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I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. In fact, every time I use it feels like a cold start these days, even though Quick GPS is downloading data regularly and always shows 6+ days.
Every GPS app is the same - Tom Tom, GPS Test, Google Maps, Live Search - I can be waiting up to 10, 15, 20 minutes for a fix. The only time it's quicker is if I've used the GPS recently, and even that is a bit of a black art.
I like running the official ROM and I'm happy with the update in every other way, but the GPS problem is driving me up the wall - am I the only one? Is anyone running the proper ROM and not finding their GPS impaired?
The weird thing is, I can watch GPS test picking up two, three, four satellites but it just won't lock...
This is with the WWE 3.28 ROM with the 3.28 SPL loaded (fixing the freezes under Hard SPL v1)... what's going on?
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Usually, I've found the GPS lock time is Radio Based. Maybe try a different Radio.
Boinng said:
I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. snip...
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The only thing that is going to get me off the DEATH V3.5 ROM is a newer Rom by this same person.
The GPS is the best that I have ever had...
The phone signal is the best that I have ever had...
The GPS lock is about 30 seconds after TomTom starts...
The battery life is phenomenal - (it takes about 24 hours for the phone meter to register correctly) but I had 79 percent battery life left after using the phone all day yesterday at 11 pm last night (unplugged it at 6 AM).
Obviously - your carrier, your radio and ROM and where you are in the world can affect your signal greatly - but at this point - for me - the DEATH V3.5 ROM and radio rock and will stay on this phone as I LOVE having no phone issues.
HTH
Bill
Ok, maybe I've not been clear here - I'm not wanting to swap ROM stories or compare radios, I'm asking if anyone else is experiencing severe GPS problems with the stock ROM, and stock radio.
Anyone?
This isn't "which ROM/radio is best for GPS", it's "did the HTC ROM break your GPS?"
I have never looked at the official HTC ROM for comparison but I had the same thing after updating to certain ROM (non-official) the only way around it I found (other than replacing the phone) is another radio. Its not a problem with the ROM at all my good man just replace the radio and you should see a quicker lock time
I use radio 1.64.08.21 ang get a lock after approx 10-15 secs
Well If you are going to be snippy about it. Never mind. Forget I tried to help.
Though You may be hard pressed to find someone who is using the Stock ROM, I believe most people are wooed by the magic of Leo26, ConfusedStu, dutty, and the other Chefs out there.
So you wouldn't say that quoting my post back to me as "...snip snippity snip snip..." was being "snippy" in the first place?
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I'm just interested in whether this is a common problem or not. I know GPS performance varies between radios, but with this new ROM & radio the difference is pretty shocking, and given that HTC are expecting the whole world to have installed it, I was surprised nobody else seemed to have noticed. You're probably right, nobody here kept it for long enough to find out apart from me, but I like my phone to be "stock". I guess this is my reward.
The answer probably is to try another radio, but it's a funny old situation.
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Ok, maybe I've not been clear here - I'm not wanting to swap ROM stories or compare radios, I'm asking if anyone else is experiencing severe GPS problems with the stock ROM, and stock radio.
Anyone?
This isn't "which ROM/radio is best for GPS", it's "did the HTC ROM break your GPS?"
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I'm using the new (WM6.1) stock ROM from HTC on my Tytn-II and haven't had any issues with GPS lock. I would say less than 30 seconds assumming it has a clear view of a good percentage of the sky. Fix time is the same whether I use TomTom, GPS Tuner, or the HTC-GPS Tool.
Ofcourse if I try and start-up GPS while indoors or in an area where buildings block more than 50% of the sky then the fix time can be much longer.
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I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. In fact, every time I use it feels like a cold start these days, even though Quick GPS is downloading data regularly and always shows 6+ days.
Every GPS app is the same - Tom Tom, GPS Test, Google Maps, Live Search - I can be waiting up to 10, 15, 20 minutes for a fix. The only time it's quicker is if I've used the GPS recently, and even that is a bit of a black art.
