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TyTN II or Cruise

I am very confused reading all the foroums, both Kaiser and Cruise.
I really dont know which one to buy.
My only concern for Kaiser is its weight and thickness. I dont mind the lack of FM radio on Kaiser. But the keyboard is it really handy.
On the other hand can you really type on cruise without the keyboard?
Is there any difference on the screen. I mean, is the Screen of the Cruise more touch sensitive? Is the Cruise more responsive to finger tapping?
Also, Is there any difference using them in direct sunlight?
Apart from the keyborad and FM radio are there any other significant differences? The Cube u can also have on Kaiser.
Please advise
Thanks

Well because of this site you can probably have teh cube on any device you want almost, so that shouldn't be a decision maker.
As for responsivness, this can be changed via software on the devices, (screen sensitivty, touchflo gesture delays, etc). Not device specific i dont believe.
Yes, the kaiser is a little thicker and heavier, but no matter what device i have, its going in the same pocket or hand, regardless of size.
My guess is that the screen material is the same for most devices, so i don't see that being a difference either.
AS for the cruise keyboard, i am assuming it will use the same keyboard the htc Touch has, the big button on screen keyboard. This you canalso get for the Kaiser, though right now it's having its problems with the xt9 functionality sometimes. I use PocketCM keyboard with an XL touch skin that makes it better for 1 thumb screen typing.
I don't think you should be worried about apps that come with either device.
As you said, the big differences are FM radio/hardware keyboard/weight. I guess it depends what you want more.
As for other hardware i don't know what the cruise has, maybe the same, but i do know the kaiser is full hardware buttons and dial for scrolling, etc. I love all the hard buttons as you have 4-5 ways of navigating your device depending on how you are holding it. on screen taping, cube navigation, left side buttons for navigation, front face plate buttons for navigating, stylus for navigating.
They hardware keyboard on tytn ii was really what sold me, and the tilting screen. i MUST have a hardware keyboard, and this one is huge.

thank you very much...was very helpful.
how can you put the Cube on Kaiser?

chris2004 said:
thank you very much...was very helpful.
how can you put the Cube on Kaiser?
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This should help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354715&highlight=htc+cube

YOu can look at the kaiser upgrading section for Kaiser, or development and hacking. Just read as much as you can you will learn a lot and it ends up being very easy if you follow instructions. Also use the search function of hte forum.
People rip the cube application from Touch and make an installation file so you can install on whatever device. They even make apps so you can configure what buttons do what, what gestures (left to right, top to bottom, etc) do what. It's really quite amazing.
Another fellow made a cube clone out of Flash which was customizable. THe same fellow is now working on a new cube clone that is ridiculously fast compared to his flash cube and the original htc cube, where you can customize also.
Developers on this site are amazing and do a great job of getting us apps that other devices come with. New people like yourself, and me awhile ago, don't realize that just because the Touch has cube navigation, doesn't mean our kaiser can't have it. THe devices may look totaly different on the outside, but on the inside they are almost the same.

HTC diamond home plugin

Hi everyone,
i truely believe the new 3d Touchflo is a piece of art technology, however, could anyone here kindly to link me how to install the previous HTC home plugin ...coz i found it's more easy to use at this moment.
thks alot

search my friend
http://www.google.com/custom?num=10...:forum.xda-developers.com+htchomeplug&spell=1
Rory

chocodip said:
Hi everyone,
i truely believe the new 3d Touchflo is a piece of art technology, however, could anyone here kindly to link me how to install the previous HTC home plugin ...coz i found it's more easy to use at this moment.
thks alot
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The HTC CIO may be curled up in a corner crying now...

crying?
i think he has tears in his eyes from laughing.
why do a lot of people always insist that older is better.
touchflo 3d has way more options and is much fingerfriendlier than the old version.
so just a tip: do not use your stylus, but use your fingers. you will find that using the touch flo 3d really is a lot easier

looks beautiful runs terrible
i gave up! touchflow 3D, simply too slow and couldnt catch up with my finger.
will leave it for showing off when demo to friends only...

