I was watching Transformers yesterday and today i watched another movie on my tilt. I realized that the movie lags a bit and quality isn't that good. The movies are dvdrips, however when playing you can see a lot of blurry squares at times. Also the sound is horrible. The sound about half a second later after the character actually mouths what is being said. So i can i fix these two problems? I am using TCPMP so any help with the settings on how to solve the issues would be great. Thanks
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I know people here are saying they are having media problems with the Kaiser and the video hardware could be implemented better, but I must have a different WM device because I don't have half of these problems!
First of all check the file you have converted by watching it on your PC. Some freeware conversion packages are crap and audio lagging and 'blocking' are present in the converted files.
Secondly, make sure you have converted to a reasonable screen resolution and frame rate. Playing anything above a 640x480 res on any PDA causes it to convert 'on the fly' and slows down playback.
I have many films in avi (not DivX!) format on a WLHDD2.5 wireless HDD and can play them very well over WiFi (use Resco Explorer to access network drive).
Hello Kareem I Just Read Your Post And I Have A Question , How Can You Download A Movie To Your Tilt I Have One And Im Having Trouble With That , And Do You Know A Good Website ? I Tried Vongo But They Told Me That The Tilt Does Not Work With Them. Thank You Very Much!!
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I know people here are saying they are having media problems with the Kaiser and the video hardware could be implemented better, but I must have a different WM device because I don't have half of these problems!
First of all check the file you have converted by watching it on your PC. Some freeware conversion packages are crap and audio lagging and 'blocking' are present in the converted files.
Secondly, make sure you have converted to a reasonable screen resolution and frame rate. Playing anything above a 640x480 res on any PDA causes it to convert 'on the fly' and slows down playback.
I have many films in avi (not DivX!) format on a WLHDD2.5 wireless HDD and can play them very well over WiFi (use Resco Explorer to access network drive).
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Amen, If you re encode movies correctly they play just fine on a tilt. I watch mine all the time even with BT headphones on which stress the cpu and the tilt even more. I change the audio sync to -0.500 for the headphones and -0.250 for regular viewing in coreplayer and the audio and video is perfectly in sync. I tryed the new version of coreplayer and the quality is superb. I quess thats why I have a dvd player also. I really dont need to watch a 4 gig dvd file on my tilt when a few minutes encoding it properly works just fine to throw it on my 6 gig sd card at a puny 250 meg file then. I have no skips, artifacts, or crappy picture. Most people are amazed when they see it playing on my tilts screen. Its a ppc phone. If I want a cinematic experince, I fire up my HD dlp projector and watch it on the 12 foot screen at home.
Me too . I'm watching live free or die hard now. Have seen about 3 movies on my Tilt and s9 headphones and it's great! PM me if you want the link for the movie(s).
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Hello Kareem I Just Read Your Post And I Have A Question , How Can You Download A Movie To Your Tilt I Have One And Im Having Trouble With That , And Do You Know A Good Website ? I Tried Vongo But They Told Me That The Tilt Does Not Work With Them. Thank You Very Much!!
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Wow, must have dug deep to find this old thread!!
lol, that's what i realized to. I saw transformers like a couple months back! Now watching other movies.
Re-encoding and audio syncing covered in this thread
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Hello Kareem I Just Read Your Post And I Have A Question , How Can You Download A Movie To Your Tilt I Have One And Im Having Trouble With That , And Do You Know A Good Website ? I Tried Vongo But They Told Me That The Tilt Does Not Work With Them. Thank You Very Much!!
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Although not addressed to me, you ought to convert a dvd that you already have, or rip if off a website first. In order to convert a dvd movie, you do need conversion software. There are literally numerous recommended software to enable you to do this.
Although this one is not perfect, I use a software called 'super' on my laptop. It is freeware by the way and probably is not as top notch as paid for products. I've also never converted a full movie length video as well, just clips. But I assume it would work.
Once its converted, copy the converted movie to your memory card (if you have one) or your device. (The former is more ideal however)
I think it has also been inferred that you don't have to have conversion software to play a dvd movie on your device, but it will consume alot of your memory if you put a 700MB movie on your device
Which is why you use software such as Ashampoo Movie Shrink & Burn to shrink the file down to 320 x 240, turning an 800MB file to 200MB.
