Hi, is it normal that srooling in programs is slower against other devices? For example my brothers Asus P535 has perfect speed, if he moves slider quickly, no problem, no lag, absolutely smooth, bud diamond isnt. Why?
Try doing the tweaks in the tweak thread for a start or if you want flash to another rom ie the TLR rom is pretty fast and tf3d is quite smooth and fast on that rom.
Have a look in the rom section of the forum and see which one sounds good to you.
Yes scrolling in "Programs menu" is reaaally slow ... compared to my previous 200 mhz original Touch it's ten times slower and almost impossible to control it with thumb because it takes a lot of time 'till it scrolls down...
I solved this by creating sub folders in programs menu so I don't need to scroll...
Maybe this is because of VGA display and slow GDI support, but I think this really needs some improvements or tweaks.
Any of existing tweaks I tried don't help - Glyph cache does nothing and Fatfs/Filters cache broke my system so I needed to hard reset... And as I can see this filesystem improvements have no influence on graphics performance...
ROM 1.37.401.3 speeds thinks up little bit, but I think windows GDI performance is still very bad on Diamond...
Is GDI accelerated in other ROM? Or can it be solved with some tweak to original 1.37.401.3 ROM?
Yes the scrolling speed is a real issue, it's laggy and sometimes not responsive.. This is a real pain in my ass because I'm coming from a 1st gen iPhone which had extremely smooth scrolling.
i must be lucky...my scrolling is so fast i wish sometimes to know how to make it slower because i can hardly have time to read the name of the programs before i stop...i usually have to scroll back..
no tweaks applied only bepe's last ROM....the biggest tweak of all
Any chance that HTC can solve this problem? I mean - can´t hardware handle it or just bad software?
Well the newer roms have the newest version of TF3d so maybe you want to try and flash to one of them...im running TLR rom version 2 and its fast and tf3d is smooth as silk although it will still lag but not as much as the stock rom does.
I just hope that HTC will make some ROM with major performance incerase, becou HW is not bad. Like my A701 mio. First uséable ROM came out after a year.
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Well the newer roms have the newest version of TF3d so maybe you want to try and flash to one of them...im running TLR rom version 2 and its fast and tf3d is smooth as silk although it will still lag but not as much as the stock rom does.
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I think we are not talking about TF3D but about basic scrolling in WM - see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiVRouS6HwE and on this video it is not so bad - the more programs you have the slower it is...
When I flash the Bepe's ROM can I then flash back to 1.37.401.3 without losing warranty? Do I need to flash back original SPL before and if so - is it available?
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I just hope that HTC will make some ROM with major performance incerase, becou HW is not bad. Like my A701 mio. First uséable ROM came out after a year.
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You might want to check out someone1234 post in the tweak thread above...hes figured out a way to shorten the lag between scrolling screens...give it a try and see if it helps.
Yes I was refering to basic scrolling in WM, not TF3D.. My TF3D is running very smooth with no noticeable lag.
We must hope that some new ROM will solve this. Anyway, same thing the HTC logo after start or power off. Why it is thare if it is not played smoothly? I know this is becou os phone quick start, but anyway, the should gave a picture there.
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Yes I was refering to basic scrolling in WM, not TF3D.. My TF3D is running very smooth with no noticeable lag.
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i dont tink its a issue htc can resolve -> its a os problem -> so its a ms problem.
Do you? I dont know how WM6.1, but my last device WM 5 had 5 times faster scrooling. Is diamond scrooling speed on other devices from other brands? Some E-ten? Mio? etc? I think this is exactly kind of issu HTC can solve very easily, if they would want.
Can someone with other than official-production ROM tell us, if scrolling and GDI performance is better?
Thanks
Yes I tried TLR ROM and it is not. But some good news, I found articles about same slow speed in other devices after upgrade on WM 6. I found some tweak too, but it helped only bit. I wil continue, if I sort out this problem, i will tell you how.
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Is it possible ? I really want to speed this baby up to decent speeds. Ive used the kaiser tweak and i still find it slow.
