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The following (long!) post was originally posted at the PointUI forum, but I thought it best to cross post it here. I've tried to organize it as best as I can and appreciate those with the patience to read it and the good will to offer help.
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My AT&T Tilt (HTC TyTN II) is basically out of commision right now, and I can only track the source of the problems back to the latest update of PointUI (v1.02b, Feb. 4th 2008), as I've done nothing else with the phone since. However, seeing as how I've uninstalled PointUI and the problems persist (and are getting worse), I suspect a virus is afoot, or some other lovely problem.
Since the update, I've experienced the same problems as everyone else on this PointUI thread (system hangs on "running apps" screen and randomly), but in addition to that, several other things. I am running the stock AT&T ROM without the bloatware. These have been my symptoms for the most part since then:
Periodically, animations between menus would slow down considerably and sometimes freeze for a moment, even when I had nothing else running in the background. This would happen for any menu: the cog, the bottom bar, favorites, etc.
The touchscreen would stop working (usually, only within PointUI). This usually happened when animations would slow down, but it would also occur alone, randomly. The hardware buttons would still work during touchscreen failure, usually, but sometimes they wouldn't, and I would have to soft reset.
Sometimes, the power button wouldn't work, and I would press it several times thinking I didn't do it hard enough the first few times. After ~20 seconds, the screen would turn itself off and on. When the screen was on, it would not responding to touches.
The PointUI top bar that appears when using any application would, at random, not work. By this I mean when I would tap it, it's like it wasn't even there -- the Start menu would come down, or the volume control, date/time, etc. depending on where I tapped it. Also, the top right button (red X, or the check mark) would not display correctly in programs or the today screen (a check mark when it should be an X, etc.), randomly, and would not be responsive.
Yesterday (Feb. 23rd), things took a turn for the worse. Here's what happened:
When I started up Tom Tom, the screen went completely non-responsive. Only buttons would work.
After exiting Tom Tom (in an attempt to restart it), the touchscreen would continue not to work, both in PointUI and regular old Windows.
Shortly following this, buttons would stop working, and the entire phone would freeze up. Couldn't turn the touchscreen on and off. I did a soft reset.
During startup, when it showed the AT&T logo, the screen dimmed itself to the lowest brightness setting (it never does this). It would remain this way all the way through the bootup process and into Windows as well, never getting any brighter. Even after going to the backlight settings and increasing the brightness, the screen would get brighter, but would never turn off.
Once in Windows, the touchscreen was completely non-responsive. Buttons would still work, but everything would move really slow.
The screen would never turn itself off. Also, when pressing buttons, the screen would never get any brighter.
After mashing the buttons a bit (in anger, yes, but lightly), the touchscreen alignment application came up, asking me to touch the screen in a few places. This worked.
Then, a call came in. The screen froze during the animation for the notification of an incoming call. Also, the phone started to ring, but within 1 second stopped. However, it would vibrate nonstop (my phone is setup to ring and vibrate at the same time) till the end of the earth!
At this point, none of the buttons would work, not even the power button. Did a soft reset.
This was followed by the same exact symptoms ~4 times (touch screen not working, never turning off and staying at the same brightness level, etc). Outgoing calls would work ok, but each time, a call would come in and freeze up my phone.
Eventually, after several resets, the touchscreen would work without having to mash the buttons to get the touchscreen alignment app running. However, it would still freeze on incoming calls (only).
Somewhere between all the resets, I realized that sliding out the keyboard would never switch the screen to landscape. I can still type and my text would show up on-screen, and screen taps still work properly (even touchflo), but all of this would occur while still in portrait mode.
Lastly, the power button would only work once. It can turn the screen off, but not back on, ever.
Somewhere, between the resets, I uninstalled PointUI, which did nothing. I also tried running Sprite Backup, which would never open (and still doesn't at time of writing)!
Before the PointUI update, none of these symptoms were present (earlier release was v1.01b, used since early January). After the update, they began creeping up, getting worse over time. I have installed nothing else since the update, and have only ever sync'd the phone with my computer to charge it.
Today (Feb. 24th), it started getting a little worse...
When I make calls, sometimes the microphone doesn't work at all. I can hear the person I'm calling, but they can't hear me.
Sometimes, the green phone button won't start the phone application.
Power button isn't turning off the screen anymore at all.
This is the current status of the phone. Weathered, battered and beaten, it marches on, still capable of opening the HTC Audio Manager and playing my MP3's in consolation.
