I work for the government and for the next few weeks will not be able to have a phone that can take pictures with me. Is there a way I can either remove or disable the camera function so I can show that I can not take pictures with my phone.
I was gonig to say you can request a ROM, however I just took my laptop to Best Buy today to get it fixed so i can't cook. What i suggest is that you download XDA Live 2.0 and use it for the meantime since it doesn't come with a camera.
You can download a 20270 kaiser kitchen from ppckitchen.org. I think the camera OEM is optional in it, but if not, it's easy to identify which package is the camera and delete it. As an alternive, you can probably just reassign the camera button to a non-existent app and that will essentially disable it to the casual observer.
Most secure facilities don't want you to have the hardware, regardless of whether it is functional or not.
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You can download a 20270 kaiser kitchen from ppckitchen.org. I think the camera OEM is optional in it, but if not, it's easy to identify which package is the camera and delete it. As an alternive, you can probably just reassign the camera button to a non-existent app and that will essentially disable it to the casual observer.
Most secure facilities don't want you to have the hardware, regardless of whether it is functional or not.
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I will look at trying to disable the camera button. I will also look at the 2027 kitchen. I have not been able to get any kind of cooking to work though. I think the main problem is vista. I am not going to be in a very secure place, just a place that has made stupid rules haha.
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if that dosen't work or fly whit where I am going I will go your route thank you for the suggestions.
I also work for the government and if the phone has a camera on it period it is not allowed into secure sites period no matter if the "ROM" has it disabled. once they see that it has a camera its a security risk and the guards that do the intakes could careless that it doesn't work, as long as there is a camera there they will take it until you leave or worse take it for good. the best bet is leave it in the car when you go into secure areas that has always worked for me Also the kaiser can be used as a storage medium so it probably won't be allowed anyway. Since no type of storage media is allowed. Also it depends on how secure the site your going into is
I to Contract for the Goverment!
I agree with Austinsync since there is a Camera lens on it you will not get by Security. Also the fact that it can store data via internal memory and well as transmit via sms,mms and internet there is no way you will talk your way by Security. You could glue a piece of glass on a Sucrets can and they would take it away from you. In fact I had to sign a form stating that if I do bring in something like that in they have the right to take it. and you may not get it back. Where I am PDA's are not aloud ,Anything that can be used to transport data is a risk to them. So don't bother looking for a rom, leave the phone in the car besides most government facilities jam cell calls anyway so having a phone is of no use when your inside the building.
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I just have a "dumb" phone from back in the day. Just a basic as basic gets cellular. Still useless when im on site due to jaming
I don't work for the federal government. I work for the PA state Gov. I am being sent for training. The place I am going is not secure. No security. They say no cells because they don't want them going off during class. And since we have to stay over night they don't want people running around taking pictures of everything and everyone. We can have cells if we use them as alarms though. I think that if the camera is disabled or would say "no camera" if the button was hit that it would be sufficient for my situation. Even Kareem's suggestion probably would be enough to make the trainers happy if they would say anything. If not I will leave it in my car and go from there.
Also sorry about the post in the wrong area.
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. So this is the deal, I originally had an ATT Tilt. I had no problems! I synched though active sync, via bluetooth and over air with no issues. Two days ago I got a Fuze, I was ecstatic, but then my camera became disabled and I consistently could not access my storage card. The message actually came up saying that my "camera has been diabled for security reasons". WTF is that? I have hard reset the phone about ten times now and everytime before I set up exchange everything works beautifully, but after I have no camera and no sd card. Is this a known problem or is my Fuze busted? Please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it possible that this is a policy in your company being enforced by your IT dept via your exchange server?
Believe me, I've discussed this extensively with my IT department and they haven't made any changes to their exchange server policies. They have the same question I have! If the companies Tilts are all working with the same OS what hardware changes in the Fuze could create such an issue relative to their existent server policies?
Update! I also tested this on a co-worker's Sprint HTC Touch Pro and got the same results. He had to hard reset his phone to get full functionality again! My IT dept says that our server links to an https site if thats relevant to anyone. I'm not technically versed in that area. Hopefully someone has had a similar issue, and potential workaround?????
