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Another broken GPS.

Hey guys, hope you can help.
Successfully updated my V1615 to WM6.1 on Friday.
Before I did this, I had TomTom installed which used to get a lock on to the satellites in less than 30 seconds.
I used the device with TomTom on Saturday and after an initial delay of locking on (which I assumed normal as it was a fresh install) it worked.
However trying to use it today and it just will not pick up a signal.
The ROM I used was the Vodafone one linked to from the Wiki list. (3.08.161.0) (Radio 1.64.08.21).
I have also tried Changing the Radio ROM to 1.65.17.10 but no difference.
It's set to Other NMEA device, 4800 baud and COM4 like it always was. I have run a QuickGPS download.
Strange thing is, when I go into the GPS config in TomTom I used have all the satellites listed in gray which would then turn blue when locked on but now they aren't listed at all.
Please help! I do have a bluetooth gps receiver from when I had my Hermes so I can get but part of the reason to get the Kaiser is so I have an all in one unit. I'm just in the middle of a hard reset to try again but does anyone have any thoughts on the matter? It's gone from being a brilliant GPS unit to a dodo!
Thanks!

Test if Google Maps finds some satelittes, just to check if there is a problem with TomTom
http://www.google.co.uk/mobile/gmm/stp-js.html
If that doesn't work, I'd reinstall the old ROM and see if the functionality returns and if it doesn't assume you have somehow broken the GPS.

funkygibbon said:
Hey guys, hope you can help.
Successfully updated my V1615 to WM6.1 on Friday.
Before I did this, I had TomTom installed which used to get a lock on to the satellites in less than 30 seconds.
I used the device with TomTom on Saturday and after an initial delay of locking on (which I assumed normal as it was a fresh install) it worked.
However trying to use it today and it just will not pick up a signal.
The ROM I used was the Vodafone one linked to from the Wiki list. (3.08.161.0) (Radio 1.64.08.21).
I have also tried Changing the Radio ROM to 1.65.17.10 but no difference.
It's set to Other NMEA device, 4800 baud and COM4 like it always was. I have run a QuickGPS download.
Strange thing is, when I go into the GPS config in TomTom I used have all the satellites listed in gray which would then turn blue when locked on but now they aren't listed at all.
Please help! I do have a bluetooth gps receiver from when I had my Hermes so I can get but part of the reason to get the Kaiser is so I have an all in one unit. I'm just in the middle of a hard reset to try again but does anyone have any thoughts on the matter? It's gone from being a brilliant GPS unit to a dodo!
Thanks!
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wow you picked the wrong radio to change too. You should have read about it before changing to 1.65.17.10. You should do some research on what you did to yourself.

redbandana said:
wow you picked the wrong radio to change too. You should have read about it before changing to 1.65.17.10. You should do some research on what you did to yourself.
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Well he already said 1.64 didn't work either. Maybe you should read what's written.

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Well he already said 1.64 didn't work either. Maybe you should read what's written.
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Maybe you should read the thread that redbandana is talking about... maybe the bit about it being locked to your phone and you can't downgrade it... not really a good choice 'cos he's now stuck with that radio and also maybe stuck with WM6.1 (which also sucks - WM6.0 faster and more stable imho).

I had to do a hard reset and reinstall apps. TomTom no longer works. LiveSearch does RunGPS does. Neither TomTom or GPSTest can find the GPS. Any suggestions? When you choose other NMEA device in TomTom options are Serial on USB and COM7: that's it.
Thanks for any suggestions.

Well, it works now! I used to be able to get a lock on indoors, but now I can't. However if I go outside I cado get a lock on in TomTom. It seems like the GPS is now less sensitive, but hey, it works aand that's the main thing.
I'll do a search later but does anyone have a link to the thread regarding this dodgy radio. I did try and downgrade it but as you say, it didn't. I have some more coming in this week anyway so I can give this to someone who doesn't need/want GPS and I'll have the shiny new one. Ah the joys of working in IT!
Oh, and thanks to IK for the Google Maps link, brilliant app! I'd seen it on the PC but not pocket PC.

FWIW, my Tomtom uses the "Internal GPS" setting, not "other NMEA device"
Robert

funkygibbon said:
Well, it works now! I used to be able to get a lock on indoors, but now I can't. However if I go outside I cado get a lock on in TomTom. It seems like the GPS is now less sensitive, but hey, it works aand that's the main thing.
I'll do a search later but does anyone have a link to the thread regarding this dodgy radio. I did try and downgrade it but as you say, it didn't. I have some more coming in this week anyway so I can give this to someone who doesn't need/want GPS and I'll have the shiny new one. Ah the joys of working in IT!
Oh, and thanks to IK for the Google Maps link, brilliant app! I'd seen it on the PC but not pocket PC.
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This is the link for the 'dodgy radio'. It looks like it is also an AT&T only radio.

