Hi all
I am thinking of getting this phone when it is released in the uk. but i really only have one issue which i want your opinions on, and that is whats the typing like on the screen (i use a iphone at the mo and its really good) has anyone used both, if so are they the same.
any help on this would be great
Many thanks
Neel
No, they're not the same. With diamond it's quite pointless to type without stylus, because you'll make too many mistakes. I use full qwerty keyboard and stylus, works well.
I to have both an iPhone and a Diamond and I can confirm that they're definitly not the same. The iphone is a lot better when typing, part of that comes from the larger screen but also the sensitivity. If you require typing a lot, I'd stick with the iphone or get a device that has a HW keyboard. Such as the upcoming touch pro.
omegaz said:
No, they're not the same. With diamond it's quite pointless to type without stylus, because you'll make too many mistakes. I use full qwerty keyboard and stylus, works well.
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I type without the styles, using full qwerty and that works fine for me. It also helps to do some registry tweaks on pressure settings of the touch screen. The iphone's touch interface is more responsive though.
I use the compact qwerty with T9 activated and I find it quicker than using my previous phone (Nokia N73).
I have the ipod touch and I am not able to write with just one hand on it, and that bugs me... but with the diamond I can type with just one hand and the compact qwerty (2 letters per buttom). I think it's just a personal preference...
First of all the Diamond has been officially released in the UK for about a good week or so....i have one.
Secondly i use the full qwerty keyboard and have absolutely no trouble typing withmy fingers...in fact its great. I use the stylus as well and it works well too.
I have an ipod touch and i find typing on that to be a chore, i make way too many mistakes on the ipod touch compared to the Diamond.
If you buy the phone then make sure you do the tweaks listed in the tweak thread or better still flash to the TLR rom and all thos tweaks above are enabled.
Typing on the Diamond is a joy, typing on the ipod touch isnt in my opinion.
Spawn12 said:
Typing on the Diamond is a joy, typing on the ipod touch isnt in my opinion.
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I have to agree - coming from an iPhone to a Diamond, I find the Diamond much better. I NEVER use the stylus at all and type with the full QUERTY. Its much quicker as all the symbols and numbers can be typed by holding another key for a few seconds rather than entering a new menu to do it.
I haven't adjusted the sensitivity at all, but I do find the Diamond needs a slightly harder touch... however it does work with a pair of gloves on (unlike the iPhone).
The only dissapointing thing with the Diamond typing that Apple have nailed is that if you're typing a word and press the key next to the one you want by mistake it doesnt auto correct it. If you press the wrong key on the Diamond, you just get the wrong word!
p3eps said:
The only dissapointing thing with the Diamond typing that Apple have nailed is that if you're typing a word and press the key next to the one you want by mistake it doesnt auto correct it. If you press the wrong key on the Diamond, you just get the wrong word!
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I guess it will be just a metter of time until someone will figure out a software with the same capabilities as the one from iphone
HastaSSSS
s1rl4ncel0t said:
I guess it will be just a metter of time until someone will figure out a software with the same capabilities as the one from iphone
HastaSSSS
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This is not going to be fully possible. Hardware wise, the iPhone has a proximity sensor which will detect where your thumb/finger is going to hit on the onscreen keyboard and virtually enlarges the surface area of the suggested key to ensure that you are going to hit the correct key. It will also auto-correct the word based on it's huge library.
In addition to this is the obvious size of the screens, the Diamond's being smaller making it harder to type. The onscreen full QWERTY that HTC have implemented in the Diamond is quite poor and is prone to keystroke errors if you're a fast typer *like myself*.
I am currently using PCM Keyboard however and is somewhat 'closer' to that of the iPhone's keyboard capability, where the included dictionary will analyze the keystrokes of a word you type and will try match your keystrokes with the closest/most suited word in its dictionary by substituting incorrect letters with more correct letters surrounding that of the incorrectly entered key.
The iPhone keyboard, is without a doubt, the best onscreen keyboard I have used and I really do miss it. This doesn't go without saying that I do really love my Diamond too, I just wish there was a better keyboard implemented.
The iPhone/Touch is hands down better than any Windows Mobile device when it comes to the onscreen software keyboard. There is simply no comparison. I get that some people find the Diamond better but to be honest, and coming from a hardcore WiMo fan who's gone through at least ten PocketPC devices, the iPhone's keyboard blows any WiMo device away.
