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HI all i desperately need a front-facing vga camera 'cause i wanna do like our brothers did on hermes, installing a vga camera for video calling, i live in italy and i can use that. Can anyone send me a spare kaiser front camera or point me to a shop that sells it? Are the hermes' front cameras the same? thanks in advance!
buy a tytn II and sell your tilt on ebay
not a smart move
i prefer to do-it-myself because i dont wanna sell my tilt, i worked so much for having it and i wanna upgrade it, does anyone knows if the front camera of the hermes is the same as the tytn2? thank you.
I think the point is really that lots of people have asked about this and no one has been successful, as it appears that the tilt is missing hardware support for the front camera.
Your cheapest option might be to sell the tilt and get a tytn ii.
The only way to check this out is disassembling my tilt and see if there is any connector for cam like the At&t hermes do. thank you for the reply
RE: front camera conversion quest
I have some international friends that I would ery much enjoy calling via video, but I unfortunately have my service through AT&T,being in the US.
After a very frustrating search, I found the front camera on EBAY-
http://cgi.ebay.com/FRONT-CAMERA-RE...hash=item330269991993&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177
I also read in another thread that these are basically plug and go, and once in, one could istall a new ROM, and then make the calls- (network restrictions aside). My hope is that someone far more talented than myself will handle the hardware install/conversion, and successfully utilize the front camera. Then I could at least know it can be done, set up my device, then when I find a network that will support the call formats I require, set up my service and make the calls as I wish.
So- anyone out there who can furher this endeavor, thank you beforehand!
The seller says that the camera that he's selling will not fit on a Tytn II.
i'll try to fit the cam on that link on my tilt but it can take long time 'cause the seller is in HK and i'm in Italy and 'cause in this moment i'm with no money on pocket...i got no job ...keep me informed...
already try to fit a hermes camera on a tilt, it is not even close to fit!,
the housing has the hole and the board the connector
on the other hand I Try a video call with my tilt and I can see the other party but i can't show anything (video, picture, back camera)
anyway to make the system think it has a front camera so it allow me to use back camera?
or any place where they sell the front camera?
because of my experience when the front camera of my hermes get disconected I couldn't switch to the back camera, so I think there is something that tells the system there is no camera atached on the front
thanks in advance
sorry about my poor english
regards
The point is that noone sells tytnII cam, it's like the mda VarioII cam so if u have a mda VarioII take it apart and get the cam, 'cuz the tytn II front cam isn't a simple vga cam but a 0.3mpx cam. thanks for the replies, i'll keep you informed about changes.
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The point is that noone sells tytnII cam
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No, because there's no point in doing it. You want a front cam, get a Tytn 2 instead of a Tilt. Easy...
I wouldn't want to start drilling my front case to add the camera if even possible (the Tilt might not even have the camera connector inside). Buying a cam and another front cover with the hole would most likely cost more than selling your tilt and buying a Tytn 2. With the loss of warranty and added risk of screwing things up.
While searching the web for a few things I ran across this file, I hope it can be of use to others as well.
Asus ME370T Schematics
Enjoy.
So as rear camera they sepose to use a OV5650 module.
Just soldering one to the pcb won't work, will it? That would be too easy.
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While searching the web for a few things I ran across this file, I hope it can be of use to others as well.
Asus ME370T Schematics
Enjoy.
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This is GREAT!
Unfortunately, this file only has 44 of the 99 pages mentioned on the 1st page of the PDF.
Can you do a little more snooping around to see if there are any other docs for the ME370T?
Thanks. I'm going to be trying to add the 5MP camera from a TF-101 to my N7 and these are a BIG help.
See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31936554&postcount=88
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This is GREAT!
Unfortunately, this file only has 44 of the 99 pages mentioned on the 1st page of the PDF.
Can you do a little more snooping around to see if there are any other docs for the ME370T?
Thanks. I'm going to be trying to add the 5MP camera from a TF-101 to my N7 and these are a BIG help.
See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31936554&postcount=88
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Did you make any progress on this? Is the schematic valid for the 7? I have a bunch of ov5642 modules (with AF VCM) that I might want to integrate and would be nice to know if this is worth looking into.
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Did you make any progress on this? Is the schematic valid for the 7? I have a bunch of ov5642 modules (with AF VCM) that I might want to integrate and would be nice to know if this is worth looking into.
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I just took delivery of an N7 with a cracked touchscreen yesterday (it works fine with an external USB mouse).
The rear camera has a 24 pin inline connector.
The original camera on the ME370T device was an 8MP autofocus module.