Thanks ach2. Did a search and have spent all morning readin it!
I'm now having issues with the actual phone operation, intermitant no sound or buzzing.
I think I'm going to take a chance and return it to Vodafone. They do a next day swap under our corporate contract.
If there is any comeback I'll just plead ignorance!

Satrted to have the buzzing earpiece and broken camera issue with this radio, so it's gone back to Vodafone as faulty! Replacement is currently still on stock Vodafone WM6.0 ROM. To be honest I think I'll stick with 6.0, as 6.1 didn't really offer anything over it.
Roll on 7.0!!

funkygibbon said:
Satrted to have the buzzing earpiece and broken camera issue with this radio, so it's gone back to Vodafone as faulty! Replacement is currently still on stock Vodafone WM6.0 ROM. To be honest I think I'll stick with 6.0, as 6.1 didn't really offer anything over it.
Roll on 7.0!!
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If you're sticking to WM6.0 (i do too) try Q-mobile 1.2 with radio 1.27.12.17 or 1.27.12.32 - they both work well in the UK.

funkygibbon said:
To be honest I think I'll stick with 6.0, as 6.1 didn't really offer anything over it.
Roll on 7.0!!
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My friend, you need this (Vodafone WM 6.1 pre release) and use it with this Niki 1.58.11.07 Radio.
Been running this for a few days and basically I've changed my opinion on my V1615 from wanting to sell to now enjoying using it.
Highlights include 30 - 55 second GPS fix in TomTom, much much better speaker phone and better call quality.
Try these out and I'm sure you'll agree.

Thanks guys, maybe I'll try them over the weekend.
Actually, that Vodafone 6.1 ROM is the one I tried and to be honest I didn't see much difference between that and the stock 6.0 one.
As long as I'm outside I get a lock on in TomTom in about 15 seconds which is good enough for me. On my old one that I bricked I was sure I used to get a signal inside as well.
I'm just looking at the Wiki for the Q-mobile one.
Thanks again for the help, suggestions and info. This is what makes the internet great! Complete strangers helping each other out.

funkygibbon said:
Thanks guys, maybe I'll try them over the weekend.
Actually, that Vodafone 6.1 ROM is the one I tried and to be honest I didn't see much difference between that and the stock 6.0 one.
As long as I'm outside I get a lock on in TomTom in about 15 seconds which is good enough for me. On my old one that I bricked I was sure I used to get a signal inside as well.
I'm just looking at the Wiki for the Q-mobile one.
Thanks again for the help, suggestions and info. This is what makes the internet great! Complete strangers helping each other out.
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Do you not experience the key lock bug in WM 6? Was one of the main reasons why I upgraded to 6.1.

-IK- said:
Do you not experience the key lock bug in WM 6? Was one of the main reasons why I upgraded to 6.1.
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What's that? Is that the one where you press end call to end a call and sometimes it locks your touch screen? If so yes, but not very often.

Yeah something to do with when you set your device with a password and it goes into sleep mode during a call and then you wake it up and the start menu stops working.

*Hopeless* GPS after 6.1 Update?

I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. In fact, every time I use it feels like a cold start these days, even though Quick GPS is downloading data regularly and always shows 6+ days.
Every GPS app is the same - Tom Tom, GPS Test, Google Maps, Live Search - I can be waiting up to 10, 15, 20 minutes for a fix. The only time it's quicker is if I've used the GPS recently, and even that is a bit of a black art.
I like running the official ROM and I'm happy with the update in every other way, but the GPS problem is driving me up the wall - am I the only one? Is anyone running the proper ROM and not finding their GPS impaired?
The weird thing is, I can watch GPS test picking up two, three, four satellites but it just won't lock...
This is with the WWE 3.28 ROM with the 3.28 SPL loaded (fixing the freezes under Hard SPL v1)... what's going on?

Boinng said:
...snip snippity snip snip...
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Usually, I've found the GPS lock time is Radio Based. Maybe try a different Radio.

Boinng said:
I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. snip...
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The only thing that is going to get me off the DEATH V3.5 ROM is a newer Rom by this same person.
The GPS is the best that I have ever had...
The phone signal is the best that I have ever had...
The GPS lock is about 30 seconds after TomTom starts...
The battery life is phenomenal - (it takes about 24 hours for the phone meter to register correctly) but I had 79 percent battery life left after using the phone all day yesterday at 11 pm last night (unplugged it at 6 AM).
Obviously - your carrier, your radio and ROM and where you are in the world can affect your signal greatly - but at this point - for me - the DEATH V3.5 ROM and radio rock and will stay on this phone as I LOVE having no phone issues.
HTH
Bill

Ok, maybe I've not been clear here - I'm not wanting to swap ROM stories or compare radios, I'm asking if anyone else is experiencing severe GPS problems with the stock ROM, and stock radio.
Anyone?
This isn't "which ROM/radio is best for GPS", it's "did the HTC ROM break your GPS?"

