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Hi there,
I've had a quick look around the forums and see posts which are in other countries - so I wanted to ask in a new thread.
I'm in the UK and considering getting a TyTN2 (currently on an Xda Orbit).
I have some questions which im having a little trouble in finding definitive answers to -
1. Is it possible to use the TyTN2 as a 'modem'? i.e connect to the Internet at high speed and 'relay' the information to my laptop? if so, would that mean connecting the laptop and the TyTN2 via a cable? wifi? bluetooth?
2. If the above can be done wirelessly, is it then possible to share on 2 laptops? (I have a main Dell XPS M1710 and a XPS M1330 for more portable needs)
3. I'm currently with O2 for my voice calls. I can get another providers service and was looking at the 3 network for it's nice pricing, however it looks like I have to connect using their specific modem. Is it possible to connect to 3's network using the TyTN2?
4. The other operators Vodafone, Orange T mobile etc - would it be a case of sgning up to an airtime deal and popping the SIM card into the TyTN2, syncing to my laptop and away I go ?
I live around the West London, Heathrow area and am here 99% of my time - I understand full speed HSDPA won't be available all the time when travelling away and could be at much reduced speeds etc - at that point, what is 'surfing' on the screen like on the TyTN2? I find browsing on the Orbit using wifi a bit of a strain on that small screen, any better on the TyTN2? I 'doubt' it really and thats why Iwant to use my laptops screen(s)
Apologies if this is covered in other posts, I could only find sporadic info and from other countries etc
Any ideas and responses well appreciated !
cheers, Dennis Cooper!
DennisCooper said:
1. Is it possible to use the TyTN2 as a 'modem'? i.e connect to the Internet at high speed and 'relay' the information to my laptop? if so, would that mean connecting the laptop and the TyTN2 via a cable? wifi? bluetooth?
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You can use TyTN II as modem, but it's not exactly a *modem* - it uses network sharing application instead. Basically the idea is that TyTN becomes something like 'access point', which acts as a gateway to the internet for your computer. Connectivity options are USB cable and Bluetooth. I use both of them without much hassle, but I don't know how to do it in Windows world (I'm a Linux-boy
2. If the above can be done wirelessly, is it then possible to share on 2 laptops? (I have a main Dell XPS M1710 and a XPS M1330 for more portable needs)
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I don't think so. Unless you'll manage to set up whole thing like that:
TyTN II --> internet sharing --> XPS M1710 --> internet sharing --> XPS M1330
But I never tried such configuration.
3. I'm currently with O2 for my voice calls. I can get another providers service and was looking at the 3 network for it's nice pricing, however it looks like I have to connect using their specific modem. Is it possible to connect to 3's network using the TyTN2?
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Yes, it is possible. They have recently introduced their Mobile Broadband offer (£10 / 1GB / month) into pay as you go, so you don't have to buy separate modem. Just get their payg SIM card, put it into Kaiser, activate Mobile Broadband add-on, get connection settings from their website, and use Internet Sharing app, as mentioned above. Should work.
4. The other operators Vodafone, Orange T mobile etc - would it be a case of sgning up to an airtime deal and popping the SIM card into the TyTN2, syncing to my laptop and away I go ?
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I only know how it works for T-Mobile. They have £1 per day internet access offer on pay as you go. However, there are some catches:
1) T&C don't allow to use it modems for computers (such as Kaiser and your laptops), BUT practically it works without any problems.
2) There is 40 MB daily limit, which is not 'fixed' - meaning that if you exceed it, you will be still able to use the service - but T-Mobile will have an eye on you, and will have right to cancel your card straight away if you'll keep exceeding it too often.
3) Their payg SIM cards are NOT allowed to use HSDPA service, meaning mere 384 kbps, without any chance to upgrade it - even if you are within HSDPA coverage.
So, basically - if you're light user, T-Mobile pay as you go option should be OK for you, but when you plan to use internet on the go more often - Three's Mobile Broadband should be a better deal for you.
Of course, you also have option to sign up for contract, for example T-Mobile's Flext + web'n'walk, which would give you both voice minutes, as well as internet access on the go, but it's up to you.
I live around the West London, Heathrow area and am here 99% of my time
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Ha! Just like me (TW14)
- I understand full speed HSDPA won't be available all the time when travelling away and could be at much reduced speeds etc - at that point, what is 'surfing' on the screen like on the TyTN2? I find browsing on the Orbit using wifi a bit of a strain on that small screen, any better on the TyTN2? I 'doubt' it really and thats why Iwant to use my laptops screen(s)
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I'm not sure what is HSDPA coverage by O2, but I'm on T-Mobile, and they basically have HSDPA deployed all around London already, with some sites upgraded to 3.6 Mbps speed.
When it comes to surfing on the screen, I recommend using Opera Mini 4. It's waaay better tha Pocket IE, and it's also much faster. It gives really great browsing experience in your pocket!
eva_d,
I am considering the tytn ii with the Flext 25 + web'n'walk from t-mobile, with it being 1gb a month unlimited internet access and my phone hsdpa compatible, does this price plan allow me to use hsdpa in london where i work rather than GPRS in a 3G covereage area?
thanks... sorry dennis to hijack your thread...
joelsoo said:
I am considering the tytn ii with the Flext 25 + web'n'walk from t-mobile, with it being 1gb a month unlimited internet access and my phone hsdpa compatible, does this price plan allow me to use hsdpa in london where i work rather than GPRS in a 3G covereage area?
