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T-Mobile - deceptive advertising

Warning for anyone taking out a Kaiser/Vario III on T-Mobile:
"The Vario III is a stylish and powerful pocket PC offering one of the best mobile internet experiences on the market - with 1.8MBps HSDPA, surfing and downloading is super fast."
This is a lie. T-Mobile have disabled the HSDPA on all new connections, unless you pay an extra £5/month for Web n Walk Plus. They are doing bait-and-switch.
They claimed to me I would not notice the difference because the data is compressed or some such lies. They said they cannot enable it, even though my existing line has it enabled. They claimed they would be removing it from existing customers on Web N Walk.
T-Mobile make NO MENTION on their site of the fact that if you want to make full use of your phone, you need to pay an extra £180 over the course of the contract for the cheapest contract, to get the feature of the phone that you have paid for.
They don't care. They don't inform people.
A complaint has been submitted to Trading Standards about their website's lies.

Well, you certainly got a point about T-mobile trying to shake as much money from you as possible, but they don't exacly lie about the capabilities of the phone.

I can empathize, but £5 per month is not that much for a higher level of service. I'd rather have such a tiering system where higher users pay a small amount more than to have ridiculously low fair use limits like O2 and Vodafone.
This way - pay less, get less. Pay more, get more.
Its clearer this way.
BTW, isnt it an extra £90 (£5x18)?
Surur

ionide said:
Well, you certainly got a point about T-mobile trying to shake as much money from you as possible, but they don't exacly lie about the capabilities of the phone.
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Agreed and althought it is £90 you are also likely to get money off the phone in the first place for being on a more expensive tariff.

Although it may not be technically a lie, this is just another typical example of misleading ads to attract gullible punters. Yes you would be naive to get into an expensive phone/contract combination before reading the small print. But I do sympathise; the statement makes it very easy to believe you get HSDPA out of the box, which you don't unless you have the right contract.

ionide said:
Well, you certainly got a point about T-mobile trying to shake as much money from you as possible, but they don't exacly lie about the capabilities of the phone.
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They do, because it's locked to T-Mobile, and on T-Mobile's advertised tariff, it is NOT capable of HSDPA.
So it is not actually capable of HSDPA.
And I agree that their tariffs are very reasonably priced. I just think they should be honest and up-front, and not promote several phones as having 'super-fast HSDPA internet', without explaining anywhere that the 'web n walk' they promote people to get doesn't let you do that, and not explaining anywhere that you won't get HSDPA without paying more money.

Modgy said:
Although it may not be technically a lie, this is just another typical example of misleading ads to attract gullible punters. Yes you would be naive to get into an expensive phone/contract combination before reading the small print. But I do sympathise; the statement makes it very easy to believe you get HSDPA out of the box, which you don't unless you have the right contract.
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Nope, that's where you're wrong.
The issue is, there is no small print. I have no problems with an advert saying 'super-fast internet with HSDPA (*)' and then in tiny writing saying 'only on Web N Walk Max Plus tariff'.
Read all of T-Mobile's website, nowhere does it say that you have to get Web N Walk Plus to get HSDPA.
If you look at this, for instance:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/content/business/uk/business-1/flash/t-mobile-1plan-landing-calculator.swf
and select Data, it says 'All data bundles are HSDPA enabled'

surur said:
I can empathize, but £5 per month is not that much for a higher level of service.
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Agreed, it's a reasonable charge, but not if you sign people up first and tell them later.
BTW, isnt it an extra £90 (£5x18)?
Surur
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Nope.
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobi...onthly/t-mobile/mda-vario-iii/webnwalk/plans/
£22.50 for Flext 20 + Web N Walk
There's no Flext 20 with the WNW+, so you have to get Flext 25:
£32.50 for Flext 25 + Web N Walk Plus

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So it is not actually capable of HSDPA.
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Getting a bit into semantics here, but the phone is still "capable" of HSDAP (from the technical viewpoint - capable refers to a possibility) - all it needs is activation.

