I've just had a touch on contract upgrade and I'm not that happy with it, don't get me wrong, the idea behind the phone is great, it has a lot of potential. Just you gotta tweak it loads before you even use it and even then it seems a little slow as the day goes on and also battery life is awful if you are actually using the phone. Other than the obvious keyboard and bigger battery size, what improvements are there with the pro? is it smoother running with less problems? Anyone got any experiance of using the two?
depends what you want - my diamond on latest stock rom is problemn free - pro would be too thick
thickness doesn't really bother me taht much I guess. My othe rphone is a nokia n95 8gb so the pro is actually still a bit thinner. I just want fast smooth and decent battery life when being used but I need windows os for some business software I run from time to time. Just seems that everything on the diamond munches battery power, I can get my dimaond to last more than a day now which is better, but if you start using features othe rthan just phone is seems to eat the battery very very quickly, the nokia 95 is bad but nowhere near as bad as teh Diamond. Just wondered if they had tweaked the os a bit to make it more efficient
the answer is YES!
Pro is much better!
What I've seen of the Pro for now has impressed me, but I was honestly put of by its size. The Diamond is an extremely slick gadget, but for business use: of course the Pro would be better. The Diamond is geared towards the commercial market, while the Pro is geared towards the business market.
There's the thrid option now - HTC S740 http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=57634
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There's the thrid option now - HTC S740 http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=57634
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Ooooh.....now taht seems more apealing, a standard keypad !!! The touch screen thing is all well and good but basic txt messages were a nightmare. Any ideas if thats available in teh uk on contract ? Although battery life looks similar to the diamond .....
But thats 'only' a smartphone
Can't believe it has a (just) bigger battery than the Diamond though!
I find texting on the Diamond to be dead easy - which is why I am convinced I wouldn't need the keyboard on the Touch Pro (used to have a Tytn II and barely used the keyboard on that!).
you say it's "only a smart phone" other than touch screen, what would I loose out on then?
Other than the obvious keyboard and bigger battery size, what improvements are there with the pro? is it smoother running with less problems?
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No there is no difference. Same cpu and screen resolution.
TDO
The Pro has a flash
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There's the thrid option now - HTC S740 http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=57634
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It has a QVGA screen euk!
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The Pro has a flash
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Funny enough I only realised last night that the diamond didn't have one!
Does anyone know if Diamond Pro suffers from the same GPS navigation lag as Diamond?...
HastaSSSS
funny that people say that, all I've done to mine is updat eteh radio rom to teh recommended one and nothing else. I installed tom tom on it and ran it along side my nokia n95 with built in receiver (also running tomtom) and my tomtom 500 and in all fairness all three of them were withing a split second of each other on directions.....looks liek I don't get the lag issue.
Battery on Diamond CDMA Version
I have a Touch Diamond and have had for 7 days.
The battery sucks!!!
I cannot get 8 hours connected to EVDO network.
According to carrier, every application open sucks the battery juice.
On the Touch, the battery was decent, the stock battery you could get 6/7 hours with data on, Touch Diamond maybe 3 hours.
With quality aftermarket battery, I can get 8 hours with charge to spare, why?
What is the size of battery on Touch Diamond Pro?
Dave
1000 mAh
100 mAh more
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1000 mAh
100 mAh more
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which device are u referring to? the smart phone s740?
the touch pro is using a 1350 mah battery...
Pro also got bigger RAM and dbl the ROM... Not sure how much does that affect the performance but I'm sure it would in a degree...
pro
200% of RAM and ROM of diamond
Better battery
flash light
microSD
only bad thing is thicker and heavier.
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Dear all
I had an i-mate JasJam and sold it, then baught myself a HTC Touch but not happy with the performance.
I am thinking of buying a HTC TyTn II.
Reading all the reviews over the web is not good enough to make a good decission.
The best thing is to hear from the actual users.
Please Advice.
Best Regards
This phone is the best there is.
