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playstation emulation sucks on my tilt

i guess ill sign that petition now...
has anyone been able to get it run without bein way to choppy?

Why on earth do people want to emulate a playstation. Its hard enough playing pacman on one of these things. I think people forget this is supposed to be a phone first and foremost.

j1ngles said:
Why on earth do people want to emulate a playstation. Its hard enough playing pacman on one of these things. I think people forget this is supposed to be a phone first and foremost.
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The Kaiser is a so called "PDA PHONE" ... PDA first !
And a PDA of this price (one the most expensive) you can expect it to be able to play with the Playstation emulator at a decent speed.

on the topic of emulation, has anyone found a decent gba emulator for this phone? i really want to play pokemon on it. oh errrrrr yea its for my little brother

guys and gals, do read the other PS & emulation-related threads, there have been several of them

dizzy33 said:
The Kaiser is a so called "PDA PHONE" ... PDA first !
And a PDA of this price (one the most expensive) you can expect it to be able to play with the Playstation emulator at a decent speed.
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HTC , it seems, has an entirely different view of PDA's... they don't give a sh*t about graphics speed, 3D etc.

Menneisyys said:
HTC , it seems, has an entirely different view of PDA's... they don't give a sh*t about graphics speed, 3D etc.
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Which is why all my future phones will be from companies other than HTC.

Blowfish64 said:
Which is why all my future phones will be from companies other than HTC.
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Youre very attached to the term 'phone'.Maybe you should get a nokia.

dizzy33 said:
The Kaiser is a so called "PDA PHONE" ... PDA first !
And a PDA of this price (one the most expensive) you can expect it to be able to play with the Playstation emulator at a decent speed.
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I can tell you that the kaiser is far from one of the most expensive "PDA Phones" available now. Especially at the abundant deals that can now be had. Something is only worth as much as you paid for it. You want expensive look to the Advantage X7501 or i-Mate Jasjar or soon to be released Ultimate 7150.
Not saying that's an excuse for its pathetic video capabilities tho, it has the juice it needs, just no support.

iphone emulator persay...?

Everywhere you look is special applications designed for the iphone. Well...I personally don't have one and I think I should be allowed the same privilege to use said applications.
So what I'm wondering is how do applications run on the iphone? Is it a special kernel?
And if so, would it be possible to incorporate a sort of emulator of the iphone on our mobiles to run these iphone specific applications?

Cat Eye said:
I personally don't have one and I think I should be allowed the same privilege to use said applications.
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WTF? As you said, they're iphone apps, that are made to run on the iphone... If you want to run them, buy one. Or find equivalents for WM.
The iphone is a completely different hardware and software platform than a PocketPC.

kilrah said:
WTF? As you said, they're iphone apps, that are made to run on the iphone... If you want to run them, buy one. Or find equivalents for WM.
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Whoa, cool your jets and get over this WM/iPhone rivalry.
Check this out CatEye: http://microsoftwow.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!28962096F48747EA!212.entry
I don't know anything about other than seeing the web page. Let us know if you have some luck.

Thanks for the responces. I've seen the whole launcher before but that's not what I'm refering to.
When you go to a site (meebo or Facebook) they have iphone specfic applications. What makes it so those work on the iphone plateform?
I tried to get one of these applications but it tries to take me to the apple store and I don't have itunes so it stops me there.

lol....WM is wayyyy better than the iPhone! (well in my opinion).
XD but i wish WM had multi touch! Can't wait till WM7 or 8 come out! (rumours say that they will have software enabled multitouch!) :O

Don't think it's gonna happen...
AFAIK, there is nothing that will allow you to run iphone programs on wm, and there is probably about a snowball's chance in hell of that ever happening. Iphone is definitely a different kernel, in fact, it is an entirely different operating system, and to make matters worse, it's closed source too. I would just try to find the equivalent applications for windows mobile. For some reason, despite the fact that there are much more users of wm, many websites are obsessed with being supported by the iphone. It's a sad reality, but unfortunately, this is how it is.
Dave