thelawnet said:
Agreed, it's a reasonable charge, but not if you sign people up first and tell them later.
Nope.
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobi...onthly/t-mobile/mda-vario-iii/webnwalk/plans/
£22.50 for Flext 20 + Web N Walk
There's no Flext 20 with the WNW+, so you have to get Flext 25:
£32.50 for Flext 25 + Web N Walk Plus
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Ah, I understand.
Surur

The issue is, there is no small print
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You are right, I was confused with the other "perks" of WnW+. The link however only takes me to the Business 1 Plan, which I don't think is related to the WnW plans. Would be interesting to find out if anyone on a Business 1 Plan can confirm/deny HSDPA access.
It has actually taken me ages to find out about the HSDPA situation; it was only on this and other forums that I learned what TM have been telling people through Customer Services. Not nice.
That's why I'm on PAYG, everything else is just not worth the hassle to me

Getting a bit into semantics here, but the phone is still "capable" of HSDAP
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Yeah well, that it can do that is widely known, I don't think anybody need T-Mobile to tell them this. It's the fact that you have to bend over backwards to find out how that hurts.

On the first day of upgrading to my Vario 3 I rang T-mobile and asked for HSDPA to be enabled.
This was done with them only asking one question "are you going to connect your phone to your laptop?" naturally I said "no" and she enabled it...no fuss...no muss...
I have heard of the problems some people have had but as previously stated no where does it require you to upgrade to web and walk plus.

Might be too early to know, but does that mean, that if the HSDPA is not enabled, then it wont display an H symbol? only G and 3G?
I tried to go to some sites that check broadband speed, but the java wouldnt load up.. anybody know of a site that works on PIE?

dhpotter said:
Might be too early to know, but does that mean, that if the HSDPA is not enabled, then it wont display an H symbol? only G and 3G?
I tried to go to some sites that check broadband speed, but the java wouldnt load up.. anybody know of a site that works on PIE?
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http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/ works if you have flash installed

If its not enabled it will only display the "3G" icon if you are connected online, once its enabled and online it will change to "H".

Thanks for the post jameson_uk.
I started a new contractlast week with T-mobile, buying off the webpage flext 35 with walk n talk (£7.50) and my H seems to come up, occasionaly it goes to 3g.
I havent enabled anything yet? wonder if there was a threshold value they put it on? or if they havent disabled the webpage hi speed enabling yet.

wow in Europe they charge you to use HSDPA? Here in the states is use it if its available. Sprint (CDMA) has vision that works on 1xRtt at $15 and power vision EVDO also starting at $15. When RevA device is available, it will also be $15. AT&T has Media Max $20 for dumbphones, SmartMax $30 for smartphones and PDA personal max $40 fo PDA phones. It doesnt matter if you have 2G or 3G device or if its UMTS or HSDPA device. The cost is the same. Just the account has to provision it. Infact, my account is only provisioned for UMTS but my data connects to HSDPA. while tethering, google maps downloads new maps peak at 1.8mbps.

thelawnet said:
Warning for anyone taking out a Kaiser/Vario III on T-Mobile:
"The Vario III is a stylish and powerful pocket PC offering one of the best mobile internet experiences on the market - with 1.8MBps HSDPA, surfing and downloading is super fast."
This is a lie. T-Mobile have disabled the HSDPA on all new connections, unless you pay an extra £5/month for Web n Walk Plus. They are doing bait-and-switch.
They claimed to me I would not notice the difference because the data is compressed or some such lies. They said they cannot enable it, even though my existing line has it enabled. They claimed they would be removing it from existing customers on Web N Walk.
T-Mobile make NO MENTION on their site of the fact that if you want to make full use of your phone, you need to pay an extra £180 over the course of the contract for the cheapest contract, to get the feature of the phone that you have paid for.
They don't care. They don't inform people.
A complaint has been submitted to Trading Standards about their website's lies.
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I would like to see some kind of source to this before I give it any credence. I'm quite happily getting a full HSDPA connection on my standard WnW package, and the website still says it applies to all WnW packages. So, source?

FloatingFatMan said:
I would like to see some kind of source to this before I give it any credence. I'm quite happily getting a full HSDPA connection on my standard WnW package, and the website still says it applies to all WnW packages. So, source?
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http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/4wm-news/12652-t-mobile-remove-hsdpa-web-n-walk-basic-package.html

Australians please check this !!

