Vibration Feedback - Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General

TO DEVELOPERS:
Do anyone think to develop a vibrating feedback system on touch, such as samsung omnia or other samsung touch screen? it should bee useful for sms and call sending...

I agree!! Would be really usefull!

i agree as well it isnt very difficult as someone did do it on my n95

Yeah would be really great!!

I like this idea but I imagine it would be a battery drain.
You would be better off sticking with sound until a more bulletproof batter is invented.

bullet proof batter - now thats gonna be a tough pancake

in polaris thread there was a program called VOA.exe this program makes it possible when u press akey or button or letter the phone vibrates and also its simple to use !! u can download it from here:
http://mahmood1.com/Documents/vibrate.rar
afer downloading unrar and put it in anywhere and make a shortcut in windows/startup folder and restart device or start the VOA.exe. if u don't like just delete the link in startup folder and thats it !! its only 2 KB !!

Has anybody tested this software for Diamond?
I will try and give feedback....
Gerry

HTC said they tried this (haptic feedback) and it sucked, so I don't think we need to doubt them.

it work on my diamond , vibration is strong too

It works, but I really don't like it, I found it too strong

Yeah it works, but maybe the application needs to be re-programmed a bit.
Are there any programmers that could do this? Options like:
- simple but usable interface
- Duration settings
- Strongness settings
- Choose which application must have vibration feedback
would be nice.

damn that's just plain awful to have running. Thank god that HTC decided not to include that on the Diamond.
(PS: the implementation on Omnia is way better than this one though, but still annoying).

Mahmood said:
in polaris thread there was a program called VOA.exe this program makes it possible when u press akey or button or letter the phone vibrates and also its simple to use !! u can download it from here:
http://mahmood1.com/Documents/vibrate.rar
afer downloading unrar and put it in anywhere and make a shortcut in windows/startup folder and restart device or start the VOA.exe. if u don't like just delete the link in startup folder and thats it !! its only 2 KB !!
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it was not a bad program, at least the author got the right direction. It only needs some polish:
Instead of hooking onto the screen touch event, the vibration should be active by "focus" and "unfocus" events. Anyone one has played Wii will know, when the onscreen pointer focus to a new target(button) the little internal motor vibrate a tiny bit, just enough to let the user to know "yes, you hit the right spot"

mayby it's just a matter of tweaking... just try the Teeter -game, theres quite good feedback from the ball.

ArtoD2 said:
mayby it's just a matter of tweaking... just try the Teeter -game, theres quite good feedback from the ball.
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yes, u are right.

ArtoD2 said:
mayby it's just a matter of tweaking... just try the Teeter -game, theres quite good feedback from the ball.
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I had try it.... feeling is good....
but how is the tweaking to be done???
any idea???

I think some of you guys started bashing this program too soon... sure, the vibration feedback in this case is annoying and sure enough puts quite a load on the battery because of the long vibration.
But, on the other hand, I used to have a "force feedback" mouse years ago, it had a small vibration motor just like our phones do, and it was AMAZING - you could FEEL window boundaries, buttons, even textures! If it was possible to make the Diamond vibrate just a tiny little bit, similar to what Teeter does, it could give a feedback close to how it feels to press a button.
Think about Teeter, you could imagine there's a tiny hard rubber ball inside the device with your eyes closed.
If there was a configurable, fast, memory-efficient vibration feedback I would pay money for it. The key issue is responsiveness, the vibration HAS TO occur immediately when the keypress or screen tap is registered, otherwise this haptic feedback feels way more sluggish than a visual feedback that comes a tenth of a second too late.
Please, programmers, do something, I lack time, experience and Visual Studio to do it myself.

I think some of you guys started bashing this program too soon... sure, the vibration feedback in this case is annoying and sure enough puts quite a load on the battery because of the long vibration.
But, on the other hand, I used to have a "force feedback" mouse years ago, it had a small vibration motor just like our phones do, and it was AMAZING - you could FEEL window boundaries, buttons, even textures! If it was possible to make the Diamond vibrate just a tiny little bit, similar to what Teeter does, it could give a feedback close to how it feels to press a button.
Think about Teeter, you could imagine there's a tiny hard rubber ball inside the device with your eyes closed.
If there was a configurable, fast, memory-efficient vibration feedback I would pay money for it. The key issue is responsiveness, the vibration HAS TO occur immediately when the keypress or screen tap is registered, otherwise this haptic feedback feels way more sluggish than a visual feedback that comes a tenth of a second too late.
Please, programmers, do something, I lack time, experience and Visual Studio to do it myself.