Also with Ashampoo, you can tell it what size you're aiming for, so if you want the file to shrink to 100MB, it will tell you what sort of quality it will be. but I usually shrink mine down to between 170MB - 300MB, depending on the length of the film.
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Which is why you use software such as Ashampoo Movie Shrink & Burn to shrink the file down to 320 x 240, turning an 800MB file to 200MB.
Also with Ashampoo, you can tell it what size you're aiming for, so if you want the file to shrink to 100MB, it will tell you what sort of quality it will be. but I usually shrink mine down to between 170MB - 300MB, depending on the length of the film.
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Audio..I have never tried Ashampoo, you have me intriged now as I usually two a two step process.
Cheers.
Audio,
How is the video playback when you shrink your movie down to 170MB - 300MB? Do you get lags and a lip sync effect?
Video playback is fine. No lag, it's just like watching a standard movie on a tiny screen . I have my audio synced at -200 in TCPMP which solves any delay. Everything can be found in this thread
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Video playback is fine. No lag, it's just like watching a standard movie on a tiny screen . I have my audio synced at -200 in TCPMP which solves any delay. Everything can be found in this thread
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Thanks for this Audio! I'm about to try it now
One more question, do you use Ashampoo Movie and Shrink or Kingdia Video Converter? On this thread you mentioned Ashampoo, and on the other thread you mentioned Kingdia Video Converter
I use Kingdia to convert my files to .avi format, then Ashampoo to shrink them down to 320 x 240. Although thinking about it, i've never actually tried to shrink any other type of file format using ashampoo, perhaps you can shrink .mp4/.wmv/etc straight to .avi using ashampoo, give a try and let me know!
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I use Kingdia to convert my files to .avi format, then Ashampoo to shrink them down to 320 x 240. Although thinking about it, i've never actually tried to shrink any other type of file format using ashampoo, perhaps you can shrink .mp4/.wmv/etc straight to .avi using ashampoo, give a try and let me know!
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I should have your read your first post in the other thread properly. Yes, I see why you use both Ashampoo and Kingdia. I'll try it. May take me a while though
I don't normally have my video clips at AVI format. I normally have it a 3GP or MPG. Why AVI?
"I have my audio synced at -200 in TCPMP which solves any delay. Everything can be found in this thread"
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I was wondering if to sync your audio at -200, do you have to go to 'Settings' and then 'buffering' and then change the figure in 'preload for audio' to '-200 kb'
Well I use .avi as it's good compression, you could have a film in .wmv that is about 2GB, whereas in .avi it'd only be 700MB.
As for your seconf question, to sync your audio in TCPMP, go to Options > Select Page > Advanced, and you're looking for the "Manual A/V offset +/-" box. And I actually lied, mine's currently set to -270, not - 200. But it depends how much faster your eyes work compared to your ears
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Well I use .avi as it's good compression, you could have a film in .wmv that is about 2GB, whereas in .avi it'd only be 700MB.
As for your seconf question, to sync your audio in TCPMP, go to Options > Select Page > Advanced, and you're looking for the "Manual A/V offset +/-" box. And I actually lied, mine's currently set to -270, not - 200. But it depends how much faster your eyes work compared to your ears
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I'll be putting those values in now. Thanks again. But I still would have thought converting a movie to '3GP' would save alot more space, but the quality of the video would probably be poorer. I've noticed this when using the programme 'Super' to convert video clips to 3GP in comparison to converting the very same video clips to MPG. I assume that AVI and MPG file sizes can't be too different...
And I just stumbled upon this in your other thread:
Hi plchan,
to be perfectly honest, I've no idea how other file types play, as all the films I "Source" are mostly .avi's anyway. However TCPMP has codec for loads of different file types, so I don't see a problem with Shrinking different file types straight to 320 x 240.
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I'll try keeping the video type to its original if TCPMP will play it anyway. Plus, the quality of the video always detoriate whenever you encode.
