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Hi,
Using a self-powered USB hub, is there a way to make the XDA to read/write to a USB flash-disk ? (without using a PC).
Thx in advance
Dont think so, usb uses a master/slave type of protocol, both the hub and the xda are seen as slaves and cannot talk to one another as far as I know.
yep thats true when it comes to usb
there is 1 master and all other devices is seen as
peripheral devices and cant access anybody but the master
which is pretty much always the pc
suppose that the xda could be changed so it could act as master
but it would require mayor changed to it's usb interface
and would require that it only tried to be master when no other master was present on the chain
more about usb read here
http://www.usb.org/home
Thx mates,
the idea came to my mind after seeing how easy to use flash disks and the silly need to get a PC or laptop to move its data to the XDA. May be in future some one will come up with a "22pin-female USB" cable to access flash disks .... I understand of course there will be special s/w on the XDA side to manage this operation
or even better ... a USB port in XDA III
yes sooner or later it's bound to become std that the pda can be master i seem to recall that some brand of pda's can but i forget which ones it is
also a possible way to do it would be a backpack
or even a odd SDIO card (odd because it would have to be a bit thick if it had to have a std usb connector )
Would it be possible to connect a USB stick to the Diamond by using this adapter ?
Diamond has no USB Host, so no
It would look ridiculous anyway. The Diamond is so small you can afford to carry that AND an Archos anyway. That is what I will do.
Ingvarr said:
Diamond has no USB Host, so no
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I guess because the hardware doesn't support it??
I had this feature on my Flame, was cool but I didn't use it much. You could even connect KB/mouse!
Ingvarr said:
Diamond has no USB Host, so no
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I think so too, but as you can see in service manual, htc connects an memory card reader through an Y-USB cradle to read the service-test sd card.
Doesn't that mean that there must be a way to host a device?
(The second one is an ac-adaptor.)
regards
eurofan said:
Would it be possible to connect a USB stick to the Diamond by using this adapter ?
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Where did you find this USB Stick ?
I am searching for that to use with the Diamond and try it
Here you are:
Intos-USB-Adapter-Adapter-USB-Buchse
cable version
regards
demacus said:
I think so too, but as you can see in service manual, htc connects an memory card reader through an Y-USB cradle to read the service-test sd card.
Doesn't that mean that there must be a way to host a device?
(The second one is an ac-adaptor.)
regards
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yeah it looks like it works on the picture.
would be nice to be able to add usbstick to our Diamond, for backup and easy install
where did the pic come from? does the diamond recognize the flash drive?
The picture is from the HTC service manual - it shows how to attach the service test sd card to the device.
I think it should recognize the drive, otherwise they couldn't test the device...
demacus said:
The picture is from the HTC service manual - it shows how to attach the service test sd card to the device.
I think it should recognize the drive, otherwise they couldn't test the device...
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Where can we download it?
xda-dev wiki... like all the other manuals too.
Ok, I must be mistaken here then. Diamond have USB host, at least hardware support for it (unless they have some crossover MC inside this "Y-cable").
Hovewer it seems that it have only limited support in bootloader to load ROM image from memory stick.
Question is if it have the host driver in the Windows Mobile to actually support USB accesses inside WM?
Even soldered myself an y-wire for testing.
Inside Windows Mobile nothing happens when the stick is plugged in. (used an 8GB USB-Stick)
Diamond research section is not so far in the moment, so I don't know how to test if it will work in bootloader mode.
I think they have some electronics switched between device and disk, for access without driver.
edit: removed stupid thoughts, now simple using cat command...
regards
Hi
Is there any progress on this? Do you think we may have usb host for the Diamond at some point in the future?
So, let's push this thread.
I tried to connect an 8GB USB stick throught my self-soldered wire, I've put Diamond into "USB trigger mode" but without any success.
Now we have to figure out which devices can be connected in USB-mode...
I got a few exams in this week, so I'm gonna try at weekend to connect an simple sd card reader.
regards
demacus said:
So, let's push this thread.
I tried to connect an 8GB USB stick throught my self-soldered wire, I've put Diamond into "USB trigger mode" but without any success.
Now we have to figure out which devices can be connected in USB-mode...
I got a few exams in this week, so I'm gonna try at weekend to connect an simple sd card reader.
regards
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i think you should try a smaller stick...
as i remember there were problems in "window mobiling" with external drives (SD cards..) larger than 1GB
any luck with , would be tops
any progress?... I am looking forward..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413510
Ok i read a few posts here that diamond has usb host. Depending on the information how you can flash your rom using card reader it must have. And one thing more i found usb host debuging program. So i think it must have.
The question here is - does someone managed to use it for hard drive or keyboard or something like that ?
Regards
IIRC, the USB host functionality is only available in the boot loader, and there is no driver included for when WM is actually running.