Its almost going to have to be coming from a setting on your Exchange server at work. See the attached screen shot. All of those settings are configurable on the server. Once you connect, it automatically downloads whatever policies are in effect. This screen shot is from an Exchange 2007 server. I no longer have a 2003 server but it is similar.
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Man, your awesome! I think IT was BS-ing me a bit, or they haven't bothered to check the settings themselves. I'm gonna break some necks and find out if these settings are the issue. Either way I'll report back my findings.
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Man, your awesome! I think IT was BS-ing me a bit, or they haven't bothered to check the settings themselves. I'm gonna break some necks and find out if these settings are the issue. Either way I'll report back my findings.
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They probably weren't BSing you. They probably haven't touched those settings since configuring the server. The Tilt has a different version of mobile office which probably wasn't compatible with and subsequently ignored those settings.
zenyaa stayunlock cab -- search for it, install it, THEN sync w/exchange (may require hard reset to kill existing settings)
I installed zenyaa stay unlock before syncing accidentally after a hard reset and i never even got prompted for pin's.. hopefully it'll ignore the other restrictions too...
Keep in mind, this may be against the law for some companies, use responsibly.
zenyaa!
I like the potential. For now however, I have flexed some executive privilege and got my settings changed. I got everything enabled except wi-fi. , but they are paying for my media plan so no real worries there. I will look into zenya though, it seems ridiculous to ask for normal features on a smart phone, but I guess my IT department is restriction crazy. Thank you all for your input, this issue is technically resolved for me.
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I like the potential. For now however, I have flexed some executive privilege and got my settings changed. I got everything enabled except wi-fi. , but they are paying for my media plan so no real worries there. I will look into zenya though, it seems ridiculous to ask for normal features on a smart phone, but I guess my IT department is restriction crazy. Thank you all for your input, this issue is technically resolved for me.
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From an IT view, it's a huge security risk having a device that you cannot regulate on your network. Not allowing removable storage might be a little much though, especially if they allow you to have usb flash drives. I wouldn't allow wireless at all though, regardless of who requested it.
To an extent, I agree with you.
In this specific case however, I think my IT could/should have been more forthcoming about their mobile polices. That would have made me more specific in my search for a new business phone. I could have gotten something with less features based on policy. That being said, I think it was more a reluctance to hear criticism from a non-IT person than it was to adjust the default settings. With the exception of Wi-Fi (for probably the reasons you stated!), there was no real issue in changing my settings.
Good day all,
With all the hubub about airport security screening your phone I'm interested in an 'airport app'. Namely, as opposed to full encryption (meh good if needed, but I don't really want to trade battery life for security) or the hassle of backing up an image, flashing a virgin phone image for travel, and then restoring the image after travel..
Why not create a 'sandbox' app of sorts. Start it, it simulates virgin or near virgin status, have an advanced unlock sequence to close it. The only issue, I see, would be if the phone was restarted while in 'airport mode' could it be triggered to restart in said mode.
After typing out my whole idea, I'm thinking the backup and flash of virgin rom might be a lot simpler. But I'm interested if any other world travelers, or US travelers would be interested in something like this.
So I guess the question is, anyone else thought about this, anyone know of something similar out already? Anyone want to develop something like this?
~HattZ
Screening in X-rays? What does it have to do with anything?
Or some other screening (don't believe it's technically possible - too many phones)? Can you point to your info source?
I don't understand the point of this, it is not like they take your phone and play with it when you go through security. In fact, mine has never been removed from my carry on when passing through security.
Maybe you have some evidence to support your theory that our phones data is at risk when passing through security checkpoints... but I doubt it.
Are you in the US? 'cause 1) that never happened, and 2) that would be illegal (to search the content of your phone), unless they had reasonable suspicion that your phone contained data that showed evidence of criminal activity.
They might 'touch' some phones to make sure they are real (as in really work vs being a bomb or something), but they wouldn't search the content of your phone.
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Are you in the US? 'cause 1) that never happened, and 2) that would be illegal (to search the content of your phone), unless they had reasonable suspicion that your phone contained data that showed evidence of criminal activity.