The only problem (What kan be a big problem) is that the screen is very thin.
So watch out while pressing or having it in your pocket.
I have used the I-mate Jasjam and Triniy, and I can tell you one thing Tytn II is better than both of them, only thing that is bugging me is the battery life time.
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This phone is the best there is.
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"Best" can be so subjective to the user’s needs. I will just say, it's the best I've had so far. The ONLY issue I have right now is battery life sux. I have yet to isolate the problem with it. Some report no problems, while MANY others do. The best improvement IMHO so far over the other HTC phones I've had, is the increase in on board memory. The only apps I load to the SD card now are games.
The Kaiser is very good, and you will find 128 Mb ram a godsend after both the Touch and the JasJam.
Re battery life, mine improved immeasurably when I make bluetooth non-discoverable. Of course one should also make sure no GPS software is running in the background.
Surur
TYTN II/Kaiser is a solid in feel and performer. Wen holding the TYTN I and II, I feels very hollow/light and II ha substances, solid. plus the screen tilts so one can read/watch while leaving it on the desk.
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The Kaiser is very good, and you will find 128 Mb ram a godsend after both the Touch and the JasJam.
Re battery life, mine improved immeasurably when I make bluetooth non-discoverable. Of course one should also make sure no GPS software is running in the background.
Surur
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I got a replacement for mine when I called support over the battery issue. Before I sent the first one back, I hard reset it, installed nothing, and didn't even put a sim card in it. No wifi or BT on, I put it in hibernation and let it sit overnight. It used 12% of the battery over a 6 hour period (in hibernation). The 8525/TyTn wouldn't even use 1% doing this same thing. So, I believe there is something in the hardware of this phone is a battery hog.
I've got a Tilt and an 8525. Although the Tilt looks the same size, it feels much smaller and more comfortable in the hand. Lighter too. It makes a surprising difference. I like the non-collapsing stylus. The speaker seems tinnier to me, but if using headset, there is a sort of basic equalizer applet (though I haven't used it yet).
It has fewer buttons than the 8525. It doesn't have the two on the top for messages or IE and it doesn't have the button on the for Comm Manager, which I miss quite a lot. I also find the On/off button on the same side to be more recessed and harder to press. This is an annoyance for me because I like to keep the unit off to conserve battery but let it wake for calls, reminders etc.
I won't talk about the joy of the extra storage. The camera's nicer too, not just extra pixels but ease of use and settings. I do very much like the built in GPS. Using it with Google maps or Live Search, you can find a wide variety of local businesses including addresses, map views and directions and add them to contacts. With existing contacts for which you have an address listed, you can also get directions. I find this useful when having to pick up my kids at their school mates homes when I've never been there.
I've only had the Tilt for a couple of days and am still in the process of learning all the additional benefits
After my smartphones, i got some pdaphones : wizard, then trinity, hermes, artemis, and now THE Kaiser.
By order : Kaiser-Artemis-Trinity-Wizard-Hermes.
The Kaiser is the best phone I ever tried, and I'm not sure I'll change for Polaris.
Keyboard is cool, TouchFlo works as well, and Agps rocks. And memory and rom owns !
Kaiser rulezzzz
Battery life is better than the Hermes IMO (compared against 8525 & TyTN). The only thing that's missing is support for Qualcom's hardware video acceleration. Hopefully itnf we'll have that too....
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Battery life is better than the Hermes IMO (compared against 8525 & TyTN). The only thing that's missing is support for Qualcom's hardware video acceleration. Hopefully itnf we'll have that too....
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I'm not sure that battery life is better. Better than my Artemis, sure, but my Hermes, I don't think so.
I too had the Jasjam and the Touch and now the Kaiser (TyTn II).
By far the best specially the ample amount of RAM and ROM is probably the best part for me.