Only hooking the keys is possible on Windows Mobile.
So it is not possible to hook the mouse (touch on the touchscreen)...

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New Pointui Home 1.02b released with native support for smartphones

Can somebody test it on s730? Share your exprerience! Seems to me that it could bring more free RAM, more battery life, speedy reaction
Many new features, f.e.:
* smartphones support
* new black skin
* battery saving
* bluetooth switching on/off during call (also battery saving)
* speed increasing
http://pointui.com
Works well..sometimes a little bit slowly.
I'd locked my S730 by this tool.
Can anyone tell me how to unlock this?
New Features:
Lock screen can now be used on smartphones - you press up then down on dpad.
Yea, I have been using this SW for some hours and i love it!
Has some minor bugs. I cannot keylock the unit as ususal.
Then the home program shuts down. So I have to use the keylock that is built inn to this SW..
But now that I am used to this, it is actually better that the standard.
It also bugs up some times when using Comm Manager, I have not yet figured out when exactly this problem accures,
but Home then sometimes shuts down, and I have to restart the program..
But other than that its perfect. Fast, smooth fading menues, and looks great!
Alcaline said:
Yea, I have been using this SW for some hours and i love it!
Has some minor bugs. I cannot keylock the unit as ususal.
Then the home program shuts down. So I have to use the keylock that is built inn to this SW..
But now that I am used to this, it is actually better that the standard.
But other than that its perfect. Fast, smooth fading menues, and looks great!
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Thanks for your opinion, this SW little bit change the behavior of the HW, but according the programmer´s goal. The previous member contribution is typical, people does not like to read the manuals, sometimes problem is not problem it is a purpose how to use the HW effectively and users are lazy to read the changelogs .
rooomish said:
Thanks for your opinion, this SW little bit change the behavior of the HW, but according the programmer´s goal. The previous member contribution is typical, people does not like to read the manuals, sometimes problem is not problem it is a purpose how to use the HW effectively and users are lazy to read the changelogs .
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I know what you mean
A little "Tip" if anyone wants to try this program on the S730.
I had to change the HTC Home settings "Time Out" to Never. Or else the it would go back to the original HTC Home after
10 minutes. (Depending on the settings)
Looks nice but too limited for my liking just yet.
Like, I want to be able to see the time AND appointments on the home screen, without having to scroll.
It should have more user-definable input, without having to get out a registry editor. It also needs some work to make it suitable for smartphones, like being able to add stuff to the icon bar on the home screen. Also, the application bar only shows icons in the Start Menu/Programs folder by default. I couldn't see any options to change it, or even a button to move back up the directory tree to where my icons actually are.
A working uninstall procedure would be good too!!
I agree with the mad ferret.
the customization is missing. for example where is the option to create a "favorite apps list"?
i really like its fast responsiveness!!! i wish windows mobile could develop something like that as native windows mobile software. so smooth and with such neat design. why cant they? are they ****ing retarded? instead we get slow menues and ugly lists like on phones of 1998. cant windows work with people wh o can create such amazing software and integrate it natively? cant they develop something like this themselfes? WTF
anyway, pointui is a very amazing piece of software. however, whenever i press "running programs" it freezes.... the update function doesnt work.
i prefer smarttoolkit!!
http://smarttoolkit.softonic.de/windowsmobile
Everything that's supposed to work with PointUI, works for me on my HTC S710/Vox. I do hope for more features and I am sure the developers are hard at work, but what it is now - it can only get better since it's amazing. I hope for it to run at system level, apart from that it's superb so far!
I've been using it for about a week now. I love the clean look, but I'm having one major issue. My number keys and my green key do nothing so I can't call any number that is not in my contacts without going back to the WM Home screen.
Anyone else have this problem? Or better yet, know how I can fix it?
But, yeah other than that I really like pointui. Hopefully the next release comes soon.