Cat Eye said:
When you go to a site (meebo or Facebook) they have iphone specfic applications. What makes it so those work on the iphone plateform?
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Programmers develop a specific version of their website, or stand-alone programs especially for the iphone in addition to the "normal" product. They could do the same for WM - but now the hype is about the iphone, so that's where developers are investing.
That's 100% marketing and fashion. Apple have managed to create such a hype over their iphone that it has simultaneously pushed developers to develop content specifically for it as they would be assured to reach a large audience with it, and people to get one so they could gain access to the said content and goodies - and it worked way too well. The Iphone is the current trend and everybody must make something for it to be "in the move", while people must have one to be in the move (most of the people I know who have bought iphones did it because it's the current "must-have" item, not because of it's capabilities, and they don't use them...)
WM has been around for more than a decade more or less "unnoticed", so there's not the same incentive for people to make stuff for it.
The Iphone triggered a huge workforce, so many people developing stuff for it in such a short time, that maybe in a few months there have been as many programs developed for it than for WM in the last 10 years... and the appstore gathers them all in one easy to search place as opposed of the large scatter of WM stuff everywhere... makes it so easy that it's attractive.
So in summary - it made such a hype that everybody in the general public is gathering around that thing and forgetting the rest.

kilrah said:
WTF? As you said, they're iphone apps, that are made to run on the iphone... If you want to run them, buy one. Or find equivalents for WM.
The iphone is a completely different hardware and software platform than a PocketPC.
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I second this motion!

What I'm aiming for is sort of a cross-platform. Like how Linux can be run with Windows now. Trying to knock down some of the propiatory software apple has been getting developed. If they can't keep thier software specific to the iphone, then what would be the reason to get one? Something that can play music and go online?
Just something to throw out there.

I think part of the problem is all you need is a mac and you can start coding an application, there's nothing else to buy. On the WM side, while you can download the SDK for free, you have to spend another chunk of money to buy visual studio, which sorry to say, does require a bit of knowledge to code with.
I have a mac, and had an iphone for a little while, and was able to design an application fairly easily.
If MS would create development tools easier to use and free/cheap, I think we would see more applications. The other tough part is, the windows mobile phones out there are more varied. Different form factors, keyboards, touch screens, resolutions, gps, and now accelerometers. At the moment there are 2 different iphones, but they run the same version, same resolution, same hardware buttons, the other differences are already exposed in the SDK so if you want to code and app that uses the 3G connection or GPS it's pretty easy to do so.
If any WM dev guys have some good ideas on free coding let's get going.

iphones run macosx like macs thats a gui on top of a bsd unix based kernel
iphone apps are written in objectC and use cocoa which is a bit like .net
any cpu can emulate any other if it have access to enough memory
mind you it will not be in realtime but much much slower
not to mention that it could take man years to develop the emulator
and prob give a lawsuit or 2 from apple

Rudegar said:
not to mention that it could take man years to develop the emulator
and prob give a lawsuit or 2 from apple
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Funny how Apple came out with Bootcamp within seconds of announcing they were switching to Intel processors , but let one person come up with an OSX emulator and the lawsuits fly.
P. S. The Kaiser is pushing two years old, it is still amazing to me that we are still having these " how do I make my Kaiser look and act like an iPhone. " discussions
P.P.S. What are you when you reach 10,000 posts ? A Super Senior Member ?
Given a Gold Watch and put out to pasture ?
I know , your wife serves you with divorce papers and names That #@$*ing phone as the reason.

Just though everyone whos been waiting on an emulator should see this

http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/21/video-gp2x-emulation-goes-down-on-t-mobile-g1/#continued
From what they said it's in pre-alpha, but from the video I'm having high hopes for it. Anyone know if there's a website for it?

MODS, please merge this thread with this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=517435

For some reason the mods decided to call that other thread a dupe. I believe these are two different developers. This app is an amazing port of the GP2X (from wiki) "open-source, Linux-based handheld video game console and media player created by GamePark Holdings of South Korea."
It has an active community supporting it because it's open, and it runs all the emulators you need. And because it's linux-based, it's not too difficult to make it work for android!

