gig chip... but most are currently on for >$100 (but will surely retail for considerably less come January). Madness!
miztaken1312 said:
But back on topic, should the class of the card really matter as long as there aren't seriously noticeable delays when moving data on/off the chip?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Practically speaking, no—you're right: knowing the supposed class-rating of the chip isn't going to improve data transfer-rates, or anything performance-based... but, I do think that such information is nevertheless useful: it will facilitate for me, and for perhaps others, a more comprehensive understanding of how this sort of hardware works. What we learn from these answers, may serve as background to future questions that we will one day formulate...
...and may even apply, perhaps, to things outside the realm of technology (it certainly has the potential to). To wax poetic for just a moment, I've always been pleasantly surprised to notice the uncanny applicability of seemingly-unrelated areas of study. Truly, what one learns in X, can almost always be extended to Y. For example, what one learns in math class, let's say, is easily extendable well-beyond the realm of algebra (which seems on the surface, to the average high school student, to be an incredibly arcane and impractical and/or irrelevant skill-set—which is hard to learn, and thus often isn't well)—however—in learning how to ninja one's way around an algebraic equation, one also learns how to think logically, and analytically, and does develop one's critical reasoning abilities, and one's memory, and one's capacity for rationality, and keeps one's mind sharp, and trains one's focus, and... so much more.
I'm not looking to marry math or anything; I just think that it's remarkable that most good programmers, strategizers, grammartarians, scientists and even philosophers are also natural mathematicians: they process thoughts in similar ways—point being, seemingly unrelated things, are often quite intertwined. Technology, to me, feels like such a relevant thing to understand fundamentally (given the age we live in, and all). The answers to these questions feel to me... applicable—and thus I seek them. That's what motivates me to.
If that was hard to get through, I apologize. Feel free to respond, or to get back on topic (and I am going to bed).

If that was hard to get through, I apologize. Feel free to respond, or to get back on topic (and I am going to bed).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I understand what you mean..long winded and all
I have a much more simpler reasoning for my question..and that is to replicate the speed of my internal for my external sd card and to make it seamless. While this may not seem to important to some,for me it is. Having it the same will allow any transfers on or off it to be the same.Pause any hd movie loaded on a sd card and fast forward it..how long does it take to watch the movieagain ..do the same on the internal memory..and you will see just why I want it seamless and the same. A class 2 or class 4 card doesn't come close..even the vaulted class 6 isn't nearly as fast..and who knows when we will see good inexpensive class 8 or 10.The speed I got when benchmarking the internal storage lead me to believe it was a very fast flash drive and not a micro sd card as what I was told by the Samsung galaxy techs..and is most likely why I have not recieved any response back from them on where I can purchase one to match it. Getting to see this post earlier begins to confirm this to me..http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8354214&postcount=23...Also.. makes me beg the question to any Samsung represenative that may be following this..Why is it being allowed to be told incorrectly that the internal memory is a micro sd card..when it is not ?
I have a Transcend 8 gig class 6 coming tomorrow..and I'll benchmark that and time both storage to show you what I mean..
Mac

What app do you use to benchmark it? I have a class 10 coming from a friend at the factory. We are thinking about selling them, but would have to charge $69 including Priority Mail.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

RDI said:
What app do you use to benchmark it? I have a class 10 coming from a friend at the factory. We are thinking about selling them, but would have to charge $69 including Priority Mail.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
sorry to bump an old thread but i couldn't find anything on speed testing on the phone and same goes for the market other than a paid app

[Q] advice to buy nexus or....

Hi to all,
like I said HERE I'm going to buy a nexus one...for a very good price...
do you think is a good choice instead of buying the sony ericsson x10?
I like sony ericsson really much, and I like its design and 4 inch display, but I think nexus is more permormant, and amoled is great...
let me know I don't want to buy an android that is not so good...
Thanks
EDIT:
I have another stupid question: can I install app on the sd card? because I read that nexus have 200mb for installing software...is really limited

Have you used the sony ericsson before? Or do you just like the design/4 inch display? I personally don't like SE Phones and don't like the software either. Never had a good experience I do miss the old days though ... I forget the name of the phone I Think it was like w850i or something olddd phones but great. I don't like their smartphones. If I were you I'd get the nexus one over the SE x10 (I did that) but honestly I wouldn't get either. There are too many newer and better phones out now! and yep you can install apps on the sd card. The nexus one internal blows (I think most people do it cause you cant install many apps without it)

ok but with 190$ I think I can't buy a phone better than nexus one or x10

You will regret getting a Sony Ericsson android phone. Definitely nexus one.

RealPsygnosis said:
EDIT:
I have another stupid question: can I install app on the sd card? because I read that nexus have 200mb for installing software...is really limited
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes you can install apps to SD. Not all apps can be moved though. There is also a trick to force apps to SD even if the dev didn't program it that way, and you don't even need root to do it. I'll post the link when I get home.
Sent via 1s and 0s through time and space using my Defy.