Worst of all my friends make fun of it for being so slow ;_;
please search before making another thread which has been asked before
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328543&highlight=overclock
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363889&highlight=overclock
Hi,
Have you tried a custom ROM? i use dutty's lite 6.1 rom, and it flyus, 10 times faster than the HTC Rom's, even switching from landscape to portrait etc, takes less than a second. (with HTC roms, it usually takes 3ish)
Scrolling through the windows directory, and opening programs is alot faster too.
Worth a bit of testing before you cook your CPU.
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Is it possible ? I really want to speed this baby up to decent speeds. Ive used the kaiser tweak and i still find it slow.
Worst of all my friends make fun of it for being so slow ;_;
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jockyw is right now working to see if this can be done, search kaiser rom dev for this
flashy said:
Hi,
Have you tried a custom ROM? i use dutty's lite 6.1 rom, and it flyus, 10 times faster than the HTC Rom's, even switching from landscape to portrait etc, takes less than a second. (with HTC roms, it usually takes 3ish)
Scrolling through the windows directory, and opening programs is alot faster too.
Worth a bit of testing before you cook your CPU.
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Will i need windows 6.1 for it ...?
Can you also please link me to the tweak , and also to WM6.1 if needed?
I currently have 6.0 , Thanks
Doesn't exist yet. Read the sticky in ROM development for more information. This thread is closed, very redundant.
HELLO, every kind souls out there
I looking into changing my HTC Touch Enhanced to a Diamond.
I would like to get some infor regards to the performance of Diamond.
Anyone can give some feedback on this Diamond???
I had heard tat the 3D Flo interface is kind of lagging, the touch interface is lagging as well.....
Is these true?
No.
Especial with the enormous speed of new ROMS available, those little bugs from the beginning are less and less.
Thanks Riel,
I understand that the lagging problem can be reduce by change newer ROM.
but is there offical ROM from HTC??
I dun wan to void the warrenty from HTC, so i'm looking at offical ROM from HTC....
I am using the latest official ROM from HTC for my region (1.37.401.3 WWE) - seems pretty quick to me
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I am using the latest official ROM from HTC for my region (1.37.401.3 WWE) - seems pretty quick to me
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I have the same version but swedish... it infact IS lagging and bugs out alot, atleast for me and two of my friends, that is for 3 persons. For instance going to sms/email "tabs" takes ages and the animations arent really so smooth for anything. But i do agree that this is probably something thats going to be fixed very soon even officially from HTC roms and even with these problems it is still a great phone that i love to use.
I get no lag at all on SMS/ Messaging tabs on this ROM, animations are smooth.
The only time I experience lag is just after closing Opera - seems to take the device a couple of seconds to settle down after using that prog.
So is 1.37.401.3 WWE the latest version of ROM around for diamond?
I jus saw the diamond at the shop....
I"M GOING CRAZY....
i love the diamond phone...
I worry the software will be slow ... cos i'm using Touch Enhanced now... i feel the software is slow....
Especially when i urgently need to open my contact list to find phone number....
there are times when i feel like throw my Enhance on the floor while waiting for the contact list to appear....
Could anyone compare the speed between Touch Enhanced and Touch Diamond?
so many threads about this, so many...too many. over and over again....nobody bother to search, first post-first thread...damn!
now, i am calm, i am cool and nothing can make me use the politically incorrect words like noob and other not so flattering adjectives...
lagging is relative. depends what you expect. go and read reactions at the new ROMs (6-7 threads maybe), you'll see the improvements, stop believing what you "had heard"
and if you are so worried about loosing the warranty don't buy the diamond. personally i don't get it...what the rush when making a call, why use the contacts list when you have:
-smart dialing.
-favorite contacts (with pics) for the most used contacts.
btw, i bet you have over 1-200 contacts. i have 600 and over 1200 numbers i don't see any lag.
now, is that enough? can we stop this thread?
