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WM 7 or Android on Diamond?

Have I understod correctly that if I buy a Diamond now (or rather Pro when available), I can possibly instal either WM 7 or Android on it? I understand that we do not know what the HW requirements for either are, and that it might prevent this. If this is possible, then where could I get the ROM's? I mean, does HTC or MS provide WM 7 updates? Or are they hacked? Android, being open, is probably available (same HW requirements) at some point, right?

Nobody can tell you if WM7 or Android will work fine on the Touch Diamond.
It is not unlikely that WM7 will work fine. Regarding Android, wait and see... since it is some sort of semi-open project, you might find a very well adapted version of it at some point if some people take care of it. You will definitely not see Android from HTC for the Diamond.
Regarding the WM7 update availability:
WM7 will not be released before next year. It is not unlikely that by this time HTC will have released or announced another PPC (with WM7 running). This makes it less likely that HTC will provide a WM7 update for the Touch Diamond or Pro.
However, developers here might put a WM7 rom together once they get hold of it. Another scenario might be that the Touch Diamond / Touch Pro are so extraordinarily successful that HTC might provide an official upgrade (but charging for the new OS).

Not a lot of the evidence doesn't seem dissonant to negating the lie that it is not not unlikely.

99% chance that WM7 will work on diamond.
It works on lower specs, a Touch dual, 400MHz with 128MB Ram, while the diamond has 528MHz with 192 Ram.
view @ 33sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RY-q8k2RRI
http://www.wmexperts.com/articleimages/2008/04/Picture 3-14.jpg

There's a 99% chance that video is complete a fabrication too: ad systems are rarely the "real" system... For all I can tell that can just be a full screen jpg.

Yes HTCDiamond22, but it's still gotta have support for the hardware :}
Hopefully Android will work, we'll just have to wait and see

well in the vid it seems to be working fully, not just a picture. i think that ms also said somewhere that although the requirements will be higher, it will work on some older hardware

waiting on Android-news... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002

Windows Mobile 7

Hello!
I would like to buy a Raphael, but some people sayed me that soon there will be WM 7, thats very diferent from 6.1, and it won't be possible to upgrade the ROM from 6.1 to 7.
Should I buy Raphael 6.1, or wait for WM 7?! On January(2009)?!?!?!?!
thanks

if you always wait for the next thing oull wait forever
get an x1
hehe

wm7 will not be released in jan 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile#Windows_Mobile_7

Falso, been delayed to late 2009 (that's the rumor, at least).
The Touch Pro will most likely be upgradeable to WM7, but it won't be able to support the multi-touch interface that is available with WM7 because it doesn't have a capacitive screen.

I really cannot wait for the release of WM7... From the little rumours I've heard it will be awesome.

hugo81 said:
Hello!
I would like to buy a Raphael, but some people sayed me that soon there will be WM 7, thats very diferent from 6.1, and it won't be possible to upgrade the ROM from 6.1 to 7.
Should I buy Raphael 6.1, or wait for WM 7?! On January(2009)?!?!?!?!
thanks
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get the darn raphael man its like why would you wait that long???... its like saying i want an i phone but i want the next one that comes out ??? winmo 7 wont be out for a while man sorry to burst ur bubble that raphael is friggin sweet...

WM7 on Touch HD regarding to leaked WM7 requirements?

ok. on this site http://www.intomobile.com/2009/05/12/microsoft-pink-specs-windows-mobile-7-requirements-leak.html I found leaked WM7 requirements.
My question is, what is your opinion, it will be possible to get to work WM7 on HD? I read someware on net that it is theoretically possible to run multituch on resistance screens. I don't know what about accelerated graphic, but rest requirements HD fulfill.

i have faith that the comunity here will be able to do it!

Well I don't believe that someone will be able to do it I can hope for it but the reality is that it will be too difficult it's something like the Android where we still don't have a proper version.Yes I know it's a totaly different platform but multi-touch is going to be a big problem....We will get a lot of themes though SPB,WAD and etc. but I don't think it's going to be on our devices HTC is making it that way so their new devices will be bought and not for everyone to have ultra-enabled Blackstones that can run anything (man that sounds good just saying it ).It's gonna be a great deal of time until it comes out we only can wait and see.

in which quarter of 2010 Microsoft plan give us WM7? anyone knows?

I'm sure this won't run on our HD's. WinMo 7 requires OpenGL ES 2.0, which isn't available in our current MSM720* chipsets.
I guess in 2010 we're all going to need to buy a new device...

