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Should I Not Buy New Kaiser Because of Video Problems?

Hi All,
I currently own an HTC magician. I want a new phone with everything the magician has plus GPS, WIFI, more RAM, and a keyboard. The only phone I found that comes close is the Kaiser, but I've heard such bad things about the video driver problem.
Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?
Do I have any other options with those specs?
Thanks,
Daniel

I have a Kaiser and I am very happy with it, because I can do so much with it. However if a bit of lag annoys you greatly it may not be for you.
Surur

NO. Wait some time whether the issue get resolved. Its not only the video - the whole phone is slow. You can not browse, rotating you screen. If i make a call with skype, the phone is really very slow and if i slide the keyboard and the screen orientation switches it can take up to minute to be updated - with nothing in background and free mem - only skype running. And until it switches you cant hang up, change the volume...nothing.
To be honest, i regret buying the Kaiser. And if i see how fast a cheap HiPhone can be, omg!
I wonder how HTC can have this on their webpage: More powerful than anything you've seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.
You have to be blind a live 5years back, for the slogan to be true...
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
Beware!

wait for kaiser fix

If video is not heavily used, buy it now. I bought it recently and like it very mcuh. But higher performance is still demanded...

fredbred said:
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
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better device with 3g, wifi, and wm6? like what?
get the kaiser...it's no slower then any other wm6 device out there and although yes it would be nice if we could play more games, normal res video runs perfectly fine.

fredbred said:
NO. Wait some time whether the issue get resolved. Its not only the video - the whole phone is slow. You can not browse, rotating you screen. If i make a call with skype, the phone is really very slow and if i slide the keyboard and the screen orientation switches it can take up to minute to be updated - with nothing in background and free mem - only skype running. And until it switches you cant hang up, change the volume...nothing.
To be honest, i regret buying the Kaiser. And if i see how fast a cheap HiPhone can be, omg!
I wonder how HTC can have this on their webpage: More powerful than anything you've seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.
You have to be blind a live 5years back, for the slogan to be true...
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
Beware!
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This may all be true if you're still using the stock ROM. There are some really smokin' cooked ROMs out there that really speed things up and make the Kaiser a truly enjoyable device.
One other thing, show me a PC that doesn't slow down once in awhile. That's what defrag is for.

Delta_flyer said:
One other thing, show me a PC that doesn't slow down once in awhile. That's what defrag is for.
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So you equate flashing a cooked ROM with clicking the "Defrag" button? One is a feature built into the operating system, the other can void your warranty and potentially brick your device. They're nowhere near the same thing.
I'm telling everybody I know to avoid HTC like the plague. Not so much directly because of the video issues, but because of their lack of accountability. They deliberately released a crippled device in hopes that nobody would notice, and are now working on some half-assed "fix" only because of the publicity that was generated by the XDA community.

Get one. I was in the same boat hesitating about the drivers. I am glad i made my decision. I upgraded from a 8525. Glad i did i have everything i need in one device. GPS Wifi, processing power. Im not sure what the full potential of this chip is supposed to be but its fast. I actually got mine refurbished from att about a month ago. After using it i ended up buying another one today for my wife and paying full price. Im not disatisfied. Definatly waht i would expect out of a 400 dollar phone.

Like most answers, it lives in the question.
"Because of Video Problems". Do you need or want to view videos not converted to 320x240 resolution? If you do need or want that that from your new expensive mobile device, then pass. ---- NO KAISER FOR YOU!
If you want a snappy interface and quick file browsing experience, then wait for the HTC "fixes". But still forget lag-free video at source resolutions above 320x240. ---------- > Get a Kaiser, and hope you can fix it.
Do you want fancy graphical VGA games or anything 3D? Forget the Kaiser.
Do you want a Windows Mobile 6 device that has real GPS, WiFi, 3G, Edge, 2 cameras (one for video calls, one for decent pics), querty keyboard, and bluetooth? And are able to put up with the device doing NONE of those things particularly well, then ----> Get a Kaiser.
I have a Kaiser. I live through its quirks. Its a fun device depending on your definition of "fun".
Do I regret paying $850+ for my device even knowing I was an early adopter? Yes. The device advertised was not the device delivered.
Would I discourage others from buying it at a $200 USD price point? No.
But then again, its up to you and what you expect from your device.

With Schap's ROM (4.31) and Coreplayer 1.2 i needn't a fix for "video pb"
I don't play 3D game.

