I know that I'm not the only one reporting this, but I'm the first one to provide pictures and video that prove that the problem is not so small as some might think.
It seems HTC started to use lower quality LCD screens with some (maybe all) of the newer Diamond units. These screens have a yellowish tint, and seem to have lower contrast.
Here is the proof (it's a comparison with my old Kaiser):
(both devices are at maximum backlight, and the Diamond's "auto backlight" option is off)
Pictures:
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=10590_Picture_003_122_764lo.jpg
http://img24.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=10597_Picture_005_122_672lo.jpg
The difference seen in the picture is a bit exaggarated in comparison to what I see in real life (even though I did not touch the picture with any editing software, this is right from the camera), so I've included a video too, which more accurately portray the differences:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cVGORLm-Qc
(in real life the difference is just a bit more pronounced than in this video)
It is important to notice that without a direct comparison to a unit like the Kaiser (or the first batch of Diamonds), it might be hard to know that your Diamond has this phenomena, because even with this phenomena the screen look decent.
My fear is that both types of LCD screens are going to sell with new Diamond units from now on, making those who bought the yellowish screen unable to ever sell the unit for a decent amount of money (when they feel like upgrading).
We need a formal answer from HTC regarding this issue.
The pictures do look weird, but looking at the video, one could also say the Kaiser has a blue tint.
Just compared the Diamond with my Kaiser side by side: the Diamond colors do look a bit warmer (more toward amber/red) then the Kaiser (more toward blue). Don´t see a problem, though......have not analyzed a screenshot with Photoshop yet, may try one day....
Michi,
If *all* the Diamond units had this "lower color temprature" behaviour, I wouldn't have said anything, since as I said the screen does look decent even with the tint and possible reduced contrast.
The thing is that if some Diamonds are toward the blue with more contrast, and some are toward the yellow with less contrast, then those of us who bought the latter are fu*ked if we ever want to sell it.
I still have an option to return the diamond to the seller. If I knew that from now on all Diamonds are going to be yellowish like this I would have kept it, but I don't know... it could be that HTC will notice that customers don't accept this new screen, and stop using it.
I read in another thread, can't find it again right now, that some are made in China with crap screens and some are made in Taiwan with better screens, I can't confirm this but someone in the thread said that those with serial numbers beginning HT are the Taiwan models, maybe you could check yours and tell us where it was made.
I read in another thread, can't find it again right now, that some are made in China with crap screens and some are made in Taiwan with better screens, I can't confirm this but someone in the thread said that those with serial numbers beginning HT are the Taiwan models, maybe you could check yours and tell us where it was made.
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Sure, at the back of my Diamond it is written:
"DIAM100 FCC ID:NM8DMS Made In Taiwan"
I just sent back my Diamond to store because there was a yellow line with the width of 5mm and with a bonus... when I touched the left side of touchscreen it waved like you throw the rock to water
I prefer the warmer looks, it makes photos and pictures look more natural and also makes video look much more vibrant and richer with colour.
Here are two Diamonds I have on me right now. Notice the color washout on one of it. Both are having the same ROM and brightness settings.
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Here are to Diamonds I have on me right now. Notice the color washout on one of it. Both same ROM and brightness settings.
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I remember whilst ith 02 and the xda2i i went through three units (insurance) and no joke every new device I got back had a different tint to the LCD... different factories new LCD suppliers god knows...
i face the same issue as well. my wife's TD is indeed brighter compared to mine. hers was the first batch bought when launched. Personally, I liked her screen better(damn, should have bought the Omnia to exchange with her...)
ya guys have no idea how yellow the Touch Cruise was!
But at least, it seemed that all Cruises were the same..
Thank god.. my diamond seems pretty white, similar to my trusty old P3300
Hi i just bought one today. (in Denmark) an i also noticed a yellow line in the bottom of the screen. i brought it back to the shop, and we went through 3 htc diamonds all with the yellow tint... damn shame. they just received their batch this weekend.
the display also made some "waves" when pressed upon
I am now on my THIRD htc diamond. All with yellow marks and ripple effects. Orange keep sending me new ones all with the same problem. SO frustrated and dont know what to do. Whether to get another one!?
@ganaz-x
and
@all
Could you tell us the serial numbers of the devices with
-good white display
-"good" yellowish display
-display with yellow points
???
If you dont want to post the full serial you can x out the last one or two digits.
BR Robert
taleboblen said:
Hi i just bought one today. (in Denmark) an i also noticed a yellow line in the bottom of the screen. i brought it back to the shop, and we went through 3 htc diamonds all with the yellow tint... damn shame. they just received their batch this weekend.
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Samething here in Sweden, I've gone through 3 Diamonds:
- The first had a really bad yellow spot issue, could see it clearly over the keyboard icon
- The second didnt have any yellow spots, but the screen and keyboard was poorly matched so light was leaking through the crack... badly.
- The third doesnt have the light leak, but I'm back to yellow spots :/
But its not nearly as bad as the first was, I can deal with it.
Electronics suck today, me thinks. Its all about cutting corners to maximize profits, screwing over the customer to make extra millions (but what are they going to do with it? Hire engineers to figure out how to cut more corners of course). My old K600i (like first gen 3G) is built like a tank and I expect it to still work good as new 10 years from now.
Had 4 Diamonds. Two are the original DIAM100 when they were first released onto the market the Screens were perfect. When the Diamond DIAM130 was released in Australia on Telstra, i got another one to test the NextG features of the operator, i sent this straight back thinking it was a faulty LCD screen cos of yellow tinge aswell as poor viewing angle and contrast of pictures. Received a replacement and it was the same thing out of the box, didnt bother trying to get another replacement after i saw my friends DIAM130 also had the same issue. But once again very poor contrast, not as sharp, and viewing angle even worse, and of course the yellow tinge, the screen just never looks white.. It doesnt help when you have a normal one to compare it to, my friends are jealous that i got a DIAM100.