Here are two links that should help you if you want to move most (if not all) apps to sd. I've done it on my N1, and I can tell you it works perfect. The best part about this method is it makes the sd the default location, and bypasses the internal storage all together, so you can even download huge apps. An example is Plants vs Zombies. My internal space available is 25MB. PvsZ is 75MB on it's own, but with this method I was able to get it on my N1 with no issues at all. I think the only apps you can't move are Google apps like Maps, Amazon MP3, etc. You can even move Flash to the sd with this. Enjoy.
EDIT: Yes you can move the apps back to internal if you need to. They don't have to stay on the sd. Just pointing this out as widgets shouldn't be on the sd.
http://androinica.com/2010/08/how-to-install-apps-to-the-sd-card-by-default-on-android-2-2-froyo/
http://androidforums.com/nexus-one/270910-internal-storage-space-rant.html

liam.lah said:
You will regret getting a Sony Ericsson android phone. Definitely nexus one.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I didn't understand...you advice me SE or N1?
bobbyphoenix said:
Yes you can install apps to SD. Not all apps can be moved though. There is also a trick to force apps to SD even if the dev didn't program it that way, and you don't even need root to do it. I'll post the link when I get home.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Really really thanks a lot for the links

RealPsygnosis said:
I didn't understand...you advice me SE or N1?
Really really thanks a lot for the links
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No problem. And for the post about the SE or N1 they are saying get an N1. The SE will disappoint you. You will be very happy with the N1. I love mine.

Highly recommend the N1 over the SE!

the nexus one is a superb device for 190 dollars. i would go with the n1 over the SE without a doubt.

So far I have purchased two N1's used and it has been the best phone purchase so far. I paid more than what you are paying for so yes I think it is the better choice than the SE.
The first N1 purchase was for myself but my wife liked it so much I gave it to her and bought me another N1. You will not be disappointed.
Not sure if you know but I'll inform you just in case. Google sold the N1 with two base bands. One for AT&T 3G and another for T-mobile 3G. One way to physically tell the difference is by checking the following link below I pulled from the Google forums:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=395c29e6b9cab6bc&hl=en
I also pasted the information from the link above:
Pull the battery and look for the PB # which is located just below the IMEI, S/N, and P/N #’s. You should see one of two PB numbers:
PB99110: 850 MHz, 1900 MHz, and 2100 MHz such as AT&T
PB99100: 900 MHz, AWS, 1700 and 2100 MHz such as T-Mobile
_____________________
Rooted Nexus One [T-mobile]
ROM: CM7 RC4-N1
Recovery: ClockworkMod 3.0.0.5

I only owned SE phones from the T68i on... Then I bought the X10 and loved it for a while because it was my first Android phone, but I found myself always wanting more out of it and realized that every mod I was doing was basically to get on par with other phones. I looked into the Nexus One and went for it.
I have never looked back and cannot believe I even wasted my time on the X10 for a few months. The N1 is a far superior user experience and just a better phone. I still love the device now and have not thought about upgrading yet. This is the most solid experience you're going to get for $190, not to mention if you are looking to flash custom roms and/or kernels, etc... you DO NOT want to deal with SE's UI at all..

but for the battery life?

RealPsygnosis said:
but for the battery life?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My N1 can go two days easy with moderate use. Screen on time for two days is around 3 1/2 to 4 hours. That's on the stock battery, so I'm happy. You can get higher capacity batteries the same size from Mugen, or Seidio, so even if you need more life, you can always get a higher capacity battery.

Nexus one's so-called drawbacks：
No Physical buttons Absolutely. though physical keyboard is not that important, buttons certainly are.
Only Trackball, Not Optical
besides this in general its fine.

Trackball is great. I honestly do not know what im going to do when my next phone does not have trackball colours.

Trackball notify me for sms and calls?
I just love the way the SE P1 (the most beautiful phone I have had so far) notify the messages...
Oh I have another two question (this evening I'm going to take the n1):
1)can I import windows contacts?
2)how about push notification? they are like iphone?

Dunno. Optical Sensor is supposed to have better feeling...

phoeagon said:
Nexus one's so-called drawbacks：
No Physical buttons Absolutely. though physical keyboard is not that important, buttons certainly are.
Only Trackball, Not Optical
besides this in general its fine.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think if the buttons were actually centered to the icons for touch I wouldn't mind as much, but having to touch slightly above the icons makes me want physical buttons, so there are no misses. I love the ball instead of the optical. Notifications are awesome, and I have excellent accuracy with it.

bobbyphoenix said:
I think if the buttons were actually centered to the icons for touch I wouldn't mind as much, but having to touch slightly above the icons makes me want physical buttons, so there are no misses. I love the ball instead of the optical. Notifications are awesome, and I have excellent accuracy with it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Physical buttons are old school and are on their way out...kinda like the resistive screen, keyboard, etc.!