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Do you prefer a clean version of WM6 or with extra applications?
And which applications do you like?
C_shekar - I think you need some investigation which kind of soft user needs.
So let us post our vision of required soft preinstalled in ROM.
as far as I understand we taking about freeware.
My List:
1. Touch flo (if there are any possibility)
2. Dict
3. Alreader light 2\Hali reader
4. Total Commander Mobile
5. TCMP
6. Pdf - viewer
7. WM5-storage
8. Some sort of timer.
9. ICQ application (qip for example)
10. Gsplayer
11. Rar mobile
1. No RAM disk
2. 24MB Pagepool
3. TouchFlo
I think the ROM should stay clean, so the user can decide what apps he wants to add.
I think one can only add the HTC home tab thingie!
Cheers
divocak
no ram disk ??
man are you mad ?
for what reason you need all amount of RAM ?
Are you know that without ram-disk device SLOW DOWN ??
But I`ve agree to save some extra mem by lowering page poll. (I think 16 mb will be ok )
No, just leave the pagepool at 32 as I think it's neccessary to keep the Rom goes fast. No more software should be added I hope 'cause users can add them in later on. Just all the important fixes and patches. And that's all. Anyone want to personalize the ROM can do that by creating an extendedRom in their SD, is it, so just try to keep the version pure (one of the best exapmle is buzz 3.33). But, the ROMs that personalized before by certain developers are appreciated as well.
obaz said:
divocak
Are you know that without ram-disk device SLOW DOWN ??
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Oh i dont know that - i think that ram-disk is only for storage. thanx for info.
I agree. The upgrade rom should be a clean one so a person can choose exactly what software they require and will use. We must also remember that we all use our PPC for different reasons so there will never be a rom with software we all want or need.
Clean and Clear
Hello!!! Yes I think the WM6 should be clean version, if someone wants to install apps they can do so. The reason to keep the clean version is to make the device run faster.
Although there should be a clean version but also there should be a choice of software (seprately given). If need be people can install them on their Device.
Kind Regards
Jay
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
some softwares are necessary...
because not all of Himalaya users are goood at play the phone,they need it quick and all-in-one.
may be we can cook 2 ROMs,one clean version of WM6 and one with extra applications
Rudegar said:
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
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But not installing extra software will give choice to people what to install and what not to install. Dont you think it would be a good idea to leave it to people regardless of space or memory issues?
Kind Regards
Jay
very very clean please
What I personally use from 2003 and 2005 ROMs is:
phone
contacts
notes
tasks
calender
SMS
activesync
camera
windows media
bluetooth for mono headset, gps receiver, audio over car radio (behaves like mono headset and mutes for phone or navigation)
connection manager
picture viewer
sometimes Word, wouldn't miss it
Never used:
games
download agent
file explorer
gprs on/off
internet explorer
internet sharing
modem link
search
Powerpoint
WM5torage
email
Very unwelcome: certificates
I do use all settings from the tabs Personal and System, from the connections settings I only use Bluetooth
But -although a contradiction to my wish for a very clean ROM- I do believe that not only I, but most of us do like some features like smartdial, TouchFlo, PDF, VERY LOUD ringtones and repeating alerts for notifications, missed calls, missed txt messages and so on. And localisation would be very welcome too.
Theoretically it would be best if either during the flash operation or at first boot after flashing it would be possible to make your own selections using some kind of wizard/script that would be intelligent enough to warn for example that the help files will no longer be available if you remove IE, that probably SMS will no longer be available if email program is not installed (I guess).
Maggy said:
What I personally use from 2003 and 2005 ROMs is:
phone
contacts
notes
tasks
calender
SMS
activesync
camera
windows media
bluetooth for mono headset, gps receiver, audio over car radio (behaves like mono headset and mutes for phone or navigation)
connection manager
picture viewer
sometimes Word, wouldn't miss it
Never used:
games
download agent
file explorer
gprs on/off
internet explorer
internet sharing
modem link
search
Powerpoint
WM5torage
email
Very unwelcome: certificates
I do use all settings from the tabs Personal and System, from the connections settings I only use Bluetooth
But -although a contradiction to my wish for a very clean ROM- I do believe that not only I, but most of us do like some features like smartdial, TouchFlo, PDF, VERY LOUD ringtones and repeating alerts for notifications, missed calls, missed txt messages and so on. And localisation would be very welcome too.
