Hi Folks,
thanks for a great discussions on this forum, it helped me a lot in some issues!
I have had a good idea of having a "universal" device since my first pda. And I thought I would get one with Diamond, but unfortunately... The issue is that am trying to use Diamond as a GPS device and a memory unit at the same in my car... I have an MP3 car radio with USB (incl. power supply), so what I am trying to get is:
-> Running GPS inside Diamond (e.g. Navigon)
-> Running car radio (supplying Diamond with power)
-> Car radio reads Diamond's internal flash memory over USB
Until now I only managed that Diamond's GPS running and getting power over USB (-> selected ActiveSync after plugging in the USB cable into car radio) OR Diamond's internal memory serving MP3s for my car audio and charging itself over USB.
So my question: Is it theoretically possbile to get what I want?
I know, setting Diamond as internal memory demounts the flash for external USB device and makes it unavailable for internal applications... And ActiveSync will never work with the car audio... And there is not enough space to place GPS maps into ROM... But probably you have some ideas or tweaks of apps, which could help me???
So what I tried was:
1. Creating two memory patritions my SD-card with my old XDA mini S and demounting them with WM5torage. It didn't work with mini S as WM5torage recognised only one created partition. It also didn't work with Diamond as I could not create two partitions on it (for several reasons).
2. I tried to find an extra soft app, which would "extend" ROM emulating it by using the space of the internal memory. Didn't work.
3. Use different USB modes...
So do you have an idea?
Thanks and regards,
schroschy
// D
I've got the same kind of car radio... but I don't see any chance to get what you (and I) want. so get yourself a usb-memory-stick (with even more than 4 gb) or a second diamond
Anrgy...
Argh... I'm so f**king angry!
'Cause HTC Diamond Pro, which comes out in a couple of weeks, got 512 MB ROM and an external miniSD card slot - just enough to place a map of Germany or enough mp3's / ogg's on each sigle partition!
Bastards...
EDIT: But there MUST be a workaround! I can't believe it doesn't work! I heard Micro$oft is working on an alternative product to ActiveSync... Maybe it'll help us...
Any further suggestions?
a new radio...
i thought about a new radio with bluetooth. so you can play music with the diamond and use tomtom at the same time and hear both (music and commands) through the speakers in your car...
it's cheaper than buying a pro
there was an app for older pdas that would allow you to present the storage as a disk , i think you could also still access it from the pda
@cookie: you guess you mean WM5torage... i tried this one, it didn't work with xda mini s (qtek 9100). and it does not work with wm6.1 anyway...
@Herr_Knigge: i though about it... what you mean is basically using diamond's internal media player and transmitting audio via bluetooth, don't you? i will try it out next time at the media store and will share my experiences...
thus, if anyone has a good workaround / tweak / app to solve the problem - you are welcome
I'm curious about why you're so determined to get this to work... is it so that you don't have to buy a car charger kit?
Seriously, you can get a 4GB flash drive for peanuts
@Davey101:
well sure you can get an SD for peanuts, but hangig around with your sd-card plus cardreader plus all this chargers etc. is what i hate... why can't i have everything in one device???
@Herr_Kringe:
i had a small BT-test in the media store on firday. it worked fine (with some minor interruptions when loading) with sony mex bt 5000. however, i am not sure about the sound quality. sony supported special audio-streaming-mode and i started diamond's bluetooth-headset-mode... so i guess it was all mono sound. thus you can tweak it to joint stereo in diamond's regestry...
another thing i'm worried about using BT is the volume level. since the audio player is running in diamond and not in the car audio device, loudness maximization inside diamond could cause some distortions. and i am not sure if there is any sound wave normalization / limiting inside the bluetooth interface. i will do some more tests this week.
PS! another cool thing was that navigation speech was also heard in car radio over bluetooth there was kind of a loundess controller between player and navigation, so the player turned down the level to hear the navigation speech
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Ok ive got an xda2i and mini s.
I have tomtom on the 2i (not changed it over to the mini s cos i like the larger screen) I want to get a stereo head set for use on the motorbike so i can listen to music, also want to be able to listen to tom tom comands. When a call comes in take the call as i pull over. (saves takin off the helmet).
Does the xda2i support A2DA?? its standard UK spec with only the O2 upgrades from them.