I've been looking for the answer for about an hour. Is there any xperia user out there who managed somehow to find and enable hardware acceleration option in spb mobile shell 3? As we all know this device IS 3D accelerated, but this option is not visible on mine. Any additional drivers required??
shameless bump. <bump> nobody?? I guess I'll have to wait for an update from spb. oh well...
As fas as I know, if 3D acceleration is available in SPB Mobile Shell 3, there will be an option for it in the settings, otherwise the option won't be visible. If that's true, which I doubt, SPB MS3 is not using 3D acceleration on X1.
But it is a fact that this is maybe the fastest shell for X1 of all. Much faster than TF3D and uses much less memory. It is faster than PointUI Home 2 too, but just a little (not as much as compared to TF3D).
In the end I can't tell for sure if 3D acceleration is used in SPB MS3 on X1, but it works extremely fast and smooth. Actually I reverted from itje's Touch-IT 10.4 to R3A stock + MS3.01 for that reason only, it is way faster.
I read in the xda forum that Enable 3D acceleration should be removed in the final version and was present in the leaked one. Many people complain about it, when it's turned on.
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As fas as I know, if 3D acceleration is available in SPB Mobile Shell 3, there will be an option for it in the settings, otherwise the option won't be visible. If that's true, which I doubt, SPB MS3 is not using 3D acceleration on X1.
But it is a fact that this is maybe the fastest shell for X1 of all. Much faster than TF3D and uses much less memory. It is faster than PointUI Home 2 too, but just a little (not as much as compared to TF3D).
In the end I can't tell for sure if 3D acceleration is used in SPB MS3 on X1, but it works extremely fast and smooth. Actually I reverted from itje's Touch-IT 10.4 to R3A stock + MS3.01 for that reason only, it is way faster.
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Thelucius:
Interesting to hear about your comparison between Touch-IT and R3A +MS3.01. I am on R2A + MS3.01 and all I care about is speed and finger friendliness. Would you say that your current setup is the fastest for the phone *as a whole* (for example, opening OPera, starting up the dialer) or just for the shell features? I am quite happy with how fast MS3.01 is for the shell part, but those other things remain quite laggy, and I'm wondering if the chef's optimizations increase the speed of the phone as a whole. I'd really appreciate your thoughts.
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Thelucius:
Interesting to hear about your comparison between Touch-IT and R3A +MS3.01. I am on R2A + MS3.01 and all I care about is speed and finger friendliness. Would you say that your current setup is the fastest for the phone *as a whole* (for example, opening OPera, starting up the dialer) or just for the shell features? I am quite happy with how fast MS3.01 is for the shell part, but those other things remain quite laggy, and I'm wondering if the chef's optimizations increase the speed of the phone as a whole. I'd really appreciate your thoughts.
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I've being using R2A + MS3.01 and R3A+MS3.01 and Itje's Touch-IT 10.31 and 10.4. 10.31 is slow, so I won't talk about it. 10.4 is faster. The problem is with TF3D, not with Itje's rom, which I thing is a good custom ROM. TF3D sometimes lags, which is annoying, and the new menu too, just some times it needs like 2-3 seconds to show up, but usually it's quite fast.
The problem is in the dialer. The TF3D's dialer was very slow in many occasions. That's what made me go back to stock rom. And also the ram usage of TF3D is very big. Like with panel and spb wireless monitor in the startup it gets like 100MB of ram. Ok Xperia has ram, so that is not a problem, but the dialer is. I see the phone wakes up (for there is someone calling me) and in like 4-5 seconds the dialer shows the incoming call. The whole dialer is slow, when it shows up, when it hides after call etc. As a whole, TF3D is considerably slower than MS3, sometimes annoying, but not that bad. It's the dialer that made me switch back to R3A stock.
Finger friendliness: I love the huge menus of TF3D (the menus in all apps are changed with much bigger ones, finger friendly menus), but the lag in TF3D sometimes kill the finger friendliness.