My only complaint is that while using the EDGE network the data speed I get is only half of what I get with the Touch. I have tried this repeatedly by swaping my SIM between the Touch and TyTn II and each time the same result about 100 kbs for the TyTn II versus 200 for the Touch
Kaiser:
1. is a bit heavy
2. does not have vga screen
I think Touch and Kaiser are meant for different purposes. You may want to look into Touch II if performance is your only concern. If you are really into PDA's then Kaiser is the answer.
24hrs with the phone and i love it.. yeah its got a few flaws.. i like my 8525 keyboard more.. these buttons dont seem to pop like the 85s did so it takes some time getting used to.. the phone feels soo much thinner and feels like it weights less when holding up to ur ear. its extremely faster then the treo 750v when using a custom rom (im using duttys 3). the camera is AMAZING for a phone..from what ive seen but then again ive only delt w/ windows phones since my very first phone so.. yeah
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I'm not sure that battery life is better. Better than my Artemis, sure, but my Hermes, I don't think so.
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I agree with Sleuth255 the battery life in my att tilt BLOWS away the battery life I got with the 8525. and yes, we got it, you dont think so.
camera sucks
I think the camera sucks compared to the 8525. I was able to take some good pics with the 8525, where on the tilt, they are always jaggy, i have to ask someone to sit still for 5 seconds. just my opinion.
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I think the camera sucks compared to the 8525. I was able to take some good pics with the 8525, where on the tilt, they are always jaggy, i have to ask someone to sit still for 5 seconds. just my opinion.
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are u running a 8925 or a 8125 because the camera is purely just shy of amazing for a camera phone.. it has auto focus so u might have a bad phone
One more tool to increase battery life.
I just ran across a nifty little tool that lets you use just about any Pop email provider and yet get Push email from it WITHOUT using your email client to keep checking if you have mail which saves your battery.
It uses mail forwarding from your provider and sms/text messages to trigger your PPC to go get mail. As a result the battery seems to last a lot longer and you get your mail within seconds of it arriving in your POP email providers servers.
Give this thing a look. It's working just great with GMAIL. And once Google fixes their IMAP problems for PPC this will work even better. Here's the site.
http://www.qorefunctions.com/
Dear All
I would like to thank you to all of you who contributed in this thread, I very much appreciate your personal openions.
Now I have a better and clear view of the Kaiser.
Again thank you very much
Best Regards
Please i need you advice
I'm standard Pocket PC user... I need to decide whether to buy Dimond or Cruise
I've read a lot of review and comparisons but i need user opinion
Thank you for your time
The diamond tops the cruise in everyway apart from maybe battery life
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The diamond tops the cruise in everyway apart from maybe battery life
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i propose this!
yep..i also propose for Diamond...far better quality than cruise....the tweaks help a lot...three cheers to XDA...
the biggest problem of Diamond is weak accu. If you make a lot of calls, or want to hear music for a whole day, it will be a problem.
In all other positions Diamond wins
P.S.
Advanced accu are planned, but not available for the moment
diamond ... zats it
(expt the battery thing)
Thank you all for the feedback, what about tghe hardware keys, camera quality
I've TyTN II and I'm going to sell it because of it's size
I've switched from the Cruise to the Diamond. The only reason I'd like my Cruise better then my Diamond is the FlowCube... Diamond battery life is not really different from the Cruise, just the Manila app takes lot's of memory and battery life.. I just switched it off and I can use my Diamond for 3 straight days now, same with my Cruise..
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I've switched from the Cruise to the Diamond. The only reason I'd like my Cruise better then my Diamond is the FlowCube... Diamond battery life is not really different from the Cruise, just the Manila app takes lot's of memory and battery life.. I just switched it off and I can use my Diamond for 3 straight days now, same with my Cruise..
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Very impressive
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Very impressive
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i still have my tytn2 but diamond is way cooler
I had the Cruise and I have changeed by the Diamond.
I prefer the Diamond due to of this size and the Diamond is very more beautiful.
Morevover, he tdiamond is more powerful than the diamond. The only problem, it is the 4GO, the Diamond hasn't got any memory slot.