this app looks incredible,
now if only the g1 had better up down left right buttons...
can't wait for this one to drop though

eleazar6 said:
For some reason the mods decided to call that other thread a dupe. I believe these are two different developers. This app is an amazing port of the GP2X (from wiki) "open-source, Linux-based handheld video game console and media player created by GamePark Holdings of South Korea."
It has an active community supporting it because it's open, and it runs all the emulators you need. And because it's linux-based, it's not too difficult to make it work for android!
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I pm'd the mod that closed that thread, he was unaware that it was by a different group and was responding to the thread being reported. He said for me to let him know if I want the thread re-opened or to start my own thread, but I guess we should just keep the discussion here?

not just two developers but also two different emulators this one being extremely amazing. i cant wait for this to come out. i most def think this will be an even bigger reason to not give a damn that iphones have cooler looking games compared to the ones the G1 has to offer as of now.
only thing is that it being an emulator it cant become too mainstream without it becoming a copyright nightmare. so if it does come out as a licensed app all those companies, capcom, neogeo, nintendo ect..... will have to get a cut and its most likely not gonna be a free app.
but if i were the dev, im not sure if i would want everyone(the public aka people that only see ghey ass iphone commercials) to know that the G1 capable of handling badass games. or just kinda keep the emulator underground.

Resident Evil

someone should make it like on the iphone thats a great game and sims too!

super_ said:
someone should make it like on the iphone thats a great game and sims too!
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EA already announced they are developing the sims and other EA games for android.

tekkitan said:
EA already announced they are developing the sims and other EA games for android.
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the games are not open source therefore cant be "just made" for android.

CBowley said:
the games are not open source therefore cant be "just made" for android.
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Are you saying that EA is lying?

tekkitan said:
Are you saying that EA is lying?
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No, he's just stating that those games do still have rights that go to the original developers, so people can't just "legally" make a game for any console on their own free will that's ported over.
So EA can't just make ANY game, only ones they have rights to...AKA The Sims.
Him quoting you was probably a mistake and meant to be directed to the OP...or atleast that's what I gathered from it.

Lemonade727 said:
No, he's just stating that those games do still have rights that go to the original developers, so people can't just "legally" make a game for any console on their own free will that's ported over.
So EA can't just make ANY game, only ones they have rights to...AKA The Sims.
Him quoting you was probably a mistake and meant to be directed to the OP...or atleast that's what I gathered from it.
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Well he did say in his post that they are making "The Sims" and "other games". No one said anything about Resident Evil when stating EA's intentions. EA is likely more well versed in copyright laws than any of us here and know what needs to be done in order to develop and release a game. So if they are and if they do release it, its not for us to worry about copyrights.

Lemonade727 said:
No, he's just stating that those games do still have rights that go to the original developers, so people can't just "legally" make a game for any console on their own free will that's ported over.
So EA can't just make ANY game, only ones they have rights to...AKA The Sims.
Him quoting you was probably a mistake and meant to be directed to the OP...or atleast that's what I gathered from it.
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I realize that, that is why I said EA said it. I didn't say they were going to port every game they distribute to Android

tekkitan said:
I realize that, that is why I said EA said it. I didn't say they were going to port every game they distribute to Android
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I realize that, which is why I stated at the end that he probably meant to quote the OP instead of your reply. Either way I don't have high hopes for the games when they release, atleast ones targeted towards the G1. The G1 doesn't have enough internal memory for them to have users download and install larger 3d games (such as assassin's creed, etc. on the iphone). And I know they won't make games like that that are specifically targeted towards the rooted crowd as that's not too good of a market model for EA in terms of return profits.
Edit: If the way my response is interpreted makes me sound like an ass...then I apologize as I'm not trying to be.

Because of the lack of storage on the stock g1 and the lack of ram -- you won't get games as good on the Iphone. Better games will come out once better phones come and replace G1. The G1 lifecycle is 2 years, same as the mytouch. With the mytouch just coming out with similiar weak specs, it could be several years before there are games of better quality on android. However, different phones can have different Markets. You may end up with a better phone with a better market that includes its own games before the lifecycle ends for the current phones. The HTC Hero, The sony android, The Asus/Garmen, and the Archos Android all have a lot of potential. It will be a wait and see.

Did I buy the wrong phone after all?!?