They might 'touch' some phones to make sure they are real (as in really work vs being a bomb or something), but they wouldn't search the content of your phone.
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Sorry, wrong answer, it is the US, most national travel is not submitted to this type of search. All international (incoming) travel can be.
Lots of interesting talk on it: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/11...r-Moxie-Marlinspikes-Laptop-Cellphones-Seized
Legal explanation: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment04/04.html
pertinent excerpt: "Border Searches .--''That searches made at the border, pursuant to the longstanding right of the sovereign to protect itself by stopping and examining persons and property crossing into this country, are reasonable simply by virtue of the fact that they occur at the border, should, by now, require no extended demonstration.'' 87 Authorized by the First Congress, 88 the customs search in these circumstances requires no warrant, no probable cause, not even the showing of some degree of suspicion that accompanies even investigatory stops."
A google search for "international travel us border checking laptops and phones" give about a million other examples, I'll throw a few below.
from Feb 12, 2008 (this isn't a new phenomenon, just getting more press)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/142429/five_things_to_know_about_us_border_laptop_searches.html
from 21 September 2009
http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/article.asp?articleid=86010
Don't like it? neither do I.
http://www.aclunc.org/issues/technology/blog/checking_your_privacy_at_the_border.shtml
ACLU excerpt (it's liberal, and slanted but a valid presentation of the worst case scenario): "Originally announced in July 2008, the current policy permits border agents to search electronic devices “absent individualized suspicion.” Agents may hold on to devices “for a reasonable period of time” to “review and analyze information.” In other words, border agents are legally able to take travelers’ information whenever they want at security checkpoints at airports or along the border, and hold on to it for as they long as they want. Agents may also copy information and send it off-site to be analyzed. The policy applies to all electronic devices, including computers, disks, hard drives, cell phones and cameras. Travelers have to be concerned about more than the possibility of security agents rifling through their belongings. Their private data might be compromised, erased, or kept indefinitely, and they don’t know how that data might be used."
Best I can say is nandroid + ext backup to your home computer, wipe phone before coming back into country, then recovery nandroid once you're back at home.
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Best I can say is nandroid + ext backup to your home computer, wipe phone before coming back into country, then recovery nandroid once you're back at home.
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Yeah, sorta realized that or something similar would be the most efficient. I'm thinking even a step lazier, nandroid backup to SD, restore a stock rom / clear sim card, remove SD, maybe even backup to laptop (truecrypt FDE - custom error message at boot saying master boot record is corrupt)
walk out of security, pop in SD, start nandroid restore...
sigh.. a sandbox app would be sorta fun though.
If they have a right to detain your laptop, clone your HD and you have to submit all your passwords - it's kinda useless to try and protect the data somewhere on the computer, and it's better just to back it up on microSD hidden in the suitcase - no way it'll be detained.
Definitely keep a copy of it on your computer at home, though.
airplanemode anyone?
Or turn of your phone.
I know what will make it a quick transition through airport security when flying international..
Put some heavy encryption on my phone, obfuscate my data, and then pass it off with a flimsy cover program to make it look like there is nothing there. That way if they do find it, it's GITMO TIME.
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If they have a right to detain your laptop, clone your HD and you have to submit all your passwords - it's kinda useless to try and protect the data somewhere on the computer, and it's better just to back it up on microSD hidden in the suitcase - no way it'll be detained.
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meh, at the lower tier of airport security a custom boot message from a full disk encrypted truecrypt volume. "please insert windows disk" "cannot find master boot record" or similar.. and a sob story about how your laptop stopped working on vacation and when you get home you have a friend that you hope can fix it..
gets by most, it's not NSA at every checkpoint. it's just over min wage, uneducated, folks..
so backing it up to laptop, and tossing micro SD card in the bottom of a bag or in a jacket pocket.. will work just fine.
Has anyone seen in the news the electronic readers the government is using which is capable of illegally stealing all private information from any type of smart phone?
Can anybody create a mod that will block a device like this from being used on the Nexus one?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/cops-us...l-cellphone-data-from-innocent-americans.html
Do you really believe what you read?