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Yes, it allows HSDPA use.
I would check with t-mobile about the hsdpa theres a few posts about saying that t-mobile pulled hsdpa from the basic web and walk after mid october last year and made it availble to web and walk plus and the next higher tarrif. im on the £35 flext and web and walk basic and get hsdpa but i signed up in april last year. basically double check with t-mobile that you will get hsdpa on the w+w basic before you take out the contract.
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I would check with t-mobile about the hsdpa theres a few posts about saying that t-mobile pulled hsdpa from the basic web and walk after mid october last year and made it availble to web and walk plus and the next higher tarrif. im on the £35 flext and web and walk basic and get hsdpa but i signed up in april last year. basically double check with t-mobile that you will get hsdpa on the w+w basic before you take out the contract.
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This is true, and was told the same by the cust service rep on the phone. However i added the basic £7.50 W&W, and after enabling HSDPA in Kaisertweak, am getting recieving it anyway!
i just sent a message to tmobile and one of their customer represensatives called me up and say if i'm in a 3g area it will be running on HSDPA even on the flext 25 and web and walk.
however they say to take note on the 1gb cap per month data fair usage policy.
if that's the case, i think i'd sign on for the contract within the next few days together with the vario III
however i have an offer for an iphone for 300 quid contract free.... so i am abit of a fix of which one to go for...
Schooleydoo said:
This is true, and was told the same by the cust service rep on the phone. However i added the basic £7.50 W&W, and after enabling HSDPA in Kaisertweak, am getting recieving it anyway!
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I also have basic WnW package (£7.50/month), and I do get HSDPA, but I've started my contract in 2006. However, explanation for not giving HSDPA access in basic WnW seems to be fair and reasonable (although not necessarily loved by users) - as that basic package is designed to give internet connectivity directly from mobile phone, which would not be used as modem for computers. In such case, 384kbps (non-HSDPA) speed seems reasonable for use in phone only. When it comes to use it from computer, then it's low - but then you also need to get WnW Plus or Max packages...
I am going to upgrade do WnW Plus pretty soon, anyway. It's only £5 more per month, but allows legally use my Kaiser as modem, and also gives me full T-Mobile's WiFi hotspots access across UK.
I see all these posts about MEdiaMax and the HTC phones, but what about MediaNet Unlimited? Are you legally allowed to use it with a PDA?
In the Terms/Conditions it says that the Media bundles are not to be used with a PDA, but MEdiaNet Unlimited is only MEdiaNet, no messaging, so it's not a bundle, right? As long as I don't tether the device, I'm legal, correct? (I don't have a laptop and my home is not in a 3G area, so what's the point?)
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I see all these posts about MEdiaMax and the HTC phones, but what about MediaNet Unlimited? Are you legally allowed to use it with a PDA?
In the Terms/Conditions it says that the Media bundles are not to be used with a PDA, but MEdiaNet Unlimited is only MEdiaNet, no messaging, so it's not a bundle, right? As long as I don't tether the device, I'm legal, correct? (I don't have a laptop and my home is not in a 3G area, so what's the point?)
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You dont want MediaNet Unlimited. What a bunch of marketing doublespeak!! I quote from the AT and T website:
"For full details on Messaging or MEdia Net, see the AT&T MEdia brochure, att.com/mediaterms. Pay-Per-Use Charges: Text/Instant Messaging 15¢/message; Picture/Video Messages 25¢/message; MEdia Net Browsing 1¢/KB. MEdia Net and MEdia Bundles are not available on PDAs/Pocket PCs, RIM® devices or LaptopConnect cards. If your usage of the Services (including unlimited data plans) on other carriers' wireless networks ("offnet usage") during any two consecutive months exceeds your offnet usage allowance, AT&T may at its option terminate your wireless service or access to data Services, deny your continued use of other carriers' coverage, or change your plan to one imposing usage charges for offnet usage. Your offnet usage allowance is equal to the lesser of 6 megabytes or 20% of the kilobytes included with your plan and for messaging plans the lesser of 3000 messages or 50% of the messages included with your plan. AT&T will provide notice that it intends to take any of the above actions and you may terminate your agreement."
To me that says you have unlimited use as long as you pay for usage at thier highest rate. Also, it specifies it does it is not for pocket PC's.
This plan is NOT intended for Pocket PC's (like yours) and since you only pay for the data you use (no free data at all) you pay top dollar for all the data you DO use. That means things like the weather plugins etc on yer phone that want to grab data off of the network on a regular basis you will pay for every kilobyte at the most expensive rate.
Technically its not legal, and even if it was, it is probably not in your best interest.
Its the same thing. Unlimited MediaNet was changed to Media Max 200. it was unlimited media net and 200 texts. They decided not to combine them anymore, so its media net again.
pdas can be used on media net, technically. its the same ip address and settings, but siince PDAs use more data, at&t charges a premium on PDA Max. I dont know what at&t will do if they audit your line.