When I originally chose the successor to my aging gSmart phone, I did a lot(!) of research on functionality, features and technological viability.
But somehow it never appeared to me to check out the viability of the underlying Operating System (WinMo) itself - given my early history with PalmOS and how Palm Inc. had just surrendered to Microzoft over nite, it never dawned on me that WinMo itself might one day share the same fate as the doomed Palm Operating System.
But now I stumbled across this Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile
Now did I just spend $800 on a phone (and am about to waste another $100 on renewing my non-transferable licenses) that won't have any Operating System Updates coming past 2010?!
In that article HTC is alleged to not just be the greatest supplier of WinMo phones, with 80% they're pretty much *it* - meaning no HTC no WinMo phone market no more.
Now what does HTC say about their commitment to the WinMo platform?
And if HTC decides not to release e.g. WM7 for the HD2, will the ROM cookers of XDA come to our aid and port for us (please) one of those leaked versions?
So many questions and so few answers

WM will still be developed. ROM updates will be released. WM7 will be released for the HD2 probably officially and for free. I really don't see the problem. Besides the HTC Sense hides WM so much that if there wasn't the start icon on the screen you wouldn't even notice it works on WM...

gregormax said:
WM will still be developed. ROM updates will be released. WM7 will be released for the HD2 probably officially and for free. I really don't see the problem. Besides the HTC Sense hides WM so much that if there wasn't the start icon on the screen you wouldn't even notice it works on WM...
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R u trying to be extra dense on purpose or are you just to inexperienced to realize what kind of a problem it is if the Operating System you're running is no longer being developed?
Ever spoken to an OS/2 user lately or watch the calisthenics of an Amiga user when trying to perform such mundane tasks like trying to run a GigaByte database application on his systm?
Ever watched an Atari user trying to download a 300MB file from the Internet?
Seen a Palm User playing Adobe Flash videos lately?
I could go on like this, but it is naive at best to have the attitude "because I don't see my Operating system during daily use, I don't have to worry about getting support for it..."

Microsoft have rested on their laurels for too long, and WM7 might be too far away to do any good. But don't worry, WM6.6 is just around the corner.... What is that gonna bring???
Android has come from nowhere, fueled by the Iphone?
WM is just cluncky right now, HTC can only cover over the little cracks of WM, but the big cracks still exist. One day soon, even HTC will say "Windows... ahhh Feck it!!!"
I've always poo-pooed Android because I would not want to leave the WM apps I have on my device. But those apps I have are apps that rectify WM shortcomings in the first place - shortcomings that don't appear on Android.
There are only two apps I can't live without and would keep me using WM a device, and they are My Sport Training and My Personal Diet. And in 2010 they are going to be ported over to Android. When I see them on Android, I will sit up....
I just think all the other operating systems are getting more polished, but WM is still a turd. And an old turd at that....
A final point that has just come to me.... People say that WM allows you to alter the settings and just tinker.... why? Because it is crap and you need to spend so much time getting it right? Because people here at forums like this can do better and produce software better than MS or HTC????
Am I ranting??? Am I coming to the end of WM?
Discuss...

pharao said:
R u trying to be extra dense on purpose or are you just to inexperienced to realize what kind of a problem it is if the Operating System you're running is no longer being developed?
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That's particularly offensive and you should apologise to gregormax immediately for that!
The "article" you linked suggest that it may be possible that windows mobile will no longer be developed. It's an analyst suggesting a possibility - it is not fact, or even likely.
You should read the whole thing again, but don't take it as gospel just because an analyst was "quoted" on a wiki page.

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R u trying to be extra dense on purpose or are you just to inexperienced to realize what kind of a problem it is if the Operating System you're running is no longer being developed?
Ever spoken to an OS/2 user lately or watch the calisthenics of an Amiga user when trying to perform such mundane tasks like trying to run a GigaByte database application on his systm?
Ever watched an Atari user trying to download a 300MB file from the Internet?
Seen a Palm User playing Adobe Flash videos lately?
I could go on like this, but it is naive at best to have the attitude "because I don't see my Operating system during daily use, I don't have to worry about getting support for it..."
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Good analogies... My Amiga 500 Plus had a 170mb hardrive. Huge!!!!! I only filled 40mb of it! lol... And I could run a country off that! And that was only 18 years ago... LOL