Vibrating feedback on screen taps

Hi to the community, and great thanks to all the developers that help us polish our raw diamonds and make them shine ;-)
I love the phone, really the first usable device without keyboard that relies on dialling via virtual keyboard. Still have the Samsung Armani thing here waiting to go on Ebay...
What I would wish for (and couldn't find anywhere in a couple days of searching the web for it) is a tool that makes the device vibrate when you tap the screen, especially in number/letter entry situations, so that you have a tactile feedback on whether it has registered a keypress.
I would also love to be able to use the g sensor to flip the TouchFlo3D left and right...
If anybody else would like these two things added to the device, or if anyone knows if they already exist, please let me know.
take care
abel
Bump.
Anyone knows how to get vibrate feedback?
Greetings.
I'd like to see this actually, not for every screentap though just for using soft keyboard, it'd be nice to have a bit of feedback (it'd have to be near instant though for it to not annoy).
If only I knew how to go about writing a Windows Mobile app =']
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=412491
allready under discussion...

Diamond novice needs your help... PLS!!!

After having a Touch a few months back, i thought the Diamond would be a breeze. NO such luck in my experience.
For example. On the main home screen. How do you edit that so it's just the clock or, to add more to the list that currently shows calendar and call history? I can't find any way to do this so if you can enlighten me, i'd really appreciate it.
What about when texting? Is there any way to make the keypad a different size? Personally i can't find a way to edit that. It's annoying that after adding your contacts name, you seemingly have 90% of the screen filled with the entry system and you have to mess about to get to the message section of the screen. Guessing i've missed something somewhere!
Zooming in on a photo... how is that done? Orange's CD ROM User Manual is vague to say the least so if you can assist here to, please do.
This thread could become a handy hints and tips chart for beginners if all feedback is good so if you have a question or some simple advice for settings and the way to go around things, chuck a note in and someone will be very happy to see the reply
1) Well if u flick ur finger in an upward motion on the home screen u'll notice the clock becoming smaller and will list all the list all ur appointments from ur calendar...
2) If u are not satisfied in the HTC Keyboard, u will need to look into other keyboards my fav personally is Touchpal from Cootek and there is even resco keyboard which is pretty gud.
3) You can only zoom in a picture when u r in the HTC Album, in order to zoom you will need to rotate your finger clockwise or anti-clockwise i am always forget which is for zooming so u will need chk tht out...
I hope these tips helps u out....
whitefalcon said:
1) Well if u flick ur finger in an upward motion on the home screen u'll notice the clock becoming smaller and will list all the list all ur appointments from ur calendar...
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not all the appointments....
KukurikU said:
not all the appointments....
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Hmmmmmm, i see. Shame that somehow we can't take the good things from the Touch like the Home screen as standard and have them in the 3D instead. If any cab compilers are reading this, maybe it's something that could be done?
Along those lines, maybe someone could rip out the original texting keyboard, the smaller more compact one... better for stylus use and enables you to see more screen. I HATE the big finger pad they've put on the Diamond. Is is really necessary to have it that big? Surely if you're going to use the stylus (i mean if HTC didn't want us to use one, then ALL the functions and menus would be larger, yes?), then why provide us with one in the first place?!?!!
TheShowStopper said:
Hmmmmmm, i see. Shame that somehow we can't take the good things from the Touch like the Home screen as standard and have them in the 3D instead. If any cab compilers are reading this, maybe it's something that could be done?
Along those lines, maybe someone could rip out the original texting keyboard, the smaller more compact one... better for stylus use and enables you to see more screen. I HATE the big finger pad they've put on the Diamond. Is is really necessary to have it that big? Surely if you're going to use the stylus (i mean if HTC didn't want us to use one, then ALL the functions and menus would be larger, yes?), then why provide us with one in the first place?!?!!
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There are multiple SIPs already built into the Diamond. Holding your finger or stylus on the small arrow next to the keypad button when input is allowed will display the menu, from there you can select the Windows SIP which is tiny and stylus friendly...
Reading the manual is a good idea before posting dude. Or even a search
dickenz said:
There are multiple SIPs already built into the Diamond. Holding your finger or stylus on the small arrow next to the keypad button when input is allowed will display the menu, from there you can select the Windows SIP which is tiny and stylus friendly...
Reading the manual is a good idea before posting dude. Or even a search
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Well thanks for that reply. I'll have a mess about with that one.
That took no time at all. NO WINDOWS SIP on my handset. All i have are the following... BLOCK, COMPACT, FULL, KEYBOARD, LETTER, PHONEPAD and TRANSCRIBER *sigh*
What bloody version have you got?!?!!
Oh and for the record Mr Read-The-Text-Provided (lol)... did i not say this? ---> Orange's CD ROM User Manual is vague to say the least so if you can assist here to, please do.
Hmmmmm, i think i did!
Ok... answer this one then. Every other HTC phone i have had has done this but not on the Diamond. When you receive a simple thing like an mms or a text, the screen lights to give a clue in case you never heard the message laert. How you you activate THAT cus i'm not seeing how it'ds done anywhere.
Clues please?
I agree - the 'manual/instructions' Orange sent were non-existent and as a first time PPC user I was totally lost until I had a nosey around here and to be fair am still learning all what this phone can do!
TheShowStopper said:
Well thanks for that reply. I'll have a mess about with that one.
Ok... answer this one then. Every other HTC phone i have had has done this but not on the Diamond. When you receive a simple thing like an mms or a text, the screen lights to give a clue in case you never heard the message laert. How you you activate THAT cus i'm not seeing how it'ds done anywhere.
Clues please?
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Install Diamond Tweak, which is available here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409540
and that gives you the option to enable this feature. (along with tons of other tweaks to!)
Hope this helps!
AGxM said:
I agree - the 'manual/instructions' Orange sent were non-existent and as a first time PPC user I was totally lost until I had a nosey around here and to be fair am still learning all what this phone can do!
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Oh i can answer what it can do for you in one simple phrase mate. It can screw ya head up!
HTC want a good kicking if you ask me. The thing as I see it is this. If they'd have kept the basics as it was on the Kaiser (Tytn II) and THEN added the 3D, all would have been superb.
As for Orange... well, nuff said
tomchap said:
Install Diamond Tweak, which is available here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409540
and that gives you the option to enable this feature. (along with tons of other tweaks to!)
Hope this helps!
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Cheers for the help there dude. One slight problem that springs to mind.
The 'light handset upon a text arriving' comment i made... what the HELL would that tweak come under?!?!! lol
TheShowStopper said:
Cheers for the help there dude. One slight problem that springs to mind.
The 'light handset upon a text arriving' comment i made... what the HELL would that tweak come under?!?!! lol
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It comes under 'Wake on New Sms'
A wee bit of advice, there are loads of people on here who will always be glad to help, but the tone of your posts is not one which will make folk jump to help you
bonsaiboyz said:
It comes under 'Wake on New Sms'
A wee bit of advice, there are loads of people on here who will always be glad to help, but the tone of your posts is not one which will make folk jump to help you
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Thanks for that chap. My tone? Oh well if i've offended anyone then i apologise. I'm just a bit jumpy when things don't go according to plan and my comments come over as slightly abrasive when in fact, they're supposed to come over as a normal question but in a jokey type manner. I get that in a face to face sitation to so i know exactly what you're saying.
Again, thanks for the reply though. Much appreciated