Had exactly the same issue as described above with my GF's Diamond. First one she had had a yellow cloud across the lower part of the screen and also in the top right where the 'ok' usually is. If I hadn't spotted it she probably wouldn't have noticed but when you know what to look for it's quite obvious. Would have annoyed the hell out of me from second one. On a full white screen like Google it was clearly visible. Sent it back to Carphone Warehouse and had a new one within a few days. This one is better but still perfect. It's only slightly yellow along the bottom and not at the top so we're not going to bother again.
Very disturbing that so many others have the same issue. I wonder how many people have just not noticed because the bottom band is usually blacked out by soft keys?
Oh yeah, I was also one of the first to notice this issue. Two little yellow clouds on the bottom of the screen. I contacted HTC and told them about it and my phone has been shipped out for repair.
I really don't care how long it takes, but I don't expect to sit and see two yellow spots on the superb VGA screen when I paid close to $700. It really is a shame.
I will also make sure HTC not send the phone back out to me until I get a screen that:
a) has no yellowish tint
b) has no burnt pixel
c) Properly aligned
d) no yellow spots
e) any others?
I have noticed the same and was able to get an official explanation from HTC.
Follow link for pics and everything HTC Touch Diamond: same device, different screens? (rough translation from Italian to English)
I've got the same problem.
Bought my diamond in sweden, at the operator Tre (3). My first phone had a strong wellow light, as shown on the picture attached.
I went back with it, got another one, went home only to discover that the new phone had the exact same problem - but with even stronger light.
The guy who works at the place also owns a diamond, but his yellow light isn't that strong, so he wont bother, he said.
At the store, they called HTC and was told to re-send their whole storage of diamonds. HTC knew about the problem, and told us that a batch in the process of making the phone, was corrupted. A couple of thousands phones had this problem, thay said.
Now, I'm sitting here without my diamond. I regret to accept a phone even if the yellow light is just covering a fewpixels. Like Vector-SS I paid a lot of money for it, and will only accept a totally clear display.
What worries me is that htc said only a few 1000 phones was failing in the display.. after reading this thread, I can imagine the amount is quite more larger than that.
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I'm gutted. Somehow my Diamond has got this oily liquid underneath the screen in the centre of the screen. It's come from nowhere?? I haven't got it wet, have always used a screen protector, etc but now it's as if it has escaped from somewhere inside the phone and is now sitting between the digitizer and the glass underneath. Where on earth does this come from? Has anyone known this to happen to other HTC's? I guess it has come from the LCD. God only knows how this happened, I treat my Diamond with a lot of care. I tried to take some photos for you guys to show you what I mean but it was pointless, you can only see this oil slick when the light reflects off the screen so it's hard to actually capture that in a photo. Just imagine an oil slick underneath the screen that moves around when you touch it with your finger. Oh yeah, and now my digitizer is inaccurate all the time. Actually I made a little picture to at least try and illustrate (sorry I suck at paintbrush)
I'm a bit worried that I'm going to end up with one of those ****ty yellow-tint replacement LCD's. My friend bought a touch pro the other day and he ended up with one of these screens, and believe me, they are A JOKE. The look *pitiful*. If this happens it's byebye Diamond and byebye HTC. Just on 6 months old this thing and been treated with nothing but absolute care. I might even do the unthinkable and get an iphone now I hear that TomTom is on it's way over there.. Wow I guess I must be really pissed off, lol..
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Have same problem
I used hair dryer but it is there still.
all i can say is that not always and only looking from a certain angle i have the same square stain you describe. i thought i am the only one....
the strange thing is that looking now at the screen everything looks OK (the stain is not there) but i remember seeing the stain in many occasions in the past. maybe is temperature related and right now is morning here and i didn't start using my device yet.
i'll keep an eye on this thread.
i also take good care of my device and use a screen protector.
Finaly some out there with the same problem as me
I have the idea that it could be the result of presure to the screen!
...you get the same "oilish" look when you press a finger on the screen!
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KukurikU said:
all i can say is that not always and only looking from a certain angle i have the same square stain you describe. i thought i am the only one....
the strange thing is that looking now at the screen everything looks OK (the stain is not there) but i remember seeing the stain in many occasions in the past. maybe is temperature related and right now is morning here and i didn't start using my device yet.
i'll keep an eye on this thread.
i also take good care of my device and use a screen protector.
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Yes, exactly, staring at the screen normally, I cannot see it. But, when the light hits it, I can see it very much.
And, now when tapping the screen instead of feeling that cushioned kind of effect, it's now really hard and the taps with the stylus are much louder than what they were before. It's like the previously trapped 'oil' actually gave a softening effect, but now it has escaped or whatever, and it feels like I am tapping glass, or something equally as hard. But we all know the glass is a couple layers deep, and there is the soft digitizer and also the screen protector between that glass and the stylus. Now it feels like those extra layers are not even there. I can barely use the horizontal scrollbars now as the stylus is inaccurate in a lot of areas on the screen, but not all, and not all the time. (?) Even after a re-calibration the problem is not going away. Dialling a number takes several attempts due to missed numbers, and other niggly annoying things you can imagine. Hmmm. I wonder how many people have this but have not noticed yet?
Please post here is you have this problem, guys! Remember to look at your screen with an overhead light directly bouncing off your screen and into your eyes. Then you will see the oil slick effect. And when in the position you can touch the screen with your finger and see the oily liquid move around. Please let us know if you have this problem, thanks.
probably from heat/humidity. happens with my atom exec
Hi guys,
i don't have Diamond but sometimes check Diamond forum.
I thin that the problem you are referring to, also occured on some of the HTC Touches(Elfs).