I don't see what the fuss is about. What more do you want it to do?
It sends emails, sms (some times ) & mms
Connects to the internet.
Has wifi
Can be used as a router
Takes photos & video
Plays videos
Has weather & stocks
Finger friendly (If you say its not you have chubby fingers and should start eating lettice)
Plays games
Theres loads more. So what if WM7 doesn't come out on this it's a great phone as it is (apart from sms issue)

What more do I want it to do? I can think of a lot I would like my handheld to do in the future. I want it to show actual video of the road I'm driving down with a big orange stripe telling me where to go. That's the navigation of the future. I want it to stream HD video flawlessly, from every possible source. I want it to play music and have a DAC and preamp as good as a high end car/home stereo. I want it to call the police when it gets stolen and tell them where it is. I want to be able to think of words and have them appear on the screen, same with opening applications. I want it to be incredibly easy to use and predict what I'm going to do before I do it. I want it to tell me that my favorite Cheesesteak restaurant is going out of business in a week so I better swing by for a last sandwich before it's too late. I want it to clock me in at work when I walk in the door and send a message to them when it determines I won't make it on time.
I don't hate WM and Sense 2.5 right now at all, my phone does more than anybody else's around me but there is no way I would be happy with it a decade from now. I bet if you look back at a phone you were totally happy with ten years ago that you wouldn't want it in your pocket today.
Microsoft hasn't lost yet but they need to get to work and they need to do it fast, that is if they want to compete. Maybe they don't care about mobile any more. That's OK too, other companies do and will care.

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What more do I want it to do? I can think of a lot I would like my handheld to do in the future. I want it to show actual video of the road I'm driving down with a big orange stripe telling me where to go. That's the navigation of the future. I want it to stream HD video flawlessly, from every possible source. I want it to play music and have a DAC and preamp as good as a high end car/home stereo. I want it to call the police when it gets stolen and tell them where it is. I want to be able to think of words and have them appear on the screen, same with opening applications. I want it to be incredibly easy to use and predict what I'm going to do before I do it. I want it to tell me that my favorite Cheesesteak restaurant is going out of business in a week so I better swing by for a last sandwich before it's too late. I want it to clock me in at work when I walk in the door and send a message to them when it determines I won't make it on time.
I don't hate WM and Sense 2.5 right now at all, my phone does more than anybody else's around me but there is no way I would be happy with it a decade from now. I bet if you look back at a phone you were totally happy with ten years ago that you wouldn't want it in your pocket today.
Microsoft hasn't lost yet but they need to get to work and they need to do it fast, that is if they want to compete. Maybe they don't care about mobile any more. That's OK too, other companies do and will care.
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u forgot making coffee...

pharao said:
R u trying to be extra dense on purpose or are you just to inexperienced to realize what kind of a problem it is if the Operating System you're running is no longer being developed?
Ever spoken to an OS/2 user lately or watch the calisthenics of an Amiga user when trying to perform such mundane tasks like trying to run a GigaByte database application on his systm?
Ever watched an Atari user trying to download a 300MB file from the Internet?
Seen a Palm User playing Adobe Flash videos lately?
I could go on like this, but it is naive at best to have the attitude "because I don't see my Operating system during daily use, I don't have to worry about getting support for it..."
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First of all you get support and new updates from HTC. A new version of WM? OK, what for? You write about Atari, Palm, etc. but this just shows you don't know what you're talking about. What great feature do you see for phones coming before WM7 is released (this year)? Because right now with the 6.5 you can do EVERYTHING the competition offers and even more (compare the HD2 to the iPhone for instance). Your arguments about Amiga and Atari are quite... let's say childish. The last popular Amiga was released more than 15 years ago so what do you want to prove with that. The problem here is not the software but the hardware. In 3 years the HD2 won't be probably even decent compared to newer devices and system updates won't help. Do you think that with a new Amiga OS (i.e. Workbench) you would now be able to open 1GB files on an Amiga 1200 with 2MB of RAM? Wish you luck .
In matter of OS I really don't see any update which would be a must before WM7 is released and as we all know WM7 will be probably available for the HD2 for free. So if you see some indispensable updates for WM6.5 be my guest - I really wonder what it could be. Besides it's really smart to rely on Wikipedia for official news... afaik WM is still in development and WM6.6 will be released soon - just as I wrote in the first post - quote: "WM will still be developed". The problem is that for no apparent reason you think WM won't be developed anymore and that's a quite naive statement.