Ok but cant it be included somehow in the windows ?
Diamond does not have USB host functionality. AFAIK, currently only X75xx series offers it.
kdskamal said:
Diamond does not have USB host functionality. AFAIK, currently only X75xx series offers it.
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So, could somebody more capable extract driver from that device and cook a new ROM maybe?????
kdskamal said:
Diamond does not have USB host functionality. AFAIK, currently only X75xx series offers it.
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And the Toshiba G900 has it as well. And it was frickin awsome .....
Last call !!!!
I am trying to draw an attention of experts/cooks again.
Please could somebody elaborate problem of an USB host within Diamond. Is it really impossible to add/implement the USB host driver into Diamond ROM or somewhere else to have that feature in? I simply do not believe in that.
its possible....but the diamond lacks developer's support , sadly
blufade said:
its possible....but the diamond lacks developers support , sadly
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That maybe true, I don't know, but I'm sure the Raphael doesn't, so perhaps look for a solution in that forum?
If i knew how to write one i would do it -.-
USB Host
any conclusions yet? does this mean that the diamond has hardware in it, but does not have the driver? have anyone tried this cable? http://www.nazo-fjt.com/ptcep/w-zero3/es_usb.html
it's in japanese though, but in seconds through babelfish, it is readable in english.
anybody?
for example: anyone can modify RescoExplorer. so when you connect a pendrive to diamond, by resco you can see the pendrive as a second storage......i think thath the logic is this...
any news about this?I'm very interested in it...
There are news! It's there! Now we'd need a host driver and then a lot of Windows Mobile drivers for a lot of devices (what about watching TV with DVB stick? *fg*).
so do what about our WinMo's... I think its only for androids
Is this (as title) possible, I mean there are these foldable silicone keyboards wich are small and easy to take with you, but is there any software which makes it work?
Thanks in advaced
Willem
I was able to achieve this with my TyTn II and my diNovo edge. But as far as Iremember the behaviour was quite strange with non standard char (àéô...).
I tried just 5 minutes, just wanted to see if the dinovo edge was able to achieve it.
fun_key said:
I was able to achieve this with my TyTn II and my diNovo edge. But as far as Iremember the behaviour was quite strange with non standard char (àéô...).
I tried just 5 minutes, just wanted to see if the dinovo edge was able to achieve it.
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Did you connect it with USB? cause if that worked I supose all keyboards maid work, I now Bluetooth special keyboards does work well but I have here a microsoft bluetooth keyboard and mouse the mouse worked fine at my Diamond but the keyboard I couldn't get to work.
Willem
there is no usb host on diamond...
Brendo said:
there is no usb host on diamond...
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Some say there is...
Ouatch, sorry guys; I didn't paid attention. I connected it through bluetooth and not USB.
As far as I know HTC devices does not have USB host capability so it should be impossible to achieve this through USB.
Athena does
and of cause htc shift
I believe the diamond must have a USB host, if you look at the service manual, there is a option to flash the phone with an external SD Adapter, there is only one logical way i can see this happening,
USB Host
I think we just need to wait to a driver or something to activate the host function in diamond!
USB Host Cable
any conclusions yet? does this mean that the diamond has hardware in it, but does not have the driver? have anyone tried this cable? http://www.nazo-fjt.com/ptcep/w-zero3/es_usb.html
it's in japanese though, but in seconds through babelfish, it is readable in english.
anybody?
You may not know how useful USB host is. You can use USB stick (up to 32GB), USB keyboard, USB mouse.
If it had USB host, I'd buy it for sure (wifi only).
Sadly NO...
On German Amazon its possible to pre order the device and the datasheed isnt saying something about USB Host
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/B1gfmv71YkS.pdf
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0041RSF6Y/
This one was my favorite (because of the Phone capability) until you asked this very good question
Maybe they got it rooted in future and then its possible? (depends also on hardware...)
Greetz Tokl
I'd guess that its not going to ever have the capability without hacking. I don't think any device has that at the moment.
I guess what gets hacked depends on what the hackers think is worth doing, and I can see that USB host would be an especailly awesome thing for the Tab so hopefully it will get some interest.
If its a game breaker, you may well be disappoited for a long while tho. This kind of hacking doesn't happen over night.
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I'd guess that its not going to ever have the capability without hacking. I don't think any device has that at the moment.
If its a game breaker, you may well be disappoited for a long while tho. This kind of hacking doesn't happen over night.
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This is SO true. I remember people trying for years to hack USB host mode in to Nokia's Linux Tablets: the N770 and such. I wonder: Did they ever manage to do it?
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I'd guess that its not going to ever have the capability without hacking. I don't think any device has that at the moment.
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Please someone correct me if I'm wrong (as I don't have the device in question) but doesn't the Nokia N8/E7 support just that? I seem to remember a video demonstration of the N8 supporting an USB memory stick.
