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THIS IS NOT A FIX, JUST A WORKAROUND FOR PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT TO WATCH GOOD QUALITY MOVIES ON THEIR KAISER
SOME CONVERTING MAY BE REQUIRED
Hi All,
I'm posting this to try and help people who are in this large boat of people claiming their TyTN II plays movies terribly.
I know it's all over the forum at the minute, the fact that people can't seem to play movies on their TyTN II, however I experience more than acceptable movie performance, and this is what I do:
I ensure my movies are .avi (if not, I use Kingdia Video Converter which works wonders)
I then Shrink the videos down to QVGA size (using Ashampoo Movie Shrink & Burn). This ensures that the file size is small, and quality is adjusted for that "just right" viewing size on the phone screen.
And to play them I use TCPMP with the FLV 0.4.2 plugin. Using the settings below:
in "Select Page" > "Buffering" configure it to match the following:
Normal buffer size: 1148KB
Preload at underrun: 5%
Preload for audio: 64KB
Also, if you are experiencing any "out-of-sync" audio, to remove any Lag, navigate to 'Select Page -> Advanced' and set 'Manual A/V offset +/-' to anywhere between'-100 to -300' (fiddle with it untill it's how you want it).
Now i could be getting this all wrong, and my idea of "Good quality Movie Playback" is not actually good quality. However, can I please suggest someone tries my methods above and post's their thoughts? And if you already use the setup above, what do you think?
My personal complaints on the Kaiser's movie playback are to do with the playing of the ripped DVDs over wi-fi from my desktop. It's annoying that my less powerful iPaq plays these files flawlessly, yet the supposedly more powerful Kaiser makes it unwatchably jumpy.
I'm not too sure about other people but I assumed it was the same? I've not actually tried encoding anything directly for the Kaiser to check performance. I've just accepted that for now unless the drivers are released it's just not a device to be used for playing back high quality video .
Audio said:
Hi All,
I'm posting this to try and help people who are in this large boat of people claiming their TyTN II plys movies terribly.
I know it's all over the forum at the minute, the fact that people can't seem to play movies on their TyTN II, however I experience more than acceptable movie performance, and this is what I do:
I ensure my movies are .avi (if not, I use Kingdia Video Converter which works wonders)
I then Shrink the videos down to QVGA size (using Ashampoo Movie Shrink & Burn). This ensures that the file size is small, and quality is adjusted for that "just right" viewing size on the phone screen.
And to play them I use TCPMP with the FLV 0.4.2 plugin.
Now i could be getting this all wrong, and my idea of "Good quality Movie Playback" is not actually good quality. However, can I please suggest someone tries my methods above and post's their thoughts? And if you already use the setup above, what do you think?
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My two cents is that none of us want to convert movies and waste tons of time. if a movie X in format Y played well on the Tytn I, why can it not play at least as good on a Tytn II? Thanks for the advice, though this is not the solution most of users are looking for
ceevee369 said:
My two cents is that none of us want to convert movies and waste tons of time. if a movie X in format Y played well on the Tytn I, why can it not play at least as good on a Tytn II? Thanks for the advice, though this is not the solution most of users are looking for
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I completely understand, if I could make a solution for everybody, i would
I suppose my suggestion is for people who perhaps want to watch movies while away on holiday, or on a long business trip, etc.
I just want to make people aware that you can watch high quality movies on the TyTN II, even if you do have to mess abit.
As for the time it takes to convert, it's surprisingly quick. We're not talking hours, but minutes.
Anyhow, let's keep our fingers crossed for the guys trying to create new drivers, they will be our true saviour!
ceevee369 said:
My two cents is that none of us want to convert movies and waste tons of time. if a movie X in format Y played well on the Tytn I, why can it not play at least as good on a Tytn II? Thanks for the advice, though this is not the solution most of users are looking for
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Amen to that.
