Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
Koush said:
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
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Maybe you have already seen it .. but check out the 'NavDbgTool.exe' here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Testing_Tool
Riel said:
Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
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Good idea ! I was thinking about starting such topic..
What about a unlocker ? If you slide your finger from Home key to the Answer key and at the same time you slide your other finger from the Back key to the Don't Answer key ? Could be nice.. just an idea!
What I have seen, that is quite hard, since above and below the nav-pad is no touch-pad. It sees it as 'nav-pad action' then.
I thought of navigating in another way.
What multitouch-applications do there exist, and are any of them usable for the limited space we have besides the nav-wheel?
It DOES give 4 extra 'hardware' keys. Even key-combinations can be made
Maybe some genious will find a slick way of text-inputting via the 2 pads !
Just give it a small kick upwards
Dont let this topic die?
I was just looking at this for a bit, think I get some clues about how to get the data. I have a time-problem, though Will probably be a while before I pick it up again.
However, I think I saw Schaps mention he is using it in his new touchxperience UI, that'd mean he knows how to do it. Why not just ask him?
I can see one use already. Capacitive sensors are more responsive than resistive screens, so it would be cool to use this in place of touching the screen to scroll through touchflo3d tabs.
Surur
Does any one know if this is implemented in the touch pro? and if so, in what way? Maybe we will inherit whatever the pro has to offer in this regard.
YESSSS!
This is awsome!
Did you guyzz see the vid vid?
Unlocking the Diamond with no Hard button touch at alll?.
Cheers fellasss
Nice, looking forward to a nice task manager and launcher mouse pad thing in the future!
A mouse like on the Samsung Omnia would be a good idea.
Surur
Not really multitouch
OK, I've download the NavDBG tool and played with it... strictly speaking this isn't multitouch, or not multitouch in the way that the apple looks at it. It's single touch but split into 3 areas. Basically imagine the button area at the bottom of the diamond is split into 3 columns.
You have 3 single touch areas:
1) On the left with the home and dial buttons
2) In the middle tracking outside the circle or also detecting a touch (not a button press) inside the circle. If you finger touches both outside and inside the circle, outside the circle takes precedence
3) On the right with the back and hangup buttons.
The multitouch impression comes from the fact that all 3 of these single touch areas can be used simultaneously.
This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple, but it does mean that a device fairly limited in terms of buttons could get a lot of good enhancements to useability.
My biggest annoyance with the device is when you are trying to gesture in TF3D or in an app (eg scrolling in opera) and it decides you've tapped mid gesture and follows a link etc, using the louch sensitive lower areas for gestures would eliminate this problem and make for a much better user experience (in my opinion).
Also, for games, the potential to use the touch sensitive lower area for a range of game controls would be great.
So all good stuff, but not strictly speaking multitouch.
edit: Additionally it seems to only see a narrow horizontal band in the middle (wheel) section. Interestingly it seems to register about 1cm on each side of the wheel and inside the button, it seems to infer rotation around the wheel based on the finger movements as it crosses these areas.
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This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple
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Seeing how small the pad area it, this would still work, just with fingers on different sensitive areas. If fact, this sounds like a perfect first implementation - zooming in Opera Mobile (although a bit senseless since the scroll wheel works with one hand while pinching will need two).
Surur
i think the biggest advantage of this revelation will the benefit of some new added buttons. I can think of a few uses for them too.
left/right touch to
move fwd/back through tabs in opera
skip fwd/back tracks in music player
pounding the hell out of when playing daily thompsons decathalon (if anyone remembers that great 80's game)
I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I would love to see this!
My full on support.
I was thinking of using the touchpanels for a mousepointer control!
I know, when browsing opera, my fingers are too fat to click small links.
Must keep zooming.
I wonder if it was possible to pop up a mouse cursor, and move it with one small touch-panel. The other panel for left and rightclicks.
I have held my diamond with that idea, and I think it is very useful and finger-friendly!
CapacitiveFingerLock
I did make a Proof of Concept of CapacativeFingerLock. This one gives another possibility of locking/unlocking the Touch Diamond or Touch Pro.
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Hi !
I'm looking for a way to scroll with the thumbwheel (right now it's just as pressing up/down which does different things depending on the app). I know it could be done, since we have the finger scrolling which works as a REAL scroll, so if moving the thumb down would act the same as finger scrolling for 1cm, for example, than it would be a real scroll.