Do not listen to most of what the naysayers have to say here. I have an iMate K-Jam and now I have an HTC TyTN II. I have done many comparison tests between the two devices. The TyTN II wins HANDS DOWN!!!
Driver problems? What driver problems? I have yet to find any lag on any video except maybe a bit on the camcorder app, but that's not a big issue. I watch full feature movies on Coreplayer and I have used TCPMP and WM Player with wayyyyyyyy BETTER performance than on my K-Jam!!!
Don't even think about it, go right ahead and buy a TyTN II, you will not regret it. Problem is most people drag these devices through their backsides and then they complain about this and that. They replace roms, install and uninstall all sorts of crap and then they wonder why it's acting up!!!
I have had my TyTN II since the 15th January this year and I have not experienced any of the so-called problems mentioned by some in this forum. OK, the battery does get used up quicker, but then again it has so much packed in and you can get 3000 mAH batteries now!!!
This sub-forum (Kaiser) is more like the Cheese & Whine forum!!!
BUY IT!!!!

Hey is this a HTC deHey is this a HTC dealer Thread?
The TyTN isn’t a finished device. There are much more bugs and “features” which should be avoid.
1 Video – its really slow. I don’t mind games, I even don’t watch video , because I have other devices for this, but if I wan to scroll the internet page, that’s not the speed I have never seen before! Why takes it so long to switch between portrait and landscape?
And the video from the camera I also pretty slow.
2 Speed – I have used a Fujitsu siemens n560. It was MUCH faster even if it was older and has 64mb ram.
3 The keyboard – this was one of the features why I have chosen tytn. But why they do not think if the do anything. Omg where is the ctrl key? How can you copy and paste? I have always to use the pen for it. No they put rather a key for opening the explorer, which I have used twice so far. And why have I to use the fn key to write a comma? And do you like the style of the keys? Its not even possible to write comfortably the last row of keys if you bent the display? And why are the functions of the keys doubled? Its for disabled people or maybe if you bite off some finger bored from waiting? I would expect that I can configure every key not to have three key for OK two for enter…
And maybe try to write any non-English letter – no we are in the world where no others languages exist.
I tell you, they are not selling what they are telling – What you have been told is not what you get.
What is good – the speed of gps starting, If you use quick gps.
Have a look how fast a under $200 device can be! Put Hiphone in youtube and you will know how fast the screen should react and switch.
Its not only about the damn driver, the parts of the phone are not finished. Not if the producer tells you: It’s the best you can get...

fredbred said:
Hey is this a HTC deHey is this a HTC dealer Thread?
The TyTN isn’t a finished device. There are much more bugs and “features” which should be avoid.
1 Video – its really slow. I don’t mind games, I even don’t watch video , because I have other devices for this, but if I wan to scroll the internet page, that’s not the speed I have never seen before! Why takes it so long to switch between portrait and landscape?
And the video from the camera I also pretty slow.
2 Speed – I have used a Fujitsu siemens n560. It was MUCH faster even if it was older and has 64mb ram.
3 The keyboard – this was one of the features why I have chosen tytn. But why they do not think if the do anything. Omg where is the ctrl key? How can you copy and paste? I have always to use the pen for it. No they put rather a key for opening the explorer, which I have used twice so far. And why have I to use the fn key to write a comma? And do you like the style of the keys? Its not even possible to write comfortably the last row of keys if you bent the display? And why are the functions of the keys doubled? Its for disabled people or maybe if you bite off some finger bored from waiting? I would expect that I can configure every key not to have three key for OK two for enter…
And maybe try to write any non-English letter – no we are in the world where no others languages exist.
I tell you, they are not selling what they are telling – What you have been told is not what you get.
What is good – the speed of gps starting, If you use quick gps.
Have a look how fast a under $200 device can be! Put Hiphone in youtube and you will know how fast the screen should react and switch.
Its not only about the damn driver, the parts of the phone are not finished. Not if the producer tells you: It’s the best you can get...
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which is why you should try a cooked rom. the internet scrolling thing u mention? its a bug in pie, there;s a fix for that......if you decide to stick to pie, cause lets face it, pie is a pile of **** anyways. try opera mini or mobile. oh and btw......i did get my tilt for under $200
as for the OPs question, there are tons of posts here about the performance of these devices (you might also want to look in the upgrading section to see the performance of cooked roms) and I'm not gonna dd anymore to it. At the end of the day, you are the one who has to make the decision, and you are the one who will be using this device, my advice to you is just choose wisely......i took the jump and got it even after hearing about the video issues, and i never regretted it.

Just get a Kaiser and wait till end of March when the drivers will be released.