Check this thread(post #106 has some ample pics):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322251&page=11
P.S. I don't know if they managed to solve the screen smudge issue.
Cheers.
KukurikU said:
all i can say is that not always and only looking from a certain angle i have the same square stain you describe. i thought i am the only one....
the strange thing is that looking now at the screen everything looks OK (the stain is not there) but i remember seeing the stain in many occasions in the past. maybe is temperature related and right now is morning here and i didn't start using my device yet.
i'll keep an eye on this thread.
i also take good care of my device and use a screen protector.
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I think its related to what the screen reflects, because sometimes i see it to and sometimes i don't, now i have a LCD Computer Screen from samsung and if i use the phone at home i don't see the 'oil', if i place my phone in the right direction so that it reflects the screen i will see the screen reflected part with the 'oil' ,so if i hold it so that my LCD screen appears for 50% on my screen(y-ax) and the other 50 percent of the diamond reflects a wall or something, i only see the 'oil' at that part that reflects my LCD screen...
Now this isn't only with my LCD screen, the roof @ my school does the same thing, some kind of walls, etc.
whoa, that's really weird, I just noticed that on my Diamond while sat at my desk...! I'm sure I would have seen it before now, but who knows... It's only visible under certain light though (flourescent seems to be the worst). Its presence doesn't appear to affect the digitizer and can't actually see it when the backlight's on...
I had exactly the same problem. Called HTC logged as a fault .. New screen replaced under warranty . Very impressed !
Its the touch screen touching the LCD ... A known probelm to HTC so give them a call
Thanks for all your replies everyone
My touch screen is really hard to use now so shouldn't be a problem getting it replaced, I hope!
I will call our HTC repairer Monday then let you know how it goes, thanks!
oil in the center of screen
ahhh I just noticed the same oily substance on my diamond too!! so whats the deal ?!
Wow I have the same problem too...don't see it directly but when I tilt it at certain angle I can see it. I will give HTC a call and hopefully they will help me replace the screen.
Mines the same
Just sent off for repair with t mobile
Nice to know I can direct them here if they decide to say it's not a common problem so I must have done it
Got it here too!
screen went really bad touching one area say opens different links in opera or anyother app.
will be in touch with orange and point them to this thread........cant beat XDA devs!!
the same problem but who to call
hi guys
just wanted to ask
i am from israel and bought the diamond on ebay from a store in the states
who can i call?
htc will probably want me to ship it to them
and then i will be without a phone for a month
what should i do?
Me too!! Ditto!
I got the same problem too!!!! And OMG....soo many ppl have it too!! This is crazy.....its like some mass defective shipment or something! I have the same oily patch on my elfin. And my digitizer is new....its barely been 2 months!! I had it replaced coz I accidentally cracked the last one. Though it doesn't seem to be affecting the screen calibration or any of the screen accuracy. I hope its not like a problem that aggravates into something else altogether (fingers crossed).
Have the same problem with my diamond. Will send it to HTC repair center in austria a few days past christmas.
merry christmas !
bugeyes said:
Got it here too!
screen went really bad touching one area say opens different links in opera or anyother app.
will be in touch with orange and point them to this thread........cant beat XDA devs!!
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Good old Orange UK contacted them this morning and will receive a new diamond tomorrow!!! soo cool well worth leaving t mob for!
Same problem on my Touch HD (Blackstone)
Got my Touch HD less than 4 weeks ago and noticed a small oliy patch (size a 5p coin) in the bottom after a few days. Sometimes the patch was visible and sometimes not. It has now progressed to a rectangle of about 1 inch by 3 inch. I noticed it can hardly be seen with normal light bulbs or outside, but under certain light conditions like our special lighting in the office (some natural, blue light bulbs) AND energy saving light bulbs it is very obvious and annoying.
I have no idea how it happened as I had 3 other HTC touch screen devices in the past without this problem. I am carrying my phone in my trouser back pocket, but I think it does not bend it enough to cause this. Another suspicion (guess of mine) is the screen protector itself. I am wondering that maybe the temp difference between protector and screen was too large and when it contracted it pulled away the upper layer of the touch screen?
I am attaching a bmp that shows the patch on the phone.
I have now contacted BuyMobilePhones.net where I bought the phone and after being wrongly asked to contact Orange for a fault code, I have sent it to them for repair/replacement. I hope I will get it back next week. Until then I will use my Artemis / O2 XDA Orbit 2.
My theory is that HTC has sourced a different manufacturer for their LCD screens on the the TD,but the roms/driver (not sure which it is) they release have the same contrast values set for the old LCD's thus making the new LCDS, to look washed out.
The only way around this I can see is that HTC should fix these levels for the new LCD's in their rom's/drivers or someone with the skills to reverse engineer them and alter the values.
What made me think of this therory was that someone took a screen shot and altered the contrast in a paint app on the TD making it look vibrant and thus getting rid of the yellow tint and dull look, proving that the new display is capable of showing true blacks and not washed out greys..
Makes total sense to me..
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Kindly uploaded by another member..
Link ... Shown the old and new LCD's (new LCD with wash out, yellowish tint - is the one on the right)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cVGORLm-Qc
Yes it's indeed possible to have good contrast & vibrant colors on the yellowish washed out lcd's, I use resco photoviewer all the time to adjust the photos / images to look great on the screen. If we only could adjust the contrast on the screen itself so it would look good troughout the whole ui would be amazing...
i read somwhere the phones manufactured in china are the ones whith nice white vibrant screen and the phones manufactured in taiwan have the yellow tint or is it the other way around!. mine was manufactured in taiwan or so the sticker says. it has a white display. i feel sorry for anyone who has a device with the yellow tint it looks horrible.
argh. Mine was in glorious white, until I sent my Diamond in to have the touch screen replaced. It's yellow now!