I don't have a huge collection to convert, but enough that it would be a major hassle to have a second encoding of everything. And the reason I like to encode to a higher quality is so that I can play the same vid on any machine I won and get passable quality. If I encode to 320x240 and play it even 1/2 screen on my 12" tablet, it looks horrible. 620 x 480 looks way better and evn look OK at full screen.
Plus, I'd like to just be able to play the little snippits I record on my camera. They are avi from a cheapo Cannon point and shoot which costs less than $200.
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OK then, put it this way:
I couldn't care less if you wanted a file of 640 x 480, or if you find that my suggestion would be a hassle, in fact, I couldn't care less what you do in any aspect of your life, personally I'd rather read a book or watch tv...
The fact is, there is a way to play back movies with Excellent quality, and I have showed you that way. Take the suggestion, do with it what you will, but don't reply complaining that I haven't changed your life forever, i've simply offered a suggestion... that's it.
Audio said:
Hi All,
I'm posting this to try and help people who are in this large boat of people claiming their TyTN II plys movies terribly.
I know it's all over the forum at the minute, the fact that people can't seem to play movies on their TyTN II, however I experience more than acceptable movie performance, and this is what I do:
I ensure my movies are .avi (if not, I use Kingdia Video Converter which works wonders)
I then Shrink the videos down to QVGA size (using Ashampoo Movie Shrink & Burn). This ensures that the file size is small, and quality is adjusted for that "just right" viewing size on the phone screen.
And to play them I use TCPMP with the FLV 0.4.2 plugin.
Now i could be getting this all wrong, and my idea of "Good quality Movie Playback" is not actually good quality. However, can I please suggest someone tries my methods above and post's their thoughts? And if you already use the setup above, what do you think?
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Once I get a memory card tonight, I would like to try your method. Additionally, I wonder if we could just convert the movie into 320x240 format directly. Sorry I am so new to TyTn II / Tilt as I just bought the ATT Tilt as my first PDA phone. However, I want to convert some DVD movies into memory cards so I can watch it on the road / travel.
Thanks for the suggestions / ideas.
plchan said:
Once I get a memory card tonight, I would like to try your method. Additionally, I wonder if we could just convert the movie into 320x240 format directly. Sorry I am so new to TyTn II / Tilt as I just bought the ATT Tilt as my first PDA phone. However, I want to convert some DVD movies into memory cards so I can watch it on the road / travel.
Thanks for the suggestions / ideas.
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Hi plchan,
to be perfectly honest, I've no idea how other file types play, as all the films I "Source" are mostly .avi's anyway. However TCPMP has codec for loads of different file types, so I don't see a problem with Shrinking different file types straight to 320 x 240.
You shouldn't have to convert the movies. That's the whole problem.
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You shouldn't have to convert the movies. That's the whole problem.
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YES I KNOW... I'm not stupid and certainly am not a miracle worker... did you even bother to read ANY of the threads in here apart from the first one? Don't add comments if you don't read the thread first.
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OK then, put it this way:
I couldn't care less if you wanted a file of 640 x 480, or if you find that my suggestion would be a hassle, in fact, I couldn't care less what you do in any aspect of your life, personally I'd rather read a book or watch tv...
The fact is, there is a way to play back movies with Excellent quality, and I have showed you that way. Take the suggestion, do with it what you will, but don't reply complaining that I haven't changed your life forever, i've simply offered a suggestion... that's it.
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It's not you that people are angry with, it's HTC .
I think you may have put a few people, myself included, into defensive mode with your first post. It sounded to me like you were saying that the video playback problems on the Kaiser were a myth and so you had a few people explaining how it wasn't.
No-one's complaining to you, they're just giving their opinion on how the Kaiser has a video playback problem because from you first post you seemed to not see it.
Yeah your right se0siris, it didn't seem so at the time, but reading back my thread title does give off the wrong impression. I'll get something sorted out...