I use media max 200 btw
so which is the maximum-unlimited and economical plan worth your recommendation other than the 200?
I don't have a reason to get the SMS bundles because I already have the Family Messaging Unlimited. I called and told the CRS I wanted Unlimited Internet usage added to my line, didn't specify which package, and that's what he told me I needed and he added it. If they overcharge me, you can better believe that they will have a phone call.
Just change it yourself on the extranet. Easy as pie.
Why would I change it? If they put me on the $15 plan, I'm going to use it, if they charge me then it's their CSR's fault, not mine.
Why pay more if that's what they gave me?
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Its the same thing. Unlimited MediaNet was changed to Media Max 200. it was unlimited media net and 200 texts. They decided not to combine them anymore, so its media net again.
pdas can be used on media net, technically. its the same ip address and settings, but siince PDAs use more data, at&t charges a premium on PDA Max. I dont know what at&t will do if they audit your line.
I use media max 200 btw
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mostly correct, however...
They didn't really "change" them, the Unlimited MediaNet w/o text was designed for peolpe whom have an old texting plan, family texting, or otherwise a seperate texting plan and did not want to change it (or couldnt, for family unlimited)...
So they created MediaNet unlimited for the same price, without texting, to allow people to keep these plans..
I have 1000 texts for $10 (retired feature), so I went with MediaNet Unlimited seperatly
i'm on MM200 w/ tilt.... Icalled in and they did it for me so how was I supposd to know?
Do you have any idea how spoiled you all are in the US with those plans and offers. I envy you
Living in Taiwan , the kingdom of technology, I paid +700 USD for my Tytn II as we do not have combined offers at that level.
And as for Media... there is Emome from Chunghwa. 10 USD games from 5 years ago platforms.
And a monhtly minimal fee is here around 20-25 US without any Freebies.
ceevee369, why should you complain, too? Visit Myanmar to see how much it costs!!!
I have had MediaNet Unlimited @ $20/month for close to 2 years now (on a Treo 650, 680, 750 and now Tilt). It truely is unlimited, never had any issues.
ive had $20/unlimited since the 8125 and never had any issues either.. with the lovely 3g i do 300-400mb a day with mobitv+xm radio+google maps its great to have full 3g @ work and mostly everywhere.. granted i only pull 1 bar @ home of 3g/H outside of the house is 3-4 bars no issue.. never had a problem paying.. never been late so maybe that helps? who knows.
I use AT&T MediaNET unlimited with Tilt.
I downloaded the internet sharing tool (AT&T deleted it from the Tilt). Disabled proxy in the network connection - and voila, I have a wireless modem for my laptop with unlimited traffic. Speeds with enabled HSDPA go up to 80 KB/s where I'm using it. It's probably different in other areas.
I play BF 2142 through it (it's not bad, around 120 ping), download files, do all my regular stuff. I talked to the supervisor in AT&T and I'm pretty much sure that they will never impose "too much traffic" or find out that it tethers to the laptop.
I pay $20/mo for it for one phone.
Just my $.02
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I use AT&T MediaNET unlimited with Tilt.
I downloaded the internet sharing tool (AT&T deleted it from the Tilt). Disabled proxy in the network connection - and voila, I have a wireless modem for my laptop with unlimited traffic. Speeds with enabled HSDPA go up to 80 KB/s where I'm using it. It's probably different in other areas.
I play BF 2142 through it (it's not bad, around 120 ping), download files, do all my regular stuff. I talked to the supervisor in AT&T and I'm pretty much sure that they will never impose "too much traffic" or find out that it tethers to the laptop.
I pay $20/mo for it for one phone.
Just my $.02
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Same here.
Went from a sony ericsson in 2002-3 which the plan was originally signed up for to a ipaq 6515 then to kaiser.
Still paying $19.99/mo for unlimited HSDPA speeds here in DC.
i get unlimted medianet/ internet and 1500 text (unlimited m to m) for $20
well, hopefully ill be fine. I have been with cingular/att for almost 5 years with a perfect record and now running four lines on my family plan with unlmtd texts and now medianet unlimited on one line. plus I just extended my contract to pick up a tilt for 150 dolars... whaaaat?
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well, hopefully ill be fine. I have been with cingular/att for almost 5 years with a perfect record and now running four lines on my family plan with unlmtd texts and now medianet unlimited on one line. plus I just extended my contract to pick up a tilt for 150 dolars... whaaaat?
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Tell them the Tilt is for one of the other lines, not the one with medianet unlimited. As we've seen above it probably doesn't matter but I figure it's one less way to draw attention to your account. I got my Tilt as an upgrade on my daughter's line. I "upgraded" to a RAZR that my wife uses on her work-provided line and that's the phone with the medianet plan (I've got the MediaMax 200) assigned to it.
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i get unlimted medianet/ internet and 1500 text (unlimited m to m) for $20
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I have the exact same plan, i just went online and changed my plan, been this way for almost 2 years now. Never had an issue, I also run agile mobile and sync with 2 email accounts that are pretty active. On the website it doesn't say what plans you can or can't use, so thats my arguement if it ever comes up.
inneyeseakay: what has led you to believe that there is some kind of law that prevents you from using a data plan with your PDA phone? Certainly you are "legally" allowed to do so.