Hi,
comparing the Diamond to the Eten X800, what should I expect in terms of performance?
Apart from a slightly slower processor (does the Samsung/Qualcomm fact make a difference?) and only a third of the Diamond's RAM, the two phones are quite similar. So would particularly about the processor, but also generally, would you say the performance of the Diamond would be rather equal, or higher or maybe even less?
Thanks.
Nobody ?
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would you say the performance of the Diamond would be rather equal, or higher or maybe even less?
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What application you comparing?
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What application you comparing?
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No application in particular, just the overall system performance.
all "modern" mobiles with WM are really sluggish... & there is no cure right now, the only cure I know is to get out WM world but today we have still no choice (yep I know there is Adnroid but it isn't working yet)
for what I saw with my eyes the only WM mobile that runs smoother is the "ugly" new Asus P serie
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all "modern" mobiles with WM are really sluggish... & there is no cure right now, the only cure I know is to get out WM world but today we have still no choice (yep I know there is Adnroid but it isn't working yet)
for what I saw with my eyes the only WM mobile that runs smoother is the "ugly" new Asus P serie
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totally agree....
On the compare screen only really points that I can see (from a person who's never used a WM phone before however) the Eten x800 has a higher capacity battery which although is a Li-Ion type when the Diamond contains a superior Li-Poly type battery although the capacity is much lower. Also the Eten has a better GPS chip (SiRF Star III) which has better energy efficiency and better fix apparently.
The Eten x800 does have a 2.0MP camera that will produce smaller photos , a lot less RAM and a 24 Mhz slower processor (which I don't think matters that much?)
Oh yeah and the Eten just looks plain ugly in my opinion
EDIT: and of course it is slightly larger and heavier than the Diamond
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Apart from a slightly slower processor (does the Samsung/Qualcomm fact make a difference?) and only a third of the Diamond's RAM,
Thanks.
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Not a third, but a half. Diamond has 106MB of real usable memory. 64mb of 192MB are hidden, used by the video system or some kind of bios, it has never been clear.
12mb are used by page pool. Some rom made it smaller, but then performance suffer a lot.
I think all vga devices are under powered today, there is no exception (who said p565?). So all in all, the diamond is a real good phone. Small and not that slow. Battery is that bad, whoever. Don't unplug your usb cable for too long, and keep a car adapter + usb cable with you all time :°)
Been offered a diamond ( which I have updated to latest rom and works pretty fast) or a touch 3g 2 weeks old. Can you advise the pros and cons of each and what would be the best buy?
Cheers
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Been offered a diamond ( which I have updated to latest rom and works pretty fast) or a touch 3g 2 weeks old. Can you advise the pros and cons of each and what would be the best buy?
Cheers
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I guess this all depends on where you live if you want 3G or not. Example: 3G is on the Touch 3G is only available in Europe and not North America. Thus no 3G if that matters to you. On the Diamond, 3G is pretty much world wide.
It's best to get more detail....here
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Been offered a diamond ( which I have updated to latest rom and works pretty fast) or a touch 3g 2 weeks old. Can you advise the pros and cons of each and what would be the best buy?
Cheers
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Diamond all the way. The specs and usability are twice as good as a Touch3G. The only advantage of the Touch3G would be Footprints (yup the VGA version of Footprints is bug central ).
Can you explian what footprints are? Excuse my ignorance. Also will use the phone in UK. Just that the Touch 3g seems marginarly faster when using the touchflow interface. But the screen on the diamond is nice. R
footprints i think is just an extra tab on touchflo, where you can take snaps, add texts and upload them somwhere to the world wide web.
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footprints i think is just an extra tab on touchflo, where you can take snaps, add texts and upload them somwhere to the world wide web.
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It adds GPS-data to your photos so you and others can see where in the world the photo was snapped.