I know people aren't angry with me (or at least I hope not), and I, too, am angry at HTC for this issue, but watching movies is something I like doing, and am sure other people like doing too, so I just wanted to make people aware that it can be done (even if you have to do it a specific way, using a specific thing, whilst saying a specific magic word, and jumping up and down in a specific way, in a specific location )
And at least I've provided help to one person, which, at the end of the day, makes it all worth while
EDIT: I've added a BIG BOLD Subtitle to stop people getting the wrong impression.
All my movies are resized to 320*240.
It's indeed a bit of a workaround, but then again, smaller movies = less space = more movies
I tried it, and yes it is a nice workaround!
Stay0Puft said:
All my movies are resized to 320*240.
It's indeed a bit of a workaround, but then again, smaller movies = less space = more movies
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Brilliant way of putting it!
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Brilliant way of putting it!
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Re-encoding always seemed to me to be a pretty obvious workaround for the problem. Certainly, I've never bothered to drop a 750mb movie on my SD card... Not when I can drop 2 or 3 in that space after a couple of hours!
Mind you, some movies still have problems... Especially if there's a lot of screen action going on.
FloatingFatMan said:
Re-encoding always seemed to me to be a pretty obvious workaround for the problem. Certainly, I've never bothered to drop a 750mb movie on my SD card... Not when I can drop 2 or 3 in that space after a couple of hours!
Mind you, some movies still have problems... Especially if there's a lot of screen action going on.
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I agree, However simple things are often missed.
Regarding some movies still having problems... I've never had an issue.. But saying that, I do ensure all my movies are .avi (which I do anyway, regardless of whether its for the Kaiser, cos i can fit 4 or 5 .avi's on to a DVD and watch them on the TV if need be), and all are shrinked using Ashampoo.
I am very against re-encoding. i had a zune and I HATED how you had to rencode all my stuff just to watch it on the device.
That was partially the reason I sold it and bought this device, now I'm just hoping for a fix on the driver issue so that it will be justified.
Now how much faster is encoding a movie so it's big enough to fit on the main memory compare to placing a movie on the SD? Don't have the time to test, but if someone knows...please share your experience. If I was to watch movies on my tilt, I prefer to be smooth quality.
Yea, I am in the process of converting some of my DVDs also. I'm going to try the programs you mentioned because I'm currently using Aimersoft DVD Ripper and even at 320X240, I'm getting 900 MB files
One related question:
What do I change the buffer settings to on the Core Media Player? It's telling me I need to change them but I don't know what values to put in.
Thanks in advance,
-HAZE-
Hi Guys,
CoreCodec has released a pre-update of CorePlayer that should fix most of the video playback issues on our devices ...
Can someone who is authorized to download the update confirm that it works smooothly with htc Kaiser ?
All owners of CorePlayer 1.x should be able to update for free ...
The Link to the thread in CoreCodec board is here :
http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=669.0
Thomas
I just downloaded it on my Touch. So far with the one file i actually had on my Touch the QTV driver shows the video with a black screen. The file plays when I have GDI. I was assuming the Touch may use the same QTV driver. But I think I remember somewhere that BetaBoy wrote that this was for Mpeg4 files only. So i'll look. I was able to run a bench mark using the GDI and QTV settings though. QTV did about 10% higher on this small file.
Hum... I'm currently testing it with a 640x340 xvid file and it seems pretty fluid. Don't really know if I'd say the playback is flawless.
Hi,
Thanks for sharing this news.
I downloaded and installed on my Kaiser.
It feels like my device is much more responsive now!
Also the Touchscreen feels more responsive!
THIS FEELS GOOD
Am I grazy and the only one or what?
Regards,
Leo
Uhm, why would this make the touchscreen more responsive?
You tell me...
It does!
Blowfish64 said:
Uhm, why would this make the touchscreen more responsive?
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I went to the link but I didnt see where to buy it. Is it just the current one for sale?
You can buy Kaiser edition here:
http://www.mobihand.com/product.asp?id=8905
kevinniven said:
I went to the link but I didnt see where to buy it. Is it just the current one for sale?