MACkjam said:
Do not listen to most of what the naysayers have to say here. I have an iMate K-Jam and now I have an HTC TyTN II. I have done many comparison tests between the two devices. The TyTN II wins HANDS DOWN!!!
Driver problems? What driver problems? I have yet to find any lag on any video except maybe a bit on the camcorder app, but that's not a big issue. I watch full feature movies on Coreplayer and I have used TCPMP and WM Player with wayyyyyyyy BETTER performance than on my K-Jam!!!
Don't even think about it, go right ahead and buy a TyTN II, you will not regret it. Problem is most people drag these devices through their backsides and then they complain about this and that. They replace roms, install and uninstall all sorts of crap and then they wonder why it's acting up!!!
I have had my TyTN II since the 15th January this year and I have not experienced any of the so-called problems mentioned by some in this forum. OK, the battery does get used up quicker, but then again it has so much packed in and you can get 3000 mAH batteries now!!!
This sub-forum (Kaiser) is more like the Cheese & Whine forum!!!
BUY IT!!!!
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If you buy this phone you'll be taking a risk. It may be a small risk depending on what you'll have to pay, but a risk nonetheless of not being satisfied. At least you will have made your choice in good conscience and aware of the situation. Truth is we shouldn't have to compare this device to much older ones and say it's better. It shouldn't warrant a comparison at all but since it does there is obviously a problem. There are those that will tell you their TyTN II is "SUPER ACCEPTABLE!" but that's hardly the point. I didn't buy this thing believing it would have acceptable performance. This device is supposed to kick ass and we believe it would if it used the complete architecture of the chip inside. I got mine for $700 and my plan here on out is to just grin and bear it. There isn't an alternative device available yet and HTC has us over the fence on this thing. The anticipated fix is not going to address our concern of enabling the second core of the chip we paid for. I can confirm for you my experiences with the TyTN II and keep in mind this is before I 'dragged it through my backside' by flashing the ROM. (By the way why in the world would it matter whether it's been flashed or how many times programs have been installed/uninstalled?)
- Video playback is fine if my source is 320 X 240. I have always re-encoded my video anyway in an effort to save space and optimize everything. For this reason I didn't know there was a video playback problem right away.
- The camera is almost unusable. I have turned on the on-screen fps display and in sunlight I get ~18fps, in ambient light make that ~4fps and if it's semi dark forget about it. This effects taking pictures and taking video. The video I shoot ends up looking like a blurry mess and any picture I take better be of a stationary subject or else I will usually miss the shot. Interestingly enough the device takes great photos though.
- Screen rotation is a sore subject. I want the thing to be fluid but instead I have to watch it redraw slowly and in seperate pieces.
- Scrolling - it isn't certain that scrolling problem is a result of the missing drivers. I have to say that scrolling isn't very good but there is a fix on this forum to make it more reasonable.
- GPS works great, I've never had an issue with it although it kills the battery fast. Especially fast when using Google maps or live search because then you have the active GPRS data session combined with the gps.
- Battery life - I have a 1600mAH bat and I have to charge it every day but then again I auto download podcasts and such so I am partially to blame. As I understand it the drivers would increase battery life.
That's about it from me. Sorry this post is so long, let me wrap it up. I don't think anyone can tell you to buy or not to buy. You'll just have to make a decision yourself. At least it will be an informed decision, unlike mine.
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"Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?"
With all due respect to all you guys complaining about video drivers.. STFU! already.
No one complained until one geeky ass dude bought it up. I have no problems playing my movies on my device or streaming it via orb.com. I get no lag and for god sakes it's a mobile phone not a computer. It surpasses most devices to date. I have no complaint about this phone. This is like my 40th something phone that I've had being that I work for AT&T and they provide me with devices. When the update comes people will still be *****ing about the video drivers. What exactly are you guys trying to watch? Live video feeds from Mars!?
Seriously get the phone you will not be disappointed. For the record my device does not lag when I slide the screen, etc. I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.

even with no video drivers, it's still the best branded phone in the US. theres nothing better. (yet)

gqstatus0685 said:
"Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?"
With all due respect to all you guys complaining about video drivers.. STFU! already.
No one complained until one geeky ass dude bought it up. I have no problems playing my movies on my device or streaming it via orb.com. I get no lag and for god sakes it's a mobile phone not a computer. It surpasses most devices to date. I have no complaint about this phone. This is like my 40th something phone that I've had being that I work for AT&T and they provide me with devices. When the update comes people will still be *****ing about the video drivers. What exactly are you guys trying to watch? Live video feeds from Mars!?
Seriously get the phone you will not be disappointed. For the record my device does not lag when I slide the screen, etc. I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
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AMEN TO THAT BROTHER!!!!! I couldn't agree more with you!!!
I think that people expect to dial to Pluto with live feeds from the nethergalaxy and back!!!

gqstatus0685 said:
...I work for AT&T...
I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
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Awesome! So it is the official AT&T position that we should all install cooked ROMs on our Tilts? Is that what you tell your customers? And it won't void the warranty? That's fantastic news.
Can you please post your store number and employee ID number so your statement can be confirmed with AT&T corporate? Thanks!

HTC devices are boring

Is it me or do these devices get boring after awhile? I'm thinking about intentionally bricking my Tilt and restoring it just so I have something to do with it. Pretty pathetic I know. Nothing new or innovative has been released for it yet.