Yeah, it's not easier at all. It's much more work to get to the media player now, where as I could assign it to a hardware key on the Kaiser. Navigating the Kaiser with keyboard mnemonics was definitely faster and easier. TouchFLO 3D requires so much more finger/hand/eye movement in order to access the same information that would have been already on your screen right away.
I also hate having to scroll through all of the Cities in the US in order to get to Yonkers, NY for the weather. It was way easier when I could just type the name of the City in the HTC Home plug in. These iPhone-style lists are horribly frustrating to use.

I, think the regular touchflo is simpler to use because it is exactly that (simple) & boring... a few tabs and thats it. However TouchFlo3D has much more options, looks sweet, touch friendly & interactive; the fact that it takes more time to getting use to or figuring out does not bother me at all.
With this new plugin I rarely see the windows UI and I think that makes a huge difference, at least for me it does.
Another point to consider is how you use the device or what for? I use it primarily for the web, weather, texting & GPS & all of these are extremely easy for me to get to. As far as the extra scrolling to choose a specific city under weather should not be in issue, I set my city & a couple others in no-time when I got my phone and that's it no more scrolling.

I remember some time ago nokia, samsung, SE, mortorola etc all the big names done some stuidies and figured out the max number of key presses it should take to get to ANY menu option. It seems with all this fancy scrolling lists and interfaces thats lost now.
Even in an iphone - which you may hate, but is probably the best touch interface - its not exactly fast to get to things.

someone1234 said:
I remember some time ago nokia, samsung, SE, mortorola etc all the big names done some stuidies and figured out the max number of key presses it should take to get to ANY menu option. It seems with all this fancy scrolling lists and interfaces thats lost now.
Even in an iphone - which you may hate, but is probably the best touch interface - its not exactly fast to get to things.
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I've said this before - in experiments comparing the iPhone and the old TouchFLO, it was faster on average to get to things using TouchFLO.
adamz said:
Yeah, it's not easier at all. It's much more work to get to the media player now, where as I could assign it to a hardware key on the Kaiser. Navigating the Kaiser with keyboard mnemonics was definitely faster and easier. TouchFLO 3D requires so much more finger/hand/eye movement in order to access the same information that would have been already on your screen right away.
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Well, the devices are aimed at completely different markets. HTC generally aim their devices with keyboards at business users, whereas the Touch Diamond is a high-end general consumer product.
slickvic said:
i gave up! touchflow 3D, simply too slow and couldnt catch up with my finger.
will leave it for showing off when demo to friends only...
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There are now tweaks that will speed up TouchFLO 3D quite a lot. Search this forum.

so......
will the old type of htc home plug in work with diamond?
i too was happy using it (on my trinity)
would be nice to have the choice
with the tabs you had people..weather apps...and more
so does anyone know before i bugger my diamond up

I think TouchFlow 3D is great, easy to use and looks very nice.
The only thing I'm missing are my tasks on the Todayscreen. On my Touch I used them as a reminder for certain things, but when you don't see them right away when turning on the phone they're useless.

I installed a Version of HTC Home Plugin earlier today on my dad's diamond and well... i guess it just isn't fit for a VGA Display. It is very small and the porportions are messed up. Anyone already tried to get HTC Home to work or knows of any VGA Version maybe?

I used to use Touch Commander on my Asus P750, as far as I'm concerned it's an exact copy which will work in VGA mode, as the P750 also had a VGA screen.
http://www.touch-commander.com/
But then again, with Dutty's ROM and the registry tweaks, TF3D runs pretty smooth.

Htc home vga
Samson711 said:
I installed a Version of HTC Home Plugin earlier today on my dad's diamond and well... i guess it just isn't fit for a VGA Display. It is very small and the porportions are messed up. Anyone already tried to get HTC Home to work or knows of any VGA Version maybe?
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Alright, I have had this issue too. Here is a cab for the Home Plugin for VGA devices (works on my TP).
I AM NOT TAKING CREDIT FOR THIS, JUST SHARING THE .CAB I FOUND SOMEWHERE ON THIS FORUM LOOKING FOR THIS. MADE BY PJC
Hope this helps out those who need it.
EDIT: For some reason could not upload file, nonetheless, I found the download, click on the link and download. http://rapidshare.com/files/128745613/PJC_HTCHome.cab
Also, for those that want the thread and updates from it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406418

Touch Screen Typing

Hi all
I am thinking of getting this phone when it is released in the uk. but i really only have one issue which i want your opinions on, and that is whats the typing like on the screen (i use a iphone at the mo and its really good) has anyone used both, if so are they the same.
any help on this would be great
Many thanks
Neel

No, they're not the same. With diamond it's quite pointless to type without stylus, because you'll make too many mistakes. I use full qwerty keyboard and stylus, works well.

