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Got HSUPA?

Does anyone know if this thing actually supports HSUPA or not? I recall that being one of the new features mentioned when I first heard about the Kaiser, however I haven't come across any official word on it.
I wonder if it's been hidden away like the GPS feature was on the Trinity.

I dunno, but if it does, I hope it's Category 6

When I was in NYC I had an "H" show up on my Kaiser ... also, I have the HSUPA enabled in the device settings ... so I would say that HSUPA is supported though I have no idea what category

indeed it was tried in Dallas ( the only place with UPA ) however in few weeks all the markets in the west will be able to handle UPA ( up to 1mb on he UL)

so the network is hsupa enabled or the kaiser is?
eric b

According to the data sheet the chipset is providing
- High-Speed Uplink Packet Access
(HSUPA), up to 5.76 Mbps (Category 6)
- High-Speed Downlink Packet Access
(HSDPA), up to 7.2 Mbps (Category 8)
http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7200_chipset.pdf
So it is a question of the Software an the Network/Provider.

According to manual:
"Functionality
HSDPA/UMTS: Tri-band (850, 1900, and 2100 Mhz).
HSDPA: Up to 384kbps for upload and 3.6Mbps for download;
UMTS: Up to 384kbps for upload and download
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, and
1900 Mhz)"
Hope class 8 HSDPA and (any class) HSUPA can be later enabled through ROM updates.

3G vs HSDPA signal strength?

I've just got a diamond on orange. In my local town Orange have 3g coverage using 3 masts. Signal strength isn't very good usually 2 bars or less unless your line of sigh with the mast.
After ordering one of those little unlocking chips that you sit your simcard on in the phone I put a payg vodafone sim in and almost everywhere in town the signal strength is better, often to the point of getting 2 bars with orange and 4 with voda.
This doesn't make sense as vodafone only have 2 masts here, both are further away and emit a slightly less powerful signal than orange 28dbw vs 30
I have tested this in several parts of the town and 7/10 times voda has better signal.
Can anyone suggest why this is? The only difference I can see if voda is hsdpa and orange is just plain 3g.
Thanks
Huw

huwwatkins said:
I've just got a diamond on orange. In my local town Orange have 3g coverage using 3 masts. Signal strength isn't very good usually 2 bars or less unless your line of sigh with the mast.
After ordering one of those little unlocking chips that you sit your simcard on in the phone I put a payg vodafone sim in and almost everywhere in town the signal strength is better, often to the point of getting 2 bars with orange and 4 with voda.
This doesn't make sense as vodafone only have 2 masts here, both are further away and emit a slightly less powerful signal than orange 28dbw vs 30
I have tested this in several parts of the town and 7/10 times voda has better signal.
Can anyone suggest why this is? The only difference I can see if voda is hsdpa and orange is just plain 3g.
Thanks
Huw
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It's all to do with the frequencies the UK operators use Vod and O2 use the 850MHz spectrum and T-Mo and Orange the 1800/1900, while 3G starts at 2100, which is why the signal is even less persistent through walls/buildings etc.
That's why we have dual/triple/quad band phones- technically in UK we only need dual +3G
Mobile phone transmit Base station transmit
Vodafone GSM 900: 890 - 894.6 MHz 935 - 939.6 MHz
BT Cellnet GSM 900: 894.8 - 902 MHz 939.8 - 947 MHz
Vodafone GSM 900: 902 - 910 MHz 947 - 955 MHz
BT Cellnet GSM 900: 910 - 915 MHz 955 - 960 MHz
Vodafone GSM 1800 &
BT Cellnet GSM 1800: 1710 - 1721.5 MHz 1805 - 1816.5 MHz
T Mobile GSM 1800: 1721.5 - 1751.5 MHz 1816.5 - 1846.5 MHz
Orange GSM 1800: 1751.5 - 1781.5 MHz 1846.5 - 1876.5 MHz
The UMTS/3G frequency allocations are as follows (to be confirmed):
1900 - 1900.3 MHz - Guard band
1900.3 - 1905.2 MHz (4.9 MHz bandwidth) - Unmatched spectrum - licence D - T-Mobile
1905.2 - 1910.1 MHz (4.9 MHz bandwidth) - Unmatched spectrum - licence E - Orange
1910.1 - 1915.0 MHz (4.9 MHz bandwidth) - Unmatched spectrum - licence C - O2
1915.0 - 1919.9 MHz (4.9 MHz bandwidth) - Unmatched spectrum - licence A - '3'
1919.9 - 1920.3 MHz - Guard band
1920.3 - 1934.9 MHz (14.6 MHz bandwidth) - Matched spectrum (mobile transmit) - licence A - '3'
1934.9 - 1944.9 MHz (10 MHz bandwidth) - Matched spectrum (mobile transmit) - licence C - O2
1944.9 - 1959.7 MHz (14.8 MHz bandwidth) - Matched spectrum (mobile transmit) - licence B - Vodafone
1959.7 - 1969.7 MHz (10 MHz bandwidth) - Matched spectrum (mobile transmit) - licence D - T-Mobile
1969.7 - 1979.7 MHz (10 MHz bandwidth) - Matched spectrum (mobile transmit) - licence E - Orange
2110 - 2110.3 MHz - Guard band
2110.3 - 2124.9 MHz (14.6 MHz bandwidth) - Matched spectrum (base station transmit) - licence A - '3'
2124.9 - 2134.9 MHz (10 MHz bandwidth) - Matched spectrum (base station transmit) - licence C - O2
2134.9 - 2149.7 MHz (14.8 MHz bandwidth) - Matched spectrum (base station transmit) - licence B - Vodafone
2149.7 - 2159.7 MHz ( 10 MHz bandwidth) - Matched spectrum (base station transmit) - licence D - T-Mobile
2159.7 - 2169.7 MHz (10 MHz bandwidth) - Matched spectrum (base station transmit) - licence E - Orange
2169.7 - 2160 MHz - Guard band