Now using the jabra 205 headset i have at the mo, i know i can play music (poor quality) and have tomtom run at the same time. Thing is when a call comes in the music and tomtom mute and the call comes through (which is good) but when the call ends the music and tomtom revert to the xda2i. i have to press the button on the headset to switch back.
Is there also a good voice dial for the xda2i.
So if the xda2i does support a2da will it do what i want?? I know that if it will ill have to strip the system and fit it to the helmet (doesnt bother me if it will work as im an electronics engineer)
You can download the audio bluetooth from Broadcom via google (Broadcom Corporation BT-PPC AV is the download you may want to check out).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=281310
Can A2DP
XDA 21 support A2DP
gone to that link... thanks. ive dloaded the file but have no idea what to do with it. im serious i have no idea at all. i need complete idiot guide for it.. post in the other location or here, i dont mind
many thanks
cool i got the file installed and have nice clear sound, it switches between a call and wmp BUT if i run tomtom5 the music starts to drop out.. big gaps and the same happens with the tomtom comands. this happens to tomtom even if i dont have wmp running.
getting fed up with this stuff now. at least with the wired headphones it all works....
Did you install any battery monitoring software...
the xda is from a hard reset, tomtom 5.2 installed, then the A2DP cab. thats it.. not even put on my contacts or anything. totaly clean. then added the BT-Q800 GPS and its little test program which only when run is used to find which com port the gps is running on. used the setting from that to set tomtom correctly.
TT tested with the gps fine.
then added the headset. tested fine.
BUT when i try to have both the GPS and headset working thats when it gives up. i have a feeling its going to be something to do with the bandwidth on bluetooth.
The audio starts to chop up as the GPS is connected. Ive not tried it with the wired gps though
What your Roms and Ext, version
Has anyone had experience of these?
I was looking at a blaupunkt hamburg car stereo and whilst I can always use USB or 3.5mm aux jack to connect with my kaiser, I would like, if possible, the full bluetooth experience - with the stereo playing music off my kaiser and handling calls as well. I know it will handle the calls part, but what about the music part?
I guess the Kaiser supports BT "headphones", but I wondered if it was possible for a car head unit to pull track listings via BT from a phone, select which track to play etc.
I would really like to be able to have TomTom on the kaiser screen and select what music I want via the car stereo's controls.
Is this possible via BT? I know this unit does that via USB, but I can't seem to work out if track selection is possible via BT. I spoke to some salesmen, but all they quoted at me was "It has Audio Streaming" - I looked that up, but all it said was you could skip track etc - I want to be able to browse playlists on the head unit as well as play, pause etc.
Does BT degrade the quality too much? Would I be better off using the USB port?
depends on if the car stereo supports Stereo over Bluetooth. Go to the bluetooth on your pda, click and hold on the paired stereo and if it gives you the option - you're good otherwise you may need to find another solution.
It's not just stereo over bluetooth (A2DP) I want, it's the ability to browse playlists via the bluetooth device
I don't know of any BT unit that supports playlist browsing -- as I understand it, the AVRCP profile that supports skip, rewind, etc. doesn't support playlists. AFAIK, there's no BT profile for that.
I have a JVC (BT1)unit that can control the music player and stream the music from the Kaiser ,browsing the songs is mot possible
OK, so hard wired it is then.
I am thinking now that maybe BT isn't so wise anyway, I have an active holder, so wires are not a problem really and wires don't cut out randomly or get interference.
Mind you, I just realised that for it to work over USB, the device has to present itself as a mass storage device, which I don't think pocketpc phones do, do they? You need activesync...
Does anyone know if it is possible to run an app on a pocketpc that makes it present itself as a standard usb mass storage device and not an activesync device?
my motorola a2dp bluetooth stereo headphones worked with my unit just fine - they had play/pause/next/prev/volume buttons that worked too - decent sound quality also
evilc said:
OK, so hard wired it is then.
Mind you, I just realised that for it to work over USB, the device has to present itself as a mass storage device, which I don't think pocketpc phones do, do they? You need activesync...
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You don't necessarily need activesync for this, but you might try Softick Card Export or WM5torage (when someone gets it working on the Kaiser).
I tried the demo of Softick Card Export II and it works, there also appears to be one called WM5Storage on Modaco, but it won't let me download it, I think I need a subscription or something. What is the license on WM5Storage? Can someone send me a copy?
