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I hestitate to start a new thread to ask this, but I just spent 5 hours reading the Wizard forums and didn't find anything useful. So here goes . . .
I recently upgraded to Cingular_RUU_WIZARD_217_AKU22_Basic
(thanks, summiter). I'm happy with everything except the behavior of the password protection.
With the original ROM, I had it set (and don't remember what setting did it) so that I would only be prompted for a password when the device was coming out of standby mode (i.e. when I press the power button to turn the screen back on). Most of the time, I would put the device in "protected mode" by manually pressing the power button, but I also had "turn off after 5 minutes when running on battery" set, so if I left it sitting somewhere, it would go into "protected mode" in a few minutes.
With the new ROM, I've tried setting the "prompt if device unused for" setting to "0 minutes" (the setting I seem to recall I had used with the old ROM), which DOES cause the device to prompt for a password whenever I turn it on, but it also causes the password prompt to appear after 1 minute of idle time. If I use a longer setting, then I don't get the password prompt while the device is on, but when I turned off, and back on again, it doesn't prompt for a password.
I'm not dealing with a high security situation here. I just want a simple way to keep my kids and other prying eyes from accessing the PDA function, with a way for me to force it into locked mode, and some kind of time out for when I set the phone down and forget to lock it.
Is there a way to change my current ROM to get the old behavior? Is there some other program I should use instead of the one built-in to the OS?
Thanks.
Seconding this request. I've been looking for a solution to the same problem.
The password behaviour in the AKU2 ROMs are a real PITA - especially if you use SatNav without first switching off the password protection.
Unfortunately this is down to the implemenation by Microsoft so don't hold your breath for this to be "fixed".
Here's my solution so far:
I bought a copy of Pocket Secure 3.0 for $14
Website: http://www.TotalPocketPC.com
Support: http://www.4winmobile.com/-pocket-secure-support-vf25.html
I associated the progam with the Press and Hold voice button (I don't use voice recording), so when I want to force lock the phone, I just press and hold the button.
Using this program, I've left Media Player and/or TCPMP running in the background, "locked" the phone, and then carried it around in my case without any problems.
The "lock screen" displays battery level and a nice big clock. Since I don't wear a watch, 50% or more of the time, when I'm turning my phone "on" (i.e. switch out of standby mode), it's just to see what time it is.
Hai
it would seem that if i have windows media player streaming a file over wifi from the intarweb and i press the wpoer button to sleep the device, it kills the wifi conn - any workarounds for this?
also sometimes when im using the htc home plugin music bit and i press the power button it kills the backend media player process :s
is anyone else having these problems - im sure theres a setting somewhere for it im just too noob to find it
edit: in fact it seems to kill the wifi conn when it goes to sleep by itself too
When you press Power button, you are puting the phone in suspend mode. you need to turn off only the screen, than all the proceses will keep runing. I do it with AEButtonPlus, that alow you to assign a button to this option, and much more...
really? that doesnt seem to make sense - i was using the media player last night through the htchome music plugin over my bluetooth stereo headset, pressed the power button to turn off the screen and everything kept running as i had expected it to - i guess it handles bluetooth differently than wifi?
i intend to have this sitting on my desk at work with apps with network connections persistently open, does that mean ive got to disable the auto-suspend feature in order to achieve this? was kinda hoping it would just power off the screen after a while and any other bits it wasnt using (maybe lower efficiency for better power consumption in places ie wifi) - not kill everything dead
it seems to me to be intermittent when it comes to pressing the power button shutting down the media player tho so hmm :S
When you turn off (suspend) your device the WiFi connection is automatically stopped, which is good, considering the power consumption... imagine you would forget it on for 2h...
shayd was right, you can turn off the screen (different from pressing power) with different programs, which would keep your WiFi going. it's like monitor off on pc, and stand-by on PC
when you pressing power button it is not "killing" all the apps that is running, only suspending the proceses of those apps. when you press power button again, it will resume all the proceses of the runnig apps.