I to have both an iPhone and a Diamond and I can confirm that they're definitly not the same. The iphone is a lot better when typing, part of that comes from the larger screen but also the sensitivity. If you require typing a lot, I'd stick with the iphone or get a device that has a HW keyboard. Such as the upcoming touch pro.

omegaz said:
No, they're not the same. With diamond it's quite pointless to type without stylus, because you'll make too many mistakes. I use full qwerty keyboard and stylus, works well.
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I type without the styles, using full qwerty and that works fine for me. It also helps to do some registry tweaks on pressure settings of the touch screen. The iphone's touch interface is more responsive though.

I use the compact qwerty with T9 activated and I find it quicker than using my previous phone (Nokia N73).
I have the ipod touch and I am not able to write with just one hand on it, and that bugs me... but with the diamond I can type with just one hand and the compact qwerty (2 letters per buttom). I think it's just a personal preference...

First of all the Diamond has been officially released in the UK for about a good week or so....i have one.
Secondly i use the full qwerty keyboard and have absolutely no trouble typing withmy fingers...in fact its great. I use the stylus as well and it works well too.
I have an ipod touch and i find typing on that to be a chore, i make way too many mistakes on the ipod touch compared to the Diamond.
If you buy the phone then make sure you do the tweaks listed in the tweak thread or better still flash to the TLR rom and all thos tweaks above are enabled.
Typing on the Diamond is a joy, typing on the ipod touch isnt in my opinion.

Spawn12 said:
Typing on the Diamond is a joy, typing on the ipod touch isnt in my opinion.
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I have to agree - coming from an iPhone to a Diamond, I find the Diamond much better. I NEVER use the stylus at all and type with the full QUERTY. Its much quicker as all the symbols and numbers can be typed by holding another key for a few seconds rather than entering a new menu to do it.
I haven't adjusted the sensitivity at all, but I do find the Diamond needs a slightly harder touch... however it does work with a pair of gloves on (unlike the iPhone).
The only dissapointing thing with the Diamond typing that Apple have nailed is that if you're typing a word and press the key next to the one you want by mistake it doesnt auto correct it. If you press the wrong key on the Diamond, you just get the wrong word!

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The only dissapointing thing with the Diamond typing that Apple have nailed is that if you're typing a word and press the key next to the one you want by mistake it doesnt auto correct it. If you press the wrong key on the Diamond, you just get the wrong word!
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I guess it will be just a metter of time until someone will figure out a software with the same capabilities as the one from iphone
HastaSSSS

s1rl4ncel0t said:
I guess it will be just a metter of time until someone will figure out a software with the same capabilities as the one from iphone
HastaSSSS
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This is not going to be fully possible. Hardware wise, the iPhone has a proximity sensor which will detect where your thumb/finger is going to hit on the onscreen keyboard and virtually enlarges the surface area of the suggested key to ensure that you are going to hit the correct key. It will also auto-correct the word based on it's huge library.
In addition to this is the obvious size of the screens, the Diamond's being smaller making it harder to type. The onscreen full QWERTY that HTC have implemented in the Diamond is quite poor and is prone to keystroke errors if you're a fast typer *like myself*.
I am currently using PCM Keyboard however and is somewhat 'closer' to that of the iPhone's keyboard capability, where the included dictionary will analyze the keystrokes of a word you type and will try match your keystrokes with the closest/most suited word in its dictionary by substituting incorrect letters with more correct letters surrounding that of the incorrectly entered key.
The iPhone keyboard, is without a doubt, the best onscreen keyboard I have used and I really do miss it. This doesn't go without saying that I do really love my Diamond too, I just wish there was a better keyboard implemented.