I have never looked at the official HTC ROM for comparison but I had the same thing after updating to certain ROM (non-official) the only way around it I found (other than replacing the phone) is another radio. Its not a problem with the ROM at all my good man just replace the radio and you should see a quicker lock time
I use radio 1.64.08.21 ang get a lock after approx 10-15 secs

Well If you are going to be snippy about it. Never mind. Forget I tried to help.
Though You may be hard pressed to find someone who is using the Stock ROM, I believe most people are wooed by the magic of Leo26, ConfusedStu, dutty, and the other Chefs out there.

So you wouldn't say that quoting my post back to me as "...snip snippity snip snip..." was being "snippy" in the first place?
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I'm just interested in whether this is a common problem or not. I know GPS performance varies between radios, but with this new ROM & radio the difference is pretty shocking, and given that HTC are expecting the whole world to have installed it, I was surprised nobody else seemed to have noticed. You're probably right, nobody here kept it for long enough to find out apart from me, but I like my phone to be "stock". I guess this is my reward.
The answer probably is to try another radio, but it's a funny old situation.

Boinng said:
Ok, maybe I've not been clear here - I'm not wanting to swap ROM stories or compare radios, I'm asking if anyone else is experiencing severe GPS problems with the stock ROM, and stock radio.
Anyone?
This isn't "which ROM/radio is best for GPS", it's "did the HTC ROM break your GPS?"
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I'm using the new (WM6.1) stock ROM from HTC on my Tytn-II and haven't had any issues with GPS lock. I would say less than 30 seconds assumming it has a clear view of a good percentage of the sky. Fix time is the same whether I use TomTom, GPS Tuner, or the HTC-GPS Tool.
Ofcourse if I try and start-up GPS while indoors or in an area where buildings block more than 50% of the sky then the fix time can be much longer.

Boinng said:
I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. In fact, every time I use it feels like a cold start these days, even though Quick GPS is downloading data regularly and always shows 6+ days.
Every GPS app is the same - Tom Tom, GPS Test, Google Maps, Live Search - I can be waiting up to 10, 15, 20 minutes for a fix. The only time it's quicker is if I've used the GPS recently, and even that is a bit of a black art.
I like running the official ROM and I'm happy with the update in every other way, but the GPS problem is driving me up the wall - am I the only one? Is anyone running the proper ROM and not finding their GPS impaired?
The weird thing is, I can watch GPS test picking up two, three, four satellites but it just won't lock...
This is with the WWE 3.28 ROM with the 3.28 SPL loaded (fixing the freezes under Hard SPL v1)... what's going on?
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I had the same problem after loading the 3.28 Hard-SPL. Reverted back to stock SPL and GPS is lightening fast.
Are you using the stock 3.28 SPL or the new 3.28 Hard-SPL?
Did you run Kaiser Tweak? if you did I would Hard Reset and try GPS test.

Got exactly the same problemwith the htc stock 6.1 rom. Nothin to do with hard spl etc as neve used it - phone has always been htc branded.
it appears that although quick gps data is downloaded, it is not used hence taking a long time as it needs to download the almanac data frim the satelites instead of quickgps. Ive emailed htc, but i have NEVER had a reply to any questions ive a ked in the past.

kavi said:
I had the same problem after loading the 3.28 Hard-SPL. Reverted back to stock SPL and GPS is lightening fast.
Are you using the stock 3.28 SPL or the new 3.28 Hard-SPL?
Did you run Kaiser Tweak? if you did I would Hard Reset and try GPS test.
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I'm on the stock SPL - my phone is Vodafone branded so I was originally using Hard SPL (with which I flashed the original stock HTC Rom) and then flashed the HTC 3.28 SPL after I found I had freezing issues with the 6.1 update. Haven't touched the new Hard 3.28, but from what you say it's obviously not going to help. I did wonder if the mystery fix in the 3.29 SPL might have something to do with the GPS, but if it's working fine for you on 3.28 who knows.

ardsar said:
Got exactly the same problemwith the htc stock 6.1 rom. Nothin to do with hard spl etc as neve used it - phone has always been htc branded.
it appears that although quick gps data is downloaded, it is not used hence taking a long time as it needs to download the almanac data frim the satelites instead of quickgps. Ive emailed htc, but i have NEVER had a reply to any questions ive a ked in the past.
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That's how it looks to me too - looking at the signal levels in GPS Test etc, it's not obviously a problem with the radio performance itself, which makes me doubt that changing the radio will actually help (while it will no doubt screw something else up).