I think you're wrong on this one... it tells the programs that system is in stand-by mode, but programs act the way they want... they can still run.
is it only the wifi it kills when it goes into suspend? what about gprs/gsm/etc? surely it doesnt turn off the phone when its suspended
it doesnt seem to stop any running processes if goes into suspend mode - it only seems to intermittently kill the background media player process (when run through the htchome plugin) when i manually press the power button - ie sometimes itll keep playing, other times itll die
the wifi does dies whether it goes into standby manually or automatically though - ill check out that aebuttonplus, cheers
ok, the only thing that matters here is that suspend (manual and auto) kills WiFi
the reason sometimes it plays a little, and then stops is that it has buffered something before WiFi goes down
what you want is a way to turn off the screen, but not go in suspend mode... i'm sure you can find something smaller than AEButtonPlus for that
oh, and be carefull: when shuting down screen, the hardware buttons are NOT LOCKED (i'm 99% sure the touchscreen is disabled, so no problem there)
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I think you're wrong on this one... it tells the programs that system is in stand-by mode, but programs act the way they want... they can still run.
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You right, the programs are still runing. but they are suspending the proceses.
like if you are connected to pc via activesync, when you suspend the phone by P button, you are "killing" the sync proces, but activesync will still run. same with gps apps and so on. of course some poceses (system) can not been stoped.
shayd said:
You right, the programs are still runing. but they are suspending the proceses.
like if you are connected to pc via activesync, when you suspend the phone by P button, you are "killing" the sync proces, but activesync will still run. same with gps apps and so on. of course some poceses (system) can not been stoped.
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If you wanna get into it:
I could be wrong, but i think the system sends a WM_SYSTEM_SUSPEND (or something similar) message to all apps running, so each app does what it wants (some ignore it and run, some stop displaying stuff but still compute, play music and some stop everything, depending on their purpose)
examples:
- app that gets mail ignores the message or stops displaying stuff
- app that plays music keeps playing but no visualization
- app for im still gets messages but no visualization
(those are true assuming programmers that made those apps did a good job for power saving - maybe system stops displaying anyway, even if apps don't)
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your "spam" is making sense to me. and maybe there is a way to force some apps to ignore that command (or what ever it is).
i see ye that makes sense - alot like win32 - i really need to read the wm6 sdk
Oh, i just saw that BatteryStatus also has screen off in tray icons, and i find it useful anyway, so maybe give it a try(search forum for latest version)
Phone / MP3 Player in My Pocket
With the availability of 6GB, and soon bigger microSD cards, we can now reasonably use our Tilts as true MP3 players and discard our IPods.
I for one would like a solution, I hope to use my Tilt while Skiing this season. The Tilt will be in my jacket pocket and I will be using a Bluetooth Stereo Headset. However, if we cannot lock the phone while it is in our pocket, then we will be unable to use it in this fashion.
I for one do not have the knowledge to fix this problem, but am hoping one of the bright coders here will find a solution for me and others.
The gps is also turned off when the device is suspended.
I've just started using s2u2. (the newer low mem version of the popular slide to unlock.)
This has the advantage of being assignable to a key, can turn off the screen and lock the device all in one go.
pjam
I've found that you can still have the device in standby and listen to audio if either of the following are true:
- you are using a headset connected to the miniUSB connection
- you are using an A2DP stereo headset and press the button the corresponds to controlling start/stop of the audio after you put the device in standby. In my case, this works fine with my Plantronics 590.
This topic is dead a long time ago, but I found it, and still got confused ...
What drive me crazy is that: my Hermes (8525) still keeps wifi on even when the power is off (I dont use any kind of Tweak, just flash a cooked ROM, I tried w/ 2 different ROM). But my Kaiser doesn't!
Hello all,
I just got my AT&T Tilt and love it so far, except for one major annoyance. When I press the power button, the device will turn the screen back on after a few seconds to a few minutes. The problem is when it's in my pocket, it can accidentally call people. My 8125 and 8525 did not experience this issue.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Button lock
It sounds as though the phone isn't set to lock all buttons except the power button when it is in standby. This happened to me last time I re-flashed my Wizard, and I couldn't figure out for ages why my battery was draining so quickly as well!
Settings > Buttons > Lock
Hmm, not seeing any option under Buttons or Lock. I do remember this setting from WM5. It does appear, however, that the buttons are not turning the phone on, it's just waking up even if I leave it on a desk.
You can add lock to the home screen
first press and hold the hang-up button so that it locks. Then just push the power button once. This puts it in standby.
There is a idle timeout for going on standby mode, but I can't find a setting to auto-lock.
JBHorne said:
When I press the power button, the device will turn the screen back on after a few seconds to a few minutes.