johncmolyneux said:
That's particularly offensive and you should apologise to gregormax immediately for that!
The "article" you linked suggest that it may be possible that windows mobile will no longer be developed. It's an analyst suggesting a possibility - it is not fact, or even likely.
You should read the whole thing again, but don't take it as gospel just because an analyst was "quoted" on a wiki page.
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Why is it offensive if I ask someone who in essence says "If I don't see my OpSys then I don't have to worry about it not being supported any more" if he tries to be dense on purpose?
That is not offensive at all, and I will most certainly not apologize for making a valid point here.
Quite to the contrary I think that gregormax should think about how qualified his remarks were, which most certainly did not address the issue of my posting at all - but just tried to belittle it all.
And I did read the whole darn article, including the part where every(!) industry analyst agreed that 2010 is the out time for Windows Mobile and WinMo7 the last major release of it.
And I have seen this cycle happening before.
As soon as the OpSys manufacturer pulls the plug on their platform, all the major SW developers will stop developing for it - and in most cases will also stop supporting their apps.
Regardless of how much money users just paid for their software.
So I do think that this is a valid point of concern for anyone spending close to a thousand dollars on their HTC device.

Towserspvm2000 said:
Good analogies... My Amiga 500 Plus had a 170mb hardrive. Huge!!!!! I only filled 40mb of it! lol... And I could run a country off that! And that was only 18 years ago... LOL
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Do you realize that there are still Amiga computers sold even today?
They have two companies in Italy still marketing that platform.
Their designs look quite impressive, until you get to the actual technical details.
And then you realize how hopelessly outdated the whole darn thing is.
And "running a whole country of 170mb"?
I doubt that very much. Even back in the days, it took more than that just to manage a single city. That is what IBM mainframes were made for.

All is said but here my 5 cent.
A company like MS does have the claim to be present in all possible software markets regardless of the fact wheter with or without success. They will never drop it even if they lose money because to them its an image thingy....
I'm also pretty sure that Microsoft will bring at some point their own smartphone which is currently nothing else but a rumour but gonna come true once and that will be running on such an OS developed by MS as well.
Cheers
LEE

Towserspvm2000 said:
Microsoft have rested on their laurels for too long, and WM7 might be too far away to do any good. But don't worry, WM6.6 is just around the corner.... What is that gonna bring???
Android has come from nowhere, fueled by the Iphone?
WM is just cluncky right now, HTC can only cover over the little cracks of WM, but the big cracks still exist. One day soon, even HTC will say "Windows... ahhh Feck it!!!"
I've always poo-pooed Android because I would not want to leave the WM apps I have on my device. But those apps I have are apps that rectify WM shortcomings in the first place - shortcomings that don't appear on Android.
There are only two apps I can't live without and would keep me using WM a device, and they are My Sport Training and My Personal Diet. And in 2010 they are going to be ported over to Android. When I see them on Android, I will sit up....
I just think all the other operating systems are getting more polished, but WM is still a turd. And an old turd at that....
A final point that has just come to me.... People say that WM allows you to alter the settings and just tinker.... why? Because it is crap and you need to spend so much time getting it right? Because people here at forums like this can do better and produce software better than MS or HTC????
Am I ranting??? Am I coming to the end of WM?
Discuss...
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Well, I would have most certainly accused you of "ranting" myself, until I read what all those Industry Analysts and the major phone suppliers said about their (lacking) support for WinMo - that and the ever Shrinking Market Share of WM.
Now I feel I just wasted another thousand dollars (phone + SW licenses) on a freaking Dinosaur.
A device outdated by its Operating System before it even hit the shelves

lee1980 said:
All is said but here my 5 cent.
A company like MS does have the claim to be present in all possible software markets regardless of the fact wheter with or without success. They will never drop it even if they lose money because to them its an image thingy....
...
Cheers
LEE
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They used to say the same About Apple and the Newton, until Apple dropped that platform over night.
Same with IBM and OS/2.
I just don't see how they can survive their ever shrinking market share and I never knew that 80% of all WinMo phones are made by one single company - HTC.