As a shell speed: MS3 is much faster, uses less than half of the memory TF3D uses and it is smoother. And the most important, the stock dialer is way faster and more responsive than TF3D's dialer.
Opening Opera: it's almost the same with r3a and itje's 10.4, maybe itje's roms is a little bit faster in opera load time, but just a little.
R2A - R3A: the only speed gain I saw is the boot time of the device. Anything else looks the same, or the difference is very small to note it.
One thing more: video playback speed - it's all the same: r2a stock, r3a stock, itje's 10.31, 10.4, stock with new ati drivers. The biggest difference I saw is less than 5% increase, if that's a difference at all (talking about coreplayer with qtv + tytnII mode).
One very good thing is that itje's custom roms have lots if internal free memory (due to removed panels and unneeded software I suppose). It's like 250MB free, compared to 140MB with stock rom after flash.
I hope this was helpful for you to decide which shell do you want most.
Super helpful, thanks VERY much.
So it sounds like the chef's mostly modify to speed up TF3d, but not the overall system. If so, I'll stick with MS3.01. I'm also wondering about gtrab's barebones ROM + MS3.01. I might try that in a month when I get my X1 back from repair.
I also went back to SE dialer after using Yota. I had the same lag problems.
Otherwise, sorry for the thread highjack I don't know if MS3.01 uses 3D acceleration. My guess is yes. The graphics are super smooth.
unfortunately Your guess is wrong, unless You have a background picture under carousel menu instead of just plain black. it is kind of a weird thing, as I can run xtract, nfs undercover, some test opengl apps. I think I'll have to register myself on spb forums to ask devs about it. oh well...
Hi everybody, I recently got a Diamond2 and found that the enormous amount of expertise and help available at xda-developers have really helped me enjoy this phone. The phone is not locally supported by any carriers or retailers in Canada so the availability of these forums have been a real help. I've run through most of the issues I've had with the phone (really like the Pro2 Interface better but was way to bulky) but have a few remaining that I haven't been able to find satisfactory answers for, hope you guys will be able to help.
I've downloaded and played around with what seem to be most of the prerequisite softwares: Advanced Config Tool, Klaxon, Changescreen etc. and have also made a couple of registry modifications to enable TF3D rotation and things like that. Here is where I'm getting into a bit of trouble. Although changescreen is a great app I just don't like to install a lot of things on my device and decided to try the regedit. After a soft reset it seemed to work great but was quite slow in switching over to landscape and back. At first I though this was a problem with the g-sensor so I opened up Opera to try it out and found that it was much faster. Obviously it's a lot less graphically intense but I was playing around with a Touch Pro2 before I bought the Diamond2 and it is also significantly faster, with the same processor and everything. I've tried to reduce the sampling time for the g-sensor down from 200ms to 100ms in ACT but that didn't really seem to help. Also I get some really weird lines across the tops of TF3D pages in landscape; in the All Contacts page for example the bar that contains "Search Contacts" will have at least three sets of distorted lines across it at regular intervals across the page. The wallpaper also seems to malfunction as instead of staying as it was, it will stretch across the width of the screen and as a result become extremely distorted. The dialer doesn't go into landscape but that seems to be a common issue. I've downloaded the Rhodium Phone Dialer although I haven't had a chance to install it yet, maybe that will fix the dialer issue.
I do have some app installed that changes the background of all tabs to be the same and this seems to have messed with the transparency of the tab bar and, occasionally the phone will fail to respond to screen swipes that would usually cycle through the tabs without using the tab bar. Maybe this app is also causing the other problems.
The help on these forums has already been a great asset and I was just hoping that I would be able to get some simple fixes for the issues with the landscape thing without having to install more software. Thanks in advance for any help, its all appreciated. Cheers.
PS, rom is 1.39.421.0 (47382) WWE
what you can do to improve things:
1. ditch stock rom and use tess rom
2. install flipit for rotation software - its better than the rest IMO
Thanks for the quick reply
Thanks for the quick reply, sorry I wasn't able to reply right away, got a bit busy at uni.