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Are you paired to a Bluetooth device? I see similar behavior in my 8525 when in my car - the BT car kit does stuff which "wakes" the 8525
Richard
Try this leaving Google Maps On the Screen
Hi Guys,
I get this behavior when I have Google Maps running. It will even cycle the screen on and off a couple times.
nope and nope. just sitting on the today screen.
JBHorne said:
When I press the power button, the device will turn the screen back on after a few seconds to a few minutes.
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I have the very same problem.
However, my girlfriend whom I also bought a Tilt for, her's doesn't do it.
We've installed all the same software too, so I'm a little puzzled.
start>settings>system> key lock. set it to lock all buttons except power.
rzanology said:
start>settings>system> key lock. set it to lock all buttons except power.
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Hmmm.. yeah, umm my key lock is already set to lock all buttons except power.
The problem isn't with when you press a button it comes on. The problem is the phone turns on by itself, sitting on a table, nothing being pressed, no new email, no new sms, just lights up and that's it.
JonRick said:
Hmmm.. yeah, umm my key lock is already set to lock all buttons except power.
The problem isn't with when you press a button it comes on. The problem is the phone turns on by itself, sitting on a table, nothing being pressed, no new email, no new sms, just lights up and that's it.
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Any number of applications might be starting the device, from weather apps to calendar, diary, time sync etc etc. For example, HTCs weather app will do it depending on how often you have it set to another example I came across from someone was TREO ALERTS that contains a script "refresh.mscr" and it was set up refresh time 30 seconds (this was turning his TyTn II on by itself).
Mike
hard reset and try again.
i'm betting that none of these suggestions were helpful (except the one about some application generating a wakeup event without any other visual notifications).
i was having the same problem, but i just tried to narrow down which running program was causing the events. it's one of:
* wireless manager
* messaging
* IM
my guess is IM; i'm going to test that out in a second.
well, it's none of the above. still seems to wake up randomly anywhere from 15 seconds to several minutes.
seems to happen more frequently when it's just been turned off.
Even if you were to find what was turing the phone back on, this can still be a problem just from normal use... obviously, you WANT the phone to turn on for things like a call coming in. The solution for people like us who stick our phones in our pockets is to "lock" the phone. But for whatever reason, the Tilt doesn't lock the phone while holding down the end key. That means the only convenient way to lock it is to keep the lock function on the today screen, wasting space. Hopefully someone can find a way to allow the end key to lock the device on the Tilt just like the unbranded device.
dscline said:
Even if you were to find what was turing the phone back on, this can still be a problem just from normal use... obviously, you WANT the phone to turn on for things like a call coming in. The solution for people like us who stick our phones in our pockets is to "lock" the phone. But for whatever reason, the Tilt doesn't lock the phone while holding down the end key. That means the only convenient way to lock it is to keep the lock function on the today screen, wasting space. Hopefully someone can find a way to allow the end key to lock the device on the Tilt just like the unbranded device.
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i'm fine with using the lock function, but it still turns on randomly, using battery, and eventually unnecessarily yellowing the screen from backlight aging. my next approach is to check out the notification queue, using a notification cleaner app.
So i am having a similar problem. When i press the power button, the phone's screen turns off but when the keyboard slides, it turns back on... is there a way to make it so the keyboard sliding does not turn on the device? I think the keyboard slides around a little when in my pocket and i hate pushing 3 buttons to unlock my phone... thanks
I was having the same problem.
This is an issue with the ATT rom. Flash over HTC rom and you will be all set.
I have been having the same problem as well. I just installed this DeviceLock program:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305402
If you enable the "Lock on Wake" option, the device will be locked when it wakes up, so the backlight stays off and you won't call anyone by accidentally hitting buttons.
Also, I ran across this related thread you might want to check out (basically talking about the same thing, but for the TyTn II):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341419
I finally found a power utility to restart the device via on screen selection that looks good too. However, one other function I need it to do is shut down without having to press the side button for 5 seconds and then confirm with on screen touch.
I've read in other theads that ShutXP is meant to fully switch off the device but on my v1615 it simply switches the display off (locks the screen etc, just as if the power button was depressed momentarily).
Is there a bug with the v1615 (Vodafone branded TyTn II/Kaiser) and this tool? Does anyone else have a Kaiser and the ShutXP tool and experience this issue? Perhaps I have something else installed which is causing it not to shutdown properly??
I've noticed a DWORD registry entry for ShutXP in HKLM\Software\PPCSpft\psShutXP\VideoPowerOff which has a default value of 0. Setting this to 1 doesn't seem to make a difference to any of the features.