I like running the official ROM and I'm happy with the update in every other way, but the GPS problem is driving me up the wall - am I the only one? Is anyone running the proper ROM and not finding their GPS impaired?
The weird thing is, I can watch GPS test picking up two, three, four satellites but it just won't lock...
This is with the WWE 3.28 ROM with the 3.28 SPL loaded (fixing the freezes under Hard SPL v1)... what's going on?
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I had the same problem after loading the 3.28 Hard-SPL. Reverted back to stock SPL and GPS is lightening fast.
Are you using the stock 3.28 SPL or the new 3.28 Hard-SPL?
Did you run Kaiser Tweak? if you did I would Hard Reset and try GPS test.
Got exactly the same problemwith the htc stock 6.1 rom. Nothin to do with hard spl etc as neve used it - phone has always been htc branded.
it appears that although quick gps data is downloaded, it is not used hence taking a long time as it needs to download the almanac data frim the satelites instead of quickgps. Ive emailed htc, but i have NEVER had a reply to any questions ive a ked in the past.
kavi said:
I had the same problem after loading the 3.28 Hard-SPL. Reverted back to stock SPL and GPS is lightening fast.
Are you using the stock 3.28 SPL or the new 3.28 Hard-SPL?
Did you run Kaiser Tweak? if you did I would Hard Reset and try GPS test.
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I'm on the stock SPL - my phone is Vodafone branded so I was originally using Hard SPL (with which I flashed the original stock HTC Rom) and then flashed the HTC 3.28 SPL after I found I had freezing issues with the 6.1 update. Haven't touched the new Hard 3.28, but from what you say it's obviously not going to help. I did wonder if the mystery fix in the 3.29 SPL might have something to do with the GPS, but if it's working fine for you on 3.28 who knows.
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Got exactly the same problemwith the htc stock 6.1 rom. Nothin to do with hard spl etc as neve used it - phone has always been htc branded.
it appears that although quick gps data is downloaded, it is not used hence taking a long time as it needs to download the almanac data frim the satelites instead of quickgps. Ive emailed htc, but i have NEVER had a reply to any questions ive a ked in the past.
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That's how it looks to me too - looking at the signal levels in GPS Test etc, it's not obviously a problem with the radio performance itself, which makes me doubt that changing the radio will actually help (while it will no doubt screw something else up).
I was just browsing through an interesting thread here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=292178 - on how Quick GPS works (or didn't work for a while) on the Artemis. There's some interesting stuff there about how all this is supposed to work.
I'm really suspecting that Quick GPS is broken in some way in the latest ROM. If it were working, then the phone should always have the almanac data and this should be visible in the settings screens in Tom Tom and other gps progs as satellites it's expecting to be there, but for me - unless I've had a very recent lock - it's always blank. In other words, the data isn't there, regardless of what Quick GPS is saying.
And a good question would be - where should the data be? Quick GPS itself is stored in the \windows folder, but there's no sign of the "packedephemeris.ee" file mentioned in the Artemis thread. Does anyone know where we should be able to find it on the Kaiser?
Another question is what server(s) should Quick GPS be downloading from - in my non-functioning Quick GPS, the settings in the registry are as follows:
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\0\0\IP > xtra1.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\0\1\IP > xtra2.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\1\0\IP > xtra3.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\1\1\IP > xtra1.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\2\0\IP > xtra2.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\2\1\IP > xtra3.gpsonextra.net
The three servers (xtra1, xtra2, etc) are also listed under HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\SNTP as Server 1, Server 2, Server 3 - does anyone see anything different on there working model?
Im having the same problem,
Running Dutty's 6.1 Dual rom. Once the ROM had installed I noticed that QuickGPS didn't work straight off the bat. I suffered long GPS lock wait times. I found a QuickGPS cab file which fixed QuickGPS but my lock times don't seem to have improved. Via GPSTest I get 3-4 within sight straight away, but they sit on red for ages perhaps a few more satellites with appear but again they'll all sit on red. until about 15 mins passes, then finally a fix.