I received the 5MP autofocus module from an Asus TF-101 and I scavenged a 26pin connector from a DVD drive.
I need to dig up the drivers and kernel bits for the rear TF-101 camera. Hopefully, someone has the individual modules available for the Jellybean release or maybe if I talk nice to one of the kernel devs, they can add them in to one of the offshoot kernels for me to try, one I get the hardware installed.
Note - this is not for the novice weekend hardware hacker - I've been working in electronics for many years and have some of the latest tools for surfacemount rework needed to install the connector.
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I just took delivery of an N7 with a cracked touchscreen yesterday (it works fine with an external USB mouse).
The rear camera has a 24 pin inline connector.
The original camera on the ME370T device was an 8MP autofocus module.
I received the 5MP autofocus module from an Asus TF-101 and I scavenged a 26pin connector from a DVD drive.
I need to dig up the drivers and kernel bits for the rear TF-101 camera. Hopefully, someone has the individual modules available for the Jellybean release or maybe if I talk nice to one of the kernel devs, they can add them in to one of the offshoot kernels for me to try, one I get the hardware installed.
Note - this is not for the novice weekend hardware hacker - I've been working in electronics for many years and have some of the latest tools for surfacemount rework needed to install the connector.
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if you get this working is there a chance you'd be willing to commission yourself to do others N7's?
bigbop said:
I just took delivery of an N7 with a cracked touchscreen yesterday (it works fine with an external USB mouse).
The rear camera has a 24 pin inline connector.
The original camera on the ME370T device was an 8MP autofocus module.
I received the 5MP autofocus module from an Asus TF-101 and I scavenged a 26pin connector from a DVD drive.
I need to dig up the drivers and kernel bits for the rear TF-101 camera. Hopefully, someone has the individual modules available for the Jellybean release or maybe if I talk nice to one of the kernel devs, they can add them in to one of the offshoot kernels for me to try, one I get the hardware installed.
Note - this is not for the novice weekend hardware hacker - I've been working in electronics for many years and have some of the latest tools for surfacemount rework needed to install the connector.
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The TF101 uses ov5640 sensor. I don't know who produces the module though. Basic drivers for ov5640 (no AF) are out there and it should be possible to integrate them. Since the camera connector is 24 pin, I would assume that it is MIPI.
That will be an awesome thing to add! seriously :laugh:
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The TF101 uses ov5640 sensor. I don't know who produces the module though. Basic drivers for ov5640 (no AF) are out there and it should be possible to integrate them. Since the camera connector is 24 pin, I would assume that it is MIPI.
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The 24 pin connector on the back uses the serial interface from the camera.
Have a look at the schematics I've uploaded ( I grabbed these from the ME370T PDF)
I have the OV5640 spec sheet but it's only for the image module, not the complate device with the 24pin flex cable.
It appears just from eyeballing the TF-101 5MP camera module, it's a perfect match for the N7 rear connector.
bigbop said:
The 24 pin connector on the back uses the serial interface from the camera.
Have a look at the schematics I've uploaded ( I grabbed these from the ME370T PDF)
I have the OV5640 spec sheet but it's only for the image module, not the complate device with the 24pin flex cable.
It appears just from eyeballing the TF-101 5MP camera module, it's a perfect match for the N7 rear connector.
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I know of three connection types for cameras:
CSI (Serial) - older cameras (around foryo time) used this
DVB - Not used
CSI2 / MIPI - Used by most new components. I believe the ov cameras support both (CSI and MIPI)
The actual ov modules are built by 3rd party companies like Trully, Globaloptics, Sunix etc. Finding the correct data sheet is the tough part because the modules are not marked. One possible way to solve this is to reverse engineer the driver for the TF101, if it's available, or to go with a module that you know. Like I said before i have a handful of ov5642 modules with a 24pin flatflex...
Take a look at the attached pics. On the left is a ov3640 by Sunny Optix, on the right ov5642 by Trully. Both have 24pin flatflex with pins down.
Based on your docs and images from ifixit (sorry, have not taken apart my N7), it looks like all we need is a surface mounted 24 flatflex connector at CON3 or am I missing something?
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Based on your docs and images from ifixit (sorry, have not taken apart my N7), it looks like all we need is a surface mounted 24 flatflex connector at CON3 or am I missing something?
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Yup, I've got a 26 pin connector I removed from a DVD drive. I figure I can put in a small spacer to ensure the flex stays in place. I found a 24pin connector on Newark Electronics website but there's a $15 shipping charge for a $2 connector.
+1
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Based on your docs and images from ifixit (sorry, have not taken apart my N7), it looks like all we need is a surface mounted 24 flatflex connector at CON3 or am I missing something?