Theoretically it would be best if either during the flash operation or at first boot after flashing it would be possible to make your own selections using some kind of wizard/script that would be intelligent enough to warn for example that the help files will no longer be available if you remove IE, that probably SMS will no longer be available if email program is not installed (I guess).
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Ya but this is personal List of what you use, if developers starts building personal roms, it will be never ending story.
What I suggested is to build a clean rom, Hyman said the right thing. Build one with basic clean rom and the other with fully loaded and whoever wants which ever they can pick their choice.
Kind Regards
Jay
jaytheguru said:
But not installing extra software will give choice to people what to install and what not to install. Dont you think it would be a good idea to leave it to people regardless of space or memory issues?
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Personally, I don't think so.
If one wouls want to install some software (common used, for example) he would install it in storage mem. And I could make it into rom instead.
If you don't want to use it - just don't use it
One day we would make a kitchen - and then all could make their own personal rom.
Personally, I can tell you that I'm going to release a clean and speed tweaked rom - once, and then I'm going to start releasing my personalized one.
It seems like we all get the answer now. One pure version and one with all modification that builder desires. No more discussion I guess
bearshare said:
It seems like we all get the answer now. One pure version and one with all modification that builder desires. No more discussion I guess
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yes..i agree with you
jaytheguru said:
Ya but this is personal List of what you use, if developers starts building personal roms, it will be never ending story.
What I suggested is to build a clean rom, Hyman said the right thing. Build one with basic clean rom and the other with fully loaded and whoever wants which ever they can pick their choice.
Kind Regards
Jay
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I wanted to give insight in how I use my Hima, it is by no means a wish list for a personalised ROM. (although volunteers are welcome to cook one for me ;-)
I hope others will give similar insight in their uses.
When I flashed to WM5 I thought I was using a clean ROM. It did come with Powerpoint and Exell, IMHO a waste of space. It didn't come with a working smartdial and it took me a full day to find a smartdial that works on one of my Hima's but not on another almost identical Hima. IMHO an awful waste of time unless you like to reinvent the wheel.
I've seen discussions in other threads about what they do/do not call a "clean" ROM. IMHO a clean ROM should offer as much basic functionality as possible. I believe Smartdial is one of these basic functions.
But every piece of software that you can find elsewhere, like Powerpoint and Exell should in my opinion be left out of the clean ROM, right?
A kitchen would be a good idea. A kitchen with a clear step by step manual that any noob can follow would be even nicer. Perhaps such kitchens were around before the ftp site closed, I'm only here regularly since a week or two.
I downloaded two files with the word kitchen in its name and unfortunately neither explained to me how to use it.
Rudegar said:
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
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You r absloutly right
Rudegar said:
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
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I can't agree with you any more
Title says it all!
I popped both the new sub-forums' thread cherries
Well of the app I have installed I would definitely keep Batti, Google maps, WM6 RDP and Xperia tweak.
Me likey
i use
fring
Skype
SPB Backup
SPB Travel
Coreplayer
Igo8
Resco File Explorer
Xperia Tweak
Touchpal
and Virtual Pool mobile
that is what i install and where i will stay
I'd like
Quick menu
Total commander
.net 3.5 and .netcfg
flashlite 3.1
s2v (with permission obviously)
TF3d
WKTask
fdcsoft taskmanager (and defaults for regedit etc set up)
SKTSync
look this video with touchflow3d in action (I want this app)
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2008/11/06/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-touchflo-3d-demo-video/
Fidalgos said:
look this video with touchflow3d in action (I want this app)
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2008/11/06/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-touchflo-3d-demo-video/
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we already have that, Im using it now.
Working Flash (for youtube and stuff)
A youtube app
Total commander
Coreplayer
TF3d
Latest Opera Mobile 9.5
Flash support
Total Commander
TouchFlo3D
Battery Meter or changed battery icons (e.g. FInixNOver's)
crap removed (trailers, sample albums, etc)
Google Maps, GMail 2.0 java app, Opera Mini 4.1 java app
Skype
PocketRAR
No apps what-so-ever, just a basic, base rom, that includes a folder full of cabs, with a launcher than allows you to select which cabs to install.
Flash the new rom, then manually exec the launcher, put ticks next to the apps you want, networks you want setup etc, then hit the go button and sit back while your device gets only the stuff you actually want installed.