Also, the Tab will have a dock that has a keyboard, so it's not totally impossible for it to have USB host capabilities.
AnttiV said:
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong (as I don't have the device in question) but doesn't the Nokia N8/E7 support just that? I seem to remember a video demonstration of the N8 supporting an USB memory stick.
Also, the Tab will have a dock that has a keyboard, so it's not totally impossible for it to have USB host capabilities.
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I don't know about the N8, sadly I just don't have much interest in that part of the mobile space. However, some googling seems to indicate that it is possible (news articles say so) but I don't know if its naitive or needs hacking.
As for the keyboard and stuff, thats a good point. I can't see them using a non-usb standard for that, so it must just be the proprietary connector that makes the difference. In that case, all we should need is a Tab-USB connector, and a few drivers. That would really give the tab some muscle.
In general can mobile devices support the USB min-harddrives ? The ones that power from the port ? If thats possible then the tab will kick serious ass. 250 gigs in your pocket for cheaper than a microSD card.
I'm not really a fan of Nokia's products either, although they USED to make great products they haven't done so in awhile. And I *hate* Symbian. Anyways, at least the N8 DOES have some USB Host capabilities:
"Among the Nokia N8's neater tricks is its support for USB On-The-Go, which basically lets you connect USB peripherals (flash drives, for example) to the phone and have it act as a host..."
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/30/nokia-n8s-usb-on-the-go-support-demoed-lesser-phones-turned-in/
That was almost perfectly offtopic, sorry for that ^_^
Oh, or not, perhaps! Look what I JUST found:
"USB Standard port adapter
With this kit your Galaxy Tab becomes a standard USB port. With this USB port you can synchronize your digital camera or other devices."
http://www.oled-display.net/more-sa...s-bluetooth-pen-standard-usb-adapter-and-more
Well if they are going to officially make an adapter then maybe we are going to get USB Host... I can't see how you could transfer things off a digicam without the Tab hosting it as a drive.
Well... This looks pretty awesome then.
But they *CAN* cripple the functionality to just mass-storage devices or perhaps just cameras, like Apple did with their USB Camera connection kit, or whatever it was called.
Let's just hope that Samsung doesn't go that route.
Hopefully samsung aren't that stupid Although in theory we should be able to hack it back open anyway, and its a good start at least.
Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I'm also wondering about usb host (or at least OTG) on the Tab (as I'm considering buying on to port Meego to).
Could someone who has the keyboard doc post the dmesg output once it's been plugged in please?
From some dmesg output I saw elsewhere (but not with the keyboard dock), it appears that the USB chipset is an OTG version, and seeing it act in host mode with the keyboard doc plugged in would be a nice confirmation.
I Would be interested to see the anser for this one.
Yes it is launched (mainly for photographers) i have seen it's price, very cool cheap at £10000 plus something!
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It's not the Fools Day yet, so keep your jokes at bay.
OK, I just ordered a keyboard dock and I'll have a look. I'll post a dmesg output and open it to see if the PCB is marked in any way.
According to the pinout (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9925838) there seems to be no other way for data to flow apart from USB.
So one of the following must (should) be true:
1. Samsung is reusing the pins for a proprietary protocol -probably reconfiguring the device by pulling up or down other pins.
2. The device is capable of host/OTG mode but it is probably unpowered and it probably needs a pin pull-up/pull-down to enable.
3. The keyboard is using unidentified pins, and the USB pins are used simply for the PC connection and power.
Does anyone know if the keyboard acts as a proper dock? i.e. when you connect it to the pc does it work at the same time as (say) KIES or drive mount?
Just a quick update, the keyboard was just shipped, and I should have it by Tuesday.
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Hi,
Just wondering whether you got any further with this?
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There was a problem with my order (the company didn't have any in stock) and the keyboard hasn't arrived yet. Still waiting!
I'll post the moment it arrives.
EDIT: Normally I would name and shame the company, but they are sending me a couple of freebies for their mistake so I'm happy
USB host
This is a good concept. I have an Archos 70 and a Galaxy tab. Archos has a micro usb port with which I connected my USB host adapter and the key board and mouse works . Flash drive and router dongle says more power required. So I am looking for a powered USB connector for this.
Unfortunately, Galaxy tab has different cable and I dont know if I can find a host cable for this. Any suggestion?
Worth a shot?
After reading this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9925838
I checked the G-Tab pinout :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI
and tried to ground pin 13 to put the tab in host mode last night... needless to say since I'm typing this on my computer... epic fail. However, I'm curious if anyone else has had any success with this.
I'm not too much of a fan of buying something to destroy... but if I have to disassemble a dock to get the pinout for monitor mode... suck!
Anyone have any advice as to what I jacked up here?