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A correct camera module, connector, drivers/config files, etc.
I'm going to start a new thread specifically for getting the rear camera working on the Nexus 7 as we've essentially hijacked this thread.
New Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1990387
Hi Folks,
I have created this thread to both discuss the possibility of and working to add back, the original 5MP rear camera to the Asus nexus 7 tablet that Google had Asus remove from the retail device.
This is essentially a continuation of the posts I started in the Asus ME370T Schematics thread .
This is what I've done so far:
- Purchased a Nexus 7 with a cracked touch surface as my hardware hacking device. It works with a usb mouse just great :laugh:
- Purchased a used Asus TF-101 5MP rear camera module from Ebay
- Studied the Nexus schematics (available here) and created small schematic sub-sheets specifically for the camera and power circuits
- Inspected both the camera module pins and the rear CON3 connector pins on the Nexus PCB - they match 100% electrically
- Recovered a connector from an old DVD drive for installation at CON3 - (Newark wants $15 S&H for a $2 part)
What needs to be done next:
- Remove the shields from the Nexus PCB and determine if there are any surface mount components that are missing that will prevent the rear camera from working.
- If parts are missing - use the available schematics (Nexus and other) to make an educated guess of what parts are missing and install them.
- Check the system logs to see how the front camera shows up when detected.
- Install the connector at CON3
- Boot the device and verify the front camera still works
- Install and verify the camera module is seated properly and there is a proper electrical connection to CON3.
- Boot up the unit and check the system logs to see if the rear camera is detected.
- Determine if the front camera still works.
At this point, since there is no driver for a rear camera in the Nexus 7, I will need to find the driver for it from the TF-101 ICS or JB ROM in addition to determining what configuration files need to be modified/created.
These are the schematics and photos I have so far and have attached below:
-rear camera (CON3) pinouts, camera power circuits, picture showing the TF-101 5MP module beside CON3, front camera pinouts
Please note
- I am NOT willing to modify any on else's Nexus if this works. I'm in Canada and it's too much of a hassle (and expensive) to ship stuff around up here. Besides, the front glass is just too fragile on these devices.
- This project is not for the weekend experimenter - I use a microscope and special soldering equipment when working on devices like this. If all you have is a solder gun/pencil, this project is not for you.
- I make no representations of fitness for any particular use and if you attempt to 'play' or modify your Nexus 7 following any details provided in this thread, you will be totally responsible for everything (good or bad) that happens to your device. That is why I purchased a partially broken device ($50 on Ebay) specifically to play with.
So, who IS this project for?
- It's for all the experienced hardware hackers out there who are able to work with devices like the Nexus 7 without destroying anything and want to 'play' with their toys!
- It's also for any software types who would be happy to help with the driver and config files to get a rear camera functional. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. I'm a hardware guy - always have been - always will be.
The Camera Module:
The current REAR camera module as specified in the schematics is an OV5650. There has been some talk of using an OV5640 or OV5642. The FRONT camera module is an Aptina 1040.
The issue with this is the modules need to have the exact same electrical pinout as CON3. Maybe someone can find a source for replacement TF-101 rear camera modules out of Asia?
There was also some talk of the front 1.2MP camera using the same electrical (MIPI) interface with 24pins but having a different pin assignment for the data lines. If that's the case, then theoretically, one should be able to re-wire an additional front camera to CON3 and you should be able to use both.
Another item of note is the camera configuration file in /system. It appears that one of the directives in addition to 'front' & 'rear' is 'USB'.
Does that mean with the right driver, USB camera and OTG connector we can use external cameras with the Nexus 7?
If indeed we can, then we don't need to hack CON3 and instead, use an external high-res USB camera.
Unfortunately, the device uses USB v2.0 so an external camera would probably suffer from a slow frame rate - or would it?
This is what this thread is about - playing with the Nexus 7 to add either a rear camera internally or externally.
Comments? Questions? Additions? Drivers?
Very neat. Following this thread
Use an iPhone 4 rear 5MP camera module?
Now this is interesting....
The ME370T schematics for the Nexus 7 specify the rear camera module as being an OV5650.
This document claims the iPhone 4's rear camera module is ALSO the OV5650 as do a number of other teardown reports.
In addition, the iPhone's module has an LED flash!
Ebay has a pile of vendors that sell the iPhone 4 rear camera module very cheaply.
In fact this vendor has them new for $2.50 as of Nov 13/12.
Of course you need to remember that the pinout is completely different.
Anyone have the iPhone 4 schematics for the rear camera?
bigbop said:
Now this is interesting....