Thats my ideal!
Nigel
veletron said:
No apps what-so-ever, just a basic, base rom, that includes a folder full of cabs, with a launcher than allows you to select which cabs to install.
Flash the new rom, then manually exec the launcher, put ticks next to the apps you want, networks you want setup etc, then hit the go button and sit back while your device gets only the stuff you actually want installed.
Thats my ideal!
Nigel
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Seconded! I like to choose!
just a plain basic rom with basic utilities like CE commander, network wizard, java, mms, enlarge start menu. No trial (spb-something), no beta (tf3d... I can update myself tnx ), nothing
THJahar said:
Seconded! I like to choose!
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Thirded
veletron said:
No apps what-so-ever, just a basic, base rom, that includes a folder full of cabs, with a launcher than allows you to select which cabs to install.
Flash the new rom, then manually exec the launcher, put ticks next to the apps you want, networks you want setup etc, then hit the go button and sit back while your device gets only the stuff you actually want installed.
Thats my ideal!
Nigel
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Actually this is a cracking idea!
guru_fordy said:
Actually this is a cracking idea!
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I agree. No panels either. Completely basic.
*I'm still waiting for flah 9-10 support but I doubt that is going to happen anytime soon.
THJahar said:
Seconded! I like to choose!
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I forth....this needs to be done...
who's the top rom specialist... i need some help on a projevt.
i call it...
Operation Panelstine Freedom...
Panels running touch hd
A workin skyfire because we need a full functional webbrowser
ROTFLMAO
harvsingh said:
I forth....this needs to be done...
who's the top rom specialist... i need some help on a projevt.
i call it...
Operation Panelstine Freedom...
Panels running touch hd
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ROTFL! "Panelstine"! MUHAHAHA...
The idea for the basic ROM with separate CAB folder sounds great.
I'm also a big fan of Windows Side Show, if you haven't seen it yet you should definitely sheck it out. It's an app using BlueTooth to control your Vista machine, e.g. Windows Media Player, PowerPoint, Outlook, Facebook, etc. Very cool app I must say, but if the basic ROM will get cooked I can install that again myself.
As well as also liking to choose! I would also like to see Remote Sim Access for connection to certain handsfree car kits...
This notion of installing cabs after the flash is all well and good but they will take up storage space, you can't install them to the rom after the flashing procedure so they need to be built in before the flashing procedure to get them into the rom space, maybe one day there'll be a simple chooser to allow people to build their own roms but it's still a long way off..
There is a system to allow people to install their own cabbed software automatically it's called UC and developed by Sleuth255 there's a config builder for it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371832
the rom needs to be built as UC compliant to do this but that's not hard.
The Rom has 512mb of space, this can't be used after a rom has been flashed, so unless you fill it with applications it's going to remain empty and be wasted. it shouldn't be used for apps that get updated regularily 'cos that's a pain to overwrite, or commercial apps 'cos that restricts what people can use.
IMHO It's better to have all the essential apps (and things like tf3d) built into the rom and save the 256mb of storage for apps that are updated frequently or commercial stuff.
Hi
I see what you mean, but given that the X1 has loads of storage, I cant see post install of apps being an issue. You would have to install every app on the planet to fill 256MB? Apps that have huge requirements (tom-tom etc) would just use the SD card?
Additionally, this would mean that those apps had an entry in 'remove programs' and thus could be easily upgraded when new ones came out - or removed if no longer required. Also, you would not need to flash a new rom just to get the latest TF3D installed.
Personally, I just don't have the time to re-flash more than once every 6 months - it takes too long to get the device back into a state where its usable again.
I think this convenience is a small price to pay for under utilising the 512MB of ROM.
Nigel
Let's make an App store for all the important cabs on this wonderful thread.
Let's get some ideas on how to do this.
Like having a website with all the cabs listed so you can download them directly to the device. I am talking themes, cabs, roms(to go to SD Card for flashing)
Let's get creative, we can do it. Let's not wait on Microsoft.
Hey man, Project Gecko has been in beta for a while.
There are 2 advertised on XDA and Gecko is the only one that comes to mind at the moment. Maybe someone else can help me out with the second one..?
I know a little bit of web design, so I may play around with this over Christmas break. (I am a school teacher). But other ideas would be appreciated too.
