EDIT: OK, THE GAMES ARE NOT CRAP! THE CONTROLS ARE DIFFICULT! (how's that )
I'm not sure if this is possible, but the scroll wheel is a heat pad. So could it work in such a way that it's a directional D-pad?
It would need some programming to translate scroll-wheel positions to D-Pad directions. But this would be awsome for games as you no longer have to press, and you can control things much smoother.
thoughts?
Some combination of that for up/down and the accelometer for left/right would be badass.
Lots of fun looking 3d racing/flying games about, and I always crash into the first object or end up pressing home trying to turn.
Thats nice, start by saying all the games are crap, that'll get the devs on your side.
that was meant to grab attention - I'm a developer myself and I own a Diamond 'cos I love it.
And more to the point, i meant the controls are crap, guess I could have worded that better
Okay. Well I beleive the current API just tells you thinks like RPM and amount of scorlling, not your actual position on the device which would be useless for games. Does anyone have more detail on this?
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is any way to remap that scroller on the side to do something more useful like adjust volume or anything? if i want to scroll i can use the little d-pad or the stylus, that thing is just wasting space.
I agree!
Adjusting the volume would be great.
typhoone said:
is any way to remap that scroller on the side to do something more useful like adjust volume or anything? if i want to scroll i can use the little d-pad or the stylus, that thing is just wasting space.
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and adding weight... its terrible i tell ya... TERRIBLE...
no but seriously i thought the same exact thing when i bought the phone. now.. i just dont even bother with it.
Volume control would be really handy.
You can adjust the volume with it.
yep, you can adjust the volume with it whilst on a call.
I guess you mean adjust the volume of the ring or the windows sounds - not sure if this is poss or not
i know exactly what you mean....you want it just like the old cingular 8125 was ...instead of a wheel it was more of like a switch that went up or down to adjust volume at any time.
i use that wheel all the time for scrolling. It's WAY faster to navigate than the dpad, ...
Useless is as usless does - scroll wheel and/or tiny OK button
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is any way to remap that scroller on the side to do something more useful like adjust volume or anything? if i want to scroll i can use the little d-pad or the stylus, that thing is just wasting space.
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I certainly don't use the scroll wheel as much as I probably should . . . but what about the OK button below the scroll wheel? Talk about useless . . . I don't think I've ever used it except to test it or try to map something useful to it - I truly don't see the point of that button when there's a perfectly good OK button right by the D-pad
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I certainly don't use the scroll wheel as much as I probably should . . . but what about the OK button below the scroll wheel? Talk about useless . . . I don't think I've ever used it except to test it or try to map something useful to it - I truly don't see the point of that button when there's a perfectly good OK button right by the D-pad
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i honestly didn't even know that button was there.....wtf. lol
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I certainly don't use the scroll wheel as much as I probably should . . . but what about the OK button below the scroll wheel? Talk about useless . . . I don't think I've ever used it except to test it or try to map something useful to it - I truly don't see the point of that button when there's a perfectly good OK button right by the D-pad
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Both the wheel and the ok button are there for blackberry device users who use those two input devices as a good 80% of their navigation.
Only problem, blackberry device users try to use the kaiser like a blackberry and find out it sucks in that aspect, and exchange it so they can get their old crackberry back. And PDA users are used to using the other 20 pre-existing ways to navigate the device without using the wheel and OK button.
I feel sorry for those poor wheel/button sometimes.
I like to just play with it sometimes when its in my pocket or i have my phone locked and use it for useless fun.
It's all about choice, isn't it? If you're used to d-pads you probably never go near that wheel, or the little ok button by it. If, like me, you're used to Symbian UIQ phones, which just happen to have a wheel and a "back" (same as ok) button exactly where the Kaiser's are, they're a godsend. Because I'm used to them being the primary controller (no d-pad on a Sony Ericsson P910, or M600i), I use them all the time - the d-pad is just a nice extra. Without them, I'd probably struggle, at least to begin with.
I think HTC have just put a lot of thought into how different people use these devices, and tried to cater for as many as possible.
Try AE Button Plus!
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i honestly didn't even know that button was there.....wtf. lol
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I use the button alot. Maybe because my hands are large I find that using it to ok/close is more comfortable than pressing the one on the face of the device.
For right handed use, anyways. and for picsel browser its mapped to page zooming, so... Its quite handy.
Hi all.
Of late I deceided to try out some QVGA Java games on my Kaiser and I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised at the sheer quality and volume of the midlets available.
Now my Kaiser can run most of them without issue using the D-pad in portrait mode (Landscape is not an option as the Games are 240x320!), but I have come across many games that really do need the use of more of the phone pad buttons i.e. we have buttons 2,4,6 and 8 for directional movement (in most games) with number 5, being the Action key..great! But in many of the more advanced games, one really needs access to some of the numbers (0,1,3,7 & 9)and or characters (* & #).