TouchResponse .02 - Vibrate on touch

Hey everyone, I found a very cool CAB, it makes your phone
vibrate on touch like in LG phones.
After install I set "Vibration Duration" on 30 ms in TouchResponse Settings.
It's for me just perfect but you can change it like you feel it better for you
Have fun with it!
If there is a newer version I will update my post
http://rapidshare.com/files/167731588/TouchResponse_v02.CAB
just link it to this topic please give the man his credits and the people who install this maybe want to know who made this and maybe ask questions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450256
Ups sorry I didn't see this thread
Someone please close this thread
you don't have to close it i think maybe some users here dont go there often! so it's pretty handy to have this topic here that shows the TP users that there are programs like this
Very Cool THANKS!
installed yesterday, saw on its original topic
very very good
any way to make it work just when the soft keyboard is up?
thanks!
delete please!
i already have a cab for when the dialer is up so i have to figure someone can make it work just with keyboard
Does anyone know how this affects battery life? I would imagine that running the vibration motor every time you touch the screen would tend to decrease the battery life a good amount
djcaston said:
Does anyone know how this affects battery life? I would imagine that running the vibration motor every time you touch the screen would tend to decrease the battery life a good amount
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i can answer real short too.
used for about two hours and i had about 42% battery left.
kidnamedAlbert said:
i can answer real short too.
used for about two hours and i had about 42% battery left.
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What would your batt life be normally after 2hr doing the same thing WITHOUT the vibrate enabled?
Cool app, thanks for the creator and yaqxsw for posting here!
lbhocky19 said:
any way to make it work just when the soft keyboard is up?
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spb keyboard has an option to make it vibrate when you press the keys. Plus, its ALOT more accurate than the default keyboard. You also have the option of the vibration occurring before the key press or after
Try it out!
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/keyboard/?en
Nice App!
Using it on my Touch HD and it works wel.
Is there any way (or are there any plans) to invoke vibration on only selected applications (eg. phone dialer) or only when the on-screen keyboard is being used? I know there is a similar application that vibrates exclusively w/ the phone dialer.