Goals:
1. Centralized location for apps, tweaks, roms, etc
2. App Store Accessed from device (not just active sync)
3. Improve as much as possible
this sounds like a great idea! also, you guys may want to see this. it is a database of ppc freeware.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-pocketwit.html
Ideal features...
TF 2/3D/Today screen/Programs menu direct access
Download manager similar to Opera
Scrolling features through phone type/sections/apps
Small ad placement = income generation for storage
Recent Updates menu to notify when upgrade is ready (integrate in SMS/email system linking to DL)
CAB only policy to weed out nasty bugs
XDA mods to police the uploads
Exclusive program list (homepage) which charges developers for front page access. (scrolling banners in predefined format)
Free vs. Pay program areas.
Point system for repeat users. Points = discounts for pay programs.
Thats all I can think of at the moment.
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Ideal features...
TF 2/3D/Today screen/Programs menu direct access
Download manager similar to Opera
Scrolling features through phone type/sections/apps
Small ad placement = income generation for storage
Recent Updates menu to notify when upgrade is ready (integrate in SMS/email system linking to DL)
CAB only policy to weed out nasty bugs
XDA mods to police the uploads
Exclusive program list (homepage) which charges developers for front page access. (scrolling banners in predefined format)
Free vs. Pay program areas.
Point system for repeat users. Points = discounts for pay programs.
Thats all I can think of at the moment.
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Love it, love it, love it,
Keep the ideas coming
Perhaps somehow use ApptoDate to keep the cabs updated?
Great Plan
Sounds like a great idea, one resouerc for safe, uncomplicated modding and upgrading of the touch pro keep up the good work
I can do alot with webdesign ive been doing it for years..let me know if you need any help
copy of gecko?
You guys can always look at the PDM that is cooked into the T.i.R roms.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=458783
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copy of gecko?
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that was what I was thinking...
guys just watch gecko and spread the word.
Do any of you know if it is possible to use Visual Basic 2008 to create applications for the G1. I know it can make mobile apps but only for Windows mobile phones. I have the entire suite of Visual Basic 2008 so I can use a couple different languages I just don't know which will work.
thanks
No, the G1 apps are Java based and must be built on the Android API (at least so far). The easiest way to do this is to use Eclipse and the Eclipse add-in available from Google.
http://code.google.com/android/documentation.html
Mono (a cross-platform system for .NET) is available in the Android market. I know it supports C# but I'm not sure about VB and I'm not sure how usable it is. Check it out in the market and it has a link for directions.
Hope this helps!
Geniusdog254 said:
I know it supports C# but I'm not sure about VB and I'm not sure how usable it is.
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.Net is .Net... it compiles down to IL which is what gets executed. If Mono is on Android, it might be possible to make something work. There would be some additional work to exposed the Android intents, etc. as "Forms" for VB.
I'd say that it is "possible", but it isn't very likely any time soon.
Chinpokomon said:
I'd say that it is "possible", but it isn't very likely any time soon.
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Koush is making good progress on that front, it looks like.
http://www.koushikdutta.com/2009/02/monodalvik-interop.html
http://code.google.com/p/androidmono/
It would be so muhc more useful is you could develop android applications via Visual Basic, C#, or even C.
I would much rather prefer the android to be C/C++
Oh well.
Does anyone know or can anyone confirm there is a Network Plugin type app like WinMo had that allows you to map shared folders in WP8? Thats one of the major things thats keeping me on the fence about jumping from WinMo 6.1 to WP8. If someone can compile an app i can throw them the .cab file if they are too lazy to find it
I didn't see any apps for Windows Networking connectivity in a brief search of the store. It is not just a matter of recompiling, though; even if you have the source, WinMo apps and WP apps work very differently, and it would be a fair bit of effort (for example, the UI would need to be re-written) to make it work on WP8.
Also, WP doesn't have any built-in file managers. WP7 has homebrew ones for unlocked phones, but so far there's nothing really equivalent for WP8. I did think somebody was writing a SMB client app for WP7 that would let you browse network shares and open the files on them using your phone, but I can't find it in the Store.
There is an app for this (C)
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/sharefolder/e2b9c82e-eaa1-4a3b-9d4a-8a2933a8bdb4
Looks like what you need.
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There is an app for this (C)
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/sharefolder/e2b9c82e-eaa1-4a3b-9d4a-8a2933a8bdb4
Looks like what you need.
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In theory at least. But thanks.