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Upgrade core player
Does anyone know if I can upgrade my core player for free?
I cant seem to find the info on there web site.
Thanks for the help!!
donatom3 said:
I just downloaded it on my Touch. So far with the one file i actually had on my Touch the QTV driver shows the video with a black screen. The file plays when I have GDI. I was assuming the Touch may use the same QTV driver. But I think I remember somewhere that BetaBoy wrote that this was for Mpeg4 files only. So i'll look. I was able to run a bench mark using the GDI and QTV settings though. QTV did about 10% higher on this small file.
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Please send a sample of the video via www.yousendit.com to [email protected] so we can take a look at it... thx!!
FYI.... also the speed difference will ONLY be available within CorePlayer itelf when playing back ANY video (not just ASP). Although ASP plays pretty damn flawless based on the early feedback.
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Please send a sample of the video via www.yousendit.com to [email protected] so we can take a look at it... thx!!
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Beta Boy it turns out it isn't the file. I even tried a couple of different mpeg 4 files encoded at 640x480. They play fine if I have it set to GDI but the second I put QTV on it plays black and the player becomes unresponsive. Now I do have the Vogue Touch which uses the CDMA verison of the Kaiser chipset. The case might be that the changes that were made to core media work on the kaiser only so far.
So theoretically, this proggy should play the videos fine, and utilize the unused hardware?
Is there a demo of this bychance, that we can test on our devices. I would gladly get the software if I could see that it works on my phone.
Imsaffor said:
So theoretically, this proggy should play the videos fine, and utilize the unused hardware?
Is there a demo of this bychance, that we can test on our devices. I would gladly get the software if I could see that it works on my phone.
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Even though my touch can't take advantage of the QTV driver. I do have to admit. This is a real clean player. I've only used the beta's before for youtube, but really like this version leaps and bounds beyond even windows media player. Looks like I gotta relink all my sprint links to go to this player instead of Windows Media. I have to admit this version plays videos better than the others did even in GDI mode.
It's a great program. Hopefully there is something small missing for the Vogue to work with the QTV video mode, but for now in GDI mode it's still leaps and bounds above what I had before. Now gotta figure out how to get youtube to work with this.
you know, both you guys at XDA-Dev as well as the CoreCodec people seem to be trustworthy enough. I'm currently RMAing my cracked phone. So I'll lurk this topic to see if its worked on other peoples phones. If the results seem positive. Then It'll be the first bit of software i install on the new Tilt that'll come in.
beta_boy--Thanks
Hi beta_boy,
Because of your support for our issues, I purchased CorePlayer for our device , but am a vid newb, so having issues, I'll check out the forums on your site.
Alemaker
Coreplayer
Got it. Seems to be better
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Got it. Seems to be better
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Post a bit more info please.
Compare different video files in format/bitrate you have already tried without changing anything else on your device. Subjective will do for the moment as most on here will only be happy with a 'visual' improvement as benchmark figures are no substitute for 'bloody great improvement' !!
Need to know this info (drooling at the mouth at the moment!!)
Many thanks.
Just downloaded it. Looked at two different movies, one in MP4 and one in M4V format. Subjectively they look better, playback was smooth as was motion. Hard to quantify of course (and there is likely a placebo effect)e but overall I'd say it's an improvement.
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So... we all know the Diamond has a powerful 528MHz processor - and supposedly a pretty decent video chipset.
Now, the screen may be a bit small, but we should still be able to play content at pretty decent resolution at 25/30fps.
What settings/drivers/tweaks/registry entries have people used to get the best, smoothest video playback from their Diamond?
Any chance we'll be able to get scene-quality XviD, PSP (h264) or iPOD quality encoded videos to play smoothly on the device without re-encoding all the time? Let's just assume that a typical 175, 350 or 700MB Xvid is used - or whatever the usual iPOD/PSP sizes are for TV shows/movies.
I'm all ears on suggestions
Have to wait for the next Coreplayer release, which will be fully compatible with Diamond.
