Hi !
I'm looking for a way to scroll with the thumbwheel (right now it's just as pressing up/down which does different things depending on the app). I know it could be done, since we have the finger scrolling which works as a REAL scroll, so if moving the thumb down would act the same as finger scrolling for 1cm, for example, than it would be a real scroll.
BTW: as i'm typing this, i'm starting to program an app to do it, so if i don't find a solution, i'l make one myself... muahahaha(evil laugh)... of course i'll share it... free.
Please tell me if you know a solution, so i don't waste my nights programming (again).
Thanks,
RPG
i haven't been able to find a solution and I looked high to low. I think the wheel should be more like a page down than arrow down.
I have never understood why you can't get it to go vertically. It does it on the program and settings but not on the today screen.
I think you are onto something here.
I saw one of the button mapping programs that allowed you to assign screen actions to buttons, but I am not sure how well it would work. If it did, I would imagine it could be pretty quirky and not the most efficient way to do in things, since you be basically reinterpreting another event. Sounds like it might be useful, but I would suggest maybe providing the ability to to toggle between the normal behavior and the true scrolling by double clicking the jog wheel button.
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Is there a way for the scroll wheel to "scroll" within rows. For instance, I have SPB Mobile Shell and Phone Alarm installed. Both apps have multiple icons in a row. I can scroll to a row, but I can't scroll along a row.
Is there a fix for this?
Thanks in advance.
i'll take the silence as a no
diar said:
i'll take the silence as a no
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You might be right but it's generally considered reasonable to give it at least one if not a couple of days before bumping a thread.
So ironically, here's a free one on me!
Mike
i noticed that when i click programs or settings and use the scroll wheel it scrolls through every item in those areas. it just won't do it on the today screen.
i'll be a guinea pig. does anyone know the registry keys that govern the scroll wheel?
I am also interested in figuring this Horizontal Today Screen Wheel Scrolling...
It's a Scroll WHEEL, not a Track Ball!
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I am also interested in figuring this Horizontal Today Screen Wheel Scrolling...
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Isn't this why we have a D-Pad?
How can you expect a 1-dimensional control to work in 2 dimensions?
In Schap's ROM, the scroll wheel does scroll across the HTC Home.
2-dimensions
Geez chill cushcalc. I don't think he wants the wheel to be able to scroll up/down and left/right at will. Instead I think he wants it to scroll through each item in each today plug-in, instead of just scrolling from one today plug-in to the next. I.E.- scrolling down goes from the 1st item in htc home for example, to the second, to the third, etc... and then from the last htc home item to the first item in the next today plug-in. I know, I know, there are tons of retards posting tons of uber-retarded questions on this forum, but diar is posing a valid question.
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Geez chill cushcalc. I don't think he wants the wheel to be able to scroll up/down and left/right at will. Instead I think he wants it to scroll through each item in each today plug-in, instead of just scrolling from one today plug-in to the next. I.E.- scrolling down goes from the 1st item in htc home for example, to the second, to the third, etc... and then from the last htc home item to the first item in the next today plug-in. I know, I know, there are tons of retards posting tons of uber-retarded questions on this forum, but diar is posing a valid question.[/QUOTE
Mines does that. I thought that was normal. No? Never mind. On the Ver4 beta, it doesn't .. Sorry bout that
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diar said:
Is there a way for the scroll wheel to "scroll" within rows. For instance, I have SPB Mobile Shell and Phone Alarm installed. Both apps have multiple icons in a row. I can scroll to a row, but I can't scroll along a row.
Is there a fix for this?
Thanks in advance.
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Here's a free bump. Would love to have this feature as well, cuz I'd really to have one-handed use on the PDA. Using the D-pad requires thumb gymnastics which may result in dropping the phone
Even better, if there'd be a way to switch the scroll mode from line-by-line to page-by-page in certain cases, i.e. while browsing a document, or a web page.
Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
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Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
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Maybe you have already seen it .. but check out the 'NavDbgTool.exe' here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Testing_Tool
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Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
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Good idea ! I was thinking about starting such topic..
What about a unlocker ? If you slide your finger from Home key to the Answer key and at the same time you slide your other finger from the Back key to the Don't Answer key ? Could be nice.. just an idea!
What I have seen, that is quite hard, since above and below the nav-pad is no touch-pad. It sees it as 'nav-pad action' then.
I thought of navigating in another way.
What multitouch-applications do there exist, and are any of them usable for the limited space we have besides the nav-wheel?
It DOES give 4 extra 'hardware' keys. Even key-combinations can be made
Maybe some genious will find a slick way of text-inputting via the 2 pads !
Just give it a small kick upwards
Dont let this topic die?
I was just looking at this for a bit, think I get some clues about how to get the data. I have a time-problem, though Will probably be a while before I pick it up again.
However, I think I saw Schaps mention he is using it in his new touchxperience UI, that'd mean he knows how to do it. Why not just ask him?
I can see one use already. Capacitive sensors are more responsive than resistive screens, so it would be cool to use this in place of touching the screen to scroll through touchflo3d tabs.
Surur
Does any one know if this is implemented in the touch pro? and if so, in what way? Maybe we will inherit whatever the pro has to offer in this regard.
YESSSS!
This is awsome!
Did you guyzz see the vid vid?
Unlocking the Diamond with no Hard button touch at alll?.
Cheers fellasss
Nice, looking forward to a nice task manager and launcher mouse pad thing in the future!
A mouse like on the Samsung Omnia would be a good idea.
Surur
Not really multitouch
OK, I've download the NavDBG tool and played with it... strictly speaking this isn't multitouch, or not multitouch in the way that the apple looks at it. It's single touch but split into 3 areas. Basically imagine the button area at the bottom of the diamond is split into 3 columns.
You have 3 single touch areas:
1) On the left with the home and dial buttons
2) In the middle tracking outside the circle or also detecting a touch (not a button press) inside the circle. If you finger touches both outside and inside the circle, outside the circle takes precedence
3) On the right with the back and hangup buttons.
The multitouch impression comes from the fact that all 3 of these single touch areas can be used simultaneously.
This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple, but it does mean that a device fairly limited in terms of buttons could get a lot of good enhancements to useability.
My biggest annoyance with the device is when you are trying to gesture in TF3D or in an app (eg scrolling in opera) and it decides you've tapped mid gesture and follows a link etc, using the louch sensitive lower areas for gestures would eliminate this problem and make for a much better user experience (in my opinion).
Also, for games, the potential to use the touch sensitive lower area for a range of game controls would be great.
So all good stuff, but not strictly speaking multitouch.
edit: Additionally it seems to only see a narrow horizontal band in the middle (wheel) section. Interestingly it seems to register about 1cm on each side of the wheel and inside the button, it seems to infer rotation around the wheel based on the finger movements as it crosses these areas.
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This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple
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Seeing how small the pad area it, this would still work, just with fingers on different sensitive areas. If fact, this sounds like a perfect first implementation - zooming in Opera Mobile (although a bit senseless since the scroll wheel works with one hand while pinching will need two).
Surur
i think the biggest advantage of this revelation will the benefit of some new added buttons. I can think of a few uses for them too.
left/right touch to
move fwd/back through tabs in opera
skip fwd/back tracks in music player
pounding the hell out of when playing daily thompsons decathalon (if anyone remembers that great 80's game)
I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I would love to see this!
My full on support.
I was thinking of using the touchpanels for a mousepointer control!
I know, when browsing opera, my fingers are too fat to click small links.
Must keep zooming.
I wonder if it was possible to pop up a mouse cursor, and move it with one small touch-panel. The other panel for left and rightclicks.
I have held my diamond with that idea, and I think it is very useful and finger-friendly!