I think a majority of the Diamonds have the yellow tint displays, it's a new one (probably cheaper) HTC have started using...
I also believe the Touch HD are having the same yellowish displays, but with the higher resolution of course.
Actually they're pretty good displays but if compared to the whiteish ones they'll look bad of course.
I bought a European Diamond back in September 2008 with superb lcd quality. Now I got it replaced under warranty, but the new one has awful contrast, especially when you look at it from an angle (45 degrease or more), it’s just horrible.
I actually managed to talk to the technician who worked at my phone. He said that all phones manufactured in the beginning had the bright screens, but HTC switch to this, probably cheaper yellowish screen soon after, and all replacement screens he gets from HTC in England are this low quality version. He even shown me a new phone whit this same yellowish screen, so I don’t think is country specific.
I am going to send HTC technical support an email, but I am not getting my hopes high yet. Overall I am greatly disappointed in HTC quality products, as this is not my first big issue whit this phone. Five days after I’ve purchased it, the mother board died and the replacement one worked … one day until it died also.
So if you have the bright lcd version, think twice before replacing it. If I known this would happen, I would have stuck with the original one, even though it had some issues.
I got mine a couple of weeks ago,came from hong kong,and had russian cd and booklet's!!
Had official 2.03.456 rom WWE installed.
My screen has very white white's and black black's,great contrast,easily the best quality pda phone screen I've owned colour/contrast wise,glad of this because this was the only reason I chose it over the HD which from the video comparison's between the two show the HD has grey black's and yellow white's,look's washed out.
Hope I don't have to get my diamond screen changed otherwise it's best feature will be gone looking at the picture's above......I feel lucky.
Just a pity the screen require's soo much stylus pressure to use.
Singelton said:
i read somwhere the phones manufactured in china are the ones whith nice white vibrant screen and the phones manufactured in taiwan have the yellow tint or is it the other way around!. mine was manufactured in taiwan or so the sticker says. it has a white display. i feel sorry for anyone who has a device with the yellow tint it looks horrible.
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It mite of been me that made that point in an old thread months n months ago, i work in the online returns department for o2, there was talk of us stocking the diamond, but the suits decided not 2 after vodafone stopped stocking the handset after it was said that atleast 40% of the screens produced in 2008 were made in china for just a portion of the price of the other screens that was made in taiwan they seem to be the ones with the yellow tint issue!
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I bought a European Diamond back in September 2008 with superb lcd quality. Now I got it replaced under warranty, but the new one has awful contrast, especially when you look at it from an angle (45 degrease or more), it’s just horrible.
I actually managed to talk to the technician who worked at my phone. He said that all phones manufactured in the beginning had the bright screens, but HTC switch to this, probably cheaper yellowish screen soon after, and all replacement screens he gets from HTC in England are this low quality version. He even shown me a new phone whit this same yellowish screen, so I don’t think is country specific.
I am going to send HTC technical support an email, but I am not getting my hopes high yet. Overall I am greatly disappointed in HTC quality products, as this is not my first big issue whit this phone. Five days after I’ve purchased it, the mother board died and the replacement one worked … one day until it died also.
So if you have the bright lcd version, think twice before replacing it. If I known this would happen, I would have stuck with the original one, even though it had some issues.
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If you cause enough trouble they will replace it, customers like you need to let htc know that ur not gunna put up with such low quality components! not for the price htc expect you to pay amnyway! i wish you good look in your quest
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Just a pity the screen require's soo much stylus pressure to use.
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Install Advanced Config and set Pressure Threshold and Finger Pressure under section HTC TouchFLO at 80866, and touchscreen is super sensitive.
Yes have messed around with advanced config,although I didn't change the value's as much as you suggested,still is the least sensitive winmo device screen I've used,it's fine with finger use,with the stylus it's annoying and a lot of non registering for me,and watching a lot of youtube video's on it before I bought it,noticed a lot of missed tap's from the reviewer's also.
Still,it's a pretty screen to look at though.
I was put off the Galaxy S2 because of the screen. Unless you look straight onto it I can see a green tint and if move the device the screen has a green shimmer to it which gets on my nerves and reduces the screen brightness to my eyes.
Ive been told this is the glass coating, does the Note have the same effect / tint?
The green tint was criticized in a German review of the Galaxy Note. Thereafter, the review was updated. It nows says that many users with phones having a green tint got a replacement and that the newer phones do not have this issue.
http://www.golem.de/1111/87475-3.html
Ordered and returned a Galaxy S2 to Amazon.co.uk this week because I just couldn't adjust to the green tint, also the plastic made my hand sweat!? So is it a bad batch or is it like the iPads and iPhones which have 2 or 3 different screen manufactures - some yellowish, some redish.
The Note looks like a killer device with all of the goodness of the S2 plus a stylus and I really don't want to order a iPhone 4s but I'm hovering on the order button....
no green tint here. but even if there was, the 2 year warranty would cover it.
Green tint here, although it's not very noticable.
Neither my S2 or note have a green tint.
Also, the S2 was noted to have the best screen on a mobile device..
no tint here.
In fact my S2 comparing to note have a blue tint on white and the note it is more natural.
I wish I wont have a problem.
Not sure abt green but the two S2 I went thru had a severe blue tint. Was extemely excited abt the S2 and purchased 3 different cases, a car charger and the mhl adapter even before I got the phone.
The blue tint was so bad at the slightest of angles that it was simply unbearable. Got it replaced but the same story again. Finally caved in and bought the Sensation, but the screen was unbelievably inferior when compared to my HD2 and had that returned too.
Completely torn between the Nexus and the Note and jus can't make up my mind. That said, my HD2 running Hyperdroid CM7 is rock solid and super smooth and I love having physical keys, Its just that 'm bored using the same phone for so long now.
No green/blue/whatever tints noticed on either the SGS2 or the Note.