The actual one still does the job tho.
Our entire Milestone of CorePlayer 1.3 is simply gonna freak ppl out with the amount of new features that will be in it. UPNP, FTP Server/Client, BonJour Support, Channels, v2 UI, etc.
beta_boy said:
Our entire Milestone of CorePlayer 1.3 is simply gonna freak ppl out with the amount of new features that will be in it.
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Can't wait
Hoping it will be a lot faster for the Diamond than the current one, large videos like ones at 640x480 seem to struggle a little with the current CorePlayer no matter what setting I try
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Our entire Milestone of CorePlayer 1.3 is simply gonna freak ppl out with the amount of new features that will be in it.
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Will it give me a back rub after an exhausting day?
Can you please tell me a software program that has subtitle support? thanks.
beta_boy said:
Our entire Milestone of CorePlayer 1.3 is simply gonna freak ppl out with the amount of new features that will be in it. UPNP, FTP Server/Client, BonJour Support, Channels, v2 UI, etc.
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Do you need someone to properly translate the Spanish language file? Because the current localization is... well... let's say "a bit out of context"
Has anyone figured out the best settings for Coreplayer, I am have a lot of problems with it and can't seem to get video to run smoothly, there are alot of different setting.
Cheers
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Can you please tell me a software program that has subtitle support? thanks.
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Or be able to display lyrics for mp3 or wma songs. I don't really care about the Album art. Display lyrics is more useful than just staring at the album art pic.
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Our entire Milestone of CorePlayer 1.3 is simply gonna freak ppl out with the amount of new features that will be in it. UPNP, FTP Server/Client, BonJour Support, Channels, v2 UI, etc.
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Any approximate date of release?
beta_boy said:
Our entire Milestone of CorePlayer 1.3 is simply gonna freak ppl out with the amount of new features that will be in it. UPNP, FTP Server/Client, BonJour Support, Channels, v2 UI, etc.
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I appreciate that, and I know you make a great program, but are there going to be any optimisations speed wise for certain chipset features?
Converting my videos to MP4 (512x384, 700kbps) seems to work rather well without the need for any additional software. I'm using the current O² ROM 1.93.207.2-GER.
I'll just compare it with HTC's 1.93 ROM just to be sure because O² seem to use a different ddi.dll.
I uploaded it for the curious souls.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NJW0QL9A
asticinzano said:
Converting my videos to MP4 (512x384, 700kbps) seems to work rather well without the need for any additional software. I'm using the current O² ROM 1.93.207.2-GER.
I'll just compare it with HTC's 1.93 ROM just to be sure because O² seem to use a different ddi.dll.
I uploaded it for the curious souls.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NJW0QL9A
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is that a rom file u just uploaded, coz i installed it n nothing seem to happens
No. It's just a replacement for ddi.dll which seems to control graphics acceleration.
Hello coreplayer users, do any of you knows why my back ground light only dims, it doesnt go off ? is always on when streaming music ? any way to fix this ? or any program capable of streaming while light is off ?
Thank you all in advanced.
Im talking about watching movies, playing games - i dont know what the reason its so slow but it is painfully slow. its bothering me a lot. it seems like older much cheaper phones can play video much better than our phones.
is it a hardware fault (no hope) or a software fault ?
its a software fault
if you update your phone to some custom roms the phone runs LOTS faster
anyways, my videos and some 3d games run pretty fast on my phone.
not java games cause those arent hardware supported
I have to say that I am pretty darn happy with video playback on this phone... its fast and doesnt lag... the sound is even in sync with the picture unlike some devices I have tried before... I have not played any graphics intensive games on this phone so far though...
a game like archibalds adventure cant even scroll properly. i mean it looks like it was taken out of the 80s.