Say, 16GB of photos&data on iPhone, 1.5 minutes, count required transfer rate - quite simple - and then tell me, what kind of wireless connectivity does this "device" use to "steal data from unsuspecting people"?
Then ask yourself the first question again.
Now, if you look up the stated device's manufacturer site, http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products.html, you'll see that even in their photos it's perfectly clear this device has to be connected by wire to the phone. Does anyone in their right mind willingly connect the phone by USB to some device with unknown functionality? In that case, no, the data can't be protected.
Now, if you go even one more step further, and open the "supported devices" catalog on the site, you'll see that the only thing that can be done wireless to the iPhone is extracting phonebook - and I'm not sure about the requirement to allow the BT connection - but if you look up Nexus One, you'll see that it definitely has to be attached by wire to do anything with it.
And now back to the first question: do you believe everything you read?
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Do you really believe what you read?
Say, 16GB of photos&data on iPhone, 1.5 minutes, count required transfer rate - quite simple - and then tell me, what kind of wireless connectivity does this "device" use to "steal data from unsuspecting people"?
Then ask yourself the first question again.
Now, if you look up the stated device's manufacturer site, http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products.html, you'll see that even in their photos it's perfectly clear this device has to be connected by wire to the phone. Does anyone in their right mind willingly connect the phone by USB to some device with unknown functionality? In that case, no, the data can't be protected.
Now, if you go even one more step further, and open the "supported devices" catalog on the site, you'll see that the only thing that can be done wireless to the iPhone is extracting phonebook - and I'm not sure about the requirement to allow the BT connection - but if you look up Nexus One, you'll see that it definitely has to be attached by wire to do anything with it.
And now back to the first question: do you believe everything you read?
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But, it's on the internet, why would the internet lie? Are you calling the internet a liar?
I believe that if you soak your phone in warm, salty water overnight it will block this device - haven't tried though, so I can't confirm...
Umm... those Cellebrite devices are very real, and Michigan police are/were using them. The have the ability to pull the data off of thousands of different types of phones, over USB. I've never see Android specifically listed on their site, but I'd be willing to bet their devices can pull data from Android too.
That being said, I can't believe people are handing over their phones. This whole thing stinks of illegal search and seizure. But, they're getting away with it by saying the person willingly handed over their phone (even though I'd bet they're being coerced), There would be absolutely no way I'd hand my phone over to any LEO with out seeing a warrant first.
I was just mulling this over in my head... and I think the only way to block something like this would be to disable the data port on the phone. What that would involve from a software stand-point, I have no idea, and may not even be possible with how the hardware/software is designed... but that is basically the only way I'd see it to be possible.
Removing the USB driver (device functions) from the kernel would be enough, I believe.
In order for adb to work, you have to enable usb debugging. Wouldn't that be a requirement with this device, also?
ok just because I pulled this from prison planet doesn't mean its not true, it was the most convenient link at the time and hours later it was on front page of yahoo and all the major news sites. it would be easy for a police man to take your phone from you and hook it up to whatever they want.
Yep, saw it tonight on NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams. Looks scary with some cops not using warrants to get your phone on a traffic stop...
So apparently, I can't bring my laptop everywhere to get my thing done, but I had a thought of referring that to my phone. I find any trusted app/script to get the packets to cap file that would sit down in my sd card for further use. I'm not some evil mastermind that would go stealing anything(don't need anything now dough) This is purely for learning since I'm still learning about IT but trying to get ahead and since android is something that I'm still not sure of how it works.
And my other question: How can I get video calling on skype? I'm assuming it should work with GindgerDX but it doesn't.
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So apparently, I can't bring my laptop everywhere to get my thing done, but I had a thought of referring that to my phone. I find any trusted app/script to get the packets to cap file that would sit down in my sd card for further use. I'm not some evil mastermind that would go stealing anything(don't need anything now dough) This is purely for learning since I'm still learning about IT but trying to get ahead and since android is something that I'm still not sure of how it works.
