I thought this issue was related just to me using a car/cigarette lighter charger not specific to my devices but now I am not convinced!!
I have found that with my Diamond (and previously my Kaiser) that on an extended trip in the car, on a warm-hot day, with the device stuck to the dash windscreen, and running GPS software (Tomtom) that the device gets overly hot......no kidding you would think as it is in the direct sunlight (not often in Scotland though ) HOWEVER this is not the issue, the issue is that after a while it just stops charging (~30mins), presumably as a safety mechanism to cut down the heat and to stop the Li battery, er...exploding
My question is: has anyone else had this issue? Its rather inconvenient to arrive at your holiday destination, or other, only to find that your device has been totally drained as its been running (yes it still runs!!) on battery for the last hour or two. Surely this is something HTC must look at!!
Has anyone else had this issue (I've read of a few....hence this post!) esoecially those in a warmer climate, and if not, could it be because of a better? in-dash charging system...
Last note, these device are built with GPS (supposedly for car use!), if this is a real issue then it is what I would call flaw in the device......
Appreciate all comments please (especially from HTC/battery/device charging experts)
Read that already here that the Diamond stops charging when getting too hot! It seems that this is a built in overheat protection maybe for the battery but also for all the other electronic parts. Think they´ve implement it beacause of the very slim device design where there is less room to get rid of higher temperatures to protect it.
I had this issue not on my diamond till now, its only two weeks old, but I can report similar things about my Loox 720 and have red many posts regarding hp 4700 when they where the leader on pda-market a few years ago.
Charging the battery will be stoped by the device-electronics, after reaching a curtain temperature, this is common to all LiIon-charging electronics, I think.
What I've heard about the Diamond is, that it should help to swtich of WLAN, cause it tends to develop much heat.
Hi
Yes, initially I beleived it was to little amps from my 12V charger but I got the "to hot-not charging" tip from another tread in this forum.
As soon as my Diamond got colder it started to take charge again.
My car does not have an air conditioner and I need to put it on the dashbord to get satellite signals. I have not found a good solution yet.
stefan
PJ6363 said:
I thought this issue was related just to me using a car/cigarette lighter charger not specific to my devices but now I am not convinced!!
I have found that with my Diamond (and previously my Kaiser) that on an extended trip in the car, on a warm-hot day, with the device stuck to the dash windscreen, and running GPS software (Tomtom) that the device gets overly hot......no kidding you would think as it is in the direct sunlight (not often in Scotland though ) HOWEVER this is not the issue, the issue is that after a while it just stops charging (~30mins), presumably as a safety mechanism to cut down the heat and to stop the Li battery, er...exploding
My question is: has anyone else had this issue? Its rather inconvenient to arrive at your holiday destination, or other, only to find that your device has been totally drained as its been running (yes it still runs!!) on battery for the last hour or two. Surely this is something HTC must look at!!
Has anyone else had this issue (I've read of a few....hence this post!) esoecially those in a warmer climate, and if not, could it be because of a better? in-dash charging system...
Last note, these device are built with GPS (supposedly for car use!), if this is a real issue then it is what I would call flaw in the device......
Appreciate all comments please (especially from HTC/battery/device charging experts)
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Don't they say in the manual of every electronic device, don't put it in direct sunlight. Li-On batteries dont like to be too hot or too cold, it's not something HTC can fix I don't think, just don't leave the phone in direct sunlight.
My old Kaiser user to do this when I had to go out in the company van instead of my air conditioned car. I found folding a piece of white paper in half and using it as a "phone hat" made quite a big difference.
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Don't they say in the manual of every electronic device, don't put it in direct sunlight. Li-On batteries dont like to be too hot or too cold, it's not something HTC can fix I don't think, just don't leave the phone in direct sunlight.
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LOL guys, perhaps we need to put a little parasol on the dash or maybe keep it in the glove compartment!!!
...seriously, I would like to think that this is a flaw, after all, where else can you safely put a "GPS device with street naviagation in your car"...it has to go on the w/screen or dash!!
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My question is: has anyone else had this issue?
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Yes, I've hadi the same problem. The only solution that I've found is to put the phone on a support near the car fan, so it can be cooled. Otherwise when became too hot stop charging and after half an hour the battery is totally out. !
It's a good thing, if you charge a battery in a too hot environnement, you kill it.
I can confirm this. I tried to navigate for 2 hours in my car, TD attached to my w/screen and after half an hour or shorter it shut down. And I couldn't get it on either. Wouldn't charge or anything. I had to wait a few minutes and then it would charge again. This happend two times during the same drive. After that I placed my TD infront of a fan and worked like a charm..seems like it gets to hot.
Oh yea btw. I also noticed I had, what looks like melted plastic, inside my phone after the drive (attached image)
http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=14095
something like that would be perfect. Alternatively, using something like AEButton plus to map a key to turn off the screen will help as it will lower the power consumption. you can still hear the turn by turn instructions so you can still get where you are going most of the time, and the lower power drain will allow the battery to charge for longer without the temperature protection kicking in.