I was just browsing through an interesting thread here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=292178 - on how Quick GPS works (or didn't work for a while) on the Artemis. There's some interesting stuff there about how all this is supposed to work.
I'm really suspecting that Quick GPS is broken in some way in the latest ROM. If it were working, then the phone should always have the almanac data and this should be visible in the settings screens in Tom Tom and other gps progs as satellites it's expecting to be there, but for me - unless I've had a very recent lock - it's always blank. In other words, the data isn't there, regardless of what Quick GPS is saying.
And a good question would be - where should the data be? Quick GPS itself is stored in the \windows folder, but there's no sign of the "packedephemeris.ee" file mentioned in the Artemis thread. Does anyone know where we should be able to find it on the Kaiser?
Another question is what server(s) should Quick GPS be downloading from - in my non-functioning Quick GPS, the settings in the registry are as follows:
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\0\0\IP > xtra1.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\0\1\IP > xtra2.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\1\0\IP > xtra3.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\1\1\IP > xtra1.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\2\0\IP > xtra2.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\2\1\IP > xtra3.gpsonextra.net
The three servers (xtra1, xtra2, etc) are also listed under HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\SNTP as Server 1, Server 2, Server 3 - does anyone see anything different on there working model?

Im having the same problem,
Running Dutty's 6.1 Dual rom. Once the ROM had installed I noticed that QuickGPS didn't work straight off the bat. I suffered long GPS lock wait times. I found a QuickGPS cab file which fixed QuickGPS but my lock times don't seem to have improved. Via GPSTest I get 3-4 within sight straight away, but they sit on red for ages perhaps a few more satellites with appear but again they'll all sit on red. until about 15 mins passes, then finally a fix.
Im sure my GPS responded quicker than that in previous ROM's. at the moment its not really effecting me and im really not going to go through another ROM change again to test.
Im already on radio 1.64.08.21 which is supposed to be the best out there. tut.
no idea about hard spl and all that business, not really sure what y'going on about.
Would also like to find a fix for this, as i've tried a few different methods of fixing with no luck.

So it's not the radio, which ties in with my hunch that this is more to do with Quick GPS. But my Quick GPS registry settings match those I've found elsewhere, and I've found the data - it's an "xtra.bin" file in the Windows folder, which also matches reports from working installs. And I'm having no problem with the whole downloading process, that's happening in the background (through Activesync) just as it always was.
So is there something in the actual Rom (and presumably the base rom used by Dutty) which isn't picking up that data when utlising GPS?

Well I think I read a few posts on Dutty's Dual ROM thread about QuickGPS not working straight off, but its a long thread to plow through to find out. S its entirely possible there's a good reason.
Hmmm

well I proved to myself im not inherently lazy I did a bit of searching around and found this little gem of a thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375172
it suggested that QuickGPS has a region setting in the registry
low and behold I checked my
HKLM\Software\HTC\QuickGPS\region
and it was set to US,
I changed this to say UK, I've not tested this but I think this might make a difference. I'll let you know whenI get the chance to play around on the way home from work. I usually try and get a fix on the 15 minute walk to my bus and dont get any fix at all, If all goes fine I'll be watching myself in Igo8 on the way home. Sad.

Hmm, fingers crossed for you, I just checked and mine it's showing "GB" though. So maybe your's should be GB (although that's not working too well for me) or maybe mine's wrong, and should be UK?

well I just popped outside for a quick test and Corblimey guvenor if Im not getting a fix in about 20 seconds.
Which is excellent to say the least since i was sat under a canopy of trees at the time and its grim as normal up't'north.
Id switch yours to UK, I didnt really think to try GB, but If its not working for you right now, I'd suggest trying UK.

I changed it to UK, soft reset, tried Tom Tom, no change. I then checked the registry and it had switched back to GB, so I changed it again, closed and reopened Quick GPS and redownloaded, back to Tom Tom again and.. no change. I don't think it's going to do it for me, maybe we have two different problems here..

How to tell TomTom is actually using QuickGPS?