Im sure my GPS responded quicker than that in previous ROM's. at the moment its not really effecting me and im really not going to go through another ROM change again to test.
Im already on radio 1.64.08.21 which is supposed to be the best out there. tut.
no idea about hard spl and all that business, not really sure what y'going on about.
Would also like to find a fix for this, as i've tried a few different methods of fixing with no luck.
So it's not the radio, which ties in with my hunch that this is more to do with Quick GPS. But my Quick GPS registry settings match those I've found elsewhere, and I've found the data - it's an "xtra.bin" file in the Windows folder, which also matches reports from working installs. And I'm having no problem with the whole downloading process, that's happening in the background (through Activesync) just as it always was.
So is there something in the actual Rom (and presumably the base rom used by Dutty) which isn't picking up that data when utlising GPS?
Well I think I read a few posts on Dutty's Dual ROM thread about QuickGPS not working straight off, but its a long thread to plow through to find out. S its entirely possible there's a good reason.
Hmmm
well I proved to myself im not inherently lazy I did a bit of searching around and found this little gem of a thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375172
it suggested that QuickGPS has a region setting in the registry
low and behold I checked my
HKLM\Software\HTC\QuickGPS\region
and it was set to US,
I changed this to say UK, I've not tested this but I think this might make a difference. I'll let you know whenI get the chance to play around on the way home from work. I usually try and get a fix on the 15 minute walk to my bus and dont get any fix at all, If all goes fine I'll be watching myself in Igo8 on the way home. Sad.
Hmm, fingers crossed for you, I just checked and mine it's showing "GB" though. So maybe your's should be GB (although that's not working too well for me) or maybe mine's wrong, and should be UK?
well I just popped outside for a quick test and Corblimey guvenor if Im not getting a fix in about 20 seconds.
Which is excellent to say the least since i was sat under a canopy of trees at the time and its grim as normal up't'north.
Id switch yours to UK, I didnt really think to try GB, but If its not working for you right now, I'd suggest trying UK.
I changed it to UK, soft reset, tried Tom Tom, no change. I then checked the registry and it had switched back to GB, so I changed it again, closed and reopened Quick GPS and redownloaded, back to Tom Tom again and.. no change. I don't think it's going to do it for me, maybe we have two different problems here..
Hello,
I installed Windows 6.1 on my HTC today (The official rom from HTC Club), and i realised GPS was not working ... neither on googlemap or tomtom, it is waiting signal, but not finding satellites.
Does anyone know where i could find windows 6.0 HTC rom, or is there a fix? (Searched on forum, found somepost with people having the same problem, but didn't find any solutions ...).
Rom is 1.65.16.25 (Official HTC Rom)
Tried this, but it doesn't seems to work (And value is back to -- after phone reset.
Tried GPSTest, and it got stuck at "GPS starting up".
thanks in advance.
I'm no expert, but sometimes it's the radio that causes the problem. Try 1.65.16.25, it works fine to me
Well, my rom is 1.65.16.25
It will work if you give it long enough!!!! The problem lies with the quickgps data that for some reason is not being used to get a quick fix. Read this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397728
How long did you allow you phone to receive the signal? Once I had to wait for 10 min plus to get a lock after a rom upgrade.
I am sure you we not moving while trying to get a lock?
Did you do a hard reset after the rom upgrade?
MODS can we close or merge this thread as it is a duplicate to what has recently been discussed here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397728
It works but you have to wait..... took me around 20+ mins to get fixed which equals useless....
also the battery life is sh*t... the new radio is soooo poor
I used the 6.1 upgrade posted here the other day -
ROM version: 3.57.502.2 WWE
ROM date: 07/17/08
Radio version: 1.65.21.18
Protocol version: 25.88.40.05H
Everything has been working great except for GPS. I downloaded Google Maps and it worked previously with the 'Managed by Windows' option selected, but I cannot get a connection now. It just sits there with 'Seeking GPS satellites (0) ... " and does not connect. If I manually select COM4, it times out after a while and says "No GPS receive was found. yada yada yada."