Hi
I was referring to 3g/hsdpa signal strength only, not 2g. So in theory orange should have the better signal, but it doesnt.

huwwatkins said:
Hi
I was referring to 3g/hsdpa signal strength only, not 2g. So in theory orange should have the better signal, but it doesnt.
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Voda use a lower frequency which persists better in normal conditions but may be more subject to geographical interference.

Windoze9t8 said:
Voda use a lower frequency which persists better in normal conditions but may be more subject to geographical interference.
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Hi
But we're only talking 10-20mhz difference between the 3g signals they both use?

Any got any ideas? Same thing happened with my mate yesterday. He's on three and he got much better signal than me even though three's coverage is by far the worst here. Only difference, three broadcast Hsdpa.
Maybe I should try o2 here as they dont broadcast hsdpa and see what happenens.

900 Mhz HSDPA-UMTS which radio or ROM version support this ?

In my phone interface selecting:
phone/menu/options/network(band) - telefono/menu/opzioni/banda
I can see:
1. UMTS (2100) + GSM (900+1800)
2. UMTS (850+1900) + GSM (850+1900)
3. UMTS (800+2100)
4. UMTS (850+2100) + GSM(900+1800)
5. UMTS (850) + GSM(900+1800)
I can't see WCDMA (UMTS) 900 Mhz
and so I'd like to know in which ROM or Radio Version 900 Mhz appears
thank you in advance for your collaboration guys.
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HTC HD
ROM 1.13.401.0 (20428) ITA date 10/25/08
radio version 1.09.25.14
protocol 52.49a.25.26U

in radio
1.09.25.35
i have only
UMTS (900+2100) + GSM (900+1800)
... so here it's not... mabe other user will publish their content on different radios... and you will try the rest

any answer?

Which version do you have?
European/Asian versions don't have HW support for other than UMTS 900 and 2100, I don't know about the American version.
If European/Asian version then you can change it in the registry which band to scan, so if you go to
HKLM\Software\OEM\PhoneSetting\BandType
Then you can change the UMTS bands to 900 and 2100

first of all thank you Garcia for your kind answer.
as I have already written I have:
HTC HD
ROM 1.13.401.0 (20428) ITA date 10/25/08
radio version 1.09.25.14
protocol 52.49a.25.26U
I have bought it in Italy, language italian, TIM branded.
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Following your suggestion, using PHM Registry Editor, I have seen the registry:
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obviously I see only the options already mentioned:
1. UMTS (2100) + GSM (900+1800)
2. UMTS (850+1900) + GSM (850+1900)
3. UMTS (800+2100)
4. UMTS (850+2100) + GSM(900+1800)
5. UMTS (850) + GSM(900+1800)
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in details:
ItemCount 7 (0x00007)
ItemName1 Auto
ItemName2 UMTS(2100)+GSM(900+1800)
..
...(and so on)
..
ItemValue1 0 (0x000000)
ItemValue2 1 (0x000001)
....
....(and so on)
which values can I try to change or add, and in which manner, in order to scan 900 Mhz band?
provided that my Blackstone hardware support it !!!
besides, if I force in this manner the device to scan an eventually unsupported frequency, do you think that I can damage it?
Thank you in advance for your kind collaboration