The ME370T schematics for the Nexus 7 specify the rear camera module as being an OV5650.
This document claims the iPhone 4's rear camera module is ALSO the OV5650 as do a number of other teardown reports.
In addition, the iPhone's module has an LED flash!
Ebay has a pile of vendors that sell the iPhone 4 rear camera module very cheaply.
In fact this vendor has them new for $2.50 as of Nov 13/12.
Of course you need to remember that the pinout is completely different.
Anyone have the iPhone 4 schematics for the rear camera?
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I would not waste time on a ovt module for the iphone. It very likely is a custom module with who knows what inside. If you get lucky, you will get the sensor up and running, but forget about the AF VCM and the DSP operation. The module might be labeled 5650, but I guarantee you that it was a custom job for Apple. If you look at the grouper kernel source tree, there is ov5650.c, but this driver is bare-bones. All it has the inits for the different resolutions and read/write gain and exposure functions.
My suggestion is to first try to integrate a lower-end ovt module that has a public driver and that you know the pinout to. If I find sombody local in socal that can solder the surface mount for me, I will try to integrate the ov5642 because I have the full schematics and the driver already written. After that the next step will be to try to integrate a higher end module, most likely something based on the imx105 from Sony.
If you comfortable compiling drivers, take a look at the ov5642 for a DellStreak5. The kernel that has been open sourced by Dell, has the full driver including the firmware for the micro that controls the AF VCM.
Cool...Nice to hear that,Good luck mate for ur success.
my two cents
would it be possible to flip the front cam around or something? like take the front cam then make a cable or resolder the connector on the other side, something like that.
you might also be able to make something like the vainworks stand but that makes a back cam, not front; or something.
I dont really know, just throwing out ideas here.
good luck!
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would it be possible to flip the front cam around or something? like take the front cam then make a cable or resolder the connector on the other side, something like that.
you might also be able to make something like the vainworks stand but that makes a back cam, not front; or something.
I dont really know, just throwing out ideas here.
good luck!
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I looked at the full schematics again and it appears the front camera uses 1 serial data pair whereas the rear uses 2 serial pairs. It might still be possible to use a front camera on the rear but since the TF101 camera is already the one that appears to be a drop-in, I'll stick with that for now.
Set from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
raf1hh said:
I would not waste time on a ovt module for the iphone. It very likely is a custom module with who knows what inside. If you get lucky, you will get the sensor up and running, but forget about the AF VCM and the DSP operation. The module might be labeled 5650, but I guarantee you that it was a custom job for Apple. If you look at the grouper kernel source tree, there is ov5650.c, but this driver is bare-bones. All it has the inits for the different resolutions and read/write gain and exposure functions.
My suggestion is to first try to integrate a lower-end ovt module that has a public driver and that you know the pinout to. If I find sombody local in socal that can solder the surface mount for me, I will try to integrate the ov5642 because I have the full schematics and the driver already written. After that the next step will be to try to integrate a higher end module, most likely something based on the imx105 from Sony.
If you comfortable compiling drivers, take a look at the ov5642 for a DellStreak5. The kernel that has been open sourced by Dell, has the full driver including the firmware for the micro that controls the AF VCM.
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I understand, but at $2.50 ea, I ordered one to play with.
One trick I've developed to interconnect devices that use flex cables is to use an intermediate flex as an adapter.
That is to say, I grab a flex cable used in a DVD/CD drive, slice it down to the correct pin width and then create offset solder tabs along the cable by scraping off the protective plastic covering. See photo below.
Yes, I may probably get signal reflections ocurring if the data rates are high, but that is the chance I'm willing to take. It just makes interfacing so much cheaper and simpler. Again, you need a very fine soldering tip (0.3mm) and a microscope to work with this.
I've also included photos of the TF-101 5MP camera for the part numbers.
As I mentioned previously, it would be nice to find an inexpensive source for the TF-101 5MP camera modules.
Hopefully, someone will be able to identify the module from the part numbers below.
UPDATE: I just Googled the flex number and up pops the module, for sale from Asus in Europe of all places. A little pricey though:
CAMERA MODULE 5.0M PIXEL
Product Info
Order number: 04G625000810
Type: CAMERA
Description: LITEON/10P2SA511
Price Info: 37.03 Eur
Hi,
is it possible to create a video input (HDMI or Composite) instead of rear camera??
audiophile1 said:
Hi,
is it possible to create a video input (HDMI or Composite) instead of rear camera??
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That would require making a new thread at the risk of becoming off topic.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
I was hoping that this thread would show up eventually. I added a front facing cam to my Vibrant, but it looks like this might be a little more complicated.