[Edit - heh, was writing this as you posted. So WM5Storage doesn't work on the Kaiser yet?]
This should provide the best possible audio quality - an error corrected usb link to the stereo and also the best functionality - the stereo can browse the phone so you can scroll through lists of your music on the stereo head unit whilst tomtom displays on the kaiser screen
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the stereo can browse the phone so you can scroll through lists of your music on the stereo head unit whilst tomtom displays on the kaiser screen
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One problem I see with this is that AFAIK, Card Export, when in use, prevents all other access to the card from your pda, therefore your maps on the card would not be accessible to TomTom while you are playing music via USB.
Surur
order of contacts displayed
Does anybody know how I can change the order contacts are displayed on the screen of the car? After I have sync the Kaiser with the BT car device all cantacts were sorted first name / last name. I do want to change that?
Any tip?
surur said:
One problem I see with this is that AFAIK, Card Export, when in use, prevents all other access to the card from your pda, therefore your maps on the card would not be accessible to TomTom while you are playing music via USB.
Surur
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You seem to be right on the money mate I got the stereo today, fitted it and got memory access violations when using tomtom and pulling tracks via USB
This is highly annoying, is it not technically possible to overcome this?
You could use smaller regional maps and store them in main memory?
Surur
Yeah, I could I suppose, but annoying - I paid for Western Europe and would like the whole thing on there all the time. You never know - you may go to a stag do, get drunk and wake up in France somewhere!
Persuing other angles at the mo - not got a word back from softick yet as to whether it is technically possible to access SD card via USB and phone at same time, and I have another thread exploring the possibility of an activesync to Mass Storage Device dongle.
We shall see.
I've got a Sony bluetooth unit and (MEX BT2500 or something) and use my Trinity for handsfree, TomTom and streaming music over Bluetooth - Kaiser turns up tomorrow but should be the same.
I use Coreplayer for music, it works great. You choose the music from the phone, but then you can skip tracks from the head unit. Sound quality is similar to using the aux port on the front - never had problems with interference or cutting out.
yeah, at the moment I just use the 3.5mm AUX input on the stereo and use pocket music.
I use "Double Launcher" to remap the internet explorer button - 1 press for tomtom, double press for pocket music - that way I can quickly switch between the two whilst driving by touch alone.
It's pretty good, but I would rather not have to take the map from the screen to select music, especially if you have a passenger who wants to browse available music. Plus the car head unit display is in big glowing letters which are easier to read at a distance. Also, it cuts down on a cable as the USB would cater for charge and audio.
Unfortunately the head unit only does audio for calls not audio streaming anyway, but I wasn't buying it for this as I figured bluetooth audio involved a lossy compression and so degraded quality - not an issue for phone calls but not the best for music, especially when it is already been through MP3 compression.
I got an answer from softick today, and it seems the limitation is imposed by their software. I have argued the case against the limitation, and they seem to be swaying towards giving something a go. Fingers crossed for a solution here.
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Sorry to bring this back from the dead . .
But I am in the middle of purchasing a stereo for my car and want to be able to do a few things . .
1) More than anything i want to be able to stream my Iguidance or TomTom turn by turn directions over my stereo through bluetooth.
2) I want to be able to take calls while still having my directions being played. ( Ie. while driving and being told where to go, if I get a call it will silence the directions and the call will take over. )
3) I want to be able to switch from BT to CD or radio. So if say TomTom tells me, drive for 10 miles, I can switch to radio for a while so i can listen to music and then switch back after some time to get back on track with my directions. What would be even better is if it treated the directions just like a call and allowed me to listen to the radio or cds, and when TomTom decided to talk, it would mute or turn down the radio/cd and play TomTom over it for the moment of " In 2 miles, exit on the right ".
If this is not possible then it isn't really worth it to spend the extra $100 or so on a good headunit with bluetooth. please give me some info or ideas.
(On a side note, if I were to use a BT headset, and had tomtom running, would the commands for turn by turn directions be fed through my BT headset? And would I be able to take calls while still doing this? ) If yes, I may just end up getting a good BT headset and just a nice CD player because of cost.
anyone have any ideas?
please, someone? help me help me
Does anyone know a ROM or one ore more programs for using the HTC Wizard as "Car-PC" for Music, Navigation and Video?
