Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
Koush said:
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
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Maybe you have already seen it .. but check out the 'NavDbgTool.exe' here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Testing_Tool
Riel said:
Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
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Good idea ! I was thinking about starting such topic..
What about a unlocker ? If you slide your finger from Home key to the Answer key and at the same time you slide your other finger from the Back key to the Don't Answer key ? Could be nice.. just an idea!
What I have seen, that is quite hard, since above and below the nav-pad is no touch-pad. It sees it as 'nav-pad action' then.
I thought of navigating in another way.
What multitouch-applications do there exist, and are any of them usable for the limited space we have besides the nav-wheel?
It DOES give 4 extra 'hardware' keys. Even key-combinations can be made
Maybe some genious will find a slick way of text-inputting via the 2 pads !
Just give it a small kick upwards
Dont let this topic die?
I was just looking at this for a bit, think I get some clues about how to get the data. I have a time-problem, though Will probably be a while before I pick it up again.
However, I think I saw Schaps mention he is using it in his new touchxperience UI, that'd mean he knows how to do it. Why not just ask him?
I can see one use already. Capacitive sensors are more responsive than resistive screens, so it would be cool to use this in place of touching the screen to scroll through touchflo3d tabs.
Surur
Does any one know if this is implemented in the touch pro? and if so, in what way? Maybe we will inherit whatever the pro has to offer in this regard.
YESSSS!
This is awsome!
Did you guyzz see the vid vid?
Unlocking the Diamond with no Hard button touch at alll?.
Cheers fellasss
Nice, looking forward to a nice task manager and launcher mouse pad thing in the future!
A mouse like on the Samsung Omnia would be a good idea.
Surur
Not really multitouch
OK, I've download the NavDBG tool and played with it... strictly speaking this isn't multitouch, or not multitouch in the way that the apple looks at it. It's single touch but split into 3 areas. Basically imagine the button area at the bottom of the diamond is split into 3 columns.
You have 3 single touch areas:
1) On the left with the home and dial buttons
2) In the middle tracking outside the circle or also detecting a touch (not a button press) inside the circle. If you finger touches both outside and inside the circle, outside the circle takes precedence
3) On the right with the back and hangup buttons.
The multitouch impression comes from the fact that all 3 of these single touch areas can be used simultaneously.
This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple, but it does mean that a device fairly limited in terms of buttons could get a lot of good enhancements to useability.
My biggest annoyance with the device is when you are trying to gesture in TF3D or in an app (eg scrolling in opera) and it decides you've tapped mid gesture and follows a link etc, using the louch sensitive lower areas for gestures would eliminate this problem and make for a much better user experience (in my opinion).
Also, for games, the potential to use the touch sensitive lower area for a range of game controls would be great.
So all good stuff, but not strictly speaking multitouch.
edit: Additionally it seems to only see a narrow horizontal band in the middle (wheel) section. Interestingly it seems to register about 1cm on each side of the wheel and inside the button, it seems to infer rotation around the wheel based on the finger movements as it crosses these areas.
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This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple
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Seeing how small the pad area it, this would still work, just with fingers on different sensitive areas. If fact, this sounds like a perfect first implementation - zooming in Opera Mobile (although a bit senseless since the scroll wheel works with one hand while pinching will need two).
Surur
i think the biggest advantage of this revelation will the benefit of some new added buttons. I can think of a few uses for them too.
left/right touch to
move fwd/back through tabs in opera
skip fwd/back tracks in music player
pounding the hell out of when playing daily thompsons decathalon (if anyone remembers that great 80's game)
I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I would love to see this!
My full on support.
I was thinking of using the touchpanels for a mousepointer control!
I know, when browsing opera, my fingers are too fat to click small links.
Must keep zooming.
I wonder if it was possible to pop up a mouse cursor, and move it with one small touch-panel. The other panel for left and rightclicks.
I have held my diamond with that idea, and I think it is very useful and finger-friendly!
CapacitiveFingerLock
I did make a Proof of Concept of CapacativeFingerLock. This one gives another possibility of locking/unlocking the Touch Diamond or Touch Pro.
So I down loaded this:
http://www.innovisoft.com/virtuamouse/
Free trial, seems to work as stated. it gives you a mouse pointer that the direction keys control. But I got to thinking that the fuze has a touch sensitive control pad since Gscroll works with it. If one could get them both to work together (including double tap to open) you would have a regular laptop type touch pad control of the phone then. And control it one handed to do almost everything.
Is there a way to get Gscroll to work with this?
Looks good but there are two issues for Fuze users... #1, our directional pad is too low/flat for easy side to side scrolling. #2, the price for this program + Gscroll would be over $30.. lil steep for a virtual mouse.
Maybe someone thats handy at programming would take an interest in it. Doesnt look like much codewise, as both programs (mouse pointer and gscroll) are tiny bytewise. I wouldnt care if you had to swipe 2-3 times on the small Fuze touch pad to move the pointer across the device screen. At least you could do 99% of the control of your device one handed with a thumb then. Right now I have the mouse pointer set to my end call long key press to activate/deactivate it, and using the dpad buttons is a pain, along with having to press the center button as "click". Double tap and swipe on either side of the center button would be easy to control it.
I think,that it can be very useful with adjustable sensitivity. In comparison with Omnia/i780 touchpad,Raphael's space is much more bigger,so it couldn't be a problem. I am interesting too for kind tool.
I 've tried to make it work with Gscroll, but I had no luck...
Not only that, but it disables the gscroll functions...