Maybe it is because this phone has up to 5 times more pixels then previous phones you have owned?
whats the point in it having 5 times the pixels if it cant cope with them
tehnoobzorz said:
its a software fault
if you update your phone to some custom roms the phone runs LOTS faster
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Care to recommend a ROM?
orangedavie said:
whats the point in it having 5 times the pixels if it cant cope with them
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It copes with them just fine. it just wasn't made with gaming in mind.
Shadowdh said:
I have to say that I am pretty darn happy with video playback on this phone... its fast and doesnt lag... the sound is even in sync with the picture unlike some devices I have tried before... I have not played any graphics intensive games on this phone so far though...
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What videos? Are these videos, by chance a chintzy 320x240? I've tried avi videos in standard DVD resolution, 720x480 and 640x480 and they are both choppy as hell. There are far too many apologists for the really lackluster video playback on this device. I realize it's a driver issue, but when rich multimedia playback is one of the selling points, I think it verges on false advertising when it can't play accepted video standards. Have HTC pony up the money to Qualcomm for the right drivers and I think the X1 and a number of other devices in their stable can really start to live up to their claims.
Yeah, I have to agree. 5X the pixels means nothing if the phone can't handle them
No problem for me with video...
-I recode vidéo in 800*480 with HTC Touch HD Video Converter
-I use Windows Media Player to watch video
rom im using
im using touch it xperience 3.5 but i've heard touch it 2.2 was faster
from now on if it has qualcom in the hardware spec im gonna avoid it like the plague!
I gotta admit, just when I start being happy with the Xperia video.....
I'll look over at some movie my wife is watching on the iphone and just shake my head. The Xperia is NOT impressive in the video dept. I can get video to play to ALMOST lag free and it looks pretty dang good. But c'mon already! With the hardware capabilities of this phone, video should look all around amazing.
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What videos? Are these videos, by chance a chintzy 320x240? I've tried avi videos in standard DVD resolution, 720x480 and 640x480 and they are both choppy as hell. There are far too many apologists for the really lackluster video playback on this device. I realize it's a driver issue, but when rich multimedia playback is one of the selling points, I think it verges on false advertising when it can't play accepted video standards. Have HTC pony up the money to Qualcomm for the right drivers and I think the X1 and a number of other devices in their stable can really start to live up to their claims.
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I have converted some Chinese tv serial episodes using magic video converter and they came out great, not too sure of the res but by memory its around 640x480 to 720x480 as you comment... no lag and sound is better than I expected... I also have a movie or two that works just as well, again Chinese stuff (as I am learning Chinese I find this is an interesting way to help out with both reading (subtitles) and listening)... I am using coreplayer and have it in full screen mode when watching...
Oh and I am by no means an apologist... if it was crap I would say so, but its not... but then I dont expect my phone to act or have the same capacity as my laptop/pc.... its a phone and does what it says on the tin...
I dont get it. I have a stock ROM and my video is perfect. I downloaded an Ipod converted (m4v) version of Superbad and it looks and sounds amazing FULL screen btw). All i had to do was rename the file to mp4 and it works perfectly! Maybe there is something else going on with you guys phones. I also have Anchorman, SemiPro, and several others running perfectly. Besides TF3D, i dont have any other plug ins installed.
I also have no issues with video playback,
I am running Touch IT 2.2 which i am not willing to replace yet because the ROM is fast as hell and bug free. Just used the HD converter in the sticky on page 1 along with a few speed tweeks from the Mark a Clienti thread and POW!! full screen, top notch quality res and not a single lag or frame drop in sight.
I have noticed that a lot of people are having issues with various applications on their SE X1's but i dont seem to have had any issues at all. I started with the clean ROM and made sure i installed all of my required apps and tweaks in one go, making sure to reset after each install. After that i just sat back and watched it fly, maybe i'm just lucky
Regards,
Creamy-Goodness
creamy said:
I also have no issues with video playback,
I am running Touch IT 2.2 which i am not willing to replace yet because the ROM is fast as hell and bug free. Just used the HD converter in the sticky on page 1 along with a few speed tweeks from the Mark a Clienti thread and POW!! full screen, top notch quality res and not a single lag or frame drop in sight.