I guess these days everyone seems to have quality control problems with screen manufacture... just saw a friend do a side-by-side white colour comparison with two iPhone 4S' and one was more blue than the other.
My new note also has this tint. Personally it doesn't bother me, cause it only visible when you tilt white background. The pics below are from some review site, who also saw this. Anyone else?
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Mine has a slight green tint, and sometimes there are infinitesimal color shifts that I notice while I'm reading ebooks on a solid color background. It's not pronounced enough to justify my replacing it though.
How do you guys check the green tint when in the store? what settings or apps do i have to go to to check the green tint?
When I bought my galaxy note, I had the opportunity to compare side-by-side a polish vs hk unit in person to choose the one I wanted. I set both units to max brightness and then chose the one with less green hue. It was noticeable when I looked for it, and I was glad I asked him to let me look at both to choose one.
In the Samsung store, the note is clearly much better in terms of color temp under the fluorescent lighting of the store, than the GS2 was. The GS2 has a very obvious tint that was visible even without placing the note side-by-side next to it.
That's not to say the Galaxy Note is perfect. Its native white point is still pretty high it seems. At max brightness, my Note's white point is still noticeably "cooler" than my two calibrated monitors in the same indoor lighting environment. Dim down the display and it becomes even more "blue".
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When I bought my galaxy note, I had the opportunity to compare side-by-side a polish vs hk unit in person to choose the one I wanted. I set both units to max brightness and then chose the one with less green hue. It was noticeable when I looked for it, and I was glad I asked him to let me look at both to choose one.
In the Samsung store, the note is clearly much better in terms of color temp under the fluorescent lighting of the store, than the GS2 was. The GS2 has a very obvious tint that was visible even without placing the note side-by-side next to it.
That's not to say the Galaxy Note is perfect. Its native white point is still pretty high it seems. At max brightness, my Note's white point is still noticeably "cooler" than my two calibrated monitors in the same indoor lighting environment. Dim down the display and it becomes even more "blue".
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Thanks for your input. So when you saw both units, there was definite green tint on both? Do you guys consider this a normal trait for the kind of screen technology we have?
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Thanks for your input. So when you saw both units, there was definite green tint on both? Do you guys consider this a normal trait for the kind of screen technology we have?
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When looking at just 1 phone, it's not noticeable, when compared together, one of the notes had more green than the other, but not on a "deal breaking" level.
Yes, it's normal with this tech, Mobile versions of AMOLED tech never claims to be accurate, it only really sells its super wide color gamut and deep blacks.
If you want color "accuracy", then then iphone4s is technically more accurate. If you want an android phone, then a more accurate comparable res'd screen is the one on the LG Optimus LTE with AH-IPS 1280x720 on 4.3". Some display certification company claims that it's better than Super AMOLED Plus.
Accurate-to-life doesn't lead to being perceptually appealing though, hence why people are immediately drawn to the deep blacks and eye-popping saturation and brightness of Super AMOLED. Trust me when I say the note's screen will put a smile on your face!
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Mine has a slight green tint, and sometimes there are infinitesimal color shifts that I notice while I'm reading ebooks on a solid color background. It's not pronounced enough to justify my replacing it though.
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I have the exact problem, but mine is good, but it shifts int green too, its a shame its not perfect these days.
Mine has NO green tint, the white is as white as snow.
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Mine has NO green tint, the white is as white as snow.
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No green tint when you look at it straight or when viewing angles? mine also shows excellent white when your looking at it straight. But when trying to view angles, the greenish tint slowly appears.
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mike2518 said:
My new note also has this tint. Personally it doesn't bother me, cause it only visible when you tilt white background. The pics below are from some review site, who also saw this. Anyone else?
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what review site did you get this pictures from?
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1316433816
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1319022037
As some of the Note3 members may remember, I made a big thread in Note3 General Forum in regard to the display quality of the Note3,
you can find it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786
Also, I made similar ones on note2 and generally about AMOLED development over time.
So, as I got my new Note4 (Snapdragon) yesterday (from Amazon Germany), it's time to take a closer look on the AMOLED of this brand
new device.
My first impressions are:
The display is overall way better in terms of color shift when tilting the screen, but:
At least on my first device there is a noticable shift in brightness on the right side of the screen, especially on the lower half of the screen.
On dark grey backgrounds (as for example the XDA app with the dark theme has) you can see a contrast or brightness loss on the lower
right corner.
But my unit has an other, more dramatic flaw: On the left side of the screen, just where the lower end of the volume rocker is located, there
is a 0,5mm area of the screen, where it seems like there is something between the screen and the glass, but there is nothing! on light backgrounds
the spot gets darker, on dark backgrounds the spot gets brighter > very annoying!!
But I guess this is a non common flaw, which is really bad luck and has nothing to do with the uneveness mentioned above.
The funny thing is, this time I really thought I wouldn't have to switch devices, because the screen is otherwise really fine, but the spot-flaw
ruins it for me...
So I ordered a replacement today at amazon, as soon as I have this second device I can compare the two in regard to the AMOLED quality,
and then I will update this post!
What are your first experiences with the screen?
Regards,
Markus
Update 19.10.2014
Got my second device on Friday, and I've seen a third device from a friend:
My second device has a better screen in regard to uniformity (no darker right side of the screen), but: it is darker and has a slightly red tint when
viewed from the center. Also, the color shift is worse when tilting the device.
When I lay my three devices (note3, 2xnote4) side by side, enter *#0*# and compare the screens (walking around, looking from different angles),
then my hand-selected note3 has FAR the best performance in terms of neutral white, and tilting color shift is much less then on both note4.
the device from my friend has a worser red tint when looking straight on, but again tilting performance is better then my second device (although
not as good as on my note3)
conclusio so far:
.) note4 has worser tilting performance (color shift when tilting the device) as note3 (maybe due to higher PPI)
.) again, there are huge differences between different devices >> display lottery is back once again!