Mein
In short, after reading Menneisyys's incredibly detailed and informative 'Button Enhancer Bible & great button config tips for Opera Mobile / Mini users', I am still no closer to understanding how to map and hardware buttons to application specific PQzII vitual buttons.
I really need some help here if there are any gurus here in this department.
I must stress the importance of this for me. I love the polished look and feel of Java games over the purpose built Pocket PC games and also love how virtually most apps are less than 1/2 a megabyte!!
Space saver or what? Besides my 2 children both have the HTC Wizard and are desperately wanting Dad to get this sorted...so please help an old fella out or take pity on my kids who are currently Javaless. lol.
No seriously any help is truly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
bump......
I'm not aware of any guides - the one coming with PQzII is pretty bad. Moreover, the GUI isn't really intuitive, unless you already know some other button enhancer tool. However, if you just play with PQzII, you'll surely learn it. It took me too some half an hour to learn its GUI.
Let me know if you don't succeed at it and I post a more detailed review as soon as I have some free time. (Dunno when - I'm very-very busy.)
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I'm not aware of any guides - the one coming with PQzII is pretty bad. Moreover, the GUI isn't really intuitive, unless you already know some other button enhancer tool. However, if you just play with PQzII, you'll surely learn it. It took me too some half an hour to learn its GUI.
Let me know if you don't succeed at it and I post a more detailed review as soon as I have some free time. (Dunno when - I'm very-very busy.)
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Oh well...not to worry. I'll keep at it. Thank you very much for replying though, it's appreciated.
For anyone else interested, Vito Button Mapper is supposed to be the best application for application specific button mapping...so I'm trying the trial version of that too. If anyone knows how to get this going foe Opera mini too, that would be great. Cheers.
TO DEVELOPERS:
Do anyone think to develop a vibrating feedback system on touch, such as samsung omnia or other samsung touch screen? it should bee useful for sms and call sending...
I agree!! Would be really usefull!
i agree as well it isnt very difficult as someone did do it on my n95
Yeah would be really great!!
I like this idea but I imagine it would be a battery drain.
You would be better off sticking with sound until a more bulletproof batter is invented.
bullet proof batter - now thats gonna be a tough pancake
in polaris thread there was a program called VOA.exe this program makes it possible when u press akey or button or letter the phone vibrates and also its simple to use !! u can download it from here:
http://mahmood1.com/Documents/vibrate.rar
afer downloading unrar and put it in anywhere and make a shortcut in windows/startup folder and restart device or start the VOA.exe. if u don't like just delete the link in startup folder and thats it !! its only 2 KB !!
Has anybody tested this software for Diamond?
I will try and give feedback....
Gerry
HTC said they tried this (haptic feedback) and it sucked, so I don't think we need to doubt them.
it work on my diamond , vibration is strong too
It works, but I really don't like it, I found it too strong
Yeah it works, but maybe the application needs to be re-programmed a bit.
Are there any programmers that could do this? Options like:
- simple but usable interface
- Duration settings
- Strongness settings
- Choose which application must have vibration feedback
would be nice.
damn that's just plain awful to have running. Thank god that HTC decided not to include that on the Diamond.
(PS: the implementation on Omnia is way better than this one though, but still annoying).
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in polaris thread there was a program called VOA.exe this program makes it possible when u press akey or button or letter the phone vibrates and also its simple to use !! u can download it from here:
http://mahmood1.com/Documents/vibrate.rar
afer downloading unrar and put it in anywhere and make a shortcut in windows/startup folder and restart device or start the VOA.exe. if u don't like just delete the link in startup folder and thats it !! its only 2 KB !!
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it was not a bad program, at least the author got the right direction. It only needs some polish:
Instead of hooking onto the screen touch event, the vibration should be active by "focus" and "unfocus" events. Anyone one has played Wii will know, when the onscreen pointer focus to a new target(button) the little internal motor vibrate a tiny bit, just enough to let the user to know "yes, you hit the right spot"
mayby it's just a matter of tweaking... just try the Teeter -game, theres quite good feedback from the ball.
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mayby it's just a matter of tweaking... just try the Teeter -game, theres quite good feedback from the ball.
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yes, u are right.
ArtoD2 said:
mayby it's just a matter of tweaking... just try the Teeter -game, theres quite good feedback from the ball.
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I had try it.... feeling is good....
but how is the tweaking to be done???
any idea???
I think some of you guys started bashing this program too soon... sure, the vibration feedback in this case is annoying and sure enough puts quite a load on the battery because of the long vibration.