Hey y'all,
I'm about to go to Australia for uni.. and i know my question is very much opinion based BUUUUT what company should i get my sim from ? which one offers the best things to ppl that study or dont have too much money?
would appreciate any help... !! Thanks aaaa lot !!
T3ku

How r ya mate. check out.
www.optus.com.au
and
http://www.telstra.com.au/
there the two big 1's

I'm with Telstra as they offer the best coverage and the fact that they give me data connections without costing alot is great so i can use my hd and laptop to use the net.
Vodafone give you great deals to, $29 and you get $150 of calls but i still think the Telstra one is better. When i was the vodafone one, they charge you around 50 cents per 30 seconds or something which is bull****.
Telstra with 40 bucks gives you 9000 seconds which is counted in 10 second increments i think. Also 150 free SMS and you can use that $40 to buy yourself extra calls or data.

Awesome!! Thanks for the replies...I'll check them out n take your comments into consideration..!!
Thanks again!!
Daniel

Au Mobile carriers
T3ku said:
Awesome!! Thanks for the replies...I'll check them out n take your comments into consideration..!!
Thanks again!!
Daniel
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Hi Daniel.
I quit Telstra 10 years ago because of poor service and hi cost.
Was with Vodafone for a long time but got a bill for $600 when I went over my plan last year. Voda don't let you know promptly and accurately where you stand with your usage, (easy to go over without knowing). Got no satisfaction from Voda and switched to Virgin.
Never tried Optus apart from prepaid.
Coverage is on par with Voda.
Virgin use the Optus network but give better rates and low cost data.
I went over my plan late last year and received a courtesy text to let me know. I had a very minor increase for going over substantially.
Am very happy with Virgin.

Good to hear different opinions !!!
Thanks a lot.

T3ku said:
Good to hear different opinions !!!
Thanks a lot.
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Been with Vodafone, Virgin then Three. Of these carriers I found Three to be the best for my needs. (e.g. cheap)
They have cheap caps and data usage costs are the lowest of all the carriers.
Only hitch is coverage. If you are in a metropolitan area you'll have no issues, but out of metro/low coverage areas you'll roam to Telstra's network and pay thru the @ss for the privilege of doing so.
Good place to start to compare the different plans available.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=943488
Three and Vodafone will likely be merging in Australia so this will affect prices & coverage.

Thanks Capeli ..

I started with a $10 per month/1GB plan with Virgin. Received two bills with about $1300 each in two different months. Managed both times to prove that I did not incur the usage as they claim. Be careful. They have ways to get you back big time. Now using Optus at twice the cost and same quota. Different billing system although the same company. No problem with Optus so far yet. If you want to research more on customer experiences with different Telco or evaluate different plans available, go here:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/

alright.. ill sure do some research first
thanks

Hey, so many Swiss come to AU for Uni.. like Dolph Lungdren he did Uni at Syd, anway just wondered why that is.
Vodaphone is best my friend. I have been with them all over 15years.
You can buy a SIM for $2 to start.
I'm on the $79 plan which gives you like $550 worth of calls, txt etc
I have not seen any other co. offer these sorta deals.
Telstra and Optus are known as the most expensive as they own everything telco related over here.
I guess you will need internet too, so I would strictly avoid Telstra & Optus for Broadband...
I think for $29 you get $150 worth of calls and text, which is awsome! on vodaphone.
I have only ever been over my $79 cap 1 time in 19mths, it costed me like $100, but you can easily dial 1512 to see how much you have used and how much left.. don't worry about that!

x86 said:
Hey, so many Swiss come to AU for Uni.. like Dolph Lungdren he did Uni at Syd, anway just wondered why that is.
Vodaphone is best my friend. I have been with them all over 15years.
You can buy a SIM for $2 to start.
I'm on the $79 plan which gives you like $550 worth of calls, txt etc
I have not seen any other co. offer these sorta deals.
Telstra and Optus are known as the most expensive as they own everything telco related over here.
I guess you will need internet too, so I would strictly avoid Telstra & Optus for Broadband...
I think for $29 you get $150 worth of calls and text, which is awsome! on vodaphone.
I have only ever been over my $79 cap 1 time in 19mths, it costed me like $100, but you can easily dial 1512 to see how much you have used and how much left.. don't worry about that!
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How much download quota do you get for your phone plan?