That means a system with huge buttons and icons for easy input with fingers (e.g. the x-button is always too small...)
I'm doing something similar ..
windows media player & iGo
i've got a pioneer BT radio, so you can use the buttons there to play/pause music. Navigation and music at the same time is a bit hard on the processor though.
Thanks for your reply.
I've got Navigation and Music on different SD Cards because they cannot be run at the same time anyways.
My Wizard is connected to the car radio via cassette adapter, so I have to use the buttons on the phone. The HTC Audio Manager is pretty good but it lags, so I'm searching for other solutions.
The best thing would be to have an OS like on a PNA because I don't need any other programs or function anymore.
Alright, simply put: I want to use my Tilt to replace my old MP3 player.
I installed PocketPlayer and got an 8 gig MicroSD card. Filled the card about half-full with music, and plugged it in.
This is the weird thing. The first time I put it in, PocketPlayer recognizes all the files (1200 or so), and they play without issue.
The problem is, if I exit the program and try again later, only about 60 files are still in the library.
When I check the card with File Explorer, I only see those files. If I take the card out and open it on my PC, everything's still in there.
So my question is, why is it that my Tilt isn't able to keep all these files available to me?
Any suggestions or alternatives would be greatly appreciated.
i would try not to place all the files in 1 dir but put them in sub dirs if you dont already to see if it makes a difference
never had the issue myself but my lib is a tree struct with artist->album->tracks
hmm, I personally use media player so i have my db or artists/geners/albums etc
My card is 4gb with a boat load of songs on it, have you tried using a diffrent player to confirm its not pocket thats not causing the problem ?
do the files disapear from you another(total commander/etc) file explorer within windows mobile as well ?
um my 2c's
I have 1.4G of music on mine, in appropriate directories, and it's okay with Pocket Player.
However, I find that Pocket Player uses a lot of battery playing them. I don't know if it's because I have them in ogg format or what, but the Tilt gets quite warm when playing for a while and the battery drop is pretty high, although I haven't actually measured it yet. I should do that tomorrow.
I haven't had any problems w/ TCPMP & my 8 gb card. I have all my music in storage card\my music\'artist names', and all the playlist files saved in my music
the htc audio manager is good no problems when using it with 8gb card. but the repeat function doesnt work does anyone have the same problem???
I use Mortplayer (Freeware) which is better than any commercial app out there. I have lots of MP3's on my 8gb card and always reads my library. It can also display album art. It also has presets and extra Bass etc etc. Try it out.
Does your Tilt go boooom?
Okay, re-organizing the music into directories worked.
Now I'm faced with the problem of getting an effective way to listen to it.
I have a good set of headphones, but the USB-headphone adapter is another story.
I don't like the fact that the adapters make it so that the microphone doesn't work. What's the best solution for an adapter? Or should I just give up and go Bluetooth?
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Okay, re-organizing the music into directories worked.
Now I'm faced with the problem of getting an effective way to listen to it.
I have a good set of headphones, but the USB-headphone adapter is another story.
I don't like the fact that the adapters make it so that the microphone doesn't work. What's the best solution for an adapter? Or should I just give up and go Bluetooth?
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I personally like the Motorola S9 bluetooth headset. It all depends on the style you like but they sound pretty good. For bluetooth, it also depends on how much you'll be listening to it between charges.
I use the Plantronics convertible headset. Without the earbud it you can listen or make calls like a standard bluetooth. With the earbud you get stereo sound. The fit is dependant on your ears, though. They give you several options, including isolating buds, but you have to find what fits your ear best. Sound is great, and the bud make stereo convenient. I keep the bud in my pocket, so it is always available.
I use the latest Pocketplayer without a proble and like that the new version supports bluetooth control button like next song and play/pause. I still use TCMP to play my videos and with those two you cant go worng.
Hello everyone...sorry for bothering, but I'm so frustrated that I'm about to scream...I really need some help here.
I have an AT&T Tilt (Kaiser) running their standard ROM. I just bought a Motorola H780 bluetooth headset for it. The salesperson said that he knew of some people who connected this model to their Tilts and was able to listen to music through it...and even on earpiece box it says that the H780 supports both the Hands Free and Headset profiles. However, I have not been able to accomplish this: it pairs for normal use (phone calls, etc), but nothing else. The "wireless headset" option is greyed out for me; the earpiece only gives me the option to connect using "Hands Free" profile.