I was a bit apprehensive about installing a new rom but the one you recommended is amazing. The speed increase alone is unbelievable, doesn't even feel like the same device.
Everything is working great and the rotation is really fast now on everything except TF3D. It almost looks like it attempts to rotate and then fails. The title bars rotate around and then rotate back. I've added the regedit, manually removed and added it back into flip_it, but nothing seems to be working. Aside from that everything else seems perfect. Hope you'll be able to help, and once again, thanks.
oh yeah.. forgot to mention about manila in landscape
go to search and look for At0mAng & Danny_and_2 TF3D2 Tweak cab for topaz
install, and in the list of programs, there is option called Manila Rotate ON.
and thats it, you are all set...
hope this helps
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1. ditch stock rom and use tess rom
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Can I ask where to read and get this rom?
I am also new to Topaz.
Running on stock ROM
been reading around. reading on the various rom threads to decide which to use.
I am looking for something stable, fast (aren't we all?) and 6.1. Still got Manila and hopefully with Titanium built in. Also if possible with ringtones removed.
What would you recommend?
Thanks
Goondu said:
Can I ask where to read and get this rom?
I am also new to Topaz.
Running on stock ROM
been reading around. reading on the various rom threads to decide which to use.
I am looking for something stable, fast (aren't we all?) and 6.1. Still got Manila and hopefully with Titanium built in. Also if possible with ringtones removed.
What would you recommend?
Thanks
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tess = topaz essential
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529260
Almost there
Thanks for the tip about the tweak program, installed it and followed your directions, manila is now rotating. However, its still incredibly slow; in the range of 3-5 seconds for transition to landscape and then around 1-2 seconds back to portrait. Also, those distortive lines I described earlier are back.
I was hoping for the kind of speed seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPVgN5QuzO4 but I do realize that its a different rom. I've disabled and enabled TF3D and also done a soft reset, but no speed increase. I was thinking it may be a hardware issue but everything else works fine. One thing I have noticed though is that since installing this rom some programs get stuck half rotated and the other half of the screen will display the TF3D home page. Once again, thanks for all the help so far.
P.S. If I disable TF3D the blank today screen will rotate at the same speed as in that video if not faster. Also before when the menus rotated but not TF3D they were rotating at the same fast speed.
yes, I know what you mean.. at this stage, manila rotates pretty slow for me too...
I guess at the moment, we have to live with it... the slow rotation only happens on tf3d2 rite? the rest is ok...
as with hardware issue, I am sure it is not, cause topaz is still relatively new...
btw, Manila 2.1 is around, and manila 2.5 is coming too... so, maybe they would give better performance .
btw, the youtube link is a rom made by Tom Condon, and as you probably know, he is very active in building rom for topaz too... why dont you give him a message, or try his rom...
Tha
sorry double post again..
Sounds good
Glad to know that it wasn't just a one off issue. I'll give his rom a shot, was kind of wary b/c of the comments that said WM 6.5 was slow. Would you be able to direct me to somewhere that I'd be able to download TF3D 2.1 alone without a rom upgrade or anything or maybe even cooked into the TESS rom. Thanks for the incredible quick reply and for all the help so far.
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Glad to know that it wasn't just a one off issue. I'll give his rom a shot, was kind of wary b/c of the comments that said WM 6.5 was slow. Would you be able to direct me to somewhere that I'd be able to download TF3D 2.1 alone without a rom upgrade or anything or maybe even cooked into the TESS rom. Thanks for the incredible quick reply and for all the help so far.
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if you follow tess forum, then the next release would have manila 2.1
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Ye, sorry about that didn't quite follow the forum all the way, I guess I'll be waiting. Thanks man.
Well I want one of the faster roms, I installed an Energy rom and my phone is so slow it's unbearable. Any suggestions?
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Well I want one of the faster roms, I installed an Energy rom and my phone is so slow it's unbearable. Any suggestions?
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NRG needs to be customized to work faster. I find it very fast. But I don't use all of the tabs, and I overclock my CPU to 710.