What i usually do is to just putt the air-con full blast on the winshield, it is usually a better idea to keep expensive electronic equipment in the normal operating temperature range anyway,
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Oh yea btw. I also noticed I had, what looks like melted plastic, inside my phone after the drive (attached image)
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On a different note, has your Diamond received a soaking? It likes like the water-sensitive sticker (used by HTC to tell if it's suffered water damage) is red on yours which suggests it has...?
Mathew
Happened on the Tytn and Tytn II as well~
Well, I am so sad to see this is still an issue.
My 8525 (had 3) and my Tilt(s) (I have 2) and they have run into the same problem of not charging under heavy use; i.e; Backlight on, Tomtom, GPS all running.
I so hoped they would have fixed this.
ATT has replaced all the phones that developed the problem so far.
I think one of the comments about being designed for in car use is amusing especially because most (if not all) GPS software says "Do not use while driving"
Batteries do overheat, and it's better that the charging is stopped, than you having a £400 fire on your dash board!
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http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=14095
something like that would be perfect. Alternatively, using something like AEButton plus to map a key to turn off the screen will help as it will lower the power consumption. you can still hear the turn by turn instructions so you can still get where you are going most of the time, and the lower power drain will allow the battery to charge for longer without the temperature protection kicking in.
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for example in iGO 8 there is an option to turn on the screen backlight only before crossroads - settings - device and you have an option to have light olways on, device settings or inteligent state when light is always turned of after passing crossroad and turning on some x hundred meters before crossroad
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My old Kaiser user to do this when I had to go out in the company van instead of my air conditioned car. I found folding a piece of white paper in half and using it as a "phone hat" made quite a big difference.
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Or, if you're more into the leather look
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It's a good thing, if you charge a battery in a too hot environnement, you kill it.
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The device should stop loading, before its beeing killed. Have to take care of when its possible to load the device and when not is nothing, what I've red in any user-manual before.
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On a different note, has your Diamond received a soaking? It likes like the water-sensitive sticker (used by HTC to tell if it's suffered water damage) is red on yours which suggests it has...?
Mathew
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Hmm no. It hasn't recieved a soaking. The phone has always been dry inside my pocket . Are you sure the red "thing" indicates the phone has been suffering from water damage?
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Hmm no. It hasn't recieved a soaking. The phone has always been dry inside my pocket . Are you sure the red "thing" indicates the phone has been suffering from water damage?
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My sticker/laber is white of color, so it could be be it came in contact with a liquid.
I repair notebooks and similar sticker, labels & coatings are used that change color when the come in to contact with a liquid. I've also asked a college of mine who used to repair mobile phones and he also confirmed that the put in stickers or laber or special coatings that react to liquids so it easy for the engineer to see if the machine is valid for warranty or not.
But I can't say for sure that the sticker I see on my phone that is white (& your is red), is such a sticker that changes color wen it comes in contact with a liquid.
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I dont know if anyone else is experiencing this, but i have a att tilt with dutty's tilt rom and when i use the GPS and bluetooth, or just bluetooth or just GPS the device overheats to 105-115+ degrees. So when i am using bluetooth and or gps and its being charged the battery still runs out.
What should i do?
I noticed a similar overheating issue but the trigger for me is Live Messenger: when connected, the device gets hot very quickly and battery gets drained in a matter of hours.
My wife has an Elf, and can have Live Messenger connected for a full day, the device stays cold and battery is just fine...
yes this has happend to me with the tilt and 8525. I dont know whether this a defect or security measures from preventing the battery from overheating!
overheating---what i have seen
I just did a cross country trip with mine, here is what i saw. It didnt matter which program i used that needed gps, (co -pilot, or live search) as long as the gps was activated.
When the gps is active, the unit will start to heat up, when it reaches a certain point, it will stop charging. You can do a soft reset and the device will start charging for a bit more, but then stop charging (the charging light goes out)....
If you turn off the gps, it will continue to charge, even though it is still hot.
I put the unit in front of the air conditioned duct and after about 30 seconds, the charging light came back on and it resumed charging.
So it appears to be an intentional function that does not allow overheating of the batteries.....problem is what if you are out of juice and you need to go somewhere ?
i have a bt gps i could use instead, but it kinda defeats the purpose....
OK seems i am not alone on this,
here's my case, i mainly use my TYTN II as a modem to share internet through USB to the laptop, i notice, when i connect to 3G, it gets very hot and and the heat generated, prevented my TYTN II from recharging over the USB hence i am running a drained battery
secondly, i was using my GPS in my car. when the room temperature is low, it was ok, heat generated as normal (over heating) but recharging still going ok, but by the time i gets daylight, and the room temp in my car getting high, i notice that the heat generated by the TYTN II has once again prevented it from recharging, kind of safe mode?
Its seems like it is a security measure. I noticed, while driving on days when its very hot, i would turn on my air condition, and my 8525 would be placed in front of the air ducts. I would have my phone running slingmobile and charging for long periods of time while im jammed in afterwork traffic, and noticed that as long as the cool air was keeping the back of the phone cool, my phone would continously charge! Now when im at work and i would have my phone sitting up on my desk running slingmobile and charging, within an hour or less, the charge would stop and my light would start blinking. I touch the back of it, and guess what it blazing hot! Ive seen similar actions with my tilt as well!