Part of the reason is the size of the keyboard and the sensitivity, but even on the HTC Universal with its huge screen, it wasn't as easy as typing on the iPhone. The real secret of the iPhone's ease of use is its Autocorrection feature. To date, there is only one SIP keyboard on WiMo that comes close and it is not PCM Keyboard, it's Touch Pal.
I recommend giving Touchpal a try; it does key proximity sensing the same way the iPhone does, so if you type in "hrllo" it will change it to "hello" after you press the space bar. The dictionary though is bigger and offers more word choices, and isn't as smart as the iPhone's so the iPhone keyboard is still overall better. But Touch Pal isn't half bad.
suggest you check the dates on this thread your nearly 11 months late answering!! lol
Phone keypad and T9 seems about as fast as my old Nokia
Love it.
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Interested to see what everyone is using for text input and what they believe to be the best out of:-
Block Recognizer
Keyboard
Letter Recognizer
Phone Pad
TouchPal
Transcriber
Tengo
Slide QWERTY Keyboard
Other
Where is PCMKeyboard?
Where is MessagEase?
PCMKeyboard for me too when I'm on the move.
But surely it's a no-brainer...The hardware keyboard tops the lot?
First choice = The hardware keyboard (of course!)
Second choice = PocketCM Keyboard with my own layout
I voted keyboard, because I assumed that was the hardware keyboard. Until I saw the option for the slide-out qwerty keybard. So subtract one vote from keyboard, and add one to the slide-out.
That can be subjective
Best text input? Wow, that can be very subjective to ones own personal tastes and needs. For me the slide out keyboard is what I use for any doc I'm composing with high character count. For, lets say I just want to enter a user name and password, I will use the on screen key board. And for maybe making a running list (like a grocery list) I might use Transcriber.
I have not voted, firstly because Pocket CM does not appear in the list and secondly that I am undecided between Pocket CM and TouchPal. While Touchpal allows me faster typing but covers more screen real estate making it difficult to handle spreadsheets with frozen headers of more than a few rows
pcmkeyboard really doesnt work very well with window animations :<
gogol said:
First choice = The hardware keyboard (of course!)
Second choice = PocketCM Keyboard with my own layout
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Same for me.
Resco Keyboard
I voted other because Resco does Not appear on the list. I have the TMO Wing with the Querky Keyboad but find I always use Resco. So I guess I prefer Resco with the stylus.
The slide keyboard is by far the best method in my opinion, but only after I used the AE Buttons Plus to inactivate the two small soft keys of the slide-out keyboard. Before that, I would hit the left soft key by accident when typing R or T and this would activate the Send command and make my email fly incomplete. There was a thread for that recently in this forum which I started ,and it gave me very useful guidance.
PCMKeyboard is the best on the move but at home i use the hard ware keyboard
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I voted keyboard, because I assumed that was the hardware keyboard. Until I saw the option for the slide-out qwerty keybard. So subtract one vote from keyboard, and add one to the slide-out.
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And me! Arse.
PCMKeyboard with no doubt is the best
I always liked the HTC T9 pad when i had XDAs without hardware keyboard like on the TytnII and Exec (not counting my Ameo cos I hated the keyboard on that). However, when I installed it on this phone, I found an annoying behaviour where I would select a word but it would put only the first letter of that word in the conversation or message. Very annoying indeed. I have since hard reset the device but have not tried again with any T9 based pad due to time pressures.
Did anyone else have this problem?
I use MessagEase...
...since my old good Palm T3!
the reason i bought the phone is for the slide out keyboard.. lol
I've yet to find any input method I liked as much as Fitaly. So I voted Other.
Slide-out for me, all the way . Got so used to using the MDA Pro keyboard that even though I've had my Vario 3 only a few days I got straight into my stride even with the odd few button changes.
And as has been mentioned 'tis one of the main deal breakers for me too!
I am very confused reading all the foroums, both Kaiser and Cruise.
I really dont know which one to buy.
My only concern for Kaiser is its weight and thickness. I dont mind the lack of FM radio on Kaiser. But the keyboard is it really handy.
On the other hand can you really type on cruise without the keyboard?
Is there any difference on the screen. I mean, is the Screen of the Cruise more touch sensitive? Is the Cruise more responsive to finger tapping?
Also, Is there any difference using them in direct sunlight?
Apart from the keyborad and FM radio are there any other significant differences? The Cube u can also have on Kaiser.
Please advise
Thanks
Well because of this site you can probably have teh cube on any device you want almost, so that shouldn't be a decision maker.