Pros Touch3G = better processor
Pros Diamond = TFT3D, VGA
about model, color etc, depends on you
This was the same confusion when i wa about to buy diamond. Now post buying diamond...its Diamond anytime anywhere in the world
I vote for diamond beside the design very elegant you also will get that you want on that phone
I have tried both Diamond and Touch 3g over the last few days and the diamond is much nicer with more features, however the battery life is terrible. I tried to show someone the features of it and within minutes I could see the battery life fading away. The touch 3g on the other hand (although fewer features) seems a little faster and to be honest, unless you use camera or GPS regularly, I can probably get by with less features. FM radio for instance. I cant remember when I used the headset on my last phone, finding it an optional extra that's not needed.
I must admit, I have difficulty resisting all the latest bangs and whistles gadjets but secuming to the high price tags and poor battery life etc when in reality I hardly use all of the features advertised.
R
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I have tried both Diamond and Touch 3g over the last few days and the diamond is much nicer with more features, however the battery life is terrible. I tried to show someone the features of it and within minutes I could see the battery life fading away. The touch 3g on the other hand (although fewer features) seems a little faster and to be honest, unless you use camera or GPS regularly, I can probably get by with less features. FM radio for instance. I cant remember when I used the headset on my last phone, finding it an optional extra that's not needed.
I must admit, I have difficulty resisting all the latest bangs and whistles gadjets but secuming to the high price tags and poor battery life etc when in reality I hardly use all of the features advertised.
R
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Actually a Diamond will get insane battery life. It just depends on the ROM being used. In about 6 hours of moderate use, I have 82% of my battery left from a full charge. Just throwing that out there.
What ROM is that? I have updated to the latest from HTC namaely 2.03.405.3 WWE . It does run faster but I had to charge it twice at work today after showing someone google maps on HSDPA . I think it looks great but £G seems faster and more reliable. Thanks Ryan
Hey all.
Today, you would be a diamond 1 or HD/Diamond 2 ?
Iv'e heared diamond 1 is slow, and her touch sceen is crap.
Well, depends on how you look at it. Of course the phone can be slow and such, but with minor tweaks to TF3D and to the registry, you can get the phone real smooth. Out of all those you said, I would pick HD because it got a 3,5mm jack and a bigger screen
Dont get a Diamond 1. You'll be investing un old(er) tech. I would get a Diamond 2 or TP2. I'm using a BB Bold at the moment which i prefere to the Diamond.. I'm sticking with RIM untill WinMo 7 comes out natively on devices.
If the previews of the Zune HD are anything to go by then Win Mo 7 will be worth the wait and i'll be ditching RIM in a heartbeat as they just dont have the same quality of software base available possibly due to restrictions of what memory is available to programs whilst there running. But, what they do well is the basics you'd expect of a communications device. Email, phone calls, even the mp3 player is much better sound quality than on my old Diamond
The efforts of the ROM cookers on this forum is excellent and Im sure MS are taking on board comments from web sites like this but a chef is only as good as his ingredients and the ROMs being leaked at the moment are full of bugs.
This is obviously just my own opinion on the subject though
i prefere the diamond 1 its cheaper , cooler , got the look , have a lot of developers here , alot of ROMS , does not have any manufacture problems like the diamond 2 or the pro 2
Aqrab, what manufactues problem are you talking about??
Artieq, iv'e didnt meant about the screen size. iv'e heared its a fingerprint nightmare...and also it have poor battery life.
I can get diamond 1 in 225$, and diamond2/HD in 480- 500$
spikeuk76, what are you talking about ?
"Dont get a Diamond 1. You'll be investing un old(er) tech. I would get a Diamond 2 or TP2. I'm using a BB Bold at the moment which i prefere to the Diamond.. I'm sticking with RIM untill WinMo 7 comes out natively on devices."
What TP2 is ?
BB bold?
RIM?
WINMO 7 ?