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I don't think there is much to be done about this. Essentially there is lot of chips packed inside a very tiny device. There are no external vents (not possible or very practical with a phone as vents would weaken the case and allow dirt in), or fans for forced cooling.
Once you start something that means the device is on and working, heat builds up.
Most electronic components can go up to quite a high temperature (so hot you couldn't hold it type temperatures) and continue to work fine, however the battery is one thing that can't be used hot due to the chemistry involved, so the charging has to stop.
It's a built in flaw due to the complexity and small size, something that will affect all similar types of device.
Regards
Phil
I had the same problem beofore when using in my car when navigating with GPS
I found it was the screen beeing on.
In Garmin Mobile XT there is a function to turn down screen and open only when there are directions comming. This made my device be at normal temp again.
I think the screen just produces allot of heat. also the sceen uses alot of electric and that heats up battery and charging hardware also
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Its seems like it is a security measure. I noticed, while driving on days when its very hot, i would turn on my air condition, and my 8525 would be placed in front of the air ducts. I would have my phone running slingmobile and charging for long periods of time while im jammed in afterwork traffic, and noticed that as long as the cool air was keeping the back of the phone cool, my phone would continously charge! Now when im at work and i would have my phone sitting up on my desk running slingmobile and charging, within an hour or less, the charge would stop and my light would start blinking. I touch the back of it, and guess what it blazing hot! Ive seen similar actions with my tilt as well!
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hi princeasi,
apparently, this has always been the case with my previous PDA's. as far as i could remember, my hermes did the same thing. i remember when i tried to use it in my room, where air con is turned off. it didn't really need a very high room temperature, it would simply stop charging. and guess what, even my atom life was the same!
Something is fishy. I have 2 tilts (mine and my wife's) and every time we go for a ride on my new bike my little charge light comes on but with in minutes of riding the abmer charge light on the phone goes out. The light for the car charger is on and the light on the HTC adapter (audio/power splitter) is on, but the phone stops charging. Sometimes after maybe 10mins it will kick back over to charging but not for a long time and then it is a gamble if it will stay charging (normally not).
Trouble Shooting I have tried:
- Different adapters
- Different Car Chargers
- Different socket/outlet
- I even switched phones with my wife today after mine was almost dead after 1/2 day of riding. her phone ont the otherhand stayed charging just fine all day and had the nice pretty "fully charge green light". After switching, she was able to charge my almost dead phone on her bike and I was able to DRAIN hers on my bike :-(
The only constant I can find is my BIKE. ARGH!!!
Note that after taking the phone off my bike and bringing it in the house and pluging it is to the wall charger it still took a few minutes for the amber light to come on. It is almost like the bike does something to the phone that makes the phone quit trying to charge.
One last thing to note, the phone not charging is only the case if I am using the PDA for either Music or GPS or both. If the pda is in Standby mode or OFF it will keep charging just fine.
Both Phones are AT&T Tilt
ROM HD_III WWE
Radio 1.65.17.56
Running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Phone Plus
iGo 2006
Pocket Music
HTC Home disabled
SanDisk 8GB Micro SD card
We are about to head off on a 3,000mile road trip next month and I would really like this to not be an issue. If anyone has anything I can try please let me know.
Thanks
-D
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I was having the same problem and I found out it's due to heat, when the battery becomes hot, the phone stops charging to protect it. when you ride your bike let the wind cool down your phone and you will see it will start charging again.
Exact, sounds like a heat problem. Avoid putting your Tilt in sunlight or at a places where heat from the motor will flow on it.
Maybe try comparing how the locations your Tilts are installed on your bike and your wife's regarding heat and find a place on yours that is suitable.
The phone will stop charging when the battery reaches 40-50°C, which is easy to reach in minutes in sunlight, and helped by the heat the phone generates itself when GPS is on.
Nice point! I have not confirmed your theory yet, but, I have a windscreen and my wife does not. I will move my mount to outside the wind screen and see if that helps. I live in AZ so it is very hot this time of year!
Thanks
-D
i have doubts on the heat theory -- i was in a road trip last weekend (from Bahrain to Saudi) and i used my ppc to navigate - i assure u that outside temp. was 48°C (118°F) and my kaiser was under direct sunlight.. it was functioning -- so based on experience i will reject the theory
i dont want to sound smarty but why dont u carry spare charged battery
when u rest charge both - just a thought
CrozB said:
Nice point! I have not confirmed your theory yet, but, I have a windscreen and my wife does not. I will move my mount to outside the wind screen and see if that helps. I live in AZ so it is very hot this time of year!
Thanks
-D
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i have doubts on the heat theory -- i was in a road trip last weekend (from Bahrain to Saudi) and i used my ppc to navigate - i assure u that outside temp. was 48°C (118°F) and my kaiser was under direct sunlight.. it was functioning -- so based on experience i will reject the theory
i dont want to sound smarty but why dont u carry spare charged battery
when u rest charge both - just a thought
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That a legit question. The answer is, when running the GPS, Brightness at full, and all day road trips that take 8-12hrs I would need several batteries.