DarkDvr: when I had the stock AT&T Tilt ROM, I did find out that Internet Sharing was in the Windows folder, AT&T had just deleted the shortcut in your start menu. It should be called IntShrUI.exe. I believe someone on the forum here brought that to my attention. I just wanted to let you know in case you do a hard reset that you do not have to go through the trouble of downloading the Internet Sharing application again.
iPhone users only pay $20 a month for their unlimited data. The iPhone's browser displays far more data than Windows Mobile's default browser. Not only that, but Youtube is built in to the iPhone's interface, and videos certainly require a lot of data transfer. I have had Medianet unlimited for almost 2 years with PDA phones. If it is somehow against their terms, it is up to them to take action. I certainly do not feel as if I am "ripping off" AT&T somehow by continuing to use the plan I have had for quite a while. Last month I only used 5 MB of data, so I am not abusing it either.
AT&T has had a history of bias against PDA phones and smartphones. They let me pay $5 a month for 6 months for insurance for my phone which they did not even cover. I did not even know how to get to the page which showed the excluded phones, someone posted it on a forum. Regardless they didn't even refund my money.
Hello folks.
Twice recently I've looked at my Vario III and noticed it displaying the H for HSDPA at the top, rather than 3G.
Clicking on to open the connectivity bubble reveals that yes, I am indeed connected to "T-Mobile Internet (HSDPA)".
The only thing is, I'm on their Web 'n' walk data plan, not the Web 'n' walk plus which includes HSDPA.
On both occasions the H has reverted back to 3G after a few minutes.
Does anyone know if T-Mobile are tinkering with their service, perhaps planning to include the faster data to all users, not just the "plus" people?
Or was my phone itself just teasing me and displaying H when it was really regular old 3G?
Any answers welcome.
HSDPA
I too have the same phone on T-Mobile and also use the standard web 'n' walk and I often use HSDPA to connect... Have also connected to the internet with my laptop and get speeds up to around 1.6MB/s.
I think the idea with the web 'n' walk plus and HSDPA is that you are ALLOWED to use it as a computer internet connection and get those higher speeds but with the standard one you get those speeds but only on your mobile.
Phil
Cheers Phil.
I wonder why I've only been connected to it twice though.
Perhaps I've only noticed it twice!
*** UPDATE ***
I woke up this morning, my woman done left me......
ooops, sorry, force of habit.
I woke up this morning and I noticed that I was connected to HSDPA again.
This time the connection remained constant and I still have it now.
Perhaps I can expect it all the time now.
HSPDA is being built through as the new standard of mobile networks all over the world (where currently supported of course) orange UK have been doing this for the past couple of months, so yes I would imagine T-Mobile are upgrading the signal across the network
I'm on Flext with web n walk, i called T-mobile to have HSDPA enabled, generally its pretty stable, but it's not totally uncommon for it to drop back to 3G randomly. I'm not surprised, as im sure the coverage isn't yet 'finished'
i had to upgrade to get it in feb, never came up i upgraded and boom it was there, if everyone is getting it i may just downgrade n save myself £5
It certainly seems to be the case, meandu.
If there are no other advantages to the 'plus' service you should downgrade back to the regular.
No point paying an extra blue one for feck all.
Thanks to everyone that replied.
As far as I am aware, you don't have even have to have web 'n' walk to get the HSDPA speeds - so long as it is enabled then you can use (obviously you will pay more if not on w 'n' w!!). You certainly don't need 'plus' to get it. The reason it fluctuates is that it only shows the 'H' if firstly, you are in an HSDPA area and secondly, it is actually downloading something. The rest of the time it will just show 3G or G, depending on where you are.
I have been with T-Mobile Uk for about six months on their standard W+W package. Until two weeks ago I was only able to get 3G but since then I too have been on HSDPA. They must have changed their policy. If only they'd let windows live work...
The reason you are seeing "H" instead of "3G" is because T-Mobile are now defaulting 3G services onto HSDPA.
The change over happened in Plymouth about 2 weeks ago, I thought it was a blip because sometimes the icon got stuck but soon found out that HSDPA was being enforce.
This is all to do with T-Mob and 3 merging their 3G networks over the course of the year allowing most of us to be able to access the new 7.2Mb Turbo network and later next year the 14Mb Uber Turbo network
Oh and windows live does work for me on default web and walk lol
Thanks for the information.
Frustratingly for me windows live will not work via GPRS, 3G or HSDPA. Synchronisation just takes a while then fails. My understanding was that this was due to T-Mobile port blocking on W+W basic, am I misinformed? I am using Dutty’s 6.1 with version 10.6.34.800, wifi connects with no problem but it means I need to use PIE to access the web based one when out and about. I have encountered the same problems with other ROMs and Windows Live versions.
Is this anyone else’s experience?
I'm on WnW 'basic' and dont have that problem, im pretty sure they dont block it... although i do have random problems connecting to MSN sometimes.. but im sure thats just a signal/software issue.