Well, now i need to decide between the diamond 2 to the HD. it's a very hard decision
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its cheaper , cooler , got the look , have a lot of developers here , alot of ROMS
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Yeah, that also were the main reasons for me to buy a D1.
D2 has a bigger screen, more RAM, better Cam, microSD card slot and a battery with more capacity. If you need one of these and are willing to invest much more than the D2 is your device.
In my opinion the D1 runs very smooth even with demanding apps. Remember also, D2 has the same chipset.
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Yeah, that also were the main reasons for me to buy a D1.
D2 has a bigger screen, more RAM, better Cam, microSD card slot and a battery with more capacity. If you need one of these and are willing to invest much more than the D2 is your device.
In my opinion the D1 runs very smooth even with demanding apps. Remember also, D2 has the same chipset.
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Hello
I'm gonna make alot of skype calls (wifi) with the device
The device can't replace music player like COWON D2+
Same chipset? what? and the hd have the same also ?
It's not that i need to add alot of money to buy the hd/diamond 2.
I'm afraid the diamond 1 will be slow, fingerprint nightmare, and bad battery.
I think the best for me will be hd/diamond 2.
Well, you are right about the battery life and fingerprints, but the phone itself IS SMOOTH AS SILK (for me).
Well diamond1 is in different level compared to D2 & HD because is a lot cheaper and have less ram and rom.
So between thous two I would go for diamond 2, because it's little smaller than HD, and other specks are the same, except the HD has 3.5 jack & bigger screen.
So it's depends what you like - need, bigger screen 3.5 jack, get HD, I like a little smaller device, that could comfortably fit in my pocket, so I would get D2!
Yeah, its alot cheaper, i can get diamond 1 in 225$, and diamond2/HD in 480- 500$.
But diamond 1 has few bad things that has been fixed in hd and d2, don't you think so?
Anyway, i don't know if i need a big screen. i will mostly use it to make fring (skype) calls, and in 4-6months, i will use the software teamviewer that will be released.
I will not use the device for playing music, because the cowon d2 from what iv'e heared, have better sounds quality.
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Hello
I'm gonna make alot of skype calls (wifi) with the device
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Wifi is an absolute battery drainer. D2 has indeed 200mAh more capacity but also a larger screen. You might wanna go with the D1 HTC 1340mAh "extended battery". Although that one requires another back cover which makes the devices thicker.
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Same chipset? what? and the hd have the same also ?
It's not that i need to add alot of money to buy the hd/diamond 2.
I'm afraid the diamond 1 will be slow, fingerprint nightmare, and bad battery.
I think the best for me will be hd/diamond 2.
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HD also features the Qualcomm chipset.
From what I and many others can say the D1 runs perfectly smooth - but yes, it is a fingerprint magnet (as will be D2/HD) and its battery is small. I bought a second one but only for heavy usage (eg navigation on the bike). Otherwise it offers me a reasonable lifetime even when listening to music for hrs.
Hey
lol why buy other device when you can just buy an HD/diamond 2
I think i will go over the diamond 2... i will see it in a store and then decide.
thank you.
Hello all,
I have a lot of Problems with this VPA. Now it makes all, but not what I want. After a start it runs fine, but after a Hour it makes silly things.
I will now try a lite Rom or anything else.
Thanks a lot to all hard Workers on custom Roms
today i sold my diamond. thx foe god...i just wanna thx to all xda members who helped me modding and ypgrading..but after i saw the iphone, tired that famous multi touch...i just sicked and tired of changin roms, etc...
hope one day when winmo will have multi touch, changable rongtones and such litle things i will back to htc devices...
cheers...
Can't comment on multi-touch, but pretty sure every Windows mobile device I've had since my first Magician has supported changing ringtones, in fact I actually found the adding of ringtones to be more hassle on the iPhone than it ever was on any of my Win devices. (I recently sold my iPhone 3G in favour of getting a new Windows Mobile device)
Just been offered the Diamond for free on a £20/month contract, so seriously considering going for that unless something else is available