-D
maybe you should just get a Garmin-Motobike GPS instead
best wishes and have nice & safe trip
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That a legit question. The answer is, when running the GPS, Brightness at full, and all day road trips that take 8-12hrs I would need several batteries.
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maybe you should just get a Garmin-Motobike GPS instead
best wishes and have nice & safe trip
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+1
It's best to buy a cheap $100-$200 GPS then. Or buy lots of cheap batters from china. But you know the second solution won't work that well D:
To me it sounds more like your bike isn't putting enough juice out to charge the phone while the GPS and everything else is running. I'd check the output of her bike vs your bike.
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i have doubts on the heat theory -- i was in a road trip last weekend (from Bahrain to Saudi) and i used my ppc to navigate - i assure u that outside temp. was 48°C (118°F) and my kaiser was under direct sunlight.. it was functioning -- so based on experience i will reject the theory
i dont want to sound smarty but why dont u carry spare charged battery
when u rest charge both - just a thought
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I can certainly assure you that heat will prevent the kaiser from charging. There are times where i have to move my mount in front of the A/C just to cool the phone down so it will charge. I am not in a terribly hot climate and I also have 2 Tilts that will do the exact same thing. I would say that it gets to about 100F here without the A/C on here in maryland in the August month. Even inside if you were to run the GPS WIFI and tether to bluetooth..... I am SURE your phone will start getting warm after 20 minutes
Heat theory ended up being a bust. Quit charging after a few mins even in the open air. Rode to about 5 miles got gas (it started charging again while i was getting gas) started riding home and it stop by the time I had gotten back on the freeway.
But wait, GOOD NEWS!!!
I went back home and hooked up a new cord directly the positive and negative of the battery and sure enough it is working perfect. Guess that means I [email protected]#ked up the install of my outlets on the bike. I think it must be a bad ground because I ran the + directly to the battery.
Thanks for the help!
-D
While using my TP2 with Tomtom as a satnav a couple of days back, I noticed the indicator light started flashing orange / green. It was in a cradle attached to the windscreen of the car and hooked up to cigaretter-lighter power. I took it off the cradle and blasted it for a few minutes with the air-conditioning and it stopped flashing and was alright for another half-hour or so, but then the flashing started again. I noticed that while the phone was flashing, the battery wasn't charging, so there was a danger it would run out, which would of course mean no more satnav.
Has anyone else experienced this problem? The TD2 does get pretty hot while being used for satnav.
With summer on the way, I think this problem is only going to get worse. Being in the windscreen, the phone gets a fair bit of heat from the sun, but my old standalone Tomtom Go never had overheating issues.
Similar thing used to happen with my Diamond as it was in direct sunlight in the car most the day. It wouldn't start flashing or anything, it would just stop charging. So I got a swivelling windscreen mounted car holder and positioned it right in front of one of the air vents. This always did the trick, especially when the air conditioning was on. Also, positioning it away from the sun is no harm.
The interesting this is, this never used to be a problem with my old Touch Pro.
I've got exactly the same problem today with my TD2 and iGO8 navigation. After half an hour the battery was extremly hot. I'm not using original HTC car charger.
Do you think that this could be the problem? Or the problem is on TD2 side :-(?
My Diamond always gets hot when using Tomtom. So it least it's consistent with other HTC products. I've changed radios and roms but it never changed the temp. when using tomtom. Always hot for me.
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My Diamond always gets hot when using Tomtom. So it least it's consistent with other HTC products. I've changed radios and roms but it never changed the temp. when using tomtom. Always hot for me.
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Weird that, the Touch Pro never suffered that problem. It's incredibly annoying because Tomtom drains the battery very quickly, so not being able to keep it charged from the cigarette lighter means it's gonna conk out in short order - you've got to notice it's not charging and then pull over so you can take it out of the cradle and blast it with the aircon. Bit of a bummer for people without aircon as well....
I might add, its important that you have a suitable car holder for your device. I used an adjustable generic holder with the squishy pads at the side for my old Diamond, and the back of the Diamond would lie flush to the holder (ie no gap at the back) This caused it to get pretty hot. So I invested in holder specifically for the Diamond that had no cushions. Also, it didn't completely wrap around the Diamond, allowing a bit of air flow. See here. Much better temperatures as a result.
iGo8 in particular is CPU intensive, so that'll cause heat. TomTom is a little bit less CPU sensitive so temps may be lower. Also, battery life is less with iGo 8.
And of course make sure unnecessary features such as WiFi are turned off whilst in the car holder. WiFi being active used to generate buckets of heat on my Diamond.
I have ordered Brodit car holder for my TD2 - this one - and I will place it near aircon fan in my car. Hope this will help ...
My D2 always gets very hot while using it for navigation for a long time. It's only since yesterday that I have the brodit active holder. Until now it would always lie on the seat next to me. I hope the brodit will keep it cooler, as air can pass on all sides. However, the brodit also charges it, so I guess that will cause extra heat....
Same here with using iGo 8 as Nav-Soft!
Same here with TomTom.