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Maybe someone thats handy at programming would take an interest in it. Doesnt look like much codewise, as both programs (mouse pointer and gscroll) are tiny bytewise. I wouldnt care if you had to swipe 2-3 times on the small Fuze touch pad to move the pointer across the device screen. At least you could do 99% of the control of your device one handed with a thumb then. Right now I have the mouse pointer set to my end call long key press to activate/deactivate it, and using the dpad buttons is a pain, along with having to press the center button as "click". Double tap and swipe on either side of the center button would be easy to control it.
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How did you managed to change the functions of the Long Press End key, could you help me with that, please?
So I was in the browser tonight playing around with the ability to shift the cursor to any point by touching and holding the screen in any area that accepted text input.
When you do this you will notice a cursor appear above your figure which can be positioned. Cool right. My first thought was that if the cursor appeared above my finger how could I position on the last visible area of the screen. I dragged my finger down to the bottom of the screen and then onto the buttons and to my surprise the cursor continued to move. In fact it tracked perfectly no matter I i moved my fingers across the buttons.
In short the touch screen extends all the way to the bottom of the buttons!
It's cool that they don't separate the touch regions for this purpose... does it work in other parts of the OS too?
Hmmm I'm not sure
A easy way to see it to see this in action is to head into one note and click the text area. Press and hold and drag your finger down over the buttons whilst the purple cursor is on screen.
it is also active over the HTC logo at the top, I'd imagine the whole glass face is active
Is there anyway to tweak the touchscreen sensitivity? In other words, a lot of the time the Nook is interpreting a tap as a drag. When I tap an app on the home screen to launch it, the screen moves and bounces back as if I tried to swipe to another home screen.
I would like to set the minimum distance for a drag/swipe to greater than it is now.
Have not see a way to adjust the sensitivity ... that being said, many have reported the screen sensitivity is greatly affected by 'residue' on the screen (i.e. skin oils, moisture, etc) and have seen lots of benefit from a screen protector .. this has helped lots for me but especially the edge areas of the screen remain darn sensitive.
There is an adb method on the dev wiki that helped me a bit. I haven't figured out copy/paste on this thing yet, but a google search for "nook devs recalibrate screen" should get you there.
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Is there anyway to tweak the touchscreen sensitivity? In other words, a lot of the time the Nook is interpreting a tap as a drag. When I tap an app on the home screen to launch it, the screen moves and bounces back as if I tried to swipe to another home screen.
I would like to set the minimum distance for a drag/swipe to greater than it is now.
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I don't think this will work on setting a minimum movement like you mentioned, but there is a howto on nookdevs about tweaking the touchscreen sensitivity.
http://nookdevs.com/Recalibrate_the_NookColor_touch_screen
Hope that helps!
please answer some questions if you cant answer them all...
1. I saw there is a mod that makes the htc logo the menu button....does that also make the black bar go away in apps that have the black bar?
2. during gaming or swiping can you accedently press the back button? for example swiping from screen to back button activates it or not? (does it require a tap, or will a swipe suffice?)
3. how much does the GPU eat. how many hours could i play modern combat 4 for example? an average of time would be enough.
4. can i zoom in during recording slow motion videos?
i currently own a galaxy S4 wich has desame camera features....but all need to be set before you make the photo. the htc one just makes the photos and then after making them you can select those functions like drama shot and eraser wich is very nice.
the thing that i dont like on the htc one is a smaller screen size and afraid i will tab the back button every time.
1. With 4.2.2 you have the option to remove the menu bar, you can make it so that if you hold the home button, it acts as a menu, and swipe the home up for Google Now, and double tap home for recent apps. its in Settings/Display & Gestures
2. never had any accidental back button presses during gaming.
i cant answer the other two
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1. With 4.2.2 you have the option to remove the menu bar, you can make it so that if you hold the home button, it acts as a menu, and swipe the home up for Google Now, and double tap home for recent apps. its in Settings/Display & Gestures
2. never had any accidental back button presses during gaming.
i cant answer the other two
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thanks! have you tried to swipe from game/screen to back? will it activate it?
maybe is there a way to only make that button work doing a double tap?
borgqueenx said:
please answer some questions if you cant answer them all...
1. I saw there is a mod that makes the htc logo the menu button....does that also make the black bar go away in apps that have the black bar?
2. during gaming or swiping can you accedently press the back button? for example swiping from screen to back button activates it or not? (does it require a tap, or will a swipe suffice?)
3. how much does the GPU eat. how many hours could i play modern combat 4 for example? an average of time would be enough.
4. can i zoom in during recording slow motion videos?
i currently own a galaxy S4 wich has desame camera features....but all need to be set before you make the photo. the htc one just makes the photos and then after making them you can select those functions like drama shot and eraser wich is very nice.
the thing that i dont like on the htc one is a smaller screen size and afraid i will tab the back button every time.
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1. The black bar will still be there on 1.2x ROMs, but with the 4.2.2 ROMs now circulating, it is removed by default.
2. I have never accidentally swiped until it hit the back button, but if you're having issues with that you can just turn the phone the other way round so that the buttons are on your left instead of on your right (assuming you're right handed)
3. I have not played MC4 (just bought it today), but it can play Asphalt 7 for about 3-4 hours before it rolls over and needs a charge.
4. You won't want to do any zooming of any kind on camera phones, cos it's digital zoom. Optical zoom is achieved when the lens in the camera move to give you a closer view, but digital zoom just enlarges the pixels on your screen and looks fantastically ugly.