NeoS2007 said:
I'm sure this won't run on our HD's. WinMo 7 requires OpenGL ES 2.0, which isn't available in our current MSM720* chipsets.
I guess in 2010 we're all going to need to buy a new device...
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Yes, we all are... and it will probably run Android.

brumbrum said:
Yes, we all are... and it will probably run Android.
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Yes, may very well be..
I mean the Android part, cause the fact that I'll get a new mobile in 2010 is beyond doubt!
The rumoured Sony Ericsson Rachael looks very interesting indeed!

ok, no need for a discussion on new phones
Safely say that WM7 won't ruin on our HD's

Windows Mobile 7

Does anyone know when will MS launch this version of OS ? Really would like to test on it or see how does it looks like..

If I understood it right, is the OS still under development. So you will probably not see much from it untill next year.. I guess

jea in half 2010 is release... win7 mobile vs iphone
it will be f**king good

Microsoft will start sending builds to OEMs to begin testing in Q1 2010. WM7 will be released in Q3 2010. I expect to see builds out sometime in Q1....however, I'm not too sure these builds will run on anything presently out besides the HTC HD2 because the CE kernel would have been recompiled for ARMv7 cores.

and that will be great. what is coming out from iphone next year to fightfwith android 2.0 and winmo7 ... and ppl will start porting their hd2 to android 2.0 and then to winmo7... lol

In the first place X1 probably can't support WM7

doesnt the 6.5.1 need to be released first?

prodigiez said:
and that will be great. what is coming out from iphone next year to fightfwith android 2.0 and winmo7 ... and ppl will start porting their hd2 to android 2.0 and then to winmo7... lol
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Don't forget a few years ago when Ballmer laughed at the iPhone...
I'm not buying one but I would never underestimate the competition whether I was MS, Apple or whoever.

Latests news of wm7 I read is q3 2010 too bad really

ipporek said:
In the first place X1 probably can't support WM7
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why ? where did u get this info ?

Thought I read somewhere b4 that WM7 would require a motion sensor, which X1 doesn't have. But well, I could be wrong.

I think it will be available for xperia, saw a advertisment of the wm 7 on youtube lol guess which phone popped up? x1

prodigiez said:
why ? where did u get this info ?
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It's a very technical requirement.
The Windows CE kernel, very integral part of Windows Mobile, is being compiled for ARMv7 for Windows Mobile 7 (thought to be based on CE6.0 or CE7.0). Currently Windows Mobile 6/6.1/6.5, the CE (CE 5.X) kernel is compiled for ARMv6 which runs on many chipsets today (Qualcomm 720X for example).
ARMv7 architectures (ie. Snapdragon, Cortex A8, NVIDIA Tegra) are backwards compatible with ARMv6 which is why the HTC Touch HD2 (Snapdragon) can run Windows Mobile 6.5. However, ARMv6 architectures (X1, TP1/2, Touch HD, etc) are not compatible with ARMv7 code (missing/different instructions).
So unless a very smart cook can somehow recompile code (need the source code) or combine different parts, there will be no WM7 for any current windows mobile device besides the HTC HD2.

x1 didn't get wm6.5 officially if it will get wm7 which will prob not be out until a year from now don't expect it to come from official sources.....

Min requirements for WM7 is 1Ghz CPU (actually because of the instruction set), but also G-sensor and compass. HD2 maybe. Xperia no way.

Well you say processors like Tegre will be able to run WM 7, but i checken and Tegra is still ARM v6...
Anybody has any real source saying Wm 7 will be only for ARMv7?
As for G-semsor multitouch and sucks, that is all softwere, you can turn this things off, so apat from procesor, nothing else matters for WM7 to run X1, onl ARM v6 code is needed, all else can be done by cooking.

brisschris said:
Hello,
I am brisschris.I am new to this site,but I’ve enjoyed posting in your forums.Microsoft confirmed that it is planning for Windows 7 to hit retail shelves and start showing up on new PCs on October 22.To reach that milestone, Microsoft plans to wrap up development of the operating system by the middle or end of next month.The tech guarantee program is not beginning immediately, but Microsoft did raise the possibility it will offer some sort of lower-cost upgrade to those who are already using Windows Vista.it is "Depending on when we do it there will be the associated accounting for it".
Thank you very much and Stay connected with me.
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Uh.... we're talking about Windows Mobile 7, not Windows 7.

Come on Guys!
Please dont speculate about things there was lightyears ahead. Wait untill the time will come. We dont have seen WinMo 6.5 official on X1 yet, therefore we think about other things, which atm is morge important.
with best reguards.
sorry for my poor english

Well lightyears ahead you say, but i am certain i will have WM 7 on Xperia in abaut 3 months XDA does miracles

Certainly the most x1 user will it and im sure that the devs find a way to port it on x1. But except a few screenshots no specification of WinMo 7 was published. Therefore hope that the x1 get an official 6.5 Update. I think, this will reveal the way to WM7.

