Hi All
Spent awhile searching the forums (and the web) but couldn't find any relevant answers -- so here goes & apologies if it has been up before...
My TyTN2 got rain on the screen a few days ago (about 15-20 drops) and since then the touch part of the screen no longer works. The phone itself works perfectly, the screen displays everything as it should, but no touch.
Could a few raindrops do this?
I have a Hermes/TyTN 'lying around', anyone know if the screens are the same/compatible, was about to start searching for part numbers etc. but thought I'd ask the question anyway.
Any help, answers, pointers or links would be appreciated.
TIA
You could always buy a new touch screen.
I saw one at dealextreme.com for 4.99 , probably not the best quality but you can always give it a try for that price
sku.14919
cnn.cn also has the part , but only in combo with the actual lcd screen.
Thanks RacerII -- will check it out..
Had a similar issue with the touch screen dying after an os crash the other night n thought it was dead. Did a hard reset and reflashed and everything worked just fine. Try the hard reset and reflash first before you think about any repair options
@kaalgoosy
Thanks for the reply -- did a hard reset as you suggested, no change -- about to try a reflash -- currently using L26's B1 ROM, have dl'd B4 and will give that a whirl -- only problem seems to be I have to bypass the Welcome/Screen Alignment section (no touchscreen!) and Activesync seems to be lacking/missing/not working -- so can only try the SD method -- just reading up on that now
ROM update made no difference (wasn't holding my breath anyway...)
Looks like a screen replacement, after looking at the potential difficulties separating the digitiser from the LCD, decided a straight LCD replacement is my best option -- have found a place that will supply it (London UK) for £30 + p&p -- anyone know of a better (read cheaper) supplier?
Intending to use Mike Channon's guide to replace it myself...
no few drops of rain wont cause that damage...
most new PDAs and new gadgets in general including cams, portable ps... etc has a elements of water resistant+shock resistant and even an anti-magnetic field absorbtion (or something like) to reduce interference with other devices...
blackfoot said:
My TyTN2 got rain on the screen a few days ago (about 15-20 drops) and since then the touch part of the screen no longer works. The phone itself works perfectly, the screen displays everything as it should, but no touch.
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there must be another reason cuz first sign of water damage will be blurry display..
blackfoot said:
the screen displays everything as it should, but no touch.
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get your phone inspected by a professional technician especially if under warranty (dont tell them it was affected by rain drops.. they wont know) it might not be a very fair thing to say but again who said life is fair
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ROM update made no difference (wasn't holding my breath anyway...)
Looks like a screen replacement, after looking at the potential difficulties separating the digitiser from the LCD, decided a straight LCD replacement is my best option -- have found a place that will supply it (London UK) for £30 + p&p -- anyone know of a better (read cheaper) supplier?
Intending to use Mike Channon's guide to replace it myself...
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Have you got a web address for the London supplier? I think my screen may be on the way out.
Good luck with the replacement.
@jahrami -- was using the Kaiser's camera to take some photos for my daughter, it started raining while I was taking the last couple. 15-20 drops or so (as I said). Dabbed this off with kitchen roll, put the phone away. Got home a little later, tried to use the phone, no touch -- played around, soft reset etc etc, but nothing.
The rain is the only thing that has happened to it -- the display is perfect, phone itself works perfectly, have hard-reset, reflashed ROM, still no touch control... and while in theory I agree with you that a few drops of rain _shouldn't_ cause this sort of damage, it seems it has. Checked the water damage strip behind the battery, it's white, assume this goes pink/blue or WHY when exposed to real amounts of water.
Sadly, warranty is out (by 1 month) & the local phone shops want £40 to strip it and look... £32 for a screen? I'll do it myself -- if it doesn't fix it, back to the Eten M700...
@ach2 -- tried to put a complete & direct link to the item, message box wouldn't accept it (very long url). This company sells on ebay too, slightly cheaper (27.99 +p&p) and under various other site names, feedback is positive and screens are new. Can't comment on the company personally, unless you wait for a week. Thanks for the good wishes, will probably need them.
http://www.sparepartsformobiles.com search for Kaiser LCD replacement.
OP:
Before you buy anything for 27 quid: Note that there are 2 elements to that screen, as was mentioned (but maybe not quite clear) in post 2. There is the actual screen, which is a liquid crystal screen with thin film transistors with a glass plate on top, but on top of that is a digitizer. The digitizer is literally 2 sheets of slightly conductive plastic put together to assess where the stylus (or your finger) is currently touching it.
The digitizer shouldn't cost you more than about 5-10 quid. The full screen is going to cost you about 30 quid. You definitely don't need a new screen.
I've replaced 2 digitizers and 1 full screen on my HTC magician (I'm very good at smashing it into things) and after I broke it again, I bought a used HTC tilt cause I felt that an upgrade was in order. I ordered the digitizers for the magician and the screens from a generic eBay store in Hong Kong, it arrived the US (Boston) after about 2 weeks, I would expect Old Blighty to be similar.