The iPhone/Touch is hands down better than any Windows Mobile device when it comes to the onscreen software keyboard. There is simply no comparison. I get that some people find the Diamond better but to be honest, and coming from a hardcore WiMo fan who's gone through at least ten PocketPC devices, the iPhone's keyboard blows any WiMo device away.
Part of the reason is the size of the keyboard and the sensitivity, but even on the HTC Universal with its huge screen, it wasn't as easy as typing on the iPhone. The real secret of the iPhone's ease of use is its Autocorrection feature. To date, there is only one SIP keyboard on WiMo that comes close and it is not PCM Keyboard, it's Touch Pal.
I recommend giving Touchpal a try; it does key proximity sensing the same way the iPhone does, so if you type in "hrllo" it will change it to "hello" after you press the space bar. The dictionary though is bigger and offers more word choices, and isn't as smart as the iPhone's so the iPhone keyboard is still overall better. But Touch Pal isn't half bad.

suggest you check the dates on this thread your nearly 11 months late answering!! lol

Phone keypad and T9 seems about as fast as my old Nokia
Love it.

Why HTC Touch Diamond has Multitouch

Why HTC Touch Diamond has Multitouch if it is never used ???
watch the video
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hljoYtITLJY&feature=related

wow...that's really interesting!
I'm new to the diamond so I dont know too much about it yet, but that looks quite exciting!

adempozhari said:
Why HTC Touch Diamond has Multitouch if it is never used ???
watch the video
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hljoYtITLJY&feature=related
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sry but thats not "multitouch" as people know it.
People reffer to multitouch when you the touchdisplay can handle more then a single input.

Hornet331 said:
sry but thats not "multitouch" as people know it.
People reffer to multitouch when you the touchdisplay can handle more then a single input.
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Let's say the touch screen (display?) is not multitouch, but the touch pad is.
The question of the topic has not been answered yet then:
why there is no ROM/Software using this multitouch function?
It would be great for control, for instance in games, to be able to use this multitouch function and other functionality of what seems to be one of the more advanced touch pad in mobile phone industry.
It looks like HTC was just trying out the hardware and drivers for this function and saves its use for future phone releases...

It's not true that no software uses the touch panel - any software using smart scrolling or zooming is using this fuction, also HTC camera uses it for autofocus. Some members here have also attempted to use it for locking/unlocking applications, among other things.
The problem is that none of the other 'big' developers are writing just for the Diamond.

adempozhari said:
Why HTC Touch Diamond has Multitouch if it is never used ???
watch the video
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hljoYtITLJY&feature=related
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TouchLockPro uses the capacitive hardware area for unlocking.

Yes but no one is using the "multi" touch properties of the touchpad.

the_scotsman said:
Yes but no one is using the "multi" touch properties of the touchpad.
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True, but can you think of any uses?
Also, to be pedantic, this is not multi-touch - it's simultaneous use of separate controls, something that WM 6.1 has always been able to handle.
(posted from my HTC Touch Diamond)

Davey101 said:
It's not true that no software uses the touch panel - any software using smart scrolling or zooming is using this fuction, also HTC camera uses it for autofocus. Some members here have also attempted to use it for locking/unlocking applications, among other things.
The problem is that none of the other 'big' developers are writing just for the Diamond.
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You must have missed the point of this thread and the point I was stressing in my post: Multitouch.
The program you're talking about, uses the capacity of touch panel for REPETITIVE touches at the same point, but not the MULTI-TOUCH capacity at the same time.
Same thing for smart scrolling, it does use the directional capacity of the touch panel, but not the simultaneous touch of different areas of the panel.