Hi
Can anyone tell me how to work out if TomTom is actually using QuickGPS data?
On my old phone (which also had QuickGPS) when I went into the GPS details immediately after loading TomTom I'd see loads of satalites listed on the histogram before I actually got a lock. Now when I do a cold start they don't show until I've got a lock. For a warm start they do show and I get a very quick lock, but I'm guessing the QuickGPS data is more for speeding up the cold starts.
Also does anyone know if it makes a difference whether I choose "Internal GPS Device" or "Othe NMEA Device"? Either seems to work
Thanks
Dan

Timed testing?
dancj said:
Can anyone tell me how to work out if TomTom is actually using QuickGPS data?
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When the HTC TyTN II WWE WM 6.1 upgrade that wasn't first came out and GPS performance fell through the floor, there was speculation that QuickGPS wasn't doing its thing and that this was (at least part of) the reason for the very poor GPS performance and extended times to get a lock. Short of timed testing to achieve a satelite lock which isn't conclusive, I'm not aware of a way to prove that the data is being used by Tomtom or any other navigation software but it might be worth reviewing/searching among some of those past threads on the topic. Theres also alot of discussion in the Raphael forum about poor GPS performance on some Touch Pro devices and some of that is at 'nuts and bolts' level.
On my old phone (which also had QuickGPS) when I went into the GPS details immediately after loading TomTom I'd see loads of satalites listed on the histogram before I actually got a lock. Now when I do a cold start they don't show until I've got a lock. For a warm start they do show and I get a very quick lock, but I'm guessing the QuickGPS data is more for speeding up the cold starts.
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Yes it is. Have a read of the Kaiser GPS Enhancement Guide for some general information in this field but a seach should also yield LOTS on the topic.
Also does anyone know if it makes a difference whether I choose "Internal GPS Device" or "Othe NMEA Device"? Either seems to work
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I had it suggested to me (by HTC) to use the latter and configure the port manually but after much trialling this, I found it didn't fix the problem of poor GPS performance and as far as I was concerned was a waste of time. Given the version of Tomtom Navigator 6.032 was a special one co-developed with HTCs assistance for their devices, I cant see why changing away from 'Internal' should be benificial. In the end my slow fix fix only came with reverting to WM 6.0 for me. I believe some later WM 6.1 ROM/Radio/SPL combinations now offer GPS performance which is much better than earlier WM 6.1 implementations but as these aren't (yet) available through HTCs UK website for my device and I know what I currently have works very well, I'm staying with the official WM 6.0 setup for now. My device is out of warranty, so one day I may try another setup for comparison (say the latest Hong Kong WWE ROM/Radio/SPL).

Thanks - I'm experimenting with radio at the moment and I have managed to get some improvement, but it's annoying not being sure if QuickGPS is really working

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Thanks - I'm experimenting with radio at the moment and I have managed to get some improvement, but it's annoying not being sure if QuickGPS is really working
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Have you seen this thread about Hopeless GPS after WM 6.1 update yet? Since you're in the UK I'm interested to know how your GPS under WM 6.1 with your fairly new Radio is performing. What sort of times do you get standing still out in the open to get a 'cold' satelite lock? Have you tested with that 1.71xxxx eMO Radio as well? I believe the SPL version can also make a difference to GPS performance but I don't know any more about why that is.

In the last couple of days I've tried the 1.70.19.09 and 1.70.18.02 radios. They seem to have a much better GPS performance than 1.58.25.17 which I was on before. It's only been a couple of days though so I can't be 100%

uk radio

ok, so this may be a lame question and probably depends on a lot of variables but can anyone suggest a good radio for use in the uk??
is there such a thing, i've tried lots and so far seem to like a few but i still can't get the bl**dy GPS to work properly
i get a loke in about 10 mins if lucky.
i've used poldo's rom and ngy's and pda ultimate, and for my purposes poldo's seems the quickest and most stable to me.
any help would be appreciated.
dblonde

Using Radio in sig, lock about 2-3 mins, using mcguider "to which isn't the greatest sat nav prog"

yeah thanks for that. used that for a while, made my rom fast but gps lock was poor.
what do you think of the emo radio?
cheers mate

UK Radio version
I have dutty's 6.1 final with radio version 1.58.25.14. I am on T-Mobile and all is fine with my Kaiser. All this software was from the Kaiser software section on XDA.
Hope this helps

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yeah thanks for that. used that for a while, made my rom fast but gps lock was poor.
what do you think of the emo radio?
cheers mate
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Haven't used emo as have used the radio mentioned with no issue on every ROM i flash and even 3 carriers.
Do you use quickgps and have you tryed running GPSTest as you will find fix faster, also will always take longer for fix off cold boot.