x86 said:
Hey, so many Swiss come to AU for Uni.. like Dolph Lungdren he did Uni at Syd, anway just wondered why that is.
Vodaphone is best my friend. I have been with them all over 15years.
You can buy a SIM for $2 to start.
I'm on the $79 plan which gives you like $550 worth of calls, txt etc
I have not seen any other co. offer these sorta deals.
Telstra and Optus are known as the most expensive as they own everything telco related over here.
I guess you will need internet too, so I would strictly avoid Telstra & Optus for Broadband...
I think for $29 you get $150 worth of calls and text, which is awsome! on vodaphone.
I have only ever been over my $79 cap 1 time in 19mths, it costed me like $100, but you can easily dial 1512 to see how much you have used and how much left.. don't worry about that!
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I believe Mr. Lundgren is from Sweden xD a lot of ppl mix it up, so dont worry.
I will certainly compare and contrast all the different opinions u gave here... I'll even try to inform y'all on my final decision as soon as i signed with one of em..
Thanks again !

3g question

I was wondering, if I don't have Data Plan, would 3g be useful for me at all, or should I just turn it off.
I heard 3g helps call quality too, but not sure if it works for me, since I don't have data plan.
Edit: I have Tmobile and yes I have i have 3g in my area
Also, is there anyway to making dialer vibrate?
-Thanks

Nope no need for 3G without the data plan.

Aerik said:
I was wondering, if I don't have Data Plan, would 3g be useful for me at all, or should I just turn it off.
I heard 3g helps call quality too, but not sure if it works for me, since I don't have data plan.
Also, is there anyway to making dialer vibrate?
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Yep no data no 3g

It depends on your provider, obviously you need some some kind of data tariff, but not necessarily a "data plan". Where are you and who's your provider (In the UK I get 3G no problem on PAYG, but some places are mean).

I'm assuming tmo doesn't charge per mb... On my pay and go plan, data is £3/mb!! It's kinda annoying when flashing ROMs, as 3G normally gets enabled and I get charged for it :<

AdrianK said:
I'm assuming tmo doesn't charge per mb... On my pay and go plan, data is £3/mb!! It's kinda annoying when flashing ROMs, as 3G normally gets enabled and I get charged for it :<
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That is vicious, on my Virgin PAYG, as soon as use data any day it is 30p, then I can use up to 25MB, after that it is £2/MB. But if I top up £20 in one month, the next month I have 1GB of data, plus 6000 texts as a free bonus.

AdamPI said:
That is vicious, on my Virgin PAYG, as soon as use data any day it is 30p, then I can use up to 25MB, after that it is £2/MB. But if I top up £20 in one month, the next month I have 1GB of data, plus 6000 texts as a free bonus.
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That's a sweet deal! I'm a really light user, only top up £10/m, but I'll look in to Virgin. I was going to switch to vodaphone as the do the same one day browsing/25mb for 50p, but they don't have any reception in my area :-(
Thanks for the tip ;-)

Just wondering, do all carriers in the UK charge by the MB? No one at all offers unlimited data?

AdrianK said:
That's a sweet deal! I'm a really light user, only top up £10/m, but I'll look in to Virgin. I was going to switch to vodaphone as the do the same one day browsing/25mb for 50p, but they don't have any reception in my area :-(
Thanks for the tip ;-)
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Yeah I don't use too much, way too little for contract. I just top-up £20 at once though to get the bonus and then it lasts a while.
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Just wondering, do all carriers in the UK charge by the MB? No one at all offers unlimited data?
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Virgin actually call their offer unlimited, but it clearly isn't when you read the small print. There are various levels of "unlimited" for various prices, but if you are caning it then you'd get a contract plan.

@Adam - Thanks so much for the info on Virgin. I just saw that they offer 300 when you top up a tenner, which is why I was staying with crappy O2. Just ordered my SIM Now to find out if they have 3G in my area....