I had the same problem on my TD1 and the Cruise I.
The problem is the tempeture? I only have the problem whem the phones are in de bag from my motorcycle. When I use the Brodit in my car I don't have any problem.
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I used sat nav at the weekend, it killed the battery (hooked it to the car charger) and it got REALLy hot.
Saying that, even keeping it in my pocket, it gets quite hot.
I've got a vent mounting bracket, will try using that to keep the phone out of the sun and in the flow of air from the aircon. Might help. Never had this problem with my TP. I miss my TP.
I think it's my fault because I used my kaiser in moist enviroment. (little rain) Afterwards after sliding I would hear sliding sound few times as if I would quickly slide in/slide out and my keyboard was quickly blinking.
I turned the phone off and let it dry. This fixed the blinking.
But first it went during use from 9x% to 2x% in few seconds, then last 20% drained pretty quickly too. I charged it and it went to 100% then did the quick drop again. I decided I would let it drain completely and then try charging it. Now it charges only until 37%. The charging icon is there in my WinMo, so USB probably works well.
Other than that sliding the phone in or out doesn't register at all in WinMo. I can live with that because I always set winmo to use only landscape orientation anyway. Too bad I don't have autounlock/screen on when sliding out anymore.
So, anyone has an idea how to make the phone behave as it should? I have screwdriver that I used with SPV C600 long time ago and I think it used the same screws, so I can get into my phone if neccessary and if fix is simple enough.
At least try a new battery if you can and see if that corrects the problem. Ironically, though, after one of my HTC's got submerged in water, the battery was the ONLY thing that worked everything else was shot.
Well, my friend has Kaiser as well and I was playing to test out each others battery, but I won't see him until Wednesday or so. Anyway, now it's stuck at 25% max, when it was 37% it lasted for about 2 hours. Even though I was reading e-book and listening to music, writing SMSes and it was on train so it probably often changed the towers. When I could charge it to max it obviously worked a lot longer. I usually charged it once every 2 days.
And I didn't think it was that bad weather. It was just mizzle, if dictionary tells me right, so only keyboard got wet afterwards. I didn't think it would affect insides. Anyway, I'll keep you informed on the experiments after Wednesday. If other battery will work without problem I'll just buy new one.
You are right, It happened to me with my first kaiser. I spilled milk on it and the only thing that worked after was the battery
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At least try a new battery if you can and see if that corrects the problem. Ironically, though, after one of my HTC's got submerged in water, the battery was the ONLY thing that worked everything else was shot.
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Kaiser dying very slowly
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Well, my friend has Kaiser as well and I was playing to test out each others battery, but I won't see him until Wednesday or so. Anyway, now it's stuck at 25% max, when it was 37% it lasted for about 2 hours. Even though I was reading e-book and listening to music, writing SMSes and it was on train so it probably often changed the towers. When I could charge it to max it obviously worked a lot longer. I usually charged it once every 2 days.
And I didn't think it was that bad weather. It was just mizzle, if dictionary tells me right, so only keyboard got wet afterwards. I didn't think it would affect insides. Anyway, I'll keep you informed on the experiments after Wednesday. If other battery will work without problem I'll just buy new one.
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Ok, I tested it just now.
I charged my phone overnight. It was 25% when I woke, 8% when I got to my friend. I put my battery into his phone. It showed 90%.
My friend's battery was at 80%. Put into mine it showed 1%.
So it seems my phone can now see only last 20% or so of the battery. It's... not good. It means I have to fix the phone somehow. Now any ideas how? Later today I'll open it and try to find things out of ordinary and I'll make photos of them if I won't know what to do.
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Ok, I tested it just now.
I charged my phone overnight. It was 25% when I woke, 8% when I got to my friend. I put my battery into his phone. It showed 90%.
My friend's battery was at 80%. Put into mine it showed 1%.
So it seems my phone can now see only last 20% or so of the battery. It's... not good. It means I have to fix the phone somehow. Now any ideas how? Later today I'll open it and try to find things out of ordinary and I'll make photos of them if I won't know what to do.
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Try to clean your battery terminals and see if that can help... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=358136
I tried cleaning terminals before, didn't help. But I did thing described in 1st post of that thread. Today my battery maxed out at 12% no matter how long I would charge. The thing at first post made 45% detectable, which... is at least much better than 12%. Or 25%. Or 37%.
I've tried getting into the Kaiser yesterday but the screw under the speaker is stuck and halfway stripped and I had no luck trying to unscrew it. But it might not be necessary after all, if the method from that post helped in getting to 45% then maybe playing with the battery more will help. There's more methods in that thread, I'll try them out later.
Well, thanks a lot for the link. Now I'm getting hope back
Ok, here's the update.
Now the phone is running at about 32% juice max and no matter how I play with the battery it won't go above 32%.
When it's on 1% it lasts on it for quite a long time. Like 20-30 minutes. Then the phone turns off.