I used to live in Solihull area of Birmingham and use 1.71.09.01 radio with 3G switched on (HSDPA off) and I could leave it with data connected all day and sync my mail every 15 minutes and at the end of the day after a few short calls I would still have 40 - 50% left.
I have just moved to South Wales (valleys area) and the same setup down there my battery is on 0% by 4pm. So I have had to kill 3G and set mail to manually refresh to get through the day.

fixed it
gps test installed and a new radio 1.65.16.25
get a gps fix in about 10secs.
i come from south wales, lived near the vally's in bedwas. now live and work in greenwich london.
small world.
thanks for everyones input.
dblonde

dblonde said:
fixed it
gps test installed and a new radio 1.65.16.25
get a gps fix in about 10secs.
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Glad you got this resolved but I used that Radio with the 'initial' UK HTC official WM 6.1 ROM update and it well and truely broke my GPS (compared to the WM 6.0 setup in my sig I'm back to using). I have no need to use gps test or any programs other that Tomtom Navigator 6.032 so I strongly suspect your results have more to do with GPS Test or the ROM, than that particular radio.

How to tweak to the maximum the Kaiser GPS?

Hello there,
I bought a week ago a second hand kaiser, and i noticed that it already had the hyper dragon IV lite rom flashed, so i told myself, all the hard work is done, go try some custom roms.
And I did, there was some lite ones, some plenty of softwares, some 6.5, but the thing i want from this phone is: THE GPS and the MP3 player, thos are the most important things for me, since i am all the time moving here and there, i really need them.
So, in order to be a more independant guy, i searched, and i searched again, i found some useful threads that made my gps work (because it almost wasn't working i bought it), and some others that made GPSTest display high bars on gps detecting but no fix at all (it also screwed my signal, and fu**** up my camera, and that's bad), all that by changing radio roms and trying.
And well i am very tired of trying again and again, feel just like if i was stuck in the middle of nowhere.
So, my questions:
Does the gps really work better on 6.0wm than the 6.1 and 6.5?
Does the gps really work better on stock roms than cooked ones?
Does the quickgps software really improve the speed to get a FIX?
How long are the bars your devices display when you activate your GPSTest soft? (i'm having a quarter max, and when i say a quarter, it is really the down limit of the quarter, it rarely go upper)
I have a tomtom 7.450 soft, and this thing is all the time saying bad gps reception (sometimes it even end up screaming no gps harware), is it normal?
So what software do you use for navigation?
I really don't care about cooked roms optimisations, fast and everything and all that, i want to be able to answer and emit calls, receive and send SMS, write some notes from time to time, and make GPS working great, wanna have a super fast fix.
I'm living at Brussel in belgium, living in the 5th floor, and testing my gps close to window, or i go to a parc 10 minutes away from home.
I am ready to try almost everything that can guis ALL of US to have a better GPS!

This works for me.
neolander said:
but the thing i want from this phone is: THE GPS and the MP3 player, thos are the most important things for me, since i am all the time moving here and there, i really need them.
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I can relate to that as they are both near the top of my priority list too.
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So, my questions:
Does the gps really work better on 6.0wm than the 6.1 and 6.5?
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In my experience solely with Official HTC ROMs (which don't include WM 6.5 of course) yes - and by a longggg shot.
Does the gps really work better on stock roms than cooked ones?
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I've heard it does but they'd have to do pretty well to surpass the GPS performance and simplicity I'm getting from my current setup.
Does the quickgps software really improve the speed to get a FIX?
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As I charge my TyTN II by putting it to bed in its cradle every night (which is connected via USB to my PC on the internet), it automatically updates its QuickGPS data so it's hardly ever more than a day old any way. Often times during a day while I've got an active data connection I'll also manually initiate a QuickGPS download. Interestingly, the HTC Official WM 6.1 'update' for my TyTN II broke this feature and QuickGPS wouldn't automatically update when plugged into its cradle - even manual updates didn't make a difference though as far as WM 6.1 was concerned.
How long are the bars your devices display when you activate your GPSTest soft? (i'm having a quarter max, and when i say a quarter, it is really the down limit of the quarter, it rarely go upper)
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I don't (need to) use that software as GPS performs fine without it on my setup.
I have a tomtom 7.450 soft, and this thing is all the time saying bad gps reception (sometimes it even end up screaming no gps harware), is it normal?
So what software do you use for navigation?
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I have version 6.032 which came with my HTC Branded TyTN II on an accompanying CDROM. It's still avail for purchase although for some crazy reason TomTom wont sell version 7 or even an upgrade to it so there's no official way to buy it except for on the devices it comes with. If you get hold of version 6 from TomTom on a device kitted out as per mine, it will work and work well - unless you have lead lined walls and heat reflective film on your windows in which case you'll only get good performance outside.
I really don't care about cooked roms optimisations, fast and everything and all that, i want to be able to answer and emit calls, receive and send SMS, write some notes from time to time, and make GPS working great, wanna have a super fast fix.
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Similar priorities to me, the only true speed/performance related area I find important is GPS, reliability is the next preference and thats where the Radio version I'm using comes into things. I found that although 1.27.12.11 gave quick GPS fixes, sometimes when Pocket Media Player was playing a music or video file, it'd stall its playback while waiting for TomTom to get a fix. Radio version 1.27.12.32 fixes this and also gives quick GPS fixes. I have tried even newer radios (2 versions of 1.27.15.32) but alas as is with the case of many of the newer offerings, that was a step backwards in terms of GPS performance (at least here in the UK (/Europe?).
There is a section in the xda-dev wiki all about improving GPS performance if you haven't already found it.