Haha, this wasn't quite the thread I was expecting, thank God. But I think this happens with all phones. I thought the Tilt was the coolest thing ever and now that I have had it for a couple months I'm kind of bored with it. I felt the same way about the iPhone and the Blackberries that I have had too though, so I don't think you can really specify that it is HTC devices. It is kind of the reason for innovation, people get bored with things faster and faster these days.

it's even worse for those who don't have pockets full of cash to fork over for lots of software for these devices.freebies help but not everyone enjoys trials and simply can't spend on numerous programs

dyetheskin said:
it's even worse for those who don't have pockets full of cash to fork over for lots of software for these devices.freebies help but not everyone enjoys trials and simply can't spend on numerous programs
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yeah so true
Sometimes i flash a random rom to 'try it' then eventually flash back to the previous only to spend the day setting it up when im done after a few hours i find myself looking through the rom section again for something new and exciting *sigh*

dyetheskin said:
Is it me or do these devices get boring after awhile? I'm thinking about intentionally bricking my Tilt and restoring it just so I have something to do with it. Pretty pathetic I know. Nothing new or innovative has been released for it yet.
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Try getting an xbox360/college course/woman/life to play with :-D

Infuruno said:
yeah so true
Sometimes i flash a random rom to 'try it' then eventually flash back to the previous only to spend the day setting it up when im done after a few hours i find myself looking through the rom section again for something new and exciting *sigh*
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Ahhhh, I find myself doing the same thing. Just trying to make the stupid little things work on different roms only to come back to one that I loved a month ago.

HTC should never have started using Qualcomm hardware.
Wonder if there's a contract between them and how long it'll last

Yes it is true! But if it wasn't for XDA, I wouldn't have known any better and would have stuck with the preinstalled apps, lived a dull life, not got to pick on iPhone users, gone through the NOOB hazing, Etc.

debully said:
Try getting an xbox360/college course/woman/life to play with :-D
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already own a 360, already have a wife, and i mess with the phone when i'm bored at work thank you very much

why not just look at stupid youtube videos all day. That's never boring.

youtube sucks,luckily that flashvideobundle shows other sites compatible. i personally like vtap,quicker searches and does more than searching youtube

cmon HTC, release the drivers as a birthday present for me LOL

It's human nature! We just get bored after some period of use; not just HTC but every gadgets or anything.
What do you think is the reason, why we have so much of divorces?

lemonanisaki said:
It's human nature! We just get bored after some period of use; not just HTC but every gadgets or anything.
What do you think is the reason, why we have so much of divorces?
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Or so much Wars...

boring phone ?
ahh,but do you actualy still enjoy using htc,or are all the little niggles getting to you ?
after 4 years still liked the way my old sony p910i felt,i.e button feel,scroll wheel/rocker etc... wonderful grapics,not bad sound
enjoyed old lucas games on p910i,monkey island,samNmax etc
not on kaiser...bluetooth sound ??and with no hope of video drivers,and pretty awful support from htc all round,kaiser will probably be first and last htc.. dull little phone,makes goodish modem for kids pc....
anybody with a briefcase full of spare cash,donations to my sony xperia begging fund will gratefuly accepted !!!
(yes i know it will be made by htc,but vw build bentleys )

Try operating it with your other hand. It will seem like a new device.

rienzi said:
Try operating it with your other hand. It will seem like a new device.
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Good tip- it may just work!

Buy new apps!
Find an app that manages/enhances your hobby or day to day tasks.

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Try operating it with your other hand. It will seem like a new device.
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I hear this device when I was a teenager from a friend only it was about............. Never mind.
gqstatus0685 said:
why not just look at stupid youtube videos all day. That's never boring.
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Case and Point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kib05Ip6GSo

How many years do I have to wait b4 I get my true "do it all" device?
I was reading about Sharp's new Willcom D4 UMPC today and thinking damn - it's kinda like my tilt - and an actuall real computer!
getting closer!!!
but I want it to make phone calls - not skype.....but driving cross country through the boonies traditional cell phone roaming cell phone service.
and I want 3g, gps, wifi and hell....a 5 megapixel decent looking camera/video.....and def @ least 8 full use hours (streaming video via wifi with the audio sent to my bluetooth headphones hours)
Also I'd like a nice cradle like the oqo for home/office use on traditional moniter/keyboard/mouse.
And of course it's gotta fit in my [email protected] least in the cargo pants pocket size
I know its gunna be a while....but how long u guys think?
5 years for my true do it all perfect device? I guess I'll have to wait - but Id quickly drop 2-3 grand on it today....if only it existed.
(does Microsoft want this device to exist today? is there a purpose for windows mobile when this device comes out? Is microsoft the reason for the "seperation" of the 2 OS's of the htc shift? why can