When I try to turn on the phone then it goes trough the screen with radio etc. then htc logo and turns off when windows would have started. No matter how many times I try to turn it on then it will do it like that. So, my theory is windows has some kind of energy saving feature that makes it turn off when it detects it's like 0.5%. I wonder if there was a way to make windows not turn off no matter what and if then maybe I could use 100% of the battery even if 68% of it would be on 1%. Of course it's just my idea and might not work. I don't know how kaiser checks the amount of power left and if my kaiser can get power from the whole battery even if it can't measure it well.
I wonder if android might work well?
I'm thinking about software solution because I can't go trough the broken screw below the speaker. I went to a shop to see if brand new screwdriver would manage to unscrew it, but even it slipped out(new screwdrivers are usually not curved at the edges so sometimes they work). I have no idea how to remove the screw.
Ah, when it turned off and it was turning off at windows I played with the battery and managed to turn it on with 3%. Well, even with additional 3% it was only like 3.5 hours of use at most from 32% I had at the begining.
So to sum it up:
do you think a software solution is possible?
do you have any ideas how to get rid of that screw without damaging the phone?
Areinu said:
do you think a software solution is possible?
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Not if it's a hardware problem causing all the symptoms. Besides, you wouldn't be able to flash with less than 50% battery charge registered (don't know if microSD card flashing has this requirement as well but I wouldn't do that anyway).
do you have any ideas how to get rid of that screw without damaging the phone?
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Your comment earlier about screwdriver edges being rounded off makes me wonder if you're using the right screwdriver to begin with. You do realise they're torx screws which are meant to be removed with special Torx screwdrivers don't you? If you have failed using the correct tool for the job then you could either try glueing the driver into the screw head and letting it set for a couple of days (being very careful not to get any gue anywhere else other than inside the screw head cavity). There are also devices called screw extractors or easy outs which require the head of the screw to be drilled down the middle first. I've used this technique with success in the past on a much bigger scale but I don't know if they go down small enough in size to suit these phone screws - you might want to talk with a jeweler to see what your options are. You'd also need to tape a plastic bag all around the screw to protect the rest of the phone from swarf if this method is possible/necessary. I think the phone is going to need opening up to get to the bottom of the problem as my first thought of cleaning the battery terminals has already been tried (assuming you did it thoroughly with some contact cleaner on the end of a cotton bud).
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Your comment earlier about screwdriver edges being rounded off makes me wonder if you're using the right screwdriver to begin with. You do realise they're torx screws which are meant to be removed with special Torx screwdrivers don't you? If you have failed using the correct tool for the job then you could either try glueing the driver into the screw head and letting it set for a couple of days (being very careful not to get any gue anywhere else other than inside the screw head cavity). There are also devices called screw extractors or easy outs which require the head of the screw to be drilled down the middle first. I've used this technique with success in the past on a much bigger scale but I don't know if they go down small enough in size to suit these phone screws - you might want to talk with a jeweler to see what your options are. You'd also need to tape a plastic bag all around the screw to protect the rest of the phone from swarf if this method is possible/necessary. I think the phone is going to need opening up to get to the bottom of the problem as my first thought of cleaning the battery terminals has already been tried (assuming you did it thoroughly with some contact cleaner on the end of a cotton bud).
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I know about torx screwdrivers and I removed all Torx screws I had to go with, but under the speaker is single cross screw meant to be removed with Thompson screwdriver. If you look into confidential service manual(this forum links in few places to it ) it tells you you need few screwdrivers for the job. Well, I assumed those extractors that require drilling the screw are mostly for bigger ones, like in cars etc. This one is pretty small. But I'll try with the glue, it's probably big enough for glue to catch on without me gluing the screw to the phone which would be a disaster.
Flying Kiwi said:
Not if it's a hardware problem causing all the symptoms. Besides, you wouldn't be able to flash with less than 50% battery charge registered (don't know if microSD card flashing has this requirement as well but I wouldn't do that anyway).
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It's why I suggested Android. With haret you don't have to flash to boot it. And I actually did it and am trying to run out of the juice since yesterday(Wifi always on etc). While WinMO says it's 3% android says it's 30%, and it goes down slowly like hell. But it's for sure hardware problem so I can't see why android would be able to use whole battery -.-; I am trying to get phone to lose all energy, then I'll see how high it will charge on android(for now it didn't charge past about 50% but as I said it goes down very slowly).
As for flashing, it usually doesn't take that long at 50% figure is just for safety. But before attempting to flash I would start with hard reset, probably would fix most of things flashing would.
Anyway, as for the screw, it's easter and I'm at family house, I didn't take my tools or anything so it will have wait till I'm back.
Areinu said:
I know about torx screwdrivers and I removed all Torx screws I had to go with, but under the speaker is single cross screw meant to be removed with Thompson screwdriver.
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Sorry, mine has the Void sticker over it and I just assumed it was Torx like the rest.
It's why I suggested Android. With haret you don't have to flash to boot it.
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You'd still need a reliable boot loader to load anything though and from the sounds of it, you don't have that.
But it's for sure hardware problem so I can't see why android would be able to use whole battery -.-;
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I can't see why Android would offer a 'solution' given it's a hardware problem which presented itself after your phone was rained on.
As for flashing, it usually doesn't take that long at 50% figure is just for safety.