Any help regarding the source of these issues is greatly appreciated.
Some additional notes/summary:
I am running the stock AT&T ROM without the bloatware.
I haven't dropped the phone or let it get wet.
I may hard reset sometime this coming week, probably Monday. The first thing I'll do is reinstall PointUI v1.02b, and maybe TomTom. We'll see how that goes.
You know, the more I read this post, the more it seems like a virus.
Man... just hard reset/flash a new rom and be done with it.
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Man... just hard reset/flash a new rom and be done with it.
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I thought the above was the reason we DIDN'T have WM viruses?
Virus + Hard Reset = Problem solved?
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Man... just hard reset/flash a new rom and be done with it.
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I agree, at least that way you know if its hardware or software related and you stop fighting a losing battle
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tsadek said:
I thought the above was the reason we DIDN'T have WM viruses?
Virus + Hard Reset = Problem solved?
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That's why I haven't bothered with any of the anti-virus programs out there. Why bother having a constant drain on the system resources when you can do a hard reset, and restore all the cabs & hacks in under 30 minutes?
-Jay
Just an update here, my phone started acting up again ~5 days ago: freezing on incoming calls, not switching to landscape when sliding out the keyboard, never turning the screen off, etc. 3 days ago it got better, and I was able to run Sprite Backup and tried to restore the phone back to my pre-PointUI days. It had to reset, and on that same reset, Sprite didn't run -- the phone just booted into Windows, and all my problems came back.
Last night, I got a call that froze up my phone again. So I reset it, and by surprise, Sprite Backup ran and started restoring my phone. Now it's back to the way it was in January, and everything works perfectly! This backup was made before I ever installed PointUI.
Bottomline, no PointUI, no problem.
However, I should say that with v1.01b, I never experienced any of these issues. Because of my experience, I'm not giving any test versions a try, but I may install 1.03b, when it comes out. Definitely doing another backup before that too.
Thank you everyone.
Sounds to me more like a hardware issue, perhaps with your SD card.
I had the same issues you were havingh, but without ever having installed PointUi on my Kaiser.
I was using Dutty's Rom version 7 with radio 1.27.xx
only installed aps : TomTom and SPB brain training
So it would seem this is a WM or TomTom triggered issue....
My Kaiser just started doing this very same thing today. I'm running the standard AT&T WM6.1 ROM and have been successfully since December 07. I have a 6GB SD card with TomTom on it, also have had no issues until now. Today, the screen didn't switch into landscape upon sliding the keyboard out; the camera freezes and/or is unresponsive; power button doesn't work (on OR off; with or without SD card inserted); couldn't pick up a call earlier today; TomTom freezes when loading; WM player freezes while loading media.... I have not installed any apps on this thing since January. Seems to me like some memory corruption going on, possibly page file related.
I *did* notice that I had about 45MB worth of temp internet files cached and cleaned those up earlier today after these symptoms started. Didn't fix the problem though, but being low on main storage may have contributed to the corruption problem.
I had hoped I wouldn't need to hard reset my phone but here we go....
The kaiser was probably one of the biggest pains in the asses I've ever dealt with, and probably won't be doing anything HTC for a long time to come.
It's a 8925 tilt that I got right when it came out. Got the unlock code from att and been using my tmobile sim ever since.
Sometime last year, the speakerphone died.
Then, earlier this summer, the phone just up and quit one day. Would give the tricolor screen and say there was no ROM.
Great. Switched to my backup $10 nokia and it's been great.
Decided to try again yesterday. Updated to the latest radio. Tried one of the cooked up 6.5's. Already been on hardspl 3.56 since last year.
And it's been chaos. Initial bootup froze up at the HTC screen. I gave it 20 minutes, and then did a hard reset. It booted up, imported my sim contacts. Then it went on to setting up the internet, and froze at 0%. Reset it, and it freezes at the HTC screen again. Again, hard reset. 10 minutes later, I'm finally booted and setup. Install Google Maps. Works fine. Few hours later, I pull my phone out of my pocket, and the screen is lit but displays nothing. Buttons are lit up too. Frozen again. Reboot it again, and it's like I hard reset it. Had to initialize the phone again, reinstall Google Maps.
Wake up this morning, and again, blank lit screen. Right now, it's seemingly functional, but I haven't done anything to it. From power on to booted takes roughly 4 minutes. Absolutely unacceptable.