As for responsivness, this can be changed via software on the devices, (screen sensitivty, touchflo gesture delays, etc). Not device specific i dont believe.
Yes, the kaiser is a little thicker and heavier, but no matter what device i have, its going in the same pocket or hand, regardless of size.
My guess is that the screen material is the same for most devices, so i don't see that being a difference either.
AS for the cruise keyboard, i am assuming it will use the same keyboard the htc Touch has, the big button on screen keyboard. This you canalso get for the Kaiser, though right now it's having its problems with the xt9 functionality sometimes. I use PocketCM keyboard with an XL touch skin that makes it better for 1 thumb screen typing.
I don't think you should be worried about apps that come with either device.
As you said, the big differences are FM radio/hardware keyboard/weight. I guess it depends what you want more.
As for other hardware i don't know what the cruise has, maybe the same, but i do know the kaiser is full hardware buttons and dial for scrolling, etc. I love all the hard buttons as you have 4-5 ways of navigating your device depending on how you are holding it. on screen taping, cube navigation, left side buttons for navigation, front face plate buttons for navigating, stylus for navigating.
They hardware keyboard on tytn ii was really what sold me, and the tilting screen. i MUST have a hardware keyboard, and this one is huge.
thank you very much...was very helpful.
how can you put the Cube on Kaiser?
chris2004 said:
thank you very much...was very helpful.
how can you put the Cube on Kaiser?
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This should help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354715&highlight=htc+cube
YOu can look at the kaiser upgrading section for Kaiser, or development and hacking. Just read as much as you can you will learn a lot and it ends up being very easy if you follow instructions. Also use the search function of hte forum.
People rip the cube application from Touch and make an installation file so you can install on whatever device. They even make apps so you can configure what buttons do what, what gestures (left to right, top to bottom, etc) do what. It's really quite amazing.
Another fellow made a cube clone out of Flash which was customizable. THe same fellow is now working on a new cube clone that is ridiculously fast compared to his flash cube and the original htc cube, where you can customize also.
Developers on this site are amazing and do a great job of getting us apps that other devices come with. New people like yourself, and me awhile ago, don't realize that just because the Touch has cube navigation, doesn't mean our kaiser can't have it. THe devices may look totaly different on the outside, but on the inside they are almost the same.
Hi all,
First off, my first post here, so be gentle .
I'm looking for a keypad or keyboard to install on my Vario III so that I can type SMSes with one hand whilst on the London Underground. As good as the keyboard is, it requires two hands to be usable.
I've used the HTC Diamond keypad / keyboard pack that's on these boards, and another one after following a rabbit hole, and although they do as I want, they removed another functionality: Whilst typing on the real keyboard, I lost the word/ name suggestion box whilst typing! I find this box very useful, not least in the names section, and don't want it gone.
So, in brief, can you guys recommend a one-handed keypad for SMSing, which doesn't lose that word suggestion box functionality?
Many thanks guys!
Hi,
I tried thumbkey but it is a little buggy
Touchpal (especially the last Version, 3.0) is perfect for me...
Hi szdavid,
just had a little go on touchpal now using the trail version, and although the suggestion box was there, I'm more of an 'oldie' when it coems to texting i.e. dislike T9 or any predictive texting, and it took a couple of different areas to get one char up (choose the button, then the character).
I'll try the other one once I get up tomorrow. Thanks though, and any other suggestions out there?
If I were you, I would get the Touch Diamond Keypad.
It is just like it is on a regular phone. I will attach the CAB as well as the other Touch Diamond Keyboard.
The .CAB in this attachment is all 3 Touch Diamond Keyboards. 1 is Qwerty and 1 is the Keyboard and the other is the Keypad.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XXJ5J1OK
piepiepie77 said:
If I were you, I would get the Touch Diamond Keypad.
It is just like it is on a regular phone. I will attach the CAB as well as the other Touch Diamond Keyboard.
The .CAB in this attachment is all 3 Touch Diamond Keyboards. 1 is Qwerty and 1 is the Keyboard and the other is the Keypad.
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I've tried that one, and I loved it, except for the fact that I lost the suggestion box above the cursor, which is important to me (which is why I uninstalled it).
Is there something like that, except without the loss of that functionality, please?
samo.chan said:
I've tried that one, and I loved it, except for the fact that I lost the suggestion box above the cursor, which is important to me (which is why I uninstalled it).
Is there something like that, except without the loss of that functionality, please?
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did you hit the ABC<->T9 toggle button second in from the left on the bottom row, it seems to give me exactly what you want..