Update 02.11.2014:
After seeing a lot more of Note4 devices I'm now finally sure that on Note4 the displays vary a lot. "Perfect screens" are very rare, the best one
I've seen so far was on display in a "MediaMarkt" Store in VIenna. It was a display unit (without radio module), but the screen was a lot better then
on my current Note4. White was much more stable when tilting the device...
Today I had the idea of writing to "DisplayMate", because they tested a lot of Samsung AMOLED devices and their reviews always praise this screens
very much. Would be interesting what they would say to our issues:
Here is the mail I wrote them:
Von: TML1504
Gesendet: Sonntag, 02. November 2014 22:25
An: '[email protected]'
Betreff: Samsung Note4 Display Quality (XDA)
Wichtigkeit: Hoch
Dear ladies and gentlemen,
I’m writing to you because you compare and evaluate display devices and rate their screens.
I know your evaluations since years, and I like your scientific approach.
Let me give you a short description of myself:
I’m a consumer electronics freak with a plethora of devices, mostly from Samsung (I do not like
Apples overestimated marketing crap) and I’m especially a freak when it comes to displays. I
owned several AMOLED devices so far (Galaxy S1, S2, S3, Note1-4, Tab7-7, Tab-S(both)) and with
ALL of them I have to exchange them 2-8 (!) times to get one with a decent screen. Trust me, the
devices you get are cherry-picked from Samsung, or if you bought them randomly you must have
been VERY lucky!
I’ve a MSc in engineering and I hold product development lectures at university, so I know what
I’m talking about tech und manufacturing. Believe me, Samsung has big issues when it comes to
display quality. Their luck is that most people do not compare identical devices, therefore most
people would think their screen is ok and not bother.
So, what is the problem:
As you can see here on XDA developers:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/2-white-tones-screen-t2926527
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/colour-tint-screen-t2909552
There are some threads in regard to this problem, as well as pictures.
I for myself created one huge thread for Note4:http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365
And for Note3 as well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786
If you search you would find a lot of other threads in regard to Samsung’s AMOLED screens.
In short: The displays of otherwise identical units differ A LOT in terms of display quality. If you
buy 10 Note4 devices you will get perhaps 1-2 with a perfect screen, all other devices would
suffer from bad viewing angles (HUGE discoloration when tilting), uneven brightness distribution
(yellow corners, especially right side of the screen and lower half), or very different white tone
when straight viewing on. I did this since note2 this way: Purchase a few devices, select the one
with the best screen and return the others.
I think this has mainly two manufacturing reasons:
1) The panels are cut out of a wafer. Screens from the center of the wafer are perfect, screens
from the side regions suffer from uneven color and/or brightness distribution depending from
where of the wafer they have been cut
2) Uneven or otherwise not proper coating of the screen. A too thick layer perhaps could cause color
problems.
Nevertheless, what bothers me a little bit is that you do not mention any of this in your reviews, and
people think they have a perfect screen. It would be nice if you response to this issues and at least tell
us what your opinion about the reason for such huge quality issues is.
I will post this mail also on XDA, if you want to you can reply directly there.
Thank you for your otherwise brilliant work!
Best regards,
Markus
Update 11.11.2014: Reply from displaymate
Von: DisplayMate Support <[email protected]>
Gesendet: Montag, 10. November 2014 16:25
An: Markus
Betreff: Re: Samsung Note4 Display Quality (XDA)
Thanks for your Email. Feel free to post this.
We get many Emails like yours with every display review article that we publish, with readers sending in comments and sometimes screen shots of their display, or even multiple displays side-by-side to accentuate the differences.
For our public article series we publish the results that we obtain. There is no question that there are always some defective units, substandard calibrations, variations between production lots and within production lots, variations in display performance, variations between displays from multiple suppliers and manufactured in different factories. We have no way to evaluate the scale, frequency, and validity of these issues based on reader Emails so we don't discuss them. All products, from displays to cars, have quality control and variation issues - consumers know this. We simply tell people that if the display is unsatisfactory then return it for exchange or refund.
For LCDs, a well known issue is the variation in the White LEDs used in the backlight - their color, brightness, and power efficiency all vary significantly. Manufacturers pay varying premiums to have the White LEDs pre-sorted into similar performance classes for their products.
We get many more Emails from unhappy iPhone and iPad customers than any other manufacturer. One possible source is that Apple uses many different suppliers for their displays. However, over a one year product cycle we may test a dozen iPhone and iPad units that are sent to us from multiple sources (including Apple competitors), and over many years we have never found any significant variations in display performance in our lab tests. I don't doubt that there are always some quality control and performance variations, but we have never seen any in the large number of Apple products that we have tested.
We don't get many Emails regarding Samsung OLED displays. Most seem to be the result of the sender leaving it in one of the default Vivid modes instead of the accurate (Cinema, Movie or Basic) mode that we use in our tests. Samsung is a single source manufacturer so that is not an issue. We also test many Samsung OLED devices (including many supplied by Samsung competitors) and have never seen any significant display performance variations within a given model. Again, I don't doubt that there are always some quality control and performance variations, but we have never seen any in the large number of Samsung OLED products that we have tested.
In any case, for our public article series we publish the display results that we obtain in our lab.
While it is difficult to get an objective statistical measure of the frequency and size of display performance variations, I highly encourage you to publicize this issue, perhaps via a youtube channel that can act as a central clearing house for this display issue.
Raymond Soneira
President of DisplayMate Technologies Corporation
Tel: 603-672-8500 Web: http://www.displaymate.com
TML1504 said:
As some of the Note3 members may remember, I made a big thread in Note3 General Forum in regard to the display quality of the Note3,
you can find it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786
Also, I made similar ones on note2 and generally about AMOLED development over time.