A random question- In your sig, I notice you are endorsing 'mini opera'. I was wondering which out of 'mini opera' or 'mobile opera' is the better for a kaiser
For web browser's, you're probably better off reading this thread. The reason I use Opera Mini, is because I enjoy the zoom ability that you get. I.E when you open a webpage, you see all the webpage, then you can just press on the bit you want to zoom into. But the minute Opera Mobile 9 comes out, I'll be getting it . That Skyfire that's made an appearance also seems to look VERY interesting, probably going to be a good competitor for Opera Mobile 9, as is Microsoft's Deepfish browser. It's all very exciting.... lol.
So I've done pretty thorough research into the ins and outs of the video problems with the tilt(kaiser). I get that the inadequate drivers slow everything down (the time it takes for my tilt to go from portrait to landscape is ridiculous). But I have an question that I can't seem to find an answer to:
The videos rendered using youtube, or really streamed from any website, do not suffer from any kind of lag, buffering (unless I'm out of range), or any other ill effects. The clearest and sharpest videos I get are from online streaming. Why is that?!? Whereas videos I upload from my laptop, or especially videos I record on the phone are completely, absolutely, so awfully unwatchable!
Is it just a matter of video size and quality? If i reduce the video recording resolution would that help? (the answer is no, i've tried).
More importantly, is there a way to replicate the streaming videos a la youtube with the videos uploaded or recorded on the phone?!
While I don't have any hard facts to prove it. I belive the issue lies in the resolution and audio quality of the youtube videos. I Watch youtube on my phone with no problems. but the quality is Vastly lower than the videos I upload from my laptop. If you reduce the quality of the videos you upload you'll notice a similar speed boost. but you'll be reducing the quality quite a bit.
At least thats my experience. I notice a better playback when I reduce audio and video quality of my files. But considering I need subtitles for what I watch. Quality reduction isn't an option for me.
What programs are you using to play each of these? Also, streaming videos will almost always be a lower resolution thatn files from your computer. A streaming file can have a large enough resolution that it looks very sharp on your 320x240 screen, but not sharp on a desktop monitor. Now, the file that looks good on your desktop monitor at a resolution of 512x348 or so, requires a lot more CPU to render, thus looking like poop.
It makes sense that youtube etc videos are of lower resolution and everything. But I would honestly take the lower resolution if I could have not-jumpy streaming of the videos i record. Is it possible to tweak my cam in some way to make that happen? I've tried setting it to the lowest resolution but that doesn't work. Any other thoughts on this?
while resolution is important matter ...
stored medias can have different bit rates (kbps) this applied to both streams and stored/recorded media...etc and don't confused this "KBPS" with the rate of internet speed ... 2 different things ... too high a rate will choke your device
select one stored media and choose properties ... click on the summary tab ...check it and see !!
you can have 2 videos with the same resolution ( X by Y ) ... but concentrate on bit rates ( kbps ) as well as frame/sec ( fps )
out of the 3 above ... resolution is the least important ... as our device is QVGA ( 240x320 ) ... if your media is higher res ... it will shrink to fit ... likewise, if it's lower res. ...it will stretch to fit ..etc
ie ... try playing a 640 x 480 video on a modern desktop monitor ( which is averaging 1280 x 800 ) ... and it will still play fine ... but stretched ....therefore, that is the LEAST of your problem
I was wondering if there is a good VOB file player around. Something that allow me to watch a full DVD on PPC. I just got myself an 8GB microSD and would love to try to watch a movie on my Pocket at high quality.
Or Do you guys have something to suggest me so that I can watch a movie smoothly?
The tilt's processor would never be able to decode a full resolution VOB smoothly...
Why try to play a 720x576 file on a 320x240 screen? Recode it, in high quality but in the screen's resolution....
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Absolutely!!!
a VOB file would never work (well its damn unlikely)! Rather re-encode, keep the resolution at 320x240 so its the tilts native resolution and use a high bit rate to keep the quality high, thats ur best bet
What program would you recommend to re-encode?
ive been trying to download and play video podcasts on my g1 but every video player ive tried wont play it. im assuming its something to do with diffrent AR than the handset screen. is there anyway to play video podcasts on the go?