BTW: as i'm typing this, i'm starting to program an app to do it, so if i don't find a solution, i'l make one myself... muahahaha(evil laugh)... of course i'll share it... free.
Please tell me if you know a solution, so i don't waste my nights programming (again).
Thanks,
RPG
i haven't been able to find a solution and I looked high to low. I think the wheel should be more like a page down than arrow down.
I have never understood why you can't get it to go vertically. It does it on the program and settings but not on the today screen.
I think you are onto something here.
I saw one of the button mapping programs that allowed you to assign screen actions to buttons, but I am not sure how well it would work. If it did, I would imagine it could be pretty quirky and not the most efficient way to do in things, since you be basically reinterpreting another event. Sounds like it might be useful, but I would suggest maybe providing the ability to to toggle between the normal behavior and the true scrolling by double clicking the jog wheel button.
So I down loaded this:
http://www.innovisoft.com/virtuamouse/
Free trial, seems to work as stated. it gives you a mouse pointer that the direction keys control. But I got to thinking that the fuze has a touch sensitive control pad since Gscroll works with it. If one could get them both to work together (including double tap to open) you would have a regular laptop type touch pad control of the phone then. And control it one handed to do almost everything.
Is there a way to get Gscroll to work with this?
Looks good but there are two issues for Fuze users... #1, our directional pad is too low/flat for easy side to side scrolling. #2, the price for this program + Gscroll would be over $30.. lil steep for a virtual mouse.
Maybe someone thats handy at programming would take an interest in it. Doesnt look like much codewise, as both programs (mouse pointer and gscroll) are tiny bytewise. I wouldnt care if you had to swipe 2-3 times on the small Fuze touch pad to move the pointer across the device screen. At least you could do 99% of the control of your device one handed with a thumb then. Right now I have the mouse pointer set to my end call long key press to activate/deactivate it, and using the dpad buttons is a pain, along with having to press the center button as "click". Double tap and swipe on either side of the center button would be easy to control it.
I think,that it can be very useful with adjustable sensitivity. In comparison with Omnia/i780 touchpad,Raphael's space is much more bigger,so it couldn't be a problem. I am interesting too for kind tool.
I 've tried to make it work with Gscroll, but I had no luck...
Not only that, but it disables the gscroll functions...
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Maybe someone thats handy at programming would take an interest in it. Doesnt look like much codewise, as both programs (mouse pointer and gscroll) are tiny bytewise. I wouldnt care if you had to swipe 2-3 times on the small Fuze touch pad to move the pointer across the device screen. At least you could do 99% of the control of your device one handed with a thumb then. Right now I have the mouse pointer set to my end call long key press to activate/deactivate it, and using the dpad buttons is a pain, along with having to press the center button as "click". Double tap and swipe on either side of the center button would be easy to control it.
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How did you managed to change the functions of the Long Press End key, could you help me with that, please?
Hi Guys,
Just a quick one, has anyone found a way to calibrate the screen as I find that when trying to select text and stuff the cursor is way off my finger and it's a tad difficult.
Is there anyway to run a calibration like you used to have to do for WM Devices that used a stylus???
Thanks.
Jamie
I have the same problem but i am putting it down to the first time i have used a touch screen like this (had Touch HD last)
I actually think it's designed that way, ie so you can see where you are placing the cursor rather than having to guess where your finger is over which piece of text you are trying to alter, if you watch when you place your finger the cursor appears above your finger which makes it a lot easier to position in a bunch of text.
IMO it's a neat solution to not having a track ball for easy positioning for editing text.
To confirm - it is designed that way
That's fine and now you mention it, it does make sense, thought it was just me that's all lol Actually quite like it now I'm getting used to it. Used to be tricky to do this on iPhone as my finger covered up the word lol
I have to say I loled a bit when I read this, you can even see the cursor pop up from under your finger
I bought a Color Nook for my husband when they first came out, to replace his B/W Nook. Unfortunately he wasn't able to use the onscreen page turning. He has MS and it is too difficult to hold the tablet and swipe the screen without activating undesired functions.
What would be ideal is a stand and some way to control the page turning. I don't know if a wifi keyboard would work or not but I saw a mention of the wiimote in an earlier thread. Is that a possibility? (A wireless mouse might not be usable for someone confined to bed.)