We had this issue with our work mobiles when using Live and other chat progs, but only with t-mobile. They'll deny it point blank if you call the helpdesk, although that's probably more down to them not knowing anything about port blocking I would think. No issue with O2 or Orange and the chat progs work fine when cradled or via wireless. Incidentally, it's not permanent either, they'll occasionally work for a day or two. I wonder if some sort of usage monitoring is taking place
I am also on T-Mobile UK with a Vario III.
Joined them in Oct 07 on Flext 30 with Web N Walk. I've had HSDPA appearing when downloading since day one - when not downloading it goes to 3G or G if out of 3G coverage.
I am also able to use Windows Live with no problems. I have attached the version I use currently for anyone having an issue with theirs.
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Zippyioa
See below for T&C's for W&W
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Flext + web'n'walk plans
Subject to connection to Flext or U-Fix + web 'n' walk. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. Subject to coverage. Compatible handset required. Roaming charges apply. Not applicable to connection via CSD. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers a 1GB (of data both sent and received in the UK) per month fair use policy applies. If you exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 1GB per month for a third time , we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service to provide modem access for a computer or for peer to peer file sharing, internet phone calls or instant messaging. Roaming charges apply.
Flext + web'n'walk Plus plans
Subject to connection to Flext + web 'n' walk Plus. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. Compatible laptop and handset required. Not applicable to connection via CSD. Subject to coverage. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy of 3GB (of data sent and received in the UK) per month applies. If you exceed 3GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 3GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 3GB per month for a third time, we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service for internet phone calls. Roaming charges apply.
Flext + web'n'walk Max plan
Subject to connection to selected Flext + web'n'walk Max price plans. Minimum term contract and credit check applies. Compatible laptop and handset required. Not applicable to connection via CSD. Subject to coverage. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy of 10GB (of UK data both sent and received) per month applies. If you exceed 10GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 10GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 10GB per month for a third time, we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. Roaming charges apply.
Hi ray.andy
Thanks for the legal on this one
I have always known that the T&Cs state you can't use instant messenging on WNW standard. Strangely I and many other customers have always used Windows Live on the standard WNW tariff without issues.
Cheers
Zippyioa
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Hi ray.andy
Thanks for the legal on this one
I have always known that the T&Cs state you can't use instant messenging on WNW standard. Strangely I and many other customers have always used Windows Live on the standard WNW tariff without issues.
Cheers
Zippyioa
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I would say that as long as you don't go over the usage limit as specified in each tariff then you can use it for anything that you want.
T-Mobile have no way to see what programs/applications are using Data. This is just purely to make customers pay more for the tariffs as they think they are getting a better deal.
I had W&W for £7.50 per month - I used it for internet through my laptop & skype for over a year without any letters/warnings from T-Mobile.
I still think that HSDPA from T-Mobile is fast and well worth the money compared to Orange.
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Ray.Andy: are you sure about that? I'm on T-Mo UK as well, and I remember putting win live on before and it said that the service is blocked. However, I still can use Skype!
I *think* they can monitor ports like on PCs, and stop traffic on certain well-known ports, which then in turn block services.
Personally, I only use IM over wifi with my Tytn II, so it's all far game!
Thanks zippyioa for cab.
Have installed and testing. Seems to perform initial sync with no problems, this was my experience with the other versions also, but then is very tempremental after that. Sync sometimes but not others. I wonder if there is some usage/time limits on this from t-mobile. Those of you with no problems what are your settings for windows live? (ie sync frequency or manual, how often do you sync, does it always succeed, do you sync through windows live or send/receive in messages)
Cheers
This question has already been asked previously, but it was so long ago that the response is out of date.
Does anyone know T Mobiles official policy on HSDPA browsing. Is it available to regular webnwalk customers? Do you need to upgrade to Webnwalk plus or max to browse at those speeds? Are speeds capped on regular webnwalk?
Does anyone have any idea? Because I would rather save myself the extra £5 every month.
You do not get access to HSDPA with regular WNW, you must upgrade to Plus or Max. The only way you may be able to browse at HSDPA speeds with regular WNW is if you were one of the first batch of customers to sign up when they released their' 'unlimited' services (as opposed to the old 40mb service), although a sweep removed this from the majority of accounts.
I was told by two seperate T Mobile Employees that I should get HSDPA on regular WNW and restriction of the standard service was only on content not speed.
However I was told by a third employee that I would need to stay on WebnWalk plus for HSDPA. Yet I cannot see these terms referenced on their website at all.
Think I have a case if I downgrade?
Mmm...
Well i started a new Contract with tmobile (already have an exisiting one, but impatient waiting for the Diamond!) and I used to have the Web and Walk plus added to my account.
However, ive noticed that I get HSDPA on my new phone using the standard web n walk £7.50 package.
This is also what I found out when looking at the tmobile website:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/mobile-internet/on-your-phone/
Scroll to the bottom and then click on
Web n Walk Legal Stuff.