Good luck, I'm interested in seeing where this goes.
Does anybody have a N7 with a broken screen that they would like to sell to help the cause? I have a mint conditions N7 and would rather keep it that way
Thanks
Gotta love that XDA community.
raf1hh said:
Does anybody have a N7 with a broken screen that they would like to sell to help the cause? I have a mint conditions N7 and would rather keep it that way
Thanks
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1997273
Check with this guy, he broke his screen, maybe he'd be willing to sell it.
raf1hh said:
Does anybody have a N7 with a broken screen that they would like to sell to help the cause? I have a mint conditions N7 and would rather keep it that way
Thanks
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Check out Kijiji and Ebay - I picked up one from each for an average of $60.
Both are 16GB units with cracked touchscreens.
Everything else works on them and I've been using them with USB mice.
You just need to be patient.
In the last week, Newark Electronics has reduced its shipping charge to Canada from $15 down to $8.
This means I will now order the proper 24pin FPC connectors I need for CON3.
In case anyone else is thinking of ordering these connectors, they are here.
The connector needs to have the pins inside along the top, not the bottom.
I'm going to wait until Black Friday though as Newark a bunch of other stuff on sale I need.
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Check out Kijiji and Ebay - I picked up one from each for an average of $60.
Both are 16GB units with cracked touchscreens.
Everything else works on them and I've been using them with USB mice.
You just need to be patient.
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Thanks, I got one of ebay yesterday for 71 bucks. I also found a shop that will do the surface mount connector for me next week.
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Thanks, I got one of ebay yesterday for 71 bucks. I also found a shop that will do the surface mount connector for me next week.
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All you need now is the 5MP rear camera module from a TF-101 tablet.
I scored one on ebay for 99 cents (but $8 shipping).
Remember that you need a connector that has the internal pins across the top, not the bottom. Look at the photo of the camera module in my 1st post. The flex cable pins face up when the module is mounted.
I had hoped to sell my busted screen N7 (8 gig) for $75-100....
Might not be realistic though. I am buying a new tablet, and this broken one needs a good home... I only used it for 4 days before it broke.
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All you need now is the 5MP rear camera module from a TF-101 tablet.
I scored one on ebay for 99 cents (but $8 shipping).
Remember that you need a connector that has the internal pins across the top, not the bottom. Look at the photo of the camera module in my 1st post. The flex cable pins face up when the module is mounted.
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I'm hoping to reuse an existing ov5642 module + flash board that I have laying around. Hopefully my new tablet will get here next week so I can get started on this project. Btw, did you probe your board already, are the schematics valid?
I currently have xperia z. Very bugged by the back plate ungluing problem. I am planning to get the xperia z1. Does it have any such problems like ungluing and how is the audio quality ( Speker)?
The FBI can get your fingerprint with satellite off the back of it, thats the only problem with the back! and the audio is not so great for a phone but definitely one of the bests I know out of a waterproof speaker (considering its size)... but the camera is bugging me hard, so much noise...
Certainly you can, the easiest (legal) way to obtain it is by using an exchange medium such as money, then simply enter any outlet selling the item and offer up your cash. Alternatively you could sell an organ, but I suggest the first option.
On a serious note, I bought it and love it, it is stylish, great display (on mine anyway) great camera (in manual mode) audio via speaker is fine as good as or better than my S4, audio via headset is absolutely superb, compares to both HTC One and S4. As for the housing issues I do believe they have been sorted out and upgraded hence the higher IP waterproof rating.
Hi,
My camera lost quality picture. So I plan to buy a new OEM camera piece. I know how to open the phone, but I don't know how to pull out the camera and replace for the new one.
Is there someone who knows how to change the 13MP rear camera on HTC One Mini 2? Thanks in advance.
Hsuan24 said:
Hi,
My camera lost quality picture. So I plan to buy a new OEM camera piece. I know how to open the phone, but I don't know how to pull out the camera and replace for the new one.
Is there someone who knows how to change the 13MP rear camera on HTC One Mini 2? Thanks in advance.
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you might just need to clean it but heres a video how
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I_uONzmaiQ
Here different picture from different phone.
1) HTC One S
2) Samsung Galaxy S2 GT-I9100
3) HTC One Mini 2
You can see HTC One Mini 2 picture is less color and not clear.
Hsuan24 said:
Here different picture from different phone.
1) HTC One S
2) Samsung Galaxy S2 GT-I9100
3) HTC One Mini 2
You can see HTC One Mini 2 picture is less color and not clear.
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have you thought about sending to HTC for repair???