$ 100 Reward for Vibration Application for Hardware Keyboard

Hardware Keyboard - $ 100 Reward
100 USD PRIZE MONEY
Dear All,
I love my X1. The only thing I am not happy with is the (lack of) tactile feedback on the Hardware Keyboard of the X1. As there is little to no 'feel' to when you press the hardware keys.
There is an application out there from Snailslug which produces a small vibration whenever the touchscreen keyboard is pressed... see the following link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450256
Now I am looking for the same thing with the HW keyboard. If anyone out there is up to creating an application (with a very small footprint) that produces a small vibration (around 25ms) after each key on the hardware keyboard is pressed, I will give that person 100 USD as a big thank you. To make it fair, here are the rules:
- Deadline: 31st of August (not that someone comes two years later and wants a prize for an application I dont need anymore
- First application that does not slow down my X1 and provides the requested result will be rewarded
Thanks and all the best,
why did you open a new thread? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544306
He want to pay a total reward of $200... I guess...
Or not?
the reward is $100. this thread was created as the last title wasn't 'clear enough' as to what the subject is about. good luck with the application. 100 bucks are waiting
go to advanced edit and change the title of the thread if thats all u wanted to change btw
Next time I know ;-)
............
Was anyone able to come up with an application? Shouldnt be that difficult for those that are able to programm
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425063
Maybe this will work...
If so, I want my 100 USD!
casklaverstijn said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425063
Maybe this will work...
If so, I want my 100 USD!
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That's different. He wants feedback for when the hardware keyboard is pressed, not the screen.
Features:
- Vibrate always on touch events (mouse down, or mouse up)
- Vibrate only if SIP is active
- Vibrate on Key press (hardware keys)
- Adjustable vibration (duration in ms)
- configuration over command line parameters
- fully event based, so only battery consumption while vibrating
- No runtimes needed (pure C++ application)
- Works with WM 5+ (not 2003)
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I think this will do it, but i think the dev has stopt al long time ago. But it has the features WDM wants.
Oh..the 100USD is for the Developer...lol
this should be entirely possible and maybe even easy to do, IMO
matthewpapa said:
this should be entirely possible and maybe even easy to do, IMO
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so expect an app from you then?
Actually I'm not sure this is that easy to do at all.
I thought ok I'll take a look so created a new device application in visual studio, getting the device to vibrate is easy, this is well documented.
Trapping key events when you have a form / control with focus is also easy. The problem comes when you want to trap key events without having a form or focus.
I've read several posts online pointing to coredll.dll, but nothing definitive.
Lol you need a hook. Sure this exists on WinMo just like on desktop Win.
Great comments guys. Looks like there are at least a few willing to put some thought and effort in this. any chance of one of you coming up with the application anytime soon?
Firefall! said:
Lol you need a hook. Sure this exists on WinMo just like on desktop Win.
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I know I need a hook, which hook, which dll, documented where, that being my point.
I'll have another look at this tonight.
richard.ian.brown said:
I know I need a hook, which hook, which dll, documented where, that being my point.
I'll have another look at this tonight.
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You never stated so. There is not much to such a hook actually I would create the app myself if I had the means. That's about 5 lines of code, just make the device shake and pass the key on. The only trouble you will run into is that the keys seem to be hooked already, so you have to make sure you don't mess with that and prioritize your function.
Thanks Firewall. Is there anyone out there that would be able to write a few lines of code. It appears to be simple enough, if you can programm (which I cannot) which is why i am asking the pros here ;-)

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