I had tomtom 7 and the gps fix in that software was horrible for me. Even when google maps and gpstest had a good fix, tomtom would say "bad signal" or "no signal. I switched to igo which locks in after a minute and works perfectly. The other problem that could be affecting you might be the radio version. I had one radio that would make my GPS useless; it would never connect. Try changing your radios and see if that helps.

Flying Kiwi said:
In my experience solely with Official HTC ROMs (which don't include WM 6.5 of course) yes - and by a longggg shot.
I've heard it does but they'd have to do pretty well to surpass the GPS performance and simplicity I'm getting from my current setup.
As I charge my TyTN II by putting it to bed in its cradle every night (which is connected via USB to my PC on the internet), it automatically updates its QuickGPS data so it's hardly ever more than a day old any way. Often times during a day while I've got an active data connection I'll also manually initiate a QuickGPS download. Interestingly, the HTC Official WM 6.1 'update' for my TyTN II broke this feature and QuickGPS wouldn't automatically update when plugged into its cradle - even manual updates didn't make a difference though as far as WM 6.1 was concerned.
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Okay, i'll try to find a stock 6.0 rom and give it a shot, do i have to flash a stock radio rom (even if don't understand how we could modify radio roms...)
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I have version 6.032 which came with my HTC Branded TyTN II on an accompanying CDROM. It's still avail for purchase although for some crazy reason TomTom wont sell version 7 or even an upgrade to it so there's no official way to buy it except for on the devices it comes with. If you get hold of version 6 from TomTom on a device kitted out as per mine, it will work and work well - unless you have lead lined walls and heat reflective film on your windows in which case you'll only get good performance outside.
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Well, seems that the guy who sold it to me cracked it, i'll give him a call, and may be switch to Igo or an old version of tomtom
I dont have any film on my windows
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Similar priorities to me, the only true speed/performance related area I find important is GPS, reliability is the next preference and thats where the Radio version I'm using comes into things. I found that although 1.27.12.11 gave quick GPS fixes, sometimes when Pocket Media Player was playing a music or video file, it'd stall its playback while waiting for TomTom to get a fix. Radio version 1.27.12.32 fixes this and also gives quick GPS fixes. I have tried even newer radios (2 versions of 1.27.15.32) but alas as is with the case of many of the newer offerings, that was a step backwards in terms of GPS performance (at least here in the UK (/Europe?).
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Just tried this two, and i have no sound on the phone while calling, and no camera (screen remain black)
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There is a section in the xda-dev wiki all about improving GPS performance if you haven't already found it.
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Euh, which one? I seen so many articles and articles that i'm not sure if i seen it
Edit: are ou talking about this one? :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
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I had tomtom 7 and the gps fix in that software was horrible for me. Even when google maps and gpstest had a good fix, tomtom would say "bad signal" or "no signal. I switched to igo which locks in after a minute and works perfectly. The other problem that could be affecting you might be the radio version. I had one radio that would make my GPS useless; it would never connect. Try changing your radios and see if that helps.
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I tried so much radios, i don't know what to try again ? I even tried some of the polaris radios ...
And like a i said i'll give Igo a shot too
Thank you for your interest, thanks for answering me
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Just flashed back to ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
Radio: 1.27.12.32
But gpstest cannot find the gps, and it stucks on com5 while scanning
And when i close GPSTest i cant launch it again