I do have an old Android phone that I could use if there was a remote application, along the line of the Roku remote. I also have a Nokia N900 that I could sacrifice, if there is a Linux way to control the Nook and I do have lirc installed. I'm not a developer but I could probably do some simple scripting, if necessary.
Any links or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Terry
tapping on the left side of the screen will bring you back a page. tapping on the right will bring you forwards. you don't need to swipe
The Aldiko ebook reader app allows you to set the volume keys for page forward and page back. It's under Settings --> More --> Use Volume Keys. Hope that helps, should eliminate the need to swipe the screen.
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tapping on the left side of the screen will bring you back a page. tapping on the right will bring you forwards. you don't need to swipe
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I guess I wasn't very clear in my description. He has very little feeling in his hands, so when touching the screen he either taps too hard or not hard enough. It gets frustrating for him when things go bonkers because he can't control it. His balance is bad, too, so he tends to sway when reaching out, so his hands might land anywhere.
For some disabled people, this might be a very nice reader but there isn't a once size fits all.
That's why I wondered if my old G1 could control the reader. It would fit snugly in his hands and the Nook could be on a stand.
Terry
Bibliosaur said:
The Aldiko ebook reader app allows you to set the volume keys for page forward and page back. It's under Settings --> More --> Use Volume Keys. Hope that helps, should eliminate the need to swipe the screen.
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I will check that out. the volume buttons are not as accessible as the bezel buttons but worth a try.
Thanks,
Terry
you might try the new bluetooth enabled cm7 rom and use a wiimote to turn pages. I will be testing that out later this week when my wiimote gets in. I have neck problems so I need to keep the nook on an eye level stand.
Terry,
What if you were able to make him a large soft conductive stylus? It might be easier to him instead of trying to point with his fingers.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Soft-iPhone-and-iPad-Stylus/
You can also buy conductive silver thread on ebay for about 2 bucks.
Is there in the market some app that work's like a real handbook?
What i mean is that i don't need to change page to continue writing, the app it self goes down as i continue.
Can some help
Also looking for a notebook app like this.. anyone has any ideas? =)
One that automatically scrolls left/right/up/down when you reach the end of the zoomed part so you wont have to click or drag someplace else like lecturenotes and anitpaper notes does?
Lecturenotes is pretty great but I'm planning on using it for college, and it takes a while switching from pen to hand tool, drag, then back to pen tool then same process for only a couple of words..
FreeNote has something like this, although far from perfect - in one of the input modes, letters drawn in the lower part of screen are reduced and put in regular note's lines at top, each time when you get to edge of screen while writing you have to pause for a millisecond, then the input area moves and you can continue writing the line until it's end, then press newline icon and start next one so on and so on...
@alsseja: I am glad to hear that you like LectureNotes. However, there is no need to change to `hand´ mode for scrolling, the app comes with several better ways to move the page: In case you use stylus hardware or software detection or save zone, you can enabled one and/or two finger scrolling and zooming in all modes. Additionally, you can use the `arrow´ icon (hidden by default), the volume keys of your device, or a connected mouse to advance the page by an adjustable amount, plus a `page forward´ icon (hidden by default) to advance by one page. Last but not least, the app has an auto-forward mechanism that automatically moves the page horizontally or vertically when your writing crosses an adjustable boundary on your screen. Needless to say that all methods append new pages if needed. For further details concerning any of these methods, please have a look on the app's help page.
Try to use evernote..
It's the nice app..
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@alsseja: I am glad to hear that you like LectureNotes. However, there is no need to change to `hand´ mode for scrolling, the app comes with several better ways to move the page: In case you use stylus hardware or software detection or save zone, you can enabled one and/or two finger scrolling and zooming in all modes. Additionally, you can use the `arrow´ icon (hidden by default), the volume keys of your device, or a connected mouse to advance the page by an adjustable amount, plus a `page forward´ icon (hidden by default) to advance by one page. Last but not least, the app has an auto-forward mechanism that automatically moves the page horizontally or vertically when your writing crosses an adjustable boundary on your screen. Needless to say that all methods append new pages if needed. For further details concerning any of these methods, please have a look on the app's help page.
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I definitely agree with this one!! It is the BEST notes app for the note. I use it extensively for work and grad school!! Worth every penny!
@ultra99: Many thanks for your kind comments, I am glad to hear that.