Reflashed it, and it's behaving no differently.
Anyone else experience this before?
No, mine has been perfect in all aspects. I would suggest trying another HardSPL version & a standard HTC WM6.1 ROM & see how things run.
You could just be unlucky & have a bad device but it could also be due to bad ROMs & HardSPL version.
I was just getting over the initial buyers remorse phase for my galaxy (or in my case, flashers remorse, even though I run stock JPY and it's fine, I have this urge to re-exchange it for a SLOWER stock Vodaphone Australia 2.2 version that's probably more buggy, but at least truly stock), when I drained my battery to 1% to test battery life, and shut it off manually.
On the walk back to the recharger in my room I accidentally turned it back on, and I immediately tried to turn it back off again, without letting it go past the 'GT-19000' logo in fear of the battery draining. It just restarted again and I decided to let it boot this time. Mistake. It then started to randomly vibrate and shut off apps (mainly, my live background, shake them all) left right and center then went straight back into default first-boot menu, like the very day I received the phone, or after a hard reset. The funny thing was, instead of having default values selected, it had the ones I had already put in. I thought it would be fine after that. Wrong.
I tried rebooting it again to see if it fixed itself, and it does the same with the forced closes. I uninstall my background and re-install it, and save some settings. When it boots it restores the live background back to it's stock settings (the live wallpaper I chose is still there, but the settings for it are not).
At this point I'm scratching my head so I uninstall all apps. This time on boot it doesn't throw up "force close" errors, but instead force-closes a single app or service for me on boot, with the one buzz, then three quick buzzes. Sigh... I have to factory reset my phone. One thing that particularly annoyed me was the fact I moved all my apps (AngryBirds ) to my external SD card, yet miraculously, after the reset my phone doesn't seem to think it's there anymore! Another thing I'm pondering is that if I didn't reset my phone like this, would this still have occurred?
Runs perfectly fine after the factory reset, with no errors or anything on boot as of yet. I have been compulsively rebooting it ever since just to find out, LOL!
Is this a 'normal' sort of thing to happen on the SGS, or is just through shear coincidence the combination of me restarting the phone in it's booting phase + the low battery life screwed up some boot settings while the phone was writing to it, or is it some hardware error? I can see this as particularly annoying if it were to happen every month or so. Coming from an old brick phone with something like 8000 messages on it, it'd be inconvenient to say the least to start deleting everything periodically... I guess I can use apps to back-up data when this occurs, but some apps don't even work after it's been erroring out on me. *Pulls hair out*
TL;DR:
Reset my phone while it was booting (still on the GT-I9000 screen) on a low (1%) battery and it broke my phone settings. Forced closes unknown app/service on boot with no 3rd party apps installed, but still boots to home. Force closes 3rd party apps frequently if they're installed. Factory Reset/Wipe. Problem Solved. Annoyed. RAGE.
next time something like this happens use adb logcat to figure out what is actually going wrong
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On the walk back to the recharger in my room I accidentally turned it back on, and I immediately tried to turn it back off again, without letting it go past the 'GT-19000' logo in fear of the battery draining. It just restarted again and I decided to let it boot this time. Mistake. It then started to randomly vibrate and shut off apps (mainly, my live background, shake them all) ...
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you are not alone . after draining battery , starting it accidently up (drained) in middle of booting , killed it for me, well not killed but wouldnt boot for me and I had to the the factory reset. oh and since the nice bzz ... bzz bzz bzz I hear more often I would like to ( here was I ignored crying about it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=937938 )
Yeah I'll definitely boot up logcat if it happens again. I'm just hoping this isn't a regular occurrence . As long as I don't do anything stupid like this again, I'm thinking it should be fine.
The third time this happens, it's going back to the service center, so it's got two chances left! Another thing I failed to mention was that it was chewing up like 200mb~ ram with level 1+2 ram cleared, without loading back into the homescreen, before the factory reset. Probably the stupid forced close app/service leaking >.>
Pagot, if that were me and continual factory resets were the only way to fix it (or didn't fix it) I'd flash it back to stock (or just remove root) and return it to the service center if that's an option. Sounds like something got corrupted or didn't get flashed properly. Either way I'd let THEM waste their time sorting it out because no amount of flashing is going to solve a hardware issue if it turns out to be one.