For the £7.50 a month Web n Walk Package
"Fair use policy applies: Subject to coverage. Compatible handset required. Roaming charges apply. Not applicable to connection via CSD. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers a 1GB (of data both sent and received in the UK) per month fair use policy applies. If you exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 1GB per month for a third time , we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service to provide modem access for a computer or for peer to peer file sharing, internet phone calls or instant messaging. Roaming charges apply."
and for the Plus package
"If your pay monthly plan already includes web'nwalk, Mobile Broadband Plus will be £5.00 extra a month and if you don't, it will be £12.50 extra a month. Mobile Broadband Plus will stay on your account until you ask us to remove it. You'll need a compatible laptop, compatible phone and mobile broadband coverage. Remember that you can't use your plan to make internet phone calls. If you use your plan outside of the UK, we'll add roaming charges to your pay monthly account, please see t-mobile.co.uk//broadband for more details. This plan comes with a fair use policy of 3GB a month. We'll monitor how much you send and receive each calendar month so that we can protect our network for all our Mobile Broadband customers. If you use more than your fair use policy amount, we won't charge you any more, but we may restrict how you can use your plan, depending on how often you go over your amount and by how much."
and for the Max Package
"Mobile Broadband Max is £22.50 extra a month and is for use in the UK only. You'll need a compatible laptop, a compatible phone and mobile broadband coverage. If you use your plan outside of the UK, we'll add roaming charges to your pay monthly account. This plan comes with a fair use policy of 10GB a month. We'll monitor how much you send and receive each calendar month so that we can protect our network for all our Mobile Broadband customers. If you use more than your fair use policy amount, we won't charge you any more, but we may restrict how you can use your plan, depending on how often you go over your amount and by how much."
Now i dont see anywhere suggesting that the speed increases with the more you spend, but the Data Allowance and restrictions eg Using Instant Messaging and VOIP are added on with the more you pay.
Hope this is of some use
Unfortunately incosistent information is an issue with T-Mob. Gets on my nerves! I've been with T-Mob for 4 years now so not much experience with the other operaters so I don't know if you get the same issues there.
You are restricted on content with regular WNW, but also on the speed. This was the case a few months ago at least, with further restrictions on P2P e.t.c. being implimented I don't think they would have reversed this policy.
You won't really have a case if you downgrade unfortunately, you'll just be told to move back to Plus or Max.
Hmm.. I know someone else with a Diamond on T Mobile who has regular web n walk (he joined two weeks ago via expansys deal). He gets the big H and little H on his screen in the central London area. Does this not mean hes getting HSDPA?
Sounds like he is getting it. Strange, as I deifnately read that they were no longer including it. Plus I have a friend with an N95 on regular WNW, who doens't get it.
As mentioned I will double check!
Web and Walk definitely includes HSDPA browsing, I've sold the product ever since it was launched. Web and Walk plus just allows you to use your phone/pda as a modem and increases fair useage policy to 3gb. Web and walk max allows 10gb and allows VOIP which other plans do not. They rarely restrict your speed unless you really take the p*ss on your usage. One customer used 8gb on the standard web and walk package and they didn't even notify him, let alone reduce his speed ! They can however tell if you start to use your phone as a modem or use VOIP, they will then eventually ask you to change your package accordingly.
hope this helps
Mickey
Mickey4U said:
Web and Walk definitely includes HSDPA browsing, I've sold the product ever since it was launched. Web and Walk plus just allows you to use your phone/pda as a modem and increases fair useage policy to 3gb. Web and walk max allows 10gb and allows VOIP which other plans do not. They rarely restrict your speed unless you really take the p*ss on your usage. One customer used 8gb on the standard web and walk package and they didn't even notify him, let alone reduce his speed ! They can however tell if you start to use your phone as a modem or use VOIP, they will then eventually ask you to change your package accordingly.
hope this helps
Mickey
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Thanks.
Is there any documentation you could scan in or a link on the T Mobile website that confirms all this. I hate getting different answers from different employees whenever I call T..
I have always been told (by Tmob shop staff and tele customer services) that HSDPA is included on WNW and I have always had access to HSDPA on WNW without paying for WNW plus or Max.
I agree that T Mob can sometimes be a little inconsistent. But their customer service phone staff and shop staff have always been willing to help. That could be because I am on a reasonably hefty tariff and was one of the first to have an Ameo (ouch!) but I don't think so
PS I don't work for TMob!
In the terms and conditions of web and walk:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/mobile-internet/on-your-phone/
There is nothing that differentiates on what speed you connect with, only how you connect. It actually costs t-mobile less to carry data across a HSDPA or UMTS network than across a GSM network (i.e GPRS), so they are happy to let you connect at any speed. The only reason that web and walk plus and max exist is so t-mobile can make extra cash from people connecting to their high speed networks with their laptops via their phone or PDA as a modem. Otherwise their mobile broadband products (dongles) at £15 per month just wouldn't sell. Max exists just to stop people using VOIP instead of normal calling plans for free and gives them a share of the revenue when people use VOIP to call abroad.
hope that makes sense
Mickey
oh and by the way, T-mobile are in the final stages of sharing their 3g and HSDPA networks with three (who have by far the largest HSDPA coverag in the UK) so t-mobile's HSDPA will get much better in the next couple of months.
Mickey
Yes HSDPA is standard with T-Mobile - and is HSUPA now as of a couple weeks ago if you have a compatible handset which the Diamond is. And it is whippet fast I can tell you!