So, as I got my new Note4 (Snapdragon) yesterday (from Amazon Germany), it's time to take a closer look on the AMOLED of this brand
new device.
My first impressions are:
The display is overall way better in terms of color shift when tilting the screen, but:
At least on my first device there is a noticable shift in brightness on the right side of the screen, especially on the lower half of the screen.
On dark grey backgrounds (as for example the XDA app with the dark theme has) you can see a contrast or brightness loss on the lower
right corner.
But my unit has an other, more dramatic flaw: On the left side of the screen, just where the lower end of the volume rocker is located, there
is a 0,5mm area of the screen, where it seems like there is something between the screen and the glass, but there is nothing! on light backgrounds
the spot gets darker, on dark backgrounds the spot gets brighter > very annoying!!
But I guess this is a non common flaw, which is really bad luck and has nothing to do with the uneveness mentioned above.
The funny thing is, this time I really thought I wouldn't have to switch devices, because the screen is otherwise really fine, but the spot-flaw
ruins it for me...
So I ordered a replacement today at amazon, as soon as I have this second device I can compare the two in regard to the AMOLED quality,
and then I will update this post!
What are your first experiences with the screen?
Regards,
Markus
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what you are describing is called backlight bleeding
hello00 said:
what you are describing is called backlight bleeding
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Erm... What you are describing is completely false. Amoled screens don't have backlights.
Warren.D said:
Erm... What you are describing is completely false. Amoled screens don't have backlights.
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true nvm that
hello00 said:
what you are describing is called backlight bleeding
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Except Amoled has no backlight.
pete4k said:
Except Amoled has no backlight.
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@TML1504, Hey! I do remember your thread at the note 3's forum, was pretty awesome buddy made me change 4 n3's of mine to get a decent display due that that xD 1 thing I'd like to know is does the red still changes to orange even by tilting it a lil bit like on the N3, Ty.
RuchRha said:
@TML1504, Hey! I do remember your thread at the note 3's forum, was pretty awesome buddy made me change 4 n3's of mine to get a decent display due that that xD 1 thing I'd like to know is does the red still changes to orange even by tilting it a lil bit like on the N3, Ty.
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Yes.
RuchRha said:
@TML1504, Hey! I do remember your thread at the note 3's forum, was pretty awesome buddy made me change 4 n3's of mine to get a decent display due that that xD 1 thing I'd like to know is does the red still changes to orange even by tilting it a lil bit like on the N3, Ty.
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Yes it does. The colour shift on the note 4 is bad. I still don't understand why reviews are not really mentioning it.
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Warren.D said:
Yes.
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toadsurfer said:
Yes it does. The colour shift on the note 4 is bad. I still don't understand why reviews are not really mentioning it.
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Now that's very disappointing :/
RuchRha said:
Now that's very disappointing :/
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Yes it is. For me it almost detracts from all the good points about the screen; no point harping on about perfect colour accuracy if you can only see that when viewing the screen from exactly 90 degrees.
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Yeah..it happen to me also..seem like at the right bottom the screen turn into pink white a bit at white background color..but it much better than my note 3..
Id suppose the same screen issues are on the Note 4 as well, lottery time.. I really like the note 4 due to the design but the lottery makes me think twice but maybe ill get it at a later date I wonder though how good are the dark greys on the Note 4, on the note 3 its terrible.
The screen on my device is flawless, I've loaded up that picture of all the wool and everything stands out clearly and vividly. Red is red and Orange is Orange etc.. if I tilt the screen any direction nothing changes, it's perfect.
I've seen six Note 4 phones in various Best Buy stores. All of them had noticeable shifting of colors when tilting the phone left or right, and it did not take much tilting to notice. I've played the screen lottery too many times with Apple products, and the thought of doing it ever again with any product doesn't make me happy.
I'm currently out of contract and was 100% sure that the Note 4 was my next phone. Now I'm not so sure. I have a lot of tolerance for issues that can come up with this technology, but screen quality is not one of those issues.
Disappointing.
The thing is, when looking at any new device, one of the top complaints seems to be screen quality. If I rule out every device because of screen quality, I'll just be stuck on my S3 forever.
I guess I'm on the fence.
Maybe my eyesight is not so good :laugh:
I had the exact same problem with my first N3 that I got. I took it in to at&t and showed them and they replaced it. You couldn't see it on every "screen" but once you could it was evident that something wasn't right.
I too have this problem with colour shift on my Note 4, Can this issue be fixed with a software update?
I never had this problem on the Note 3
OP updated
Update 19.10.2014
Got my second device on Friday, and I've seen a third device from a friend:
My second device has a better screen in regard to uniformity (no darker right side of the screen), but: it is darker and has a slightly red tint when
viewed from the center. Also, the color shift is worse when tilting the device.
When I lay my three devices (note3, 2xnote4) side by side, enter *#0*# and compare the screens (walking around, looking from different angles),
then my hand-selected note3 has FAR the best performance in terms of neutral white, and tilting color shift is much less then on both note4.
the device from my friend has a worser red tint when looking straight on, but again tilting performance is better then my second device (although
not as good as on my note3)
conclosio so far:
.) note4 has worser tilting performance (color shift when tilting the device) as note3 (maybe due to higher PPI)
.) again, there are huge differences between different devices >> display lottery is back once again!
Can the colour shift be fixed by a update?
So we were discussing this on the other forum--google "uniform screen color" on android central for the thread. Someone posted that their screen color wasn't uniform, and so I shared my experience below.
I had to return my turbo because there was clear but subtle color difference depending on the area of the screen--almost like the color temp was getting warmer in the lower right corner, or like someone described, like there was too much brightness in one area vs another. It got more obvious to me as i used the phone, especially for reading ebooks.