When you open ItemName2 you have:
UMTS(2100)+GSM(900+1800)
Change that to:
UMTS(900+2100)+GSM(900+1800)
and no you cannot damage it if it scans unsupported frequencies, it just takes a little extra time and you will most likely not notice

Thank you Garcia,
I've followed your advice and I've modified the value...... and the 3G network icon was there with a good signal...OK
But in order to test the effectiveness, then, I have modified the line again with UMTS(300) which is obviously not present: the value displayed in the phone menù changed again displaying UMTS(300) but the 3G network icon was there too with a good signal....IMPOSSIBLE
The I've made a lot of other tests, soft resets, I've modified and added lines, etc... but without success: in this manner only the menù changes in my phone.
thank you again in any case for your kind answer

HTC Kaiser. It is possible to work in HSUPA mode?

Hi All
Ukrainian operator U'tel upgrade his equipment. Now i can and possible to use HSUPA internet.
I know that in the chipset MSM HTC Kaiser's is present a possibility work in HSUPA. But, it is possible to work my HTC KAiser in HSUPA mode (up to 7.2 Mbit sec)?
Maybe need to change some values in the registry, or do something else??

ParaFoil said:
Hi All
Ukrainian operator U'tel upgrade his equipment. Now i can and possible to use HSUPA internet.
I know that in the chipset MSM HTC Kaiser's is present a possibility work in HSUPA. But, it is possible to work my HTC KAiser in HSUPA mode (up to 7.2 Mbit sec)?
Maybe need to change some values in the registry, or do something else??
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I think tytn ii support this (not really sure), but thinking since it support HSDPA (HSUPA for up, HSDPA for down).

My take on the speed question
ParaFoil said:
But, it is possible to work my HTC KAiser in HSUPA mode (up to 7.2 Mbit sec)?
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An interesting question and the answer, not beyond 3.6 Mbps. From the side of the box, the device specs specifically list:
HSDPA/UMTS: Tri-band 850, 1900, 2100 MHz
HSDPA: Up to 384kbps for upload and 3.6 Mbps for download.
As both HSDPA and HSUPA come in different speeds (even going beyond 7.2 Mbps with the latest and greatest revisions), it looks like 3.6 Mbps is a set limitation of the max upload speed imposed by HTC. Whether that limitation is set in physical hardware eg silicon, or firmware such as ROM or Radio code, I don't know but I suspect (just as with 'analog' modem chips) it's the former (forced obsolecence has got to be a good way of selling more chips down the line afterall ).
The relevant part of the Qualcomm Datasheet for the MSM 7200 chip reads:
Air interfaces supported:
- WCDMA (UMTS) R6
- High-Speed Downlink Packet Access
(HSDPA), up to 7.2 Mbps (Category 8)
- High-Speed Uplink Packet Access
(HSUPA), up to 5.76 Mbps (Category 6)
I'd imagine at least one of HTC or Qualcomm would have capitalised on any future upgradeability of the speed by mentioning it on advertising, spec sheets or packaging but nothing I've found (including in the xda-wiki) mentions anything about it being able to go any faster - just as well for me because my current network provider says their HSDPA network top speed limit is currently 3.6 Mbps.
Maybe someone with a deeper understanding of how these things actually work, can provide a more authoritive answer.

LTE in the UK

Hi everyone,
Does anyone have any information from an official (or very reliable/convincing) source as to which LTE bands the 10 Lite supports? I would need Band 20 at the very least. If I want to use it in the UK in English, should I wait for a "Global" version to be released?

Frequency band: 4G LTE FDD: B1/B3/B5/B7/B8/B20 3G UMTS: B1/2/5/8 2G GSM: B2/3/5/8; Network rate: 4G LTE FDD: 150 Mbit/s(DL), 50 Mbit/s(UL) 3G WCDMA (HSDPA/ HSUPA): 42 Mbit/s(DL), 5.76Mbit/s(UL) 2G GPRS/EDGE: 296Kbit/s(DL), 236.8Kbit/s(UL); Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, 2.4GHz; Support Wi-Fi Hotspot; USB 2.0; Bluetooth 4.2+BLE
https://www.hihonor.com/uk/product/10044347606445.html#10044315762089