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What more do I want it to do? I can think of a lot I would like my handheld to do in the future. I want it to show actual video of the road I'm driving down with a big orange stripe telling me where to go. That's the navigation of the future. I want it to stream HD video flawlessly, from every possible source. I want it to play music and have a DAC and preamp as good as a high end car/home stereo. I want it to call the police when it gets stolen and tell them where it is. I want to be able to think of words and have them appear on the screen, same with opening applications. I want it to be incredibly easy to use and predict what I'm going to do before I do it. I want it to tell me that my favorite Cheesesteak restaurant is going out of business in a week so I better swing by for a last sandwich before it's too late. I want it to clock me in at work when I walk in the door and send a message to them when it determines I won't make it on time.
I don't hate WM and Sense 2.5 right now at all, my phone does more than anybody else's around me but there is no way I would be happy with it a decade from now. I bet if you look back at a phone you were totally happy with ten years ago that you wouldn't want it in your pocket today.
Microsoft hasn't lost yet but they need to get to work and they need to do it fast, that is if they want to compete. Maybe they don't care about mobile any more. That's OK too, other companies do and will care.
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I don't care about Sandwiches or what happens a decade from now.
But that my old TomTom App & Maps no longer work on the HTC HD2 and that it is now highly unlikely that TomTom will ever offer support for that platform, yes that does concern me a lot.
The same goes for my multiple talking language dictionaries I own, as I do travel excessively.
If they are not ported over, I just wasted close to $200 for language packs I can't even use as weights (should have bought the paper version instead ;-(
There are many, many such applications that I used to run on my old gSmart phone, and was waiting to be ported to the WVGA HD2 platform.
But after reading that article I highly, highly doubt that many SW vendors will be in a hurry to invest development capacity for a dieing platform.

pharao said:
They used to say the same About Apple and the Newton, until Apple dropped that platform over night.
Same with IBM and OS/2.
I just don't see how they can survive their ever shrinking market share and I never knew that 80% of all WinMo phones are made by one single company - HTC.
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well but those examples are a bit different. OS/2 was dropped because microsoft finished the coop. with IBM (simply a strategic decision for focusing on windows) and the newton because of the not given market acceptance. None of the because of the big competition on the market like now....
Maybe they should corner the HTC ;-)

You are so wrong my friend. I have an ex colleague that works for Route 66. They received all the Android prototypes and WM phones to get software developed on them. Android will get navigation software and my guess is that the HD2 will also get navigation software for the new wm7. He can't tell me more, because of the confidentiality.
I really think you are exaggerating and the lack of inside info, or any kind of confirmation, strong rumor, or whatever is making you think this way.
Just give it a couple of months until we see wm7 and we get an official confirmation for the hd2.

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Why is it offensive if I ask someone who in essence says "If I don't see my OpSys then I don't have to worry about it not being supported any more" if he tries to be dense on purpose?
That is not offensive at all, and I will most certainly not apologize for making a valid point here.
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I told you to apologise because this is supposed to be a mature and helpful forum, and not filled with people who immediately start name-calling as soon as there is a person who disagrees with their point of view. People who resort to that are singularly responsible for the only bad aspect of this whole forum.
R u trying to be extra dense on purpose or are you just to inexperienced
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You WERE offensive and you SHOULD apologise. If you had any level of maturity you would at least accept that name-calling is pretty pathetic and pointless.

lorin.bute said:
You are so wrong my friend. I have an ex colleague that works for Route 66. They received all the Android prototypes and WM phones to get software developed on them. Android will get navigation software and my guess is that the HD2 will also get navigation software for the new wm7. He can't tell me more, because of the confidentiality.
I really think you are exaggerating and the lack of inside info, or any kind of confirmation, strong rumor, or whatever is making you think this way.
Just give it a couple of months until we see wm7 and we get an official confirmation for the hd2.
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When I spoke with TomTom about support for the HD2 they told me flat out "no support and none planned".
And I need turn by turn mapping software that includes places like Eastern Europe, Africa and South America.
Not just maps for downtown London or Los Angeles.
And there are not so many GPS capable map application providers out there who "cover the whole globe".
The WinMo support by companies like TomTom was the reason why I bought my first WinMo phone to begin with, as I had originally set my mind on a Linux phone.
If HTC can not secure that kind of support for the HD2, then I made a serious misjudgment in spending that much money for this device :-(