I know the final official ATT rom uses a different radio version (1.65.17.10) and protocol version (25.83.40.02H). Would this effect the GPS? Should I load the official ROM instead of this one? Or can I just flash the radio?
Here with the same problem but if you try to download it from htc.com you still get RUU_Kaiser_CINGULAR_WWE_3.57.502.2_radio_sign_25.88.40.05_1.65.21.18_Ship could just be an old image that they have put in by error. and i used TOMTOM 7 as well and still no gps. Ill try different radios later 2 see what happens.Will post if any help
Thank you. Glad to know I'm not the only one.
I did finally get Skyfire, so I will console myself with that.
(everyone can get it this week with "Michael8" btw)
I upgraded my Tilt, and I am not having any problems using the GPS. Have you tried using the HTC GPS Tool to see if it can get access to the GPS unit?
Oops. I just noticed that you didn't install the ROM that came directly from AT&T. I used the official ROM and haven't had any problems.
It is possible that a difference in the radio could affect the use/performance of the GPS. I would still try the HTC GPS Tool first. If you haven't used it before, it will display all the satellites that your unit sees and their signal strengths.
Thanks, I'll go find that an install it. I've tried Windows Live Search, Google Maps and TrackMe, and none work so far. If I can't figure out it out by tomorrow I may just flash the 'official' ROM. I'd love to try one of the cooked ROMs, but work fries my brain enough as it is.
I use i'nav on my phone.
I had to change the com port to 4 then it worked again.
I've tried manually setting com4, but that still won't work.
I installed the HTC GPS tool, but I'm not sure what I'm looking at. When I hit 'Open' it scrolls lots of stuff, but nothing ever pops up on the Satellite tab. :/
If you have Advanced Config or Kaiser Tweak, try turning off Assisted GPS.
thank Valtamr.. tried it both ways. Assisted GPS was off by default, tried turning it on, no go, turned it back off.
well i did download the official rom
Is it work properly now?
Gah, I hate having to load all my apps and customizations back on again.
well i didnt download any other just the official one and i got the problem
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Gah, I hate having to load all my apps and customizations back on again.
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If you hate reloading everything as much as I do....you owe it to yourself to check out SASHIMI:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392983
I flash quite a bit, and let me tell you, SASHIMI is a life saver. It'll bring back your apps and settings very quickly (and even set up your email accounts if you build an XML with it's included tool). Bengalih also has great documentation for it (as well as video tutorials).
Thanks Val. I've seen SASHIMI mentioned before. Watching the YouTube vid now.
SASHIMI looks excellent. I think I've got everything setup w/it. Guess I'll try loading the ROM from HTC's website and see how it goes.
reinstalled the ROm now gps works. Try it might help you 2
Yup.. just reinstalled from the file available @ HTC.com
ROM: 3.57.502.2 WWE
date: 07/17/08
Radio: 1.65.21.18
Protocol: 25.88.40.05H
Working GPS ftw.
ok, so this may be a lame question and probably depends on a lot of variables but can anyone suggest a good radio for use in the uk??
is there such a thing, i've tried lots and so far seem to like a few but i still can't get the bl**dy GPS to work properly
i get a loke in about 10 mins if lucky.
i've used poldo's rom and ngy's and pda ultimate, and for my purposes poldo's seems the quickest and most stable to me.
any help would be appreciated.
dblonde
Using Radio in sig, lock about 2-3 mins, using mcguider "to which isn't the greatest sat nav prog"
yeah thanks for that. used that for a while, made my rom fast but gps lock was poor.
what do you think of the emo radio?
cheers mate
UK Radio version
I have dutty's 6.1 final with radio version 1.58.25.14. I am on T-Mobile and all is fine with my Kaiser. All this software was from the Kaiser software section on XDA.
Hope this helps
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yeah thanks for that. used that for a while, made my rom fast but gps lock was poor.
what do you think of the emo radio?
cheers mate
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Haven't used emo as have used the radio mentioned with no issue on every ROM i flash and even 3 carriers.