CapacitiveFingerLock
I did make a Proof of Concept of CapacativeFingerLock. This one gives another possibility of locking/unlocking the Touch Diamond or Touch Pro.
Ok, first to the admins/moderators - I searched my ass off trying to find a thread with my problem, to no avail... so if there is one, please excuse me...
So here is my problem - I find it very difficult to scroll any list with my finger because I just end up selecting some item from the list... Is there any registry setting to, lets say, delay the select behavior of TouchFlo? I mean, for example, I try scrolling my contacts, I AM able to scroll but almost immediately after I start scrolling I end up selecting some contact!?! Am I the only one with that problem? PLEASE HELP!
Bump. Anyone?
I just have the problem the other way around, I just can't select multiple items because everything starts scrolling...
try scrolling with finger in more center of screen
selecting works if you scroll motion on left or right side usually
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try scrolling with finger in more center of screen
selecting works if you scroll motion on left or right side usually
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Also , make it more of a " flick " with your finger, instead of a touch and drag scroll.
So there's no registry setting? I have tried changing settings in HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings, HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCGesture, HKLM\Drivers\Touchpanel, HKLM\Software\HTC\TouchScroll... can't seem to make any difference!!! The screen becomes more responsive, scrolling is faster/slower, but no effect on my problem - whenever I try to scroll I always end up selecting... there HAS to be some setting that determines the delay from scrolling to selecting behavior... it works so well on the damn iPhone... also works beautifully on the S2U2 settings screen... they should fire all the idiots at HTC and hire the S2U2 guys to do their interface!!!
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So there's no registry setting? I have tried changing settings in HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings, HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCGesture, HKLM\Drivers\Touchpanel, HKLM\Software\HTC\TouchScroll... can't seem to make any difference!!! The screen becomes more responsive, scrolling is faster/slower, but no effect on my problem - whenever I try to scroll I always end up selecting... there HAS to be some setting that determines the delay from scrolling to selecting behavior... it works so well on the damn iPhone... also works beautifully on the S2U2 settings screen... they should fire all the idiots at HTC and hire the S2U2 guys to do their interface!!!
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u should blow up their forums then
Oh well, I guess I'll just wait till some genius dev out there finds out the right registry key, I give up
I hate to say this, but I think that is the expected behavior or TouchFlo scrolling.
You can drag to scroll specifically (and I don't believe this selects anything, at least on my Tilt), or you can swipe to start kinetic scrolling. If you click while kinetic scrolling is occurring, I think TouchFlo causes a selection to be made (although in places where single-click activate is the default, I don't think it actually activates the item--it simply highlights it).
You may be able to resolve this by changing the TFLOSettings\FingerPressure value.
I had a problem for the first six months with TouchFlo where the context menu would pop up about one in three times I tried to scroll (swiping or dragging). This happened even the moment I started using the device. Completely and utterly unusable. But after the third or so time I tried adjusting TFLOSettings values in the registry, I finally solved the problem. I ended up with TFLOSettings\FingerPressure=0x64 (100) and TouchPanel\PressureThreshold=0xC8 (200).
I REALLY wish HTC or someone would produce a complete guide to customizing TouchFlo scrolling (including the meanings of the TFLOSETTINGS values). It really works well, once it is optimized. Although, it will be great if Microsoft builds scrolling into the Common Controls in WM6.5.
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Actually there are genius developers in here. I think you're just being a little picky, the touch flo works fine for me.
I think I recall a touchflo sensitivity setting in KaiserTweak. Get it, then try setting the Touchflo sensitivity to the most sensitive option possible.
Dave
+1 on Kaisertweek, altho I reduced sensitivity instead of increasing it. Technique counts too. I tend to use nails or stylus for browsers, especially Opera. Use keyboard for contacts, and scrollwheel to dial it from there. Every phone is different, but reducing sensitivity via Kaisertweek worked for me.