On the £7.50 option you can actually still use your phone as a modem but if that was detected they have the right to ask you to stop or move up a level. I've occasionally used it as a modem after I moved down from the £12.50 tariff and never had any issues with them over it. If you stay within your usage of 1gb I hardly see as it makes any difference to them.
This thread is only for users that are UK T-Mobile customers that have only basic Web N Walk. In fact it might only apply to customers that have moved over to Web N Walk on or after January 2008
I have noticed that my download speeds seem to be teetering at the lower end of 3G, slightly better than GPRS, but no way near HSDPA speeds. The test is located at the following site, if you are unable to use Opera try Pocket Internet Explorer.
www.dslreports.com/mspeed
I have repeated this test at various points throughout the day and with various signal strengths and have never been able to download faster than 190kbit/sec.
I have been speaking to T-Mobile regarding this issue and they state that HSDPA is only available to Web N Walk Plus customers and not the basic Web N Walk customers. However, colleagues of mine are on the basic Web N Walk and are able to download at HSDPA speeds.
T-Mobile are unable to provide written proof stating that HSDPA is unavailable on basic Web N Walk, the terms and conditions do not state this, and the 1GB fair use policy should ensure no one abuses the additional speed.
Furthermore, the MDA Compact IV is sold as a HSDPA enabled phone. I therefore conclude that either I have been miss-sold my contract / phone or T-Mobile have incorrectly disabled HSDPA.
What I would like to do is see if others using the MDA Compact IV are in the same situation, so could you go and do the above test if you are a UK T-Mobile customer on basic Web N Walk and report back on what speed you get.
My HSDPA connection is patchy at best, in that the coverage is poor (as is T Mobile in general). However I have just tried the speed test and I got 1157 mb for a 1 MB file. Doesn't really seem representative of my usual speed experience though.
cojones said:
My HSDPA connection is patchy at best, in that the coverage is poor (as is T Mobile in general). However I have just tried the speed test and I got 1157 mb for a 1 MB file. Doesn't really seem representative of my usual speed experience though.
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Are you on the basic Web N Walk tarif and when did you move over to it?
Whoever told you this about HSDPA at certain tariffs on T-Mobile is talking tripe I'm afraid. HSDPA is standard on T-Mobile 3G across the UK now, as is HSUPA UK wide and in London area faster HSDPA.
I'm sure you know that the figures are published at best and you will rarely hit what they publish.
In my area I get a four bar signal but at best I get just over 1mb connection with it usually being around the 300-600 mark. Uploads however have seriously improved since the network upgrade a few weeks ago.
I'm on £7.50 w'n'w and the most i get is 300kbps which is the same as when i turn off hsdpa and just use 3g - still 300kbps.
What the hells going on?
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I'm on £7.50 w'n'w and the most i get is 300kbps which is the same as when i turn off hsdpa and just use 3g - still 300kbps.
What the hells going on?
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Right this is FACT and it IS on terms and conditions, I read them.
The reason I aborted my pre-order of MDA Compact IV was (amongst others) the fact that the standard web n'walk IS 3G speed only at up to 384kbps.
When I found out I flipped and cancelled and rang Orange retentions and got such a blinding deal I stayed with Orange ! Orange = HSDPA any package.
T-Mobile customers in the UK who have been on web n walk basic for ages may be under old agreement when it was HSDPA. You have to be on wnw PLUS now to get HSDPA for new customers.
dont get it, whats the deal? Why not pay another 5 or so quid and have HSDPA?
Afterall, why do you need HSDPA if your just browsing on your phone???? The only real reason you need HSDPA is if your using your phone as a modem which basic package doesn't allow you to do anyway.
This just makes sense.... so, whats the problem? Its not like its 10's of pounds of diference, its the price of 2 pints in a pub?
HSDPA is useful for web browsing simply because the pages load up up so much quicker.
I use mine to do a bit of browsing on the train after leaving work, and the difference when the coverage drops off to standard GPRS along the journey is very noticeable.
To say that you don't need hsdpa for browsing is like saying we could all make do with 56k modems for browsing at home. Yeah sure we could. but it would be painfully slow.
I am on T-mob, but have the HTC version. When I first got it there was no hsdpa on my account. when the phone detected a hsdpa signal, I could not connect at all, so I phoned 150 and asked the guy to make sure that hsdpa was enabled for my account. He said it should be but he would check. When he checked the system it wasn't set up, but he enabled it there and then, and it was available pretty much straight away
I am on flext 20 + w 'n' w basic
I'll try the dslreports thing tomorrow, but pages do load up much quicker when I have a H signal indicated
GPRS is commonly known as 2.5g
3g is "3g"
HSDPA is commonly known as 3.5g
Speed limits for each
btw: i'm fairly sure the phone supports HSUPA with a quick registry setting. Remember also that HSDPA is a BURST technology, not a sustained/constant technology.
Just because you dont have a "H" in your bar, doesn't mean your getting slow speeds - 3g IS quick enough for webbrowsing. You get normal 3g connection on Web'n'Walk basic.
So my question still stands, why do you NEED 3.5G HSDPA speeds for webbrowsing when 3G (Normal) IS way fast enough? If I was T-mobile I would use the same method for discouraging people using the phone as a modem when they are not supposed to - mind you 3g is still waaaaay fast enough for most stuff.