OK, I'll ask it in a slightly different way as I've done a little more searching around and cannot find any tools to do this...
How do you switch off the TyTn II without pressing the side power button?
i.e. have a shortcut in the HTC Launcher which powers down the device similar to psShutXP but not just to sleep??
I'm talking about completely switching the device off - not just putting it to sleep. Pressing the power button for more than 4 seconds allows you to switch the device off, completely.
PS shutxp
Have you heard of PSShutXP??
Have used it before... does what you desrcibe...
http://ppcsoft.narod.ru/english/
philje123 said:
Have you heard of PSShutXP??
Have used it before... does what you desrcibe...
http://ppcsoft.narod.ru/english/
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Did you read, what he posted? Does NOT what he describes.
vigilante_xix said:
OK, I'll ask it in a slightly different way as I've done a little more searching around and cannot find any tools to do this...
How do you switch off the TyTn II without pressing the side power button?
i.e. have a shortcut in the HTC Launcher which powers down the device similar to psShutXP but not just to sleep??
I'm talking about completely switching the device off - not just putting it to sleep. Pressing the power button for more than 4 seconds allows you to switch the device off, completely.
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PsShutXP is not able to do that. I think it isn't even possible with any software. (AFAIK)
Thanks johanromijn, couldn't think of any other way of making it any more clearer...
I've read somewhere about a command prompt interface on the ppc which can emulate many functions. Do you know about this? I'm sure it could do many power functions but I can't for the life of me find the same one I read about.
Pressing the button simply sends a software command so perhaps it can be captured and saved to a shortcut on the touch screen. I could understand the difficulty if it were a hardware switch! Unfortunatly, the button capture software I've used doesn't register the button press and the device just warns me about loosing any unsaved data before powering off - screen capture attached.
I just don't want to waste battery unnecessarily over night or elsewhere when the device isn't required to be on.
Anyone got any suggestions??
Same problem On HTC P3470
Hi All,
i have same problem with my HTC P3470
i tried about 4 or 5 other applications that same result appears. some of them needed .net framework. but the peroblem still remain after installing .net farmework. i think it's become a dream to shutdown our wm6 via screen tap
mehrzad_64 said:
Hi All,
i have same problem with my HTC P3470
i tried about 4 or 5 other applications that same result appears. some of them needed .net framework. but the peroblem still remain after installing .net farmework. i think it's become a dream to shutdown our wm6 via screen tap
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Given that you'd normally need to press the power button to get it out of powersaving mode before doing any screen tapping anyway, other than the fact shutting the device down takes 5 seconds more, I don't see any advantage to having a fully screen tap method of powering off. In fact, to the contrary, it may result in unwanted accidental shutdowns eg when putting the device in pockets etc when the screen may accidentally be touched/tapped in the wrong place if not put into powersaving mode first.
Install 888PowerOff it will put a shortcut that you can place where you want in the start menu etc, still asks for verification but still faster than power button
Maybe you should just hire someone to do the work for you. Powering the phone off by holding a button is very hard work.
Lots of reasons
I'ts not as if you can't set the attribute of the shortcut to hidden and call it, to schedule it, or in my case, I'd like to use PhoneAlarm to trigger it when to power gets down to 10%, still allowing me to make outbound calls, that is if I'm not obsessively watching my battery while people I don't really need to talk to are calling me.
Not to mention with WinMo, I'm always telling people 'just hang on.' I can't even power down as fast as they can.
If I assign it to a long-press on another hardware key I can just reach in my pocket and press; I don't have to dig the thing out, hold the button for what on my unit comes out to 7 sec, tap, and put the thing back. Discretion is always nice.
I'd really prefer to skip the whole PowerOffWarning.exe/ShutXP bit, and just power off. My phone is not my heart, it can stop for a few minues once in a while.
Power off HTC TyTN II by software
I have the same question with my HTC TyTn II and have researched it for a few weeks now; even contacted HTC technical support - but they did not an answer. I did find a software that will fully power down the device (XdaShutdown).
But since I have had other HTC smartphones, Blacberry devices, etc., that would definitely fully power-off (not just the screen or go into Standby mode, etc.) - what I was really looking for is an app that would power-off the device at a scheduled time. Used to have a program called CTScheduler which did this on my former Smartphone (WM5). But this app does not seem to work on WM6.