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We need more information... Can you give us links to the video files you're trying to play? It really wont work properly unless the video is 480x320 or less and video bitrate is < 768 kbps. As for aspect ration it really shouldn't matter if the res is smaller than the g1 screen.
so there is no android equivalent to say vlc which can set the video size to fit the screen?
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so there is no android equivalent to say vlc which can set the video size to fit the screen?
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No, there's no Android equivalent to VLC.. The problem isn't so much the size or aspect ratio, as the codec (video format). Android can't handle many formats.. h.264 is the only thing I know for sure. And like the other poster said, have to keep the bitrate low. I've managed 768 before, but it was unreliable (would skip, hang if I tried to jump around a lot). Probably need 512 or so to be safe.
so is there a decent free video podcast player? i want to watch the ted talks which are in mp4.
thanks guys
After a lot of experimenting I've settled on Mediacoder as encoder: free, fast, from everything to everything. The only big disadventage is that it isn't very easy to use (altough the Web UI is ok).
These are the settings I use. I've chosen them because they produce the smallest file/quality compromise while retaining smooth plaback. Also you don't need a special player to view it, WM/the HTC player can do it (altough that might only be since the diamond2 since I use gen.Y's D2 rom)
Container: MP4
Video codec: H.264 (x.264 encoder)
Bitrate: 256 Kbps 2-Pass (target bitrate/average bitrate will produce same sized file faster altough with bit less video quality, since I usually only transcode short music clips etc. and have a fast computer I use 2-pass, but if you want to encode 6 hours of movies you might want to select average bitrate)
Resolution: 640x480
Profile: Baseline - Level 3.0
Audio codec: AAC (Nero encoder)
Bitrate: 96 Kbps
Profile: LC-AAC (make sure you use this, most players can't play HE-AAC yet, e.g. Apple can only do it since iTunes v9, iPhone OS 3.1 and the iPods of fall 2009)
As I said: smooth playback, small filesize and good quality...
Sometimes I have a file which doesn't play really smooth, but lowering the bitrate to 200 Kbps usually fixes that. That is also usually the bitrate I choose for video if I have a really large file and/or want to be sure the file (e.g. film) plays smooth. In my experience lowering the resolution helps a bit on smooth playback, but doesn't really help much. The only reason I use a lower resolution is because I like [email protected] Kbps better than [email protected] Kbps (200 Kbps differs a bit from case to case). Remember: the bitrate gets "divided" over all the pixels so more pixels => less bits per pixel. The only reason to use a higher resolution is because it's sharper but you don't usually see that on such a small screen and low bitrate.
Another thing: I really recommend using x.264 as an encoder rather than the nVidia CUDA encoder. Altough it is waaay faster it also produces worse quality results, especially at low bitrates. So if you have the time: use x.264. If you have the power and space: use the CUDA H.264 encoder.
What do you use?
try handbrake... its free
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try handbrake... its free
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Well, that doesn't sound very good to me...
AVI: AVI is a rough beast. It is obsolete. It does not support modern container features like chapters, muxed-in subtitles, variable framerate video, or out of order frame display. Furthermore, HandBrake's AVI muxer is vanilla AVI 1.0 that doesn't even support large files. The code has not been actively maintained since 2005. Keeping it in the library while implementing new features means a very convoluted data pipeline, full of conditionals that make the code more difficult to read and maintain, and make output harder to predict. As such, it is now gone. It is not coming back, and good riddance.
OGG/OGM: HandBrake's OGM muxer is just as out of date. It hasn't been actively maintained in years either, and it too lacks support for HandBrake's best features. ... This one is not coming back either. ...
XviD: HandBrake, these days, is almost entirely about H.264 video,... Meanwhile, XviD's build system causes grief...
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Ok, avi I can understand. Anyone who combines AVI with H.264 is just being stupid. But OGM? Xvid? Sound to me more like: we were to lazy to update our requirements and now they're out of date and awfull so we're just removing them...
Removing Vorbis and Xvid from your encoder... Whut?