Greetings from "New" England.
lncdoc
One more suggestion for you: have you considered using a virtual mouse cursor program? Maybe VirtuaMouse One-Hand?
Of course it won't actually "fix" your screen, but at least you'll be able to tap around your PPC until you fix the touch panel itself.
i will agree with such a temporarily fix, use a combination of virtual mouse
and voice commander and hotkeys shortcuts to navigate through your phone
look for second hand screen, there must be some around dude
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One more suggestion for you: have you considered using a virtual mouse cursor program? Maybe VirtuaMouse One-Hand?
Of course it won't actually "fix" your screen, but at least you'll be able to tap around your PPC until you fix the touch panel itself.
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Looks like a screen replacement, after looking at the potential difficulties separating the digitiser from the LCD, decided a straight LCD replacement is my best option
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@incdoc -- Greetings to you too, cousin -- yes I do realise the screen has a separate digitiser (see quote above from earlier post), and in fact, the same supplier has digitisers for £8 but after reading about the difficulties of separating the digitiser from the LCD thought I would save time, effort and money by replacing the LCD in its entirety. I can always play with the older one afterwards, and if I successfully split them will get a touch screen and keep the thing as a spare, which seems like a good idea, as there are now several more posts regarding the same or similar issues to mine, just within the last few days.
Are you suggesting that separation _isn't_ difficult?
@EGMine -- have to say that I haven't heard of VirtuaMouse One-Hand, will look it up -- thanks for the suggestion.
Jahrami -- thanks for the suggestion, about to check VirtuaMouse and completely forgot about Voice Commander, just changed my ROM to L26's B4, (after fault developed) so haven't set the phone up, yet -- but definitely will set up some voice tags.
Big thank you (for telling me something I should have thought of myself -- age really is a bummer!)
Edit** Dl'd trial of VirtuaMouse, good idea -- hard work! Combination of Voice Tags and scroll wheel much better. Eten M700 back in cupboard. ;-))
Dammit, dammit and dammit!
In the interest of rounding things off -- thought I'd post this to (almost) end my (little) epic.
Bought a replacement screen from the source listed above, £32, web price was lower with free shipping, but phoned the order through to get a quicker delivery. Arrived the next day, exactly as ordered. (Bravo!) No tools included, but I have some anyway.
Used Mike Channons guide to replacement (no mention of the sticky keyboard hinge 'finisher' anywhere BTW), all went as planned. Total time to replace about 1hr 15mins. (Not rushing)
Screen kicked in, onto alignment and yippee! -- touch working again!
Knew I shouldn't have had that celebratory cup of tea! -- put SIM in, followed by SD card, phone no longer recognises the SIM. Bu**er!
Stripped the phone again (impressed myself, took less than 10 minutes), checked to see if the SIM ribbon had popped off -- seemed ok, but popped it and reseated it anyway. Reassembled the phone, popped in the SIM -- Bu**er again.
Stripped the phone again (4 minutes -- not bad eh?), checked the SIM connection to the keypad PCB and 2 of the contacts in the socket look slightly mangled.
At this point now I'm wishing I'd gone for the £70 repair option, it's 20 to 1 in the morning (12:40 am to you), the eyes are a little fuzzy and I (once again) have a TyTNII 'kit' in front of me.
Oh well, there's always tomorrow -- now where did I put my Eten M700?
EDIT** Forgot to add a request, if anyone has a TyTNII in bits and wants to sell the keypad PCB, leave info or PM. Thanks.
EDIT 2** Oh well, seems like I _have_ kiboshed the SIM socket on the keypad PCB -- so hoping someone has one (keypad PCB or TyTNII) lying around will sell for bits?
i have a problem with my tytn ii screen.
every now and then is appears to be sort of "flashing" and have lots of tiny lines running across it.
the flickering sort of looks like one of those old amigas when the resolution was too high?
you can see it on the facebook bar on the mobile site webpage more clear that anywhere else.
is this the screen on the way out, has anyone else ever had this? the touch still works ok.
i havent dropped it or anything, and do use the web on the phone a hell of a lot.
i have seen a service on ebay where u send the phone and its returned to you same day they receive it with a new screen fitted, this is 30 quid but i obviously dont want to send it unless i am sure this is the prob.. anyone know how much htc charge for a new screen repair? prob more than 30 quid i would think?
any help or advice is much appreciated.
Does it seem to happen more, or be more noticeable, when you are sliding the keyboard open and closed?
Could be the ribbon connector, rather than the screen itself.
yeah i read that it could be ribbon - doesnt seem to make any diff when opening and closing, and screen is only dodgy i would guess at 80% of the time?
only started happening the other day though - if it doesnt get worse i guess i can live with it.
do you think it is the screen? i suppose i can email the ebay seller and ask if a new ribbon is included too.
this is what i was looking at
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HTC-TyTN-II-K...ries_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item5ad18cf0be
My g1 touch screen wont respond but still shows have to use track ball can anyone help phone in perfect condition
I assume it is out of warranty? Never been wet? Not been dropped?