AdrianK said:
@Adam - Thanks so much for the info on Virgin. I just saw that they offer 300 when you top up a tenner, which is why I was staying with crappy O2. Just ordered my SIM Now to find out if they have 3G in my area....
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They're free now aren't they the Virgin SIMs, when I got mine it was 97p
Virgin run on T-mobile, so wherever they are Virgin are too. Plus that means my T-mobile locked G1 doesn't need unlocking.

Need some quick buying advice about mobile broadband in the US...

Hello all! I regard myself as reasonably tech-savvy when it comes to Mobile Internet in my own country (the UK) but I have a friend in America who is need of buying advice, and my knowledge of the american market is rather weak - I'm not even entirely clear who the major players are, and know nothing about their area coverage or price-plans. I'm wondering if someone could either offer some advice, or at least point us towards some reliable comparison websites...?
We're looking for something that allows mobile Internet access on a laptop PC, perhaps something like a 3G "dongle" that can be plugged into the USB port. The location will be in and around St Louis, Missouri. Data usage is likely to be fairly low, I would think - extensive web browsing and email, but not large-scale video downloads. Most importantly, we don't want to get locked into a long contract - it'll probably only be two months before my friend will be off to another (US) location which has fixed-line Internet available.
Any and all suggestions and discussions welcome.

The big 4 in the US are Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile. I'm not sure if you can get a month by month contract with them. I would suggest Boost Mobile, Virgin Mobile, or maybe a regional carrier like CellSouth or US Cellular. Does your friend already have a phone? If so, what is it? If not, be advised that on a no contract service agreement the carrier most likely will not subsidize the handset and you will pay full price for it.
Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Froyo-on-Hero action here!

as mention by the above poster the 4 big players are the cellular companies, but now it depends on his cost and also on the coverage

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as mention by the above poster the 4 big players are the cellular companies, but now it depends on his cost and also on the coverage
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Yeah, that's true, but I don't believe coverage will be an issue, as St. Louis is a major metro area. Pretty much everyone will cover it.
Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Froyo-on-Hero action here!

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Yeah, that's true, but I don't believe coverage will be an issue, as St. Louis is a major metro area. Pretty much everyone will cover it.
Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Froyo-on-Hero action here!
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You are right, so now it depends on the Cost that your friend is looking for

Thanks for the contributions so far. Please note that we are not looking for a phone, here, we're looking for a way to get a laptop computer to acquire a portable broadband connection. If we were in the UK then I would suggest a 3G "dongle" - I guess they must have those in the US too...?
As for budget, that's fairly limited - but I'd like to get a feel for what the options are, as in "x amount of money will buy you service y"; and, if possible get a suggestion about which deals are better value and which are not.

Shasarak said:
Thanks for the contributions so far. Please note that we are not looking for a phone, here, we're looking for a way to get a laptop computer to acquire a portable broadband connection. If we were in the UK then I would suggest a 3G "dongle" - I guess they must have those in the US too...?
As for budget, that's fairly limited - but I'd like to get a feel for what the options are, as in "x amount of money will buy you service y"; and, if possible get a suggestion about which deals are better value and which are not.
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Verizon has something know as Mifi and even At&t but i'm not sure if its contract free

Diamond_dawg said:
Verizon has something know as Mifi and even At&t but i'm not sure if its contract free
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I don't think it is. Just tell your friend to move next door to someone with an unsecure router and snag their signal. Free and no contract. Other than that, I don't think you can get what you're looking for without a contract. Still, if they sign on with a major carrier, they could take it with them when they move.
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Shasarak said:
Thanks for the contributions so far. Please note that we are not looking for a phone, here, we're looking for a way to get a laptop computer to acquire a portable broadband connection. If we were in the UK then I would suggest a 3G "dongle" - I guess they must have those in the US too...?
As for budget, that's fairly limited - but I'd like to get a feel for what the options are, as in "x amount of money will buy you service y"; and, if possible get a suggestion about which deals are better value and which are not.
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Virgin Mobile does prepaid mobile broadband without a contract. I believe you have to buy one of their USB dongles though.