Do you use quickgps and have you tryed running GPSTest as you will find fix faster, also will always take longer for fix off cold boot.
I used to live in Solihull area of Birmingham and use 1.71.09.01 radio with 3G switched on (HSDPA off) and I could leave it with data connected all day and sync my mail every 15 minutes and at the end of the day after a few short calls I would still have 40 - 50% left.
I have just moved to South Wales (valleys area) and the same setup down there my battery is on 0% by 4pm. So I have had to kill 3G and set mail to manually refresh to get through the day.
fixed it
gps test installed and a new radio 1.65.16.25
get a gps fix in about 10secs.
i come from south wales, lived near the vally's in bedwas. now live and work in greenwich london.
small world.
thanks for everyones input.
dblonde
dblonde said:
fixed it
gps test installed and a new radio 1.65.16.25
get a gps fix in about 10secs.
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Glad you got this resolved but I used that Radio with the 'initial' UK HTC official WM 6.1 ROM update and it well and truely broke my GPS (compared to the WM 6.0 setup in my sig I'm back to using). I have no need to use gps test or any programs other that Tomtom Navigator 6.032 so I strongly suspect your results have more to do with GPS Test or the ROM, than that particular radio.
I recently flashed to nX1i v1.04 and installed iGo 8. Everything was working beautifully but I wanted to try out itje's Touch-IT X1-P.UC. After I flashed I went through the motions setting up the connection and reinstalled iGo. After I ran iGo I realized I was not connecting to any satellites. The satellites were showing up but there was no connection being made. I ensured that I had updated quickgps but it did nothing. I tried also using the gps function in google maps but it could not find any satellites. The baud rate in iGo was set to auto and the com at 4.
I checked my radio version and I had Radio 1.11.25.76. I thought that maybe if I changed my radio it might help. I tried flashing blackstone and raphael both modified for the X1 and after the utility said congratulations, the phone reset but in device information i was still at 1.11.25.76. I tried reflashing spl and then flashing the radios but still the same issue. I did however flash down to 1.10.25.18 and back up to 1.11.25.76 with no problem.
The underlying issue here is the GPS. I really need the gps up and running as it is my only gps! Anybody have any ideas?
About the radio update the number didn't change because your phone must be security locked...But if you use official xperia radios it does change the number...
And about the gps issues you shouldt try other rom i recommend you i prefer stock roms there have not such kind of issues or maybe light ones, i use one that i myself have take all videos and get more memory....
Trust me try other roms
Or use a tool call GPStool from HTC...
And make hot and cold start....
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About the radio update the number didn't change because your phone must be security locked...But if you use official xperia radios it does change the number...
And about the gps issues you shouldt try other rom i recommend you i prefer stock roms there have not such kind of issues or maybe light ones, i use one that i myself have take all videos and get more memory....
Trust me try other roms
Or use a tool call GPStool from HTC...
And make hot and cold start....
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Thanks for the help Fulgore69! I tried flashing back to stock but no luck. Is the rom you are using available on xda? I have no idea where to go from here
Have you confirmed that your Regional settings and your timezone are correct?
These can affect the ability of the GPS to work.
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Have you confirmed that your Regional settings and your timezone are correct?
These can affect the ability of the GPS to work.
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Yes, the regional settings and time zone are set correctly
I get that sometimes as well, it could be cloud cover etc. Try it again in about 5 to 10 minutes and see if you're still having the same problem.
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I get that sometimes as well, it could be cloud cover etc. Try it again in about 5 to 10 minutes and see if you're still having the same problem.
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I have tried it several times today on clear skies just standing still outside, no dice
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I have tried it several times today on clear skies just standing still outside, no dice
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Try this tool here you go
Uploaded to my account by me:
http://www.4shared.com/file/100737635/5b261d7c/FunctionTest_004g_SE.html
And password of rar: Ferdinand Fullgraff