I have had digitizers that look fine do some pretty wacky things, but it could also be the board too. Hard to diagnose over the net
If it's under warranty, get a new one. Otherwise you would have to get ahold of some spare parts but I wouldn't know how to troubleshoot the thing...
Wonder if there's a troubleshooting flowchart out there or something. Didn't see one in the service manual.
OK I have been using my N1 for almost 2yrs now. I love it, but out of nowhere the connections on bluetooth, wifi, 3G, and occasionally cellular drop. Coincidentally it happened when 2.3.6 was released and I refused (updated since no change) the update. When I use my bluetooth headset I'm told I sound like I am underwater. I installed CM7 thinking that would solve it (maybe it's a stock ROM issue) but it was still the same. I can put my phone next to the router and still show (1bar) a poor connection .
OK so what can I do to fix this? I don't want to purchase a new phone (besides this glitch it looks mint) right now. Also I don't really have the cash for it either. Someone said the antenna may be loose (don't know how that would happen) and I could open it up and fix it.
Now you all Mod software but has anyone actually opened up an N1 and is there really a way to tighten the antenna? Please let me know if anyone else has had this issue or is there a way to test for a solution.
Thanks
A little more info
Was just on a cell call and noticed that the green cellular indicator turned white (no idea if that's related) it is back to green now and full. However this seems to be a pattern of being green 3G and Cell strength to white. Hope that provides so more info to someone trying to help me.
Green/white is an indication of connection to Google servers, nothing else.
Radio is only responsible for 3G data, bluetooth and WiFi are completely different entities and aren't related to radio. If you're experiencing bad reception - most probably your antenna contacts need cleaning or are misplaced, open the lower cover (not the battery one) and look there (this cover IS the antenna - just don't know which one).
Special tools?
Jack_R1 said:
Green/white is an indication of connection to Google servers, nothing else.
Radio is only responsible for 3G data, bluetooth and WiFi are completely different entities and aren't related to radio. If you're experiencing bad reception - most probably your antenna contacts need cleaning or are misplaced, open the lower cover (not the battery one) and look there (this cover IS the antenna - just don't know which one).
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OK found a teardown on youtube of the Nexus one so I understand the antenna is on the bottom. However it looks like they used a special tool to open the case on the bottom. Where would I get that? Also considering I paid for it outright (yep unsubsidized direct from Google); even if I'm out of warranty would you recommend (if this is something more complicated) I send it to HTC for repair? Someone else said the Broadcom chip may have gone bad if both the wifi and bluetooth seem to stop working or have poor reception. Not sure if that seems correct since if it went bad I would think it wouldn't work at all but before I make tool marks trying to take it apart I figured I'd ask.
I'm not sure the repair will be worth it, financially.
If you want to open the lower part of the case - you may only need a small flat screwdriver and good hands, to avoid scratching the surface.
Something else now
OK now voice dial command isn't working when I hold the bluetooth button. Maybe indeed it is the chip. I was able to take off the plastic cover but I need to get a T5 screw driver (lol for some reason smallest I have is T6) so I will get one tomorrow and see how it goes. There is one more cover to remove and put back on. Financially since I paid full price I'm not sure why it's not worth fixing? I figured HTC would charge around $100 for a repair. Which is less than going price for a new (i.e. Galaxy Nexus II) phone . Also I haven't seen any new phones with a trackball (which I love for the notifications and when I need precise movement) so I really don't want a new phone till they add something like an optical trackball or improve precision on finger location. Also I might get lucky if the credit card I purchased it on will cover a repair (they double warranties) and I still have a few months left.
Nope!
Jack_R1 said:
I'm not sure the repair will be worth it, financially.
If you want to open the lower part of the case - you may only need a small flat screwdriver and good hands, to avoid scratching the surface.
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OK got the required tools and took it apart (both covers on the bottom) and then re-assembled it back, making sure I seated the vibrator motor back carefully. Turned on the wifi and still have same issue. So guess my phone is broke further than I can repair it. Thanks for your advice but unless there is software to check that chip it looks like only option is HTC.
Yes, looks like it might be damaged beyond the home repairs capability.
Financially - If I were you, instead of spending $100 on Nexus One repair, I'd sell it for parts for $70 or so, added the $100 you wanted to spend on the repair, and bought a used MT4G in good condition. You'll lose colored trackball (and get a trackpad - which, if you use Sense ROMs that this phone runs perfectly, will be absolutely useless), but gain WAY better phone, in just about every aspect you can think of. The same applies to any phone you can get for cheap from "outdated" MSM8x55 family - Desire HD/Desire Z/G2/Desire S (some of them aren't compatible with T-Mobile frequencies, put attention). I know this from first hand experience, since until recently I had 3 of them - Nexus One, MT4G, and Desire S for my wife. Guess which phone did I get rid of?
But - just in case you'll want to follow this advice and settle specifically on MT4G - make sure you read MT4G forums thoroughly before you do. There are 2 weak points for MT4G - the screen (more important) and the eMMC chip (less important, but still counts). Both can come in 2 variations, better and worse. Make sure you choose the better.