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The flashing program wouldn't let me progress when I tried it once before and although the flashing process is much shorter than it would normally take to use 50% of your batteries power, the current consumed during the process is higher than during normal operation and it's important that the voltages don't dip below acceptable values when writing to the EEPROM/Flash Memory. Much better to start by fixing the hardware issue and then sorting out any possible corruption in the EEPROM afterwards once the battery is fully charged.
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Sorry, mine has the Void sticker over it and I just assumed it was Torx like the rest.
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Oh, I had Void sticker there too. It's Torx as well. Once you remove big piece of plastic under that(to that piece is attached the speaker) you have access to new screw and it's not Torx anymore.
Flying Kiwi said:
You'd still need a reliable boot loader to load anything though and from the sounds of it, you don't have that.
I can't see why Android would offer a 'solution' given it's a hardware problem which presented itself after your phone was rained on.
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Well, I don't really know how the Kaiser works but my theory is the method it determines how much energy is left differs a bit from how it drains energy. Desktop Windows on laptops have a feature when on ~3% energy left they hibernate "to prevent possible loss of data". When on Kaiser Windows ran out of juice I could turn the phone as many times as I wanted and it would turn once on windows, so I made a hipothesis that Kaiser CAN use rest of the battery but it just can't measure how much is left. Well, it's from all the tests I made as well.
Somewhere under keyboard the rain must have gotten on onto something that measures energy and shortcuted it, or I don't know, made electrons jump between 2 things that it shouldn't, that are used to measure power left? It's more of intuition than real reasoning, I know.
Anyway I let android run out of energy and once it got to 1% and showed "no battery" icon it ran for 6 hours more on WiFi, GPS and 3G turned on(I don't know if GPS worked, I was inside whole time). Windows mobile even without WiFi, GPS and 3G never even lasted 6h since the rain broke kaiser. Futhermore I had screen turned on most of the time(I wanted to get power down quickly, plus I wanted to see what's new on the android). The phone got hot from WiFi usage, so I guess it was draining some energy at least to make heat
Finally the phone turned off(android showed me turning off animation so it somehow predicted it's the end of the line). When trying to turn off kaiser afterwards it wouldn't budge so I think I really made it go out of the energy.
When I was interested in android when first version emerged I recall reading that android can show energy wrong and to fix it one was supposed to use up all energy, then to charge it to max. Well, as I managed to drain my battery fully I charged android and now it maxed out at 76%.
One more thing about android trough haret - you boot into Windows mobile that you have, then from microSD you run haret.exe that turns off winmo and boots linux. It mounts all files needed on microSD so there's no permanent changes, and no need to do anything to bootloader. I booted into Windows mobile to check percentage there and it sees 63%. Android still has 76%.
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The flashing program wouldn't let me progress when I tried it once before and although the flashing process is much shorter than it would normally take to use 50% of your batteries power, the current consumed during the process is higher than during normal operation and it's important that the voltages don't dip below acceptable values when writing to the EEPROM/Flash Memory. Much better to start by fixing the hardware issue and then sorting out any possible corruption in the EEPROM afterwards once the battery is fully charged.
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Well, good thing is I don't have to flash the mobile to run android then. I didn't know about the currents but it makes a lot of sense when one thinks about it. I never had below 70% when changing roms just in case.
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Much better to start by fixing the hardware issue and then sorting out any possible corruption in the EEPROM afterwards once the battery is fully charged.
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Yup, but I'm trying to make energy level at least acceptable while my actions shouldn't break anything. After all I'm not making any permanent changes on the Kaiser, just changing files on the microSD. I can't do anything to the hardware at least till Wednesday anyway.
Update: Ok, today I let it go out of all power again and afterwards the phone wouldn't charge no matter what. I know that sometimes one has to charge about 30 minutes before anything happens, but I kept it 2 hours, tried charger, then USB and even orange diode wouldn't light up. I thought that maybe battery broke.
I tried cleaning up connectors of the battery and graysh-silverish something appeared on them. Cleaning it up didn't help at all. I looked at USB port in my Kaiser under flashlight and from what I could see connectors weren't bent or anything. I tried (without using force) to push usb in to the limit. Didn't help.
Well, I wanted to check if maybe battery was at fault. I took out the battery and then put usb in, then tried pressing power and green diode lighted up. When afterward I put the battery in the orange diode normally lighted up and the battery charged, the windows mobile turned on and it showed about 1%.
Well, I guess using Kaiser at all might be a little dangerous for it untill insides are fixed, so I'll wait until I can unscrew that screw with glue. Anyway, this information might help someone understand what's happening, it's just simply bizzare for me.
Wednesday. I tried getting rid of the screw again. Failed. But I got inside. I realized(and called myself an idiot over and over again) that the screw only held that small board next to sound controller connected to phone, but I could still proceed to open it. Anyway, I got inside.
I looked around for things out of ordinary. There was some dust here and there, but nothing serious. Except for this:
What, wait, isn't that mold? It seems like it is... Well, I cleaned it all off. Furthermore I got rid of most of the dust, as I was inside already, checked connections here and there. General maintenance.