Davey101 said:
True, but can you think of any uses?
Also, to be pedantic, this is not multi-touch - it's simultaneous use of separate controls, something that WM 6.1 has always been able to handle.
(posted from my HTC Touch Diamond)
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It's true that this is not pure multitouch, but at least it is simultaneous use different areas of the same control panel.
The question is not whether or not Windows Mobile has the capacity to use it. It is which program (except that specific HTC Debug Tool of course) available for Windows Mobile is actually using it... I can think of none.
If you're asking for ideas, there are loads of applications using it on the Iphone (games, browsers etc.). I don't see why it can be used on the Iphone and not on the Touch Diamond and Pro.
Except what I was pointing out in my post: lack of real will and policy to do it.
Apple has clearly focused its marketing policy on this multitouch capacity while HTC has not...
As I said, they just tested the hardware and drivers and saving the actual development for future devices...
But it is a fact that those capacities are under exploited. At least, they could have specially designed one or more games just for making use of this feature like they did for Teeter and the accelerometer.

here's an idea for the touch panel we all know our diamond has four buttons the two phone buttons a back and home button but with the multi-touch or whatever you want to call it you could have the ability to add four more buttons and then remap all of them for instance touching the phone button would bring up the phone and pressing it would launch a program. Maybe we can find some one to make that.

There is no multi touch because windows mobile 6.1 doesn't support it. When windows 7 comes out, it will support multi touch and we'll see the touch pro take advantage of that.

Hardware touch pad
The hardware pad reacts like an I-pod. If you open a photo, you can zoom in-and out with both fingers like an I-pod (zooming in by moving your fingers to each other, zooming out by moving the opposite way). It is a bit unsensitive but it works !

ok if there are apps out there that use this, does anyone know wher the API is?? Thanks!

may be HTC is waiting for WM7.0
I think touch pad can not be used often

yes but someone mentioned apps that use these features in another thread, also, the NavDbgTool uses it, so there definately is some undocumented functions!!
*prays that someone hacks it!*

giddy said:
yes but someone mentioned apps that use these features in another thread, also, the NavDbgTool uses it, so there definately is some undocumented functions!!
*prays that someone hacks it!*
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yes , i started this thread to find out if someone can hack them...for example to answer a call just by touching the pad....

I think due Apple has patent on the multi-touch , so MS can't do it , about the patent u can see example:
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2006/10/09.2.shtml

psvillars said:
here's an idea for the touch panel we all know our diamond has four buttons the two phone buttons a back and home button but with the multi-touch or whatever you want to call it you could have the ability to add four more buttons and then remap all of them for instance touching the phone button would bring up the phone and pressing it would launch a program. Maybe we can find some one to make that.
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This sounds very much like GScroll:
http://www.mobilesrc.com/GScroll.aspx

vondee7 said:
The hardware pad reacts like an I-pod. If you open a photo, you can zoom in-and out with both fingers like an I-pod (zooming in by moving your fingers to each other, zooming out by moving the opposite way). It is a bit unsensitive but it works !
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Just to add comment on this... being able to use two fingers to zoom in and out does not mean it's multi-touch... it's actually calculating an average of your 2 touches, which is why you're finding that it's less sensitive. If you just use one finger and rotate it around the pad then it zooms in and out with a good level of sensitivity.

Is there anything stronger than the Kaiser, that's still QVGA?

I love this Kaiser. Scroll wheel and the abundance of buttons are very handy, especially with this revolution of every new phone just having a few face buttons, or being totally impractical for gaming.
Got it running AthineOS, loaded all my favorite apps on it and everything's great
...except two things.
• The power and memory (400mHz, 128/256MB) just ain't cuttin it
• Screen touches cause applications to slow down at least 30%?
My phone before the Tilt was actually 624mHz (nTC Touch VIVA... it was okay, but too many sim card/TF connection issues, 2G was killing me inside, and I HATE onscreen keyboards)
I've found stronger touch screen WM6 phones with real keyboards, but none of them are QVGA (some aren't even WM6 anymore), and in being so, will not work with a lot of my apps that haven't been made to work with higher resolution screens.
The tilt 2 doesn't seem to have the scroll wheel or the abundance of face buttons, but it is more powerful... if I get something that is not QVGA, and runs 6.5, will I still be able to use my QVGA WM6 apps?

Hmm, I'm not sure if this is the right place for this question. In all honesty it doesn't have to do with the Tilt, more of the app and other phones.

isnt the Tilt-2 WVGA?