I have noticed that a lot of people are having issues with various applications on their SE X1's but i dont seem to have had any issues at all. I started with the clean ROM and made sure i installed all of my required apps and tweaks in one go, making sure to reset after each install. After that i just sat back and watched it fly, maybe i'm just lucky
Regards,
Creamy-Goodness
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i dont see why I have to convert videos to another format.
Shadowdh said:
I have converted some Chinese tv serial episodes using magic video converter and they came out great, not too sure of the res but by memory its around 640x480 to 720x480 as you comment... no lag and sound is better than I expected... I also have a movie or two that works just as well, again Chinese stuff (as I am learning Chinese I find this is an interesting way to help out with both reading (subtitles) and listening)... I am using coreplayer and have it in full screen mode when watching...
Oh and I am by no means an apologist... if it was crap I would say so, but its not... but then I dont expect my phone to act or have the same capacity as my laptop/pc.... its a phone and does what it says on the tin...
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You might want to check out what the bitrates are on those videos. Your average avi video is about 1.3-1.4 gigabytes in size for your standard 1.75-2 hour movie. That comes to about 1,500 kbs. Anything significantly less than that and it looks kind of muddy when viewed on a regular sized TV screen. Ideally, you shouldn't even have to recode video you ripped yourself. In theory you should be able to rip once and play on all your appliances that are video capable using a standard codec with reasonable settings. An avi file 1.3 gigabytes in size for a 2 hour movie is entirely reasonable and I highly doubt that you can achieve that with the X1 in its current state. I've tried extensively and the only way you can make it play with any level of smoothness is by dramatically reducing the resolution or dropping the bitrate precipitously. You can't just drag an acceptable video from your computer onto this phone and expect it to play acceptably the way it is right now. As for the expectation that it's only a phone I say that the drivers are the only thing that prevent it from meeting the expectations. I'll bet the hardware is there, but HTC just feels like being cheap. Heck, there are phones debuting at MWC right now that do full motion 1080p playback of h.264 video. The X1, which isn't more than a few months old, can't smoothly play back a 640x480 1,500 kbs video. At $700 retail and their promise of a full-featured multi-media device that is scandalous. I dare anyone to say otherwise.
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You might want to check out what the bitrates are on those videos. Your average avi video is about 1.3-1.4 gigabytes in size for your standard 1.75-2 hour movie. That comes to about 1,500 kbs. Anything significantly less than that and it looks kind of muddy when viewed on a regular sized TV screen.
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You sound much more knowledgable than me so I wont try to argue with you, but I have quite a few avi files that are around the 800mb size that play very well and are crisp and clear even on a bigger screen (my laptop is 15.4 and pc is 19inches), in fact I find it pretty rare to have an avi file over 900 Mb for a standard movie (up to 2hours I would guess is pretty standard)... As another poster a couple of posts back mentioned, I notice a few problems that people are having that I dont... thank goodness as with my level of understanding I would be hard pressed to now what it is I need to search for to fix the problem...
The Xperia has a faster processor yet it cannot run iPhone formatted videos at 640x480 - i have followed all the tweak tutorials and even tried copying the videos onto my Xperias onboard memory yet i still cannot run them smoothly even in Windows Media play which is hardware accelerated!
Does the iPhone have a better GPU or something?
comeradealexi said:
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comeradealexi said:
The Xperia has a faster processor yet it cannot run iPhone formatted videos at 640x480 - i have followed all the tweak tutorials and even tried copying the videos onto my Xperias onboard memory yet i still cannot run them smoothly even in Windows Media play which is hardware accelerated!
Does the iPhone have a better GPU or something?
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Can you upload one of the videos? I will test it on my phone using coreplayer
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it can play higher quality videos than the Xperia though!
comeradealexi said:
it can play higher quality videos than the Xperia though!
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Please clarify?
comeradealexi said:
it can play higher quality videos than the Xperia though!