More than enough to go on
neolander said:
Okay, i'll try to find a stock 6.0 rom and give it a shot, do i have to flash a stock radio rom (even if don't understand how we could modify radio roms...)
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I don't understand what you're getting at. The precise setup in my signature works really well for GPS. If you flash all those components and aren't to far away from the UK, I imagine it'll work well for you - there's no harm in trying.
Well, seems that the guy who sold it to me cracked it, i'll give him a call, and may be switch to Igo or an old version of tomtom
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The map for my 'old' version of TomTom was on special offer (Western Europe 6.75) so you may well pick up a bargain.
I dont have any film on my windows
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I was just kidding about lead lined walls and metalised film covered windows (although many new cars these days have metalised windscreens, so if it doesn't work in your car that may be why).
Just tried this two, and i have no sound on the phone while calling, and no camera (screen remain black)
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Thats because you've not read the relevant ROM Flashing wiki's and stickies enough to know that you must use a WM 6.0 Radio with a WM 6.0 ROM. I suggest you spend more time revising things in this area as it WILL be time well spent and you'll learn more about your device.
Euh, which one? I seen so many articles and articles that i'm not sure if i seen it
Edit: are ou talking about this one? :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
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Thats one of the links in the relavant section have a look at the TomTom Section around two thirds down the Kaiser wiki
I tried so much radios, i don't know what to try again ? I even tried some of the polaris radios ...
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Well you needent. All the details of what works best (as far as stock components go) are in my sig and as Belgium isn't far from the UK, I cant see why it shouldn't work well for you also
Just flashed back to ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
Radio: 1.27.12.32
But gpstest cannot find the gps, and it stucks on com5 while scanning
And when i close GPSTest i cant launch it again
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You did read the part in the wiki about making sure you have a WM 6.0 compatible SPL version didn't you (SPL questions? section covers it well). Again, you need ALL the bits in my sig (note that I don't need or use GPStest under this WM 6.0 setup). I cant say how it'll go with other than TomTom 6 as thats all I've used apart from Google Maps which also works very well on this setup - you might want to try the free Google Maps for testing purposes if you have a data package from your network provider.
I got my current setup by flashing hardSPL 1 then the complete ROM shown in my sig (which came with 1.27.12.11 Radio originally) then upgrading the radio to 1.27.12.32, then flashing the HTC 1.93 spl (this last step shouldn't be necessary though if you think you'll be doing more flashing).

I'm using the official WM6.1 and the GPS lock is horrible. I can see it getting signal from a number of sats but it can take 10minutes to lock in sometimes. I've read some threads on the subject, and have tried Quick GPS and have aGPS off, but neither guarantees a quick lock.
I seem to recall WM6.0 was better but it was also using a different radio then as well.
Anyway, sorry nothing I can offer to help.

WM 6.1 GPS - standard stuff
dman7777 said:
I'm using the official WM6.1 and the GPS lock is horrible.
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OK - no surprises there then....
I seem to recall WM6.0 was better but it was also using a different radio then as well.
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You mean like the setup in my signature? You do realise it's possible to go back to this if you read up here on xda-dev about how to do so?
Anyway, sorry nothing I can offer to help.
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I agree, short of trying a custom WM 6.1 ROM, with no guarantee of success or installing third party apps to 'help' the GPS work properly, IMO WM 6.1 is a lost cause as far as GPS is concerned.

I had the same problems with the GPS, what I've found to work is using a program called GPSToday. there are 2 programs, one is a today plugin, and the other is a program. I use the program, and it really makes a difference for me. If you do a search in the Kaiser software forum, you will find more information about it. I use it with TomTom software, i start GPS today a min or 2 before i start tomtom and i get a fix right away.
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Great News from Here
I Managed to get my phone configured exactly like yours, and god! It is damnly fast, i got my first fix within seconds, its almost unbelievable !
I had it configured like that when you first advised, but i forgot to downgrade spl, i suppose that was the cause of the malfunctioning.
I really recommend to everyone who have the same priorities, to flash back to Flying Kiwi settings:
ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
ROM Date: 08/28/07
Radio: 1.27.12.32 (better than 1.27.12.11 with WMP)
Protocol: 22.45.88.07H
SPL: 1.93
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Here is the threads that can help you :
For the SPL: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
For downloading the 1.56.405.5 rom: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
For the 1.27.12.32 radio: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_Radio
Man, you really were very helpful, thank you very very very much, and my kaiser is even faster with this settings.
If i can help by anyway send a pm please
This post should be made sticky for future information!
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I have to Warn you Guys: In order to have the GPS working you have to follow this procedure:
Flash the 1.56.405.5 rom and then flash the 1.27.12.32 radio rom, and finally flash the SPL, otherwise GPS will not work, i just tested that

Did the Wm6.0 up/downgrade also resolve the precission of the GPS?
Iam now on WM6.1 WWE with radio 1.70.19.09 and hardSPL 3.56 with a realy fast GPS fix within 30 secs. no problems with that
But the problem is that I mention a little lag kind of thing when navigation with TT7 in my car. The Tomtom arrow is little bit behind with the reality it is usable though but if i connect it to an external sirfIII gps mouse it is more accurate.
So I wonder if you guys also have a slight GPS lag with WM6.0...
in Tomtom