HD2 and WinMo 7

I am new to this XDA and am awaiting my time for renewel to get the HD2 - this will be in January which means I will be about 2 or 3 months away from the release of WinMo 7. My question is about the HD2 and the possibility of it being able to upgrade to the new OS out next year.
Also when MS releases minor updates to the WinMo OS how do you get them to your phone.
I am probably asking simple questions but this seems a great place to ask and get a straight answer.
Thansk
Scott

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582123
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575940

UberScooter said:
I am new to this XDA and am awaiting my time for renewel to get the HD2 - this will be in January which means I will be about 2 or 3 months away from the release of WinMo 7. My question is about the HD2 and the possibility of it being able to upgrade to the new OS out next year.
Also when MS releases minor updates to the WinMo OS how do you get them to your phone.
I am probably asking simple questions but this seems a great place to ask and get a straight answer.
Thansk
Scott
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Hi Scott
Minor updates through windows update on the phone;
Re. Windows 7 nobody really knows if they will be able to upgrade to the official version. The hardware seems to be there so it depends on if HTC will release an updated Rom for it (assuming your provider has not put their own customised one on the phone in which case in which case you are reliant on them as the HTC Roms won't work.
On the other hand I am sure that after a little while you will be able to find a rom here that you can flash to if you want to and are brave enough to.

A rule of thumb I have for myself to evaluate the probability of an official ROM upgrade from HTC is this:
If a new OS version comes out within 6 months of a device release then you have a good chance to get an upgrade. So if WM7 is released in Q1 2010 then we may get it.
HTC got the habit of releasing their flagship devices right before the Christmas shopping season. This means that by this time in 2010 we're very likely to get an HD3, and HTC won't spoil the show by giving a second life to their by that time outdated cash cow. So WM7 in Q4 2010 equals no upgrade for sure.
Q3 2010 = not likely at all, but not impossible
Q2 2010 = not likely, but possible.
Something like that. Now if somebody can pick their HD2 and give a call to Steve Ballmer and ask when WM7 is going to be out we can continue the guessing game with more data than we have now.

vangrieg said:
A rule of thumb I have for myself to evaluate the probability of an official ROM upgrade from HTC is this:
If a new OS version comes out within 6 months of a device release then you have a good chance to get an upgrade. So if WM7 is released in Q1 2010 then we may get it.
HTC got the habit of releasing their flagship devices right before the Christmas shopping season. This means that by this time in 2010 we're very likely to get an HD3, and HTC won't spoil the show by giving a second life to their by that time outdated cash cow. So WM7 in Q4 2010 equals no upgrade for sure.
Q3 2010 = not likely at all, but not impossible
Q2 2010 = not likely, but possible.
Something like that. Now if somebody can pick their HD2 and give a call to Steve Ballmer and ask when WM7 is going to be out we can continue the guessing game with more data than we have now.
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I suspect the only reason the Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 got 6.5 was that by the time it came for a US release, 6.5 was about to hit and they'd looking stupid with a "premier" device with 6.1 being outdaded in weeks. Of course then they had to give it to the rest of the world...
I put the chance of an official WM7 upgrade at about 1%.. and that's including a 1% chance of Microsoft forcing their hand. WM7 and the HD3 (or otherwisenamed spiritual successor) will both hit in about 12 months.

mr_Ray said:
I suspect the only reason the Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 got 6.5 was that by the time it came for a US release, 6.5 was about to hit and they'd looking stupid with a "premier" device with 6.1 being outdaded in weeks. Of course then they had to give it to the rest of the world...
I put the chance of an official WM7 upgrade at about 1%.. and that's including a 1% chance of Microsoft forcing their hand. WM7 and the HD3 (or otherwisenamed spiritual successor) will both hit in about 12 months.
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Actually that is one of the things the iphone has going for it - It has changed so little from when it was originally released that other than the size of the drive they are really very similar (most of the changes being available to existing phones through os updates).
Actually - come to think of it I don't know if that is really an advantage or just boring!

wildgoose1uk said:
Actually that is one of the things the iphone has going for it - It has changed so little from when it was originally released that other than the size of the drive they are really very similar (most of the changes being available to existing phones through os updates).
Actually - come to think of it I don't know if that is really an advantage or just boring!
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Yup it's the other side of the coin. They have the stability of platform implementation that WinMo lacks, but that stability leads to stagnation. Developers know 100% what the target platform will be (well maybe a little faster, an added feature here and there, but essentially a keyboardless portrait HVGA device) but it also means that the consumer will never have the option of one of the countless form factor options available on WinMo.
Stability vs. flexibility. Both have their pros and cons and you only get to pick one. Microsoft & Google have gone one way, Apple the other. It's good that we have the choice.

Indeed it is