Problem solved
Finally figured it out and now it works perfectly. The culprit was the too high value in HKLM\Drivers\Touchpanel\PressureThreshold.... I put a value of 160 (dword:000000a0) and now I have almost iPhone experience
heres a thread closer !
to bring some closure to this thread, the following utility will solve all your touchflo woes!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=499837
I'm one of the 10% of left handed people in the world and was wondering if anybody had managed to make a rom for kaiser for us lefties if not then whats the best solution as the scroll bar on the right hand right means my hand is over the screen so i cant see while i have to scroll hope someone can shed some light on this
Try looking around here, although I don't remember seeing any left-handed ROMs there. As for the scroll bar, there was a thread about that in the Off-Topic forum a while ago, and although many agreed that it would be nice to do, nobody had the slightest idea how one would do so.
You might want to try a WM6.5 ROM, as they have excellent finger scrolling (so long as you disable Touchflo scrolling in Kaisertweak).
Dave
we should make a seperate lefties forum lol
I agree, for me, WM6.5 overall works great. Contact, home screen, app launcher scrolling were all seamless. and the old control panel type stuff is gone so you get to use the honeycomb to browse through the settings options.
for me it's way better than trying to use a tiny scroll bar no matter what side it's on.
Anyone ever heard of a way to remap the button on the S Pen?
I rarely use the Air menu in fact I actually disabled it in options.
I do however use the pen in my hand probably 95% of the time, I love the precision as well as having the ability to hover over something without clicking it like a mouse can.
My only thought is that it would be amazing to be able to press the button and have it register as a tap at the current location instead of having it pop up in the air menu.
I also would love to be able to modify that SVG Circle that Prince the current pin location on screen to something more visible and possibly add a trail or something. I'm guessing this would require rooting. I am a long time desktop developer but this is my first time really delving into Android and I have noticed so many hidden services and apps that I would love to kill but I can't so it looks like I may have to root anyway.
That prints* sorry I tried to edit the typos but the save wouldn't send. I'm assuming my you block extension here is blocking some script. I've pretty much disabled 90% of the functionality on this phone just to help secure it that's another thing I need to look into browser security.
+1 on remapping the pen button
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+1 on remapping the pen button
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Yeah I think there's a lot of potential for some really helpful and amazing functions. First time I used this and noticed it could track on screen without touch I thought that was something very special. And then when I found that it could register a button press while hovering I immediately thought of thousand applications for this.
Just one off the top of my head. Imagine having an actual useful text to clipboard function where you simply hover the cursor over text you wanted and click the button to highlight and let go of button to stop highlighting. It would make copying text on the phone just like using a mouse. I am so sick of having to long press and stay completely still for the damn thing to register. We shouldn't have to do that with this s pen.
I have tried before on rooted note 3 to remap the s pen button but the phone didn't recognize the command... always pop up s pen menu. I think surely you need root before trying or try adb push.
Regards
Conito, I would love to hear more in-depth description of your attempt to remap it.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gmd.spencontrol
this might be an option if you have rooted your phone.
it doesn't outright remap your button, but does let you execute commands by drawing lines or symbols while holding the button.
I haven't tested it since the note 2 though because I no longer root devices.
I have even wrote to Samsung asking for this. I want to be able to remap it for the eye dropper to when I'm drawing. It's set as the eraser from Samsung so hopefully someone will one day find a way to at least change the default tool (eraser) That might be easier than a whole other app or something.
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Conito, I would love to hear more in-depth description of your attempt to remap it.
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Sorry mate you have to quote, I didn't see your post until now.
I just try to remap with applications like xposed additions and stuff like that. But the app didn't recognize when I pressed the button. So the only thing we can do is get into the app that manage the spen command and edit it with tools or things like that. I remember that some guy in the note 3 forum develop a simple app that can launch that application. So maybe that could be the solution: edit the behavior of the original spencommand app.
My best regards.