But, on the other hand, I used to have a "force feedback" mouse years ago, it had a small vibration motor just like our phones do, and it was AMAZING - you could FEEL window boundaries, buttons, even textures! If it was possible to make the Diamond vibrate just a tiny little bit, similar to what Teeter does, it could give a feedback close to how it feels to press a button.
Think about Teeter, you could imagine there's a tiny hard rubber ball inside the device with your eyes closed.
If there was a configurable, fast, memory-efficient vibration feedback I would pay money for it. The key issue is responsiveness, the vibration HAS TO occur immediately when the keypress or screen tap is registered, otherwise this haptic feedback feels way more sluggish than a visual feedback that comes a tenth of a second too late.
Please, programmers, do something, I lack time, experience and Visual Studio to do it myself.
I think some of you guys started bashing this program too soon... sure, the vibration feedback in this case is annoying and sure enough puts quite a load on the battery because of the long vibration.
But, on the other hand, I used to have a "force feedback" mouse years ago, it had a small vibration motor just like our phones do, and it was AMAZING - you could FEEL window boundaries, buttons, even textures! If it was possible to make the Diamond vibrate just a tiny little bit, similar to what Teeter does, it could give a feedback close to how it feels to press a button.
Think about Teeter, you could imagine there's a tiny hard rubber ball inside the device with your eyes closed.
If there was a configurable, fast, memory-efficient vibration feedback I would pay money for it. The key issue is responsiveness, the vibration HAS TO occur immediately when the keypress or screen tap is registered, otherwise this haptic feedback feels way more sluggish than a visual feedback that comes a tenth of a second too late.
Please, programmers, do something, I lack time, experience and Visual Studio to do it myself.
Only hooking the keys is possible on Windows Mobile.
So it is not possible to hook the mouse (touch on the touchscreen)...
Board, I am not a programmer, but I think a good idea would be to use the g sensor to allow you to scroll thru lists.
It would work by way of flicking the phone itself, like you would open a flip phone or shaking out a cigerette out of the box. That action (depending of how hard the flick was) would cause the list to scroll in that direction.
Is there any out ther like this?
Thanks for your time
Russell
I have to say what you're suggesting are quick subtle movements it would be next to impossible without excessive polling of the sensor, it would suck your battery in no time making it all but usable. It would also only work only on default windows scrollbar, not in touch optimized applications.
But I also have to say that things are impossible only so long before some oblivious fool stands up and do it
Already Exists...
A program like this already exists. I think its caled g-controller or something like that. Just google it
I have been reading this site for just about a year now. I think this might be my first post! If I missed this with my searches, please give me the correct terms to search with.
I like the idea of "GScroll", but the only feature of this application that was appealing to me was the "double tap" for instant applications.
I realize that this is only $4.99.
I also have been reading on how unreliable this application is! I do not want to waste my money....
Can anyone here make a simple to install (cab) that has something similar to this feature of GScroll? But more reliable!
Thanks!!
I myself bought gscroll and have had no problems with it. Like u i mostly wanted to be able to edit the capacitive buttons. But i have gotten to where i really like the task switcher also. If you have more than one program running u can simply swipe ur finger across the buttons and get a nifty task switcher like ALT+TAB in windows.
Agreed. gScroll is the best $5 software I have ever purchased. The funny thing is, the name implies that it is for using the g-sensor for scrolling by tilting. That's the unreliable part and the one I have disabled.
The app switcher is, perhaps, the best feature on the phone. I can now officially laugh at iPhone users that can't even run two apps at once, and we get a swipe to switch in between? Shoot, it's not even funny.
The double tap launch is also great. I've got all 5 zones set up to launch a browser, podcatcher, the camera, hTorch flashlight and a 'close' current program button. It is easy to accidentally launch a program with this, but it's not horrible. The convenience is better than the risk of launching an errant program. Between this and editing the long press values of the touchpad keys & PTT button, there are 12 customizable commands at our fingertips. The start menu becomes a rare occurrence.
Also, I have the right side of the touchpad working like my d-pad and the left side running the screen scrolling. I now touch the actual screen much less, and have a reliable d-pad... really, it's sweet.
Anyway, I say it's worth it... don't back away just because the tilt scrolling feature doesn't work worth a darn. Even if it did, it's just not intuitive.
Thanks for the assuring responses!
It looks like I will be purchasing GScroll soon!
~J
Yeah, I don't use the launcher much, but in my experience it works pretty well; you do get the occasional accidental launch, but you're going to get that with anything, aren't you? The g-scrolling has never really worked for me, and I haven't tried it in a couple months. Finger scrolling is pretty easy, so I don't think it's all that necessary.