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Just upload the damn video so we can see what's wrong
Okay okay - here is the link:
http://rapidshare.com/files/258133963/testvid2__2_.mp4
I posted my last comment before i saw your one asking me to upload the vid btw
btw dont test in coreplayer
even with these settings:
RES IS: 600X360
i cant play the opening credits smoothly
comeradealexi said:
even with these settings:
RES IS: 600X360
i cant play the opening credits smoothly
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use this i convert 720p hd movies to 800x480 and it runs perfectly and looks insanely good.
comeradealexi said:
even with these settings:
RES IS: 600X360
i cant play the opening credits smoothly
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30fps is overkill and odds are it is the main cause for the slowdown also you'd want to use 128k for the audio.. you're much better off just using this.. quick easy, batch encoding everything you could want and more. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
edit: haha the post above me beat me by seconds. but yeah use that program instead.
james_2k said:
use this i convert 720p hd movies to 800x480 and it runs perfectly and looks insanely good.
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ibeQuint said:
30fps is overkill and odds are it is the main cause for the slowdown also you'd want to use 128k for the audio.. you're much better off just using this.. quick easy, batch encoding everything you could want and more. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
edit: haha the post above me beat me by seconds. but yeah use that program instead.
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I'll try that converter has i have before but i always get some annoying error when trying to encode the audio - i will try again and then also change fps to 25 - Super has some problems too when using a low audio codec so i had to put it higher but i'll test and see what happens:
The quality wasnt very good to be honest it wasnt very sharp and a little pixelated a times i used these settings:
SD INPUT - VGA:640x480
i am gunna test using these settings on super:
- Yea these settings worked better than before so i will encode the rest of my vids like this but back to the OP - why cant Xperia play like iPhone videos?
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I'll try that converter has i have before but i always get some annoying error when trying to encode the audio - i will try again and then also change fps to 25 - Super has some problems too when using a low audio codec so i had to put it higher but i'll test and see what happens:
The quality wasnt very good to be honest it wasnt very sharp and a little pixelated a times i used these settings:
SD INPUT - VGA:640x480
i am gunna test using these settings on super:
- Yea these settings worked better than before so i will encode the rest of my vids like this but back to the OP - why cant Xperia play like iPhone videos?
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why? iphone?
because it plays xperia videos better ... better resolution, crisp and clearer than the iphone ever can be.
Period.
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Okay okay - here is the link:
http://rapidshare.com/files/258133963/testvid2__2_.mp4
I posted my last comment before i saw your one asking me to upload the vid btw
btw dont test in coreplayer
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will do...
Something is indeed wrong with the MP4 file...all I see is a black screen...
It works in coreplayer though.
plays fine on my xperia, not too choppy either.
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plays fine on my xperia, not too choppy either.
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did you try coreplayer or windows media player
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did you try coreplayer or windows media player
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windows media player, don't have coreplayer installed.
yeah i can actually see if with Windows Media Player - but i have started encoding with these settings:
yet in the scenes with lots of action it just compleatly freezes! the rest of it is fine though
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yeah i can actually see if with Windows Media Player - but i have started encoding with these settings:
yet in the scenes with lots of action it just compleatly freezes! the rest of it is fine though
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put bitrate up to 1008 and it runs smoothly and there is about 150 MB per 21 mins of video - not very small but if i want good quality its what i gotta do.
Still i dont understand why it cant play iphone encoded vids?? any one got an idea on why that could be?
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put bitrate up to 1008 and it runs smoothly and there is about 150 MB per 21 mins of video - not very small but if i want good quality its what i gotta do.
Still i dont understand why it cant play iphone encoded vids?? any one got an idea on why that could be?
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what i dont understand is how gundamn boy can play that video.
there's no "n" at the end of my name.
it just plays in wmp fine, I don't know what the probelm is. I use a converter for my videos most of the time, but the one that comeradealexi posted works perfectly fine!
xD