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(had stock, so just root removing) but I know how our service centers work (and I would have to bring it even to our carrier) they wouldnt even talk to me if I didnt do the factory reset and the first thing they would do "reflash and factory reset"
right now I am not playing on the phone so much anymore. no lust or time so no idae if my apps are still fcing so often . And I installed speedmod and made a backup so I can revert back if something happens. So will see.
Wanted to just write about the battery down +(or) not full boot = corruption
Okay, I have been having a serious issue with my D3 lately. One time, my phone just randomly rebooted, and then it would get stuck at the red "Droid Eye" screen, where it would be laggy and such after a while. Eventually the screen would time out in like 2 minutes. After it turned off, I could not get it to turn back on. Basically dead, except I could still get notifications and even a phone call. But I could not act on any of them. it's like the phone's heart is still beating, but I can't turn the screen on. I pull the battery and reboot and it does it again. SOMETIMES if I keep touching the red eye screen I can get to get to the lock screen, but the wallpaper won't load and it's basically frozen. I even tried booting into safe mode and that didn't help. I took it to Verizon, they said they've a couple other people with a similar issue on the forums. They did a factory reset, and that has been the only solution to the issue. I have had it 3 times now, and this time I'm sticking with the Blur launcher and keeping only the essential apps installed. I'm assuming this is a software issue, and I'm currently trying to figure out if it is related to a certain app that was installed. Hoping they will fix this with an update! ANYBODY ELSE HAVING THIS ISSUE? if so, any leads on another fix or what it could be?
sounds like a software issue. a factory reset doesn't do anything other than change the software.
I had a similar issue on my droid 1. it was rooted and when I installed a gingerbread from I forgot who, it got stuck at the eye, kept rebooting, and occasionally, i'd get calls and it still wouldn't work. I look forward to root.
out of curiousity, did you have to take it to the store to factory reset or is there an option for it in the bootloader(I know its locked but I have no idea to what degree)
The first time I took it to the store they did it for me, but yeah there's an option in the bootloader. Just took my back to Verizon cuz this was the 4th time it's done it, they're sending me a new one! It's okay, cuz my nice screen open 'click' sound was gone on the keyboard lol
Hey guys, i have had the thrill since release date and about a month ago started having problems with data. when i turn on the screen, it shows that im connected to hspa+, but wont get the send and receiving of data arrows to light up. I usually wait about a minute with it trying to get data before i turn off the screen and on again. Usually I just solve the problem by rebooting the phone. This has really started to make me mad and made me want to sell this phone. Its pointless to have a phone in which you only get data half the time you turn the screen on. Any advice would be helpful, thanks.
Just did a nandroid backup, ill see if it improves anything
hotdog32836 said:
Hey guys, i have had the thrill since release date and about a month ago started having problems with data. when i turn on the screen, it shows that im connected to hspa+, but wont get the send and receiving of data arrows to light up. I usually wait about a minute with it trying to get data before i turn off the screen and on again. Usually I just solve the problem by rebooting the phone. This has really started to make me mad and made me want to sell this phone. Its pointless to have a phone in which you only get data half the time you turn the screen on. Any advice would be helpful, thanks.
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check your data usage, i got throttle a lot after hitting 5Gb in two weeks.
i'm having the same problems with my phone... i've got unlimited data too so i didn't figure it should be a problem. I'm new to the androids so i don't get what the whole up/down arrows are but it seems if i go from a wifi spot to a non wifi spot my internet shuts off.
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I had the exact same problem about 2 weeks ago. I called customer service they had me hard reset, which resulted in the same problem. Then I they had me factory reset, after the factory reset I was going through the Android setup process when the setup force closed. This basically soft bricked the phone. I would go into recovery then factory reset the phone again, they same result. Just a black screen, with the home keys lit up. I was able to get a new phone through warranty. I am hoping for this one to die as well and be done with this nightmare of a POS phone.
punkrockmp said:
I had the exact same problem about 2 weeks ago. I called customer service they had me hard reset, which resulted in the same problem. Then I they had me factory reset, after the factory reset I was going through the Android setup process when the setup force closed. This basically soft bricked the phone. I would go into recovery then factory reset the phone again, they same result. Just a black screen, with the home keys lit up. I was able to get a new phone through warranty. I am hoping for this one to die as well and be done with this nightmare of a POS phone.
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i had the same thing with it not working at all like that the other day too... i ended up just taking out the battery and it worked right again. I'm hoping after modding it i won't have any more problems though