Checkout Cricket Wireless. Their 3G Dongles start at $50 and they have monthly plans starting at $40/month.
http://www.mycricket.com/broadband/devices

loudjp said:
Checkout Cricket Wireless. Their 3G Dongles start at $50 after rebate and they have monthly plans starting at $40/month
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is it with contract or no contract, cuz the OP's friend want without contact i'm sure as its temporary and also rebates sound like a contract

Thanks guys. Cricket looks like the best deal so far. Virgin comes in a strong second. (Cricket pulls ahead thanks to the cheaper dongle price - still a little cheaper even if the dongle rebate falls through). Virgin's data allowance may be a bit more generous than Cricket's ("unlimited" vs "2.5GB") but I don't think this will affect my friend; Virgin's coverage outside metropolitan areas might also be better (although that's less clear).

Dumping Verizon

I'll be coming off-contract with my current UDP Verizon plan in a few weeks, and wanted some advice/recommendations for alternatives. I would prefer to keep UDP, but as I understand it they are going to raise the price by $30 per line (we have 2) once I come off, which will make my plan cost just under $200. I am sure I can do MUCH better than that, so I wanted to explore some options. I'd like to keep our Droid Turbos, since they are great and I have no reason to "upgrade" to something else... so the carrier would need to support these phones, of course (that's why I'm posting here).
Our data usage seems to be around 5-6GB/month (mostly music streaming) so I want to stay at least with that level... it may be hard to get my wife to learn how to be data-aware going forward, after being so used to unlimited.
I was thinking of Straight Talk, for example... but I am interested in any other suggestions. Data speed isn't super-critical, but overall coverage is important... I travel a lot around New England, mostly in CT and rural areas therein (I work in sales)... but I have a work-phone too, so I can afford to drop some coverage if required.
Again, any tips, recommendations are appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Have you looked into Google FI, it's not unlimited but you only pay for the data used.

Wife is on straight talk, it works okay but not as good of LTE coverage.

Hmm... can I use ProjectFI with this phone? I didn't think I could... I thought it was GSM-only? Have you used it... how are you liking it?
Straight Talk - thanks for the quick review on that. Again, I suppose the lesser LTE coverage may be ok... how's the rest of their service? Good coverage for phone, otherwise? And 3G?

You can renew your contracts before the billing cycle end date by purchasing subsided phones and keep UDP at $29.99. Read up friend:
https://www.reddit.com/r/VerizonUDP/wiki/index

schwinn8 said:
Hmm... can I use ProjectFI with this phone? I didn't think I could... I thought it was GSM-only? Have you used it... how are you liking it?
Straight Talk - thanks for the quick review on that. Again, I suppose the lesser LTE coverage may be ok... how's the rest of their service? Good coverage for phone, otherwise? And 3G?
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Decent coverage it is not quite as good.

schwinn8 said:
Hmm... can I use ProjectFI with this phone? I didn't think I could... I thought it was GSM-only? Have you used it... how are you liking it?
Straight Talk - thanks for the quick review on that. Again, I suppose the lesser LTE coverage may be ok... how's the rest of their service? Good coverage for phone, otherwise? And 3G?
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Project Fi is nexus/pixel phones only.

TheSt33v said:
Project Fi is nexus/pixel phones only.
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Sorta...
Data-only SIMs may work with devices that aren’t on our list. Devices need to be unlocked and work with T-Mobile (GSM radio). You can order a data-only SIM and test it out. However, we may not be able to help activate or troubleshoot these other devices.
Note on phones:

bqw371 said:
You can renew your contracts before the billing cycle end date by purchasing subsided phones and keep UDP at $29.99. Read up friend:
https://www.reddit.com/r/VerizonUDP/wiki/index
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Thanks for the info. I did the BB method 2 years ago to get my Turbo, which is why I'm here now. I don't think I have any subsidized upgrades available... is there a place to check if I have them available? I could certainly do the BB method and sell the phone... I don't want to go through the hassle of changing numbers around.
Fact is, I may have to just give up the UDP. Honestly, our usage is <6GB/month, and the "Verizon Plan" has an 8 + 2GB/line plan right now (ie 12GB/mo) for about $30 less than my UDP... so I may just give it up after all. But I'll keep digging into my options.