When using the app "display test" from the play store, and the "viewing angle test" graphic, it was obvious that contrast, color, and white balance was different in the lower right corner.
I returned it, argued forever (2 hrs) with the manager at verizon who couldn't see it...until I showed him the test graphic, and he looked at the various parts of the screen with a jewelers loupe (magnifier.) They replaced it as a defect, but said it was so subtle they were basically doing me a favor. I disagree, but whatever, time will tell on these displays.
The new one, while MUCH better....still does not provide uniform color temp and brightness. It's disappointing, given how great this display was supposed to be.
I'd love if anyone else could look at the test graphics and see for yourselves...but be forewarned, as I said in the other forum, once you see it you can never unsee it......
And yes I took the plastic off of the screen.
Sadly I see the same on mine. Originally had a ballistic nylon model which had the issue and have since switched to the standard with the same. Mine is almost more of a banding horizontally across the screen almost like it heats up and cools down a few times through the height of the screen.
It's very, very slight on mine. Can't decide if its a swap issue for me yet.
Shame we don't have a way to back these up for issues, I just got it where I wanted it!
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I think I am not going to worry about mine. Who knows what issues another phone would have!
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zachtheowl said:
It's disappointing, given how great this display was supposed to be.
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Huh? Its AMOLED RGBG, possibly the WORST display technology ever invented. How can you have expected it to be "great"?
I'm in the same boat. It's more noticeable on a white background. Any chance it can improve over time? I recall iphones having similar issues a couple years ago and people saying there was a "break in" period.
No idea. Decided to live with mine last high and today considering a return this afternoon, lol.
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I definitely have an incredibly noticeable pinkish tint at the top of my screen. This is quite infuriating.
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Are you going to exchange it? I thought about doing this, but I'm afraid the replacement might be just as bad or worse. I have the pinkish tint on the bottom half of the screen.
I'm curious as to how open Verizon will be to exchanging it for such a "minor" issue. I just got a replacement because calls wouldn't work on my first one, so I was able to get some pretty good comparison photos (both phones at max brightness viewing the same images in QuickPic with no ambient light photographed with my 5D): New phone is on the left.
Homescreens:
Gray image:
White image:
Other images:
I thought it did until I read this. There is a redish blob about an inch up from the bottom. Now I cant unsee it. I will wait a few months and the use motos guarantee let them work out the manufacturing issues first.
Cel1084 said:
I thought it did until I read this. There is a redish blob about an inch up from the bottom. Now I cant unsee it. I will wait a few months and the use motos guarantee let them work out the manufacturing issues first.
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I think I am going to do the same.
My 3rd Turbo, after 2 14-day exchanges, only has a small line of pink about an inch up from the bottom. However, it also goes away depending on viewing angle (it shifts up once I view it past like 45 degrees tilting the top away from me). So who knows.
I know this is an old thread but I got my Moto Maxx today and it has this same issue towards the top part of the phone. I got it from swappa from a store in PR so I'm wondering if I should see if they will swap it out for me but it seems like all of them have it to some degree or another? I have also seen similar posts about the nexus 6 (not low brightness pink hue issue but like this, uneven temp) I'm wondering if I should go through the trouble if the next one will be the same
Just got my turbo last week and noticed pink discoloration about an inch down from the top and half an inch up from the bottom, full width of the screen. To those who have had this device for several months, does the pink go away? Anybody out there manage to get a non pink one? Contemplating taking it back after flashing back to stock image. Thanks!
Edit: Here is a pic of the screen at full brightness taken with my LG G2. Oops, there is some pocket fuzz on glass, don't mind that. The right side of the pic is the top of my Turbo screen and has about twice as much pink as the bottom of the screen.
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Here is my Turbo next to a good one at Costco. Mine is on the right. Pretty easy to see how pink it is:
Funny story really...so I got a new Turbo after making sure the screen was good - no discernible pinkness from normal viewing angles. I took it back to work and set it on the wireless charger I got at Verizon a few days ago. When I set it on there, the phone apparently crashed and booted into Fastboot. I was surprised but thought maybe the case I put on it was pushing the volume and power buttons down, but nope it wasn't. OK, so I chose to Start from Fastboot, it rebooted right back into Fastboot...uh oh. I chose Factory and hit the button aaaaaaaand this Droid was never living again. It went black and doesn't do jack now. It charges still, so that part of it still functions, but nothing you push will cause it to display anything or vibrate, etc. Great.....back to Costco I go. This time the dude was all "You know...you fulfilled your early-upgrade requirements by sending in the Razr, you could probably swap your dead Turbo for any phone if you do Edge". Hmm, this was unexpected...welcome, but unexpected. I had the S6 staring me in the face and I know they got root on the Verizon version, so I got one of those, joining the sheep. I do miss the Turbo, but the S6 is nice, too. I don't know which one I like better yet, but I'm leaning towards the S6 without letting the 2 bad Turbo's sway my opinion. I did lose about $100 in screen protectors, cases, and Mofo with the Turbo experiment, but it was worth it to get upgraded 7 months before my upgrade date.
And ya the Verizon dude noticed the hash in the notification for the "SU binary update" or whatever, and SuperUser in the app drawer...and he just laughed. Glad I didn't waste my time restoring it back to the stock image.
snake2332 said:
Just got my turbo last week and noticed pink discoloration about an inch down from the top and half an inch up from the bottom, full width of the screen. To those who have had this device for several months, does the pink go away? Anybody out there manage to get a non pink one? Contemplating taking it back after flashing back to stock image. Thanks!
Edit: Here is a pic of the screen at full brightness taken with my LG G2. Oops, there is some pocket fuzz on glass, don't mind that. The right side of the pic is the top of my Turbo screen and has about twice as much pink as the bottom of the screen.
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mine has a similar issue. the lower half of the screen has a pinkish hue. did yours get fixed?