Did you install the newest version, listed in my signature?
Also if You interest on trying stock like and self customizable ROM, try kwbr ROM : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=811121
fast, stable and good battery life..
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NRG needs to be customized to work faster. I find it very fast. But I don't use all of the tabs, and I overclock my CPU to 710.
Did you install the newest version, listed in my signature?
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How do I customize it to make it faster? Where is this overclocking app at, and how do I remove some of the tabs?
About tabs, you can disable some, just swipe to settings tab on HTC Sense, choose "personalize" then "Home screen tabs", uncheck tabs you want to remove.
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Well I want one of the faster roms, I installed an Energy rom and my phone is so slow it's unbearable. Any suggestions?
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I just flashed my custom ROM to the NRG ROM of 14th October and I don't have any issues with slowness...
My phone is faster than every before.
Did you flashed the latest version of NRG rom?
I'm suprised you're having issues with NRG's ROM, I find it very fast.
If you want to try overclocking, check out the utilities in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698374
If you want a fast rom, use a valkyre or jackoss
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How do I customize it to make it faster? Where is this overclocking app at, and how do I remove some of the tabs?
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Where to start? The following is a subset of my phone settings. I've been tweaking them for months, and I would be hard pressed to provide a full list.
The OC app is at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698374
As to customizing, the setting tab will allow you to remove the tabs you don't use. I found that I actually only use 4 of them. The rest just take up memory.
I also use BsB Tweaks (in the Tools folder) to set a high glyph and IP cache.
The other thing to do is to go into the Settings and change the start menu to be the Sense version. This will give you and extra 30 Mb or so of memory, and this will make the device faster. Do this step last, because it will be difficult to get to the NRG Tools menu unless you revert back to the default WM start menus.
EDIT: But you should be aware that NRG is not customized for speed. There are faster ROMs available. But NRG has lots of nice stuff, and the latest operating systems and programs.
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Well I want one of the faster roms, I installed an Energy rom and my phone is so slow it's unbearable. Any suggestions?
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jackos rom without a doubt. --->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=632617
Keep in mind that it usually takes some time for a newly flashed ROM to "settle in". The performance you see right away is not indicitive of how the ROM will perform long term. Maybe files are still being setup? Not really sure why this is so. But don't freak out until you've used the ROM for a couple hours. Plus the battery meter will not be accurate. It needs to be calibrated by charging the phone to 100%, then down to 30%, and repeat a couple times.
If you've been using the ROM for a while, and done a few of the tweaks to streamline performance as other have suggested, its possible it was a bad flash. Task29 and start over.
But its also possible that a more lightweight ROM is for you. Energy is a nice balance of performance, aesthetics, and features. But some like to sacrifice some eye candy for a more lightweight ROM, like Jackos that someone else suggested.
I've used the EnergyROMs on my TP2, as well as Simplicity and Jackos, all are great roms. EnergyROMs have many cooked in useful apps and awesome features, Simplicity is lighter and well.. simpler than Energy and Jackos has amazing memory management and the best ROM if you're going for WM6.5.0.
I am a sucker for speed, and the fastest you can go is stock WM6.5 with no HTC Sense. I'm currently using Jackos SleekBasic with TouchFlo3D, just flashed yesterday, IMO its faster than all ROMs I tried except stock WM, its not really pretty and not many features, but I can live with it. Good batt life too...
OndraSter's WM 6.5 TF3D ROM is the fastest ROM I have ever used. Check it out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642956&highlight=OndraSter
Jacko's is by far the cleanist Ive seen its actually functional and has 110mb free after 2nd reboot... Great rom's.. Not a nrg fan anymore either.. especially cause he doesnt bother to actually test them on the devices he makes them for.
I used a lot of ROMs from this forum, and I can confirm that the Jackos is the fastest and stablest that I tried (I'm actually using the smartmove flavour).
Ondraster's also is quite fast and stable, but I find that jackos looks better