The fact you couldn't connect when your phone shows a H in the bar is odd... glad you got that sorted out.
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Are you on the basic Web N Walk tarif and when did you move over to it?
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I was on the basic package, I have not requested to move up neither have I been told that I have been moved up. The potential difference here is that I was on web n walk before Jan this year.
Good luck in trying to sort this out. i've decided to go (back) to Vodafone at the end of my contract in Nov because T mobile network coverage is so shocking.
did a few speed tests on mine this morning:
on the train
GPRS - 37 kbps
HSDPA - 498 - 1514 kbps
at my desk
HSDPA - 778 - 1231 kbps
was on web n walk basic for two years before upgrading to the diamond
and your trying to tell us 37k/s isn't fast enough to render webpages? If your experiencing slow webpages with this speed, its not your link at fault.
edit: at its at least 3x faster than you could dream of on a 56k modem!
Everyone who has responded so far has been on the Web N Walk package before Jan 2008. I would like to hear from someone who has only recently moved over to Web N Walk.
@ Monty Burns
1. There are better was to ensure that Web N Walk basic customers do not use their phone as a modem, such as a fair use policy, which they have. Why restrict how fast someone gets to that 1GB limit!
2. Yes back in the day 56K seemed fast, but you got to understand that the bar is constantly moving, back them most pages where static HTML, these days we have java, video streaming, audio streaming, not to mention bandwidth intensive apps such as Google maps.
I do notice the difference between what is effectively 3G speeds and WiFi. It’s frustrating and T-Mobile should see common sense and allow everyone to use HSDPA, it doesn’t cost them any extra to do so.
@ ns73
Please point me in the direction of the terms and conditions you read, as I cannot find this anywhere!
yes your correct, the bar is higher but .. why do you need 3.5g to do it? 3g is way fast enough and will happily fill up your phone very quickly!
I suspect there is some form of limitation to HSDPA connection/s which is why, if i was t-mobile, i would limit it to those paying for the full package. As your only supposed to be browsing, you just don't need 3.5 when 3 is still massive overkill.
I remember few years ago when HSDPA just came out I rung up T-mobile and they had to tick the box for HSDPA enabled. I believe you can also do this yourself by logging into the T-mobile website and managing your account
You don't get HSDPA with standard WNW, and while it may not have been stated when you connected, it was also not stated that you WOULD get HSDPA. If you connected to WNW over a year or so ago you may have slipped the net, and still have access at the higher speed.
As far as "ticking a box" is concerned, I don't believe this option is still present on their' systems, and even when it was it was simply for legacy purposes and you should have never have had it ticked in the first place.
The £5 isn't much extra to get the HSDPA, I don't mind paying it.
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You don't get HSDPA with standard WNW, .....
The £5 isn't much extra to get the HSDPA, I don't mind paying it.
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Exactly. Cough up and get the larger packet (about 2 beers a month!!!? If you can't spare that, you have more serious concerns), live with no HSDPA (why do you need it anyway when your not allowed to use it as a modem) or go to another telcom.
well i've just taken out my compact IV on tmobile, flext 30 with W+W my signal at home is shocking, but at work connects over HSDPA and returns between 992 and 1324 so far, just with standard and new line taken out on tuesday
@ Monty,
I have to disagree, while you may feel that 3G does fill your screen quickly enough, I find it slow and tedious. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on what they consider to be acceptable. I do not consider my current browsing experience to be acceptable.
There is a limitation to the number of connections per cell station. The cell station has algorithms built in to automatically share the data between HSDPA, 3G, GPRS, and GSM. However, this ratio is adjusted every few milliseconds on the fly and would only be a factor if a large number of people are downloading at the same time.
@ lx_t,
This option is no longer available on the T-Mobile website.
@ OK!
Your right WNW basic does not state that it includes HSDPA, but neither does any of the other WNW tariffs, so in that case as its not explicitly stated one way or the other, it is implicitly implied. Furthermore the MDA Compact IV is sold as a HSPDA phone, it does not state that this is subject to being on a particular WNW tariff.
imranbashir_uk said:
@ Monty,
I have to disagree, while you may feel that 3G does fill your screen quickly enough, I find it slow and tedious. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on what they consider to be acceptable. I do not consider my current browsing experience to be acceptable.
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Thats not the link. you cannot notice the diference between 3g and 3.5g on a web browser on your phone... unless the web page has tens of links to some seriously high megapixel pictures of course but then, the phone would cave in anyway.
Check out the link i posted above for the speeds. 3g is like using a ferrari to race a push bike when it comes to speeds needed for web pages. HSDPA is designed for "modem" use and heavy downloading and for web browsing is like using a Veyron.... if you think 3g isn't good enough, your never going to be happy with web browsing on a phone.
I've spent more than £5 pounds worth of my time trying to explain this and thats all it would cost you a month to get a little more priority on the t-mobile network and a higher fup. Why are you so cheap? Why should you get maximum speeds on cheapest package? its FIVE pounds.
Now, where's the nearest wall, i think it might be less painfull head butting it than this thread ....