I have looked...and looked...and looked for how to do this. The best I found from Google was for people who have Windows Mobile 5 (I have 6)...and even so, I tried a couple of those registry tweaks. On here, I keep running into countless forums that tell you, not how to enable A2DP, but how to improve it (using modified bitpool value in the registry, etc). Can SOMEBODY PLEASE tell me how in the world to get this working? I would really appreciate it...THANKS!
Well this is how i do it. I downloaded this http://www.teksoftco.com/index.php?section=freeware
that is the page then you get a2dp toggle
and then when my bluetooth is on the the headset is on i then go to this program and double click it and it puts another icon by the bluetooth icon and i get sound that way for my music and also calls still come threw too. I am not saying this is the right way but it works great for me...
bluetooth toggle
bluetooth toggle turns on the headset (single ear normal everyday talking sets) like a speakerphone.
all audio will get directed to it, im, e-mail, meeting announcements.
I had a sony headset model, with 12 talk time, nice because it will eat your battery while on ( tilt and headsets rated for talktime will apply to this ) . my plantronics only does 4 hours, so at lunch or when not in use I charge it and phone via usb cable.
I am in IT and most peaple are ok with me wearing bt headset (plantronics 655) and write me off on the gadget side when I wear it 24/7. In reality I listen to music (10% volume on audiomanager) all day (literally) from my 8 gig card.
I have streaming and resco radio, and podcasts. Mostly I converted my common mp3s to wma to have more on the phone and high audio cd quality is not to be expected over bluetooth. The right rom and radio are very helpful and the ability to tun off screen but still play music are all important or battery will suffer even more. using the stock rom and radio will work, just not a good balance team.
duttys roms and a few others had it included btw. I found a way to use audiomanager 1.2 on the new roms with 1 registry setting change to allow suspend mode.
I use a very simple version of it. I attached it because, I searched a bit to find a link, (still recommended for education on the subject) but didn't find it or in the chefs and mods downloads either.
Thanks to both of you for your responses! I appreciate someone taking the time out to help.
Blinkste21957, I tried your solution and it didn't work...for some reason, it saw my headset as being "unusable" (my term) with regards to headset mode. I don't quite know why; my headset clearly says on the box that it is. (Motorola H780). This is why I think that there must be something missing on my phone that will enable the "headset" option for my earpiece.
Acehole, I tried your solution a while back...but it was with the 8525, not the tilt, and with my (previous) plantronics headset. I was less-than-impressed with the problems I had to deal with last time...but I could give it a whirl again with this phone/headset and see what happens.
If anyone knows of anything else I'm missing in terms of "activating" the headset capabilities of my phone (which I thought was supposed to have A2DP), let me know. I'm just very puzzled why, for an earpiece that supports headset mode, my phone would have that option unavailable.
Actually, I think that it is the phone and not the headset. When I had a nokia I was able to listen to music via my bluetooth with no issues. The tilt will not allow you to do this without the use of a third party application. The following is what many people have used and are using as a work around. BTAudio, BlueMusic, A2DPToggle. Tech soft makes BlueMusic and the A2DPToggle and can be found here: http://www.teksoftco.com/index.php?section=products. Unless one of the bright developers here on XDA takes this on, I fear that it will never truly be resolved.
Thanks ACEHOLE.. I was struggling with my iMate.
Someone on here recommended the Sony DR-BT22 some time ago. I bought a pair and they link up and sound is impressive on the Tilt with Windows 6.1
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8458466&st=bluetooth&type=product&id=1184369168158
I can also control forward and reverse functions of the player with them too.
Bluetooth - especially compatibility - is still one temperamental beast! My car's built-in hand-free made me and the poor guy from AT&T a believer. They can plaster A2DP, HSF, HDP, ESP, JMDP, whatever on the box and it it means squat as to whether it will work or not. Only ones that do are manufacturer-to-manufacturer....sometimes.
Mack
If you have WM 6.1, and if you have a headset with the A2DP profile (NOTE this is not the same as the "headset" profile) then you can listen to music without any problem. If you don't have both, then you need to mess with the software add-ons mentioned earlier in this thread .
As for me, I got the excellent Jabra BT8040 and it works great with My Kaiser with stock 6.1. Only about $30 too.