If most Smartphones and Blackberry devices can do (either by 3rd party app or within the device itself...) scheduled power-off-- why can't some of these HTC Pocket PC devices be made to do same?
GCorbo said:
I have the same question with my HTC TyTn II and have researched it for a few weeks now; even contacted HTC technical support - but they did not an answer. I did find a software that will fully power down the device (XdaShutdown).
But since I have had other HTC smartphones, Blacberry devices, etc., that would definitely fully power-off (not just the screen or go into Standby mode, etc.) - what I was really looking for is an app that would power-off the device at a scheduled time. Used to have a program called CTScheduler which did this on my former Smartphone (WM5). But this app does not seem to work on WM6.
If most Smartphones and Blackberry devices can do (either by 3rd party app or within the device itself...) scheduled power-off-- why can't some of these HTC Pocket PC devices be made to do same?
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CTscheduler is still out there, but now for wm6.1 and 6.5
link:
http://www.connectivetools.com/ctscheduler.html#
does everything you said and now more
Hello,
I've tried searching for an answer on this, but no sucess until now.
My Diamond 2 turns on its screen when it looses and get radio signal back. That is a good feature but the annoying thing is if I enter in a lift with the cell phone in my pocket, it will loose signal, turn screen on and the contact with my pocket will give it "crazy" commands that will mess it up or even call someone.
Is there a way (maybe via Registry Editing) to force it to never turn on the screen unless I press the power button? At least, an option to do nothing in case of signal loss?
Thank you.
Robert
I've just done a few experiements and if I lose signal and it returns, nothing happens. However, perhaps it would help you if you get into the habit of locking your phone before you press power. To do this hold the home button down for a second or so. The phone will buzz and it'll be locked.
Thank you. That's what I will do whenever I put the phone in my pocket. It is still not the best solution, even because I use my D2 to receive emails from work so I am forced to type a password to unlock it after sliding to unlock.
I know there is a Registry key to auto lock, but I prefer doing that manually as you said.
Which ROM are you using? In both original HTC English and now TOM's 2.02.1 it always turn screen on when looses and get signal back.
Thanks.
I'm using the original HTC. I've tried it again, I go to a place where I know I'll lose signal, wait until it does, then press power off. I go back into signal and nothing happens on the device. Only when I press power on does it come back on and show that I have signal. If I do it the other way, press off before I go out of signal, then the behaviour is the same (though I have to just wait and assume signal has been lost, since I can't see it!). Is it perhaps that the phone is set to light up when it receives a certain bit of data (such as a push email), which it's more prone to getting when it comes back into signal? Incidentally, it's 'lose', not 'loose'
I get similar behaviour after setting the phone to stream internet radio and then turning it off and putting in my pocket. Sometimes, after signal loss, I get it out and notice it's turned on and random things have happened due to screen contact.
Funny thing is, I've tried locking the phone too, and exactly the same thing happens. what's the point of a phone lock if it doesn't (lock)!
I've not associated it with a particular event except signal loss. But, when it's not lost the signal, I don't take it out of my pocket, so perhaps it's happening other times without me noticing.
Anybody with an idea to completely lock the phone will be my hero.
And, whilst we're on the subject of annoying traits, is there a way to get rid of the wretched WM "cannot connect with current settings" dialogue which appears after a few failed attempts to reconnect to a 3G network? I find this *really* annoying when all it takes is a few more attempts...
Hi
When the signal is lost or regained the phone is triggered to turn on, but in "unattended" mode. The phone will be on and applications will run however unattended mode is just that, and so no user input is accepted and the screen is not turned on, and the owner will have no idea the phone has switched on. After a short period of time the phone will enter sleep again. In fact many times a day the phone will be turning on in unattended mode without you knowing for one reason or another.
The problem with the phone awaking fully is going to be due to an application or feature you are using. The application will start running when the phone enters unattended mode and is for some reason raising the power state to fully on, this is due to bad programming as it isn't suppose to do this unless it has an alert and needs to show the screen and wait for a response, even then it should give the option for this to be disabled.
Incidently a lot battery problems where the battery doesn't seem to last very long can be due to applications keeping the phone running in unattended mode, so while the phone looks off the processor is still on allowing applications to run, this very quickly drains the battery.
You need to find the application causing the problem then get in touch with the author.
Regards
Phil
Thanks for that, Phil. Understanding is the first step to sorting a problem out. I wasn't aware there was an "inbetween" state.