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The question is ... why would you want to run a packet capture? The payload data in the packets is encrypted anyway - so there's no real way to (assuming evil intentions) crack down on the convos of other users being in the same WLAN/LAN segment. If you're worried about Man-in-the-middle attacks take my word that it won't work. If you wiretap a Skype<->Skype chat/call via a man-in-the-middle attack the connection would fail as Skype would recognize that the end-to-end encryption is borked.
Anyhow, whatever your idea is ... Google for "Pixie" ... that's a network sniffer for Android, and the only one I happen to know (as real men use tcpdump or Wireshark for network analysis anyway).
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And my other question: How can I get video calling on skype? I'm assuming it should work with GindgerDX but it doesn't.
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No. Skype Video only works on a selected range of devices (read up on the description in the Market) having a FRONT camera (a camera that's facing you and not a camera that's at the back of your device facing away from you).
Look around on XDA/Google (in other words: SEARCH!) and you will find out that there's a hacked version that has Video enabled for some additional devices, though I don't know if that would support the back camera of the W8/X8.
Yeah I'm kinnda sorry for the dumb question about skype cause I just always forget to look it up when I sit down on the web.
As for the sniffer thing. I dont know who would ever need to investigate packets affcourse I need to get the password. The sicuation is hard to explain, but lets say I need to prove that 14digs of just numbers is a stupid idea for long range wifi access password.
I cant get my laptop there so I need an alternative to get some packets and then easily get the password at home and as I sayed I'm not a genius in IT but I know how to use some of the features that backtrack provides.
In case you didn't know, Google has silently implemented FREE tracking for almost all androids. It also allows you to erase the phone if you feel that it's necessary, all you have to do is enable it as a device admin. I realize there have been apps on the market for a long time now that do this (and more) however Google doesn't require you to install or update any apps to use this service and from my brief testing it seems to work amazingly well right off the bat.
Go here and bookmark: https://www.google.com/android/devicemanager
it's about time they did this. i've hated having to install lookout or avast for decent location and remote wipe. now, that is more. further proof why you don't need an AV on your phone.
The only thing missing that I would like to see in future updates would be the ability to remotely lock the device so that a thief would have a harder time fooling around with the phone before you can track it. I've been using Where's My Droid for a long time but it lost the web interface tracking a while ago and that's been a bummer.
Is there any way to uninstall this useless feature? I never use GPS in my phone (because of the horrible reception, also because I am able to navigate without it), and also do not lose it.
Also, I already encrypted my device, so people can't do anything with it when they find it.
Also, whilst I am at it, I really do not like the way google forces their "content" down the wide opened throat of the community. I did not like the way they went with google services framework, and how you can't do jack sh*t without it, and I do not like the updates and "progression" they make.
Soo, any idea on how to get that off my phone?
Cheers!
PS: Everything I wrote is my own opinion, and if yours differs, at least RESPECT mine. If not, I could not care less about yours and do not get upset if I make fun of it. (Just in case some fanboy tries to attack me )
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Is there any way to uninstall this useless feature? I never use GPS in my phone (because of the horrible reception, also because I am able to navigate without it), and also do not lose it.
Also, I already encrypted my device, so people can't do anything with it when they find it.
Also, whilst I am at it, I really do not like the way google forces their "content" down the wide opened throat of the community. I did not like the way they went with google services framework, and how you can't do jack sh*t without it, and I do not like the updates and "progression" they make.
Soo, any idea on how to get that off my phone?
Cheers!
PS: Everything I wrote is my own opinion, and if yours differs, at least RESPECT mine. If not, I could not care less about yours and do not get upset if I make fun of it. (Just in case some fanboy tries to attack me )
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you can disable the google play services in a custom ROM (i think it's built-in to android 4.2.2) but it'll break the YouTube app, and as you said, you're limited without it. as far as like older ROMs go (ICS, GB, etc.), the app isn't built-in and you can uninstall it.
I personally find google play services somewhat useful (especially now with the ADM), and i use YouTube occasionally so i need it for that, but we all have our own opinions, as you said, and I'd personally like to keep things civil.
and if you hate the services that much, you can actually reflash the ROM you're using without Gapps. it will be a limited experience, but the Play Services won't be there
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Is there any way to uninstall this useless feature? I never use GPS in my phone (because of the horrible reception, also because I am able to navigate without it), and also do not lose it.