I running the qwerty keyboard for info !!!
tengo thumb gets my vote.
http://www.tengo.net/tengo_thumb.html
I might try that Tengo one, and Jerwick, I did press that button, but it still didn't give me back the suggestion box.. I'm not sure you know which one i mean...
I think it's the keypad /board's own predicter that's causing the problem and stopping the cursor suggesttion box...
any tips?
I do know what you are talking about. On some occasions, it doesn't work for me either. It has some flaws- but other than that, it's about as basic as you can get.
pie, I never got it to work unfortuneatly, and I guess I use the inline thingy mor than the one-handy thingy
guess that means that there isn't one with the same great functionality as that diamond one, then
ive actually started using the full keyboard one handed. slide it out and type with one hand, its hard to get used to.
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ive actually started using the full keyboard one handed. slide it out and type with one hand, its hard to get used to.
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You're good, I can barely type on the Tilt keyboard sitting on the table with cut fingernails. I just can't get used to the feel, travel, feedback..... something.
OH, ANd THis ANoys ME TOo if I type too fast.
Right now, I'm using the resco keyboard which has already been mentioned.
I was wondering if there was one similar to that with bigger buttons? It would make texting while doing other stuff much easier using both thumbs.
Sometimes hitting the right key with the resco board is difficult as well.
Coudl we get the Diamond keyboard .CAB on another server? Please, we cant access megaupload in this country.
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Coudl we get the Diamond keyboard .CAB on another server? Please, we cant access megaupload in this country.
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its in my signature under Cabs, Keyboards
There is nothing better than the Touchpal once you learn to use it period.
-McMex
Touchpal is the best for me hands down...
It offers several input methods ranging from QWERTY to T9...
And you can skin it very easily.
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Coudl we get the Diamond keyboard .CAB on another server? Please, we cant access megaupload in this country.
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It's been on my 4shared the entire time.
it seems like there are a lot of avodcates for the touchpal one, which I did like, but wasn't entirely happy with...
I might end up with it because it's the nest of the lot that I've been recommended, that and maybe the resco one
+1 TouchPal for me
Seeing as quite a few people here have a Diamond, i just wanted to ask how easy is it to text using the on screen keyboard. I usually text with 2 hands, find it easier and much faster but after looking at various videos i still cant seem to figure out that 2 handed texting is not a problem for this unit. I have an ipod touch which is like the iphone but texting on that is a pain as i keep pressing the wrong button...so when replying to emails on the ipod...its quite a struggle to fire off a quick email etc.
So can anyone tell me if 2 handed texting is easy on this device??
Thanks.
2hand sms'ing is easy enough on all touchscreen devices using input types such a phonepad
Have a look on this article http://mobilitytoday.com/news/008586/htc_diamond_texting
i personally think 2 hand typing on the diamond is too hard, the device is too small for this, it works ok on internet browsing having the device in landscape as the onscreen keyboard is bigger. i use the default keyboard (2 letters per key) with my thumb, im suprised at how quick im getting with it! If its essential to you id wait for the HTC with the thumb board or the X1
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i personally think 2 hand typing on the diamond is too hard, the device is too small for this, it works ok on internet browsing having the device in landscape as the onscreen keyboard is bigger. i use the default keyboard (2 letters per key) with my thumb, im suprised at how quick im getting with it! If its essential to you id wait for the HTC with the thumb board or the X1
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Hmmm thats what i was thinking...im more and more leaning towards the X1 now...i like the Diamond but i dont think im going to get on with it to be honest. Although im waiting for the official uk stock to come in, so i might pick one up to play with and see how i get on with it in a real life scenario.
Hey,
I hope that someone can help me out.
Since the screen is "quite" small... the keyboard in windows mobile is definetly too small, and even fingerkeyb requires some concentration.
Are there any good looking, perfectly working, dialer looking input SIPs?
12 button input with 1 - abc, 2-def, 3-ghi etc. Like on oldschool cellphones (and samsung touch versions)... with T9 textbook.
I guess there are a couple out there, which one is THE best?
saw this thread, with no answer...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=501024
Search for the OEM XT9 keyboard. There's a phone keypad mode.
Thanks!
I tried it and it works ok! I like it, think I'm gonna use it instead of fingerkeyb, at least for sms-writing with one hand. There are some issues though, it's not perfect.
Wonder why no-one focuses on creating a better soft keyboard (eg sony ericsson!!!)
EDIT:
used this link!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=494026