After turning on the phone:
- Slide in/Slide off works
- WinMo showed 77% and it's probably right. I charged it fully on android then used for enough time to get ~25% down.
After using it for a bit the phone froze. I restarted it and WinMo was showing 3%. I realized I didn't press the casing to the keyboard hard enough so there might have been some elements loose. Another restart and it shows 76% again. Well, let's see how far it will charge.
Update: It charged with normal speed to 100%, and both WinMo and android agreed on it. Case solved, I guess.
Hello,
I have bought this Battery for my HD2. If i charge my hd2 with it when windows mobile is running the charging light flashes between green and red and the Battery status goes from 55% on 100%. but if i shutdown the phone and charge it, it is normal. have anybody got an idea why this happens and how to fix it?
Thanks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=650507
I have the same problem with a china battery and waiting for a replacement. My other hd2 with the htc battery works fine.
my stock battery done that at the weekend when i was charging it from the car, whilst runnin tomtom.
my guess is its a warning its pumping out more juice than its recieveing! like when you charge it from your cmputer.... it takes longer.
nothing to worry about id say
No!!! Thats a whole nother issue. Your car charger is crap, just like mine was before i got a rocketfish charger. I had the SAME issue with my tilt2 while running the sense music player while using my old crap car charger. The charger later died and have not had the problem since getting the new rocketfish charger and i used the tilt2 in the car the same way MANY times after that
mine was doing the same when was using more power than pumping ftom the wall charger. phone was very hot at this time
I found a solution - That Happens to me only on hot sunny summer days.....
jemand95 said:
Hello,
I have bought this Battery for my HD2. If i charge my hd2 with it when windows mobile is running the charging light flashes between green and red and the Battery status goes from 55% on 100%. but if i shutdown the phone and charge it, it is normal. have anybody got an idea why this happens and how to fix it?
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That Happens to me only on hot sunny summer days... when my HD2 is mounted on my car dash board and becomes hot due to the sun.
I learnd from the local HTC distributer that "flashing green/red" means that: The HD became hot, due to the hot environment / sun, and therefore activated its internal protection and disconected the charging facility in order to defend the battery.
After cooling the HD2 that phenomenon stops and charging is as usual.
My solution is:
In order to cool the HD2 while driving and avoid that problem, I operate my car air condition unit and direct its cool air flow only to the front glass. Not to the passengers as usual. That is in the same way you direct the air flow in order remove steam from the front car glass during winter days.
The cool air from the air condition, heats the glass and goes back towards the passengers. On its way it cools the black HD2 which stands in the sun on my dash board.
I know it is not the best solution but its the cheapest working one.
I wish u all good luck
Check the middle battery connector prong in the phone hasnt bent in such away it isnt actually making contact with the terminal on the battery as this is exactly what happened to me and gave the same symptoms.
A little corrective adjustment with a pair of tweezers and problem solved.
It seems to be OK
crash_194 said:
Check the middle battery connector prong in the phone hasnt bent in such away it isnt actually making contact with the terminal on the battery as this is exactly what happened to me and gave the same symptoms.
A little corrective adjustment with a pair of tweezers and problem solved.
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Thanks for the advise.
However it seems to be ok and with no deviation.
correct power input
it flashes if u get the wrong input with car chargers.it happened to me plus it dosent charge even after charging with phpne off.so i bought the correct power input charger.problem solved.
I sometimes get this also while using TomTom in the car on a hot day.
I repositioned the holder in front of the centre air vent, and let fresh air flow over the device.
Hasn't happened since.
It basically means "I'm not charging because there's a problem" either because the phone is too hot, or because there's a problem with the battery.
Last week I bought the extra large battery with kickstand for use while on holiday next week, same problem with charging from the 1A wall charger (original HTC battery charges fine) straight away so the flashing doesn't just mean "overheat"
Sent the battery back and should get a replacement in the next few days.
I use a 650mA charger in the car (I have a 1A charger but the contact needs resoldering) and while using movie player, tomtom and browsing, it popped up with a message that the device drain was greater than the charger could provide so it disabled charing, amber light went out rather than flashing green/amber.
ok, in total i have 4 normal batteries and 2x mugen 2600. (i have 2x HD2)
yes there are batteries that flash red/green.
from what i observed. with screen on, 0%-95% the batttery usually accepts around +700mah to +850mah.
once 96% it trickles down to less than +500mah
for those flashing, the battery still charges. it's just that the curcuitry is warning that the battery doesnt want to accept the normal charging amp.
so when it flashes it's doing around 300-500 when it's below 96%.
i have 2 batteries that shows the same problem on both HD2. but they still charge, it just takes longer to hit 100% charge that's all.
if it's flashing red/green, the battery is not capable of high charge, only normal charge of around 100-3xx mah.
feel free to correct me.
oh, the circuit allows max of 950mah input, i know cuz i have a 4Ah USB charger.
crash_194 said:
Check the middle battery connector prong in the phone hasnt bent in such away it isnt actually making contact with the terminal on the battery as this is exactly what happened to me and gave the same symptoms.
A little corrective adjustment with a pair of tweezers and problem solved.
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This solved it for me.
Thanks!