Also, I already encrypted my device, so people can't do anything with it when they find it.
Also, whilst I am at it, I really do not like the way google forces their "content" down the wide opened throat of the community. I did not like the way they went with google services framework, and how you can't do jack sh*t without it, and I do not like the updates and "progression" they make.
Soo, any idea on how to get that off my phone?
Cheers!
PS: Everything I wrote is my own opinion, and if yours differs, at least RESPECT mine. If not, I could not care less about yours and do not get upset if I make fun of it. (Just in case some fanboy tries to attack me )
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Other than what was already said I don't think there's a way to remove it, but just look at it this way... it doesn't take up any space and won't just activate by itself, so it's really not inconveniencing you in any way. I understand you don't want to be force-fed features that you don't want, and I absolutely respect that, but for many (myself included) this was a long overdue feature that will no doubt help many many users. This kinda stuff comes with the territory of owning a 'connected' device like a smartphone, so if you really want to get off the grid, just go back to a dumb-phone (yes they still exist).
Sorry for the "rant", but these updates cost me money, since I don't have a flatrare on my phone. (And Android OS still uses my data, whilst I have it turned off. Which is strange)
I actually do own "a few" dumb phones, one for calling, one for getting called, one for SMS.
So I am off grid, at least a little bit.
I actually never understood that feature. As I stated above, I am not the kind of person that loses stuff (OK, maybe sometimes my manners ) nor did I ever had something stolen from me. People tried, but never succeeded.
I am looking forward to Replicant, so I can finally shove my middle finger up Googles fat back-ends (of the wafer. Also it is somehow connected to the fat file system. Not what you thought )
Some day.. Soon.
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Sorry for the "rant", but these updates cost me money, since I don't have a flatrare on my phone. (And Android OS still uses my data, whilst I have it turned off. Which is strange)
I actually do own "a few" dumb phones, one for calling, one for getting called, one for SMS.
So I am off grid, at least a little bit.
I actually never understood that feature. As I stated above, I am not the kind of person that loses stuff (OK, maybe sometimes my manners ) nor did I ever had something stolen from me. People tried, but never succeeded.
I am looking forward to Replicant, so I can finally shove my middle finger up Googles fat back-ends (of the wafer. Also it is somehow connected to the fat file system. Not what you thought )
Some day.. Soon.
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Replicant is available for the galaxysmtd (international galaxy s). it's not fully functional though, because there aren't a ton of open-source libraries and drivers available. if you want replicant on this phone, you gotta learn how to code, and how to build from source.
supernexus is kinda like replicant except it uses a lot of closed-source libraries that make things work. as i said, just don't flash the google apps package. it's basically a clone of the Nexus firmware, as you get all the AOSP components, nothing more or less. oh and also, very minimal google integration without Gapps
How does it work
So does Android Device Manager track the phone or tablet by the hardware signature or by Google account? I ask because I lost my Nexus 7 last Monday and immediately changed my Google Account password. Now when I try to track the Nexus 7 using Android Device Manager it shows that it has not been used since last Monday.
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So does Android Device Manager track the phone or tablet by the hardware signature or by Google account? I ask because I lost my Nexus 7 last Monday and immediately changed my Google Account password. Now when I try to track the Nexus 7 using Android Device Manager it shows that it has not been used since last Monday.
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Hardware i reckon, when i used this it let's me choose which device I've used with my Google account. It sees phone as different again when I've flashed a new ROM.
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In case you didn't know, Google has silently implemented FREE tracking for almost all androids. It also allows you to erase the phone if you feel that it's necessary, all you have to do is enable it as a device admin. I realize there have been apps on the market for a long time now that do this (and more) however Google doesn't require you to install or update any apps to use this service and from my brief testing it seems to work amazingly well right off the bat.
Go here and bookmark: https://www.google.com/android/devicemanager
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CM Team Announces CyanogenMod Account For Remote Device Wipe/Tracking, Dual-Release Branches For Better Security
Posted by Ryan Whitwam in News
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ng-dual-release-branches-for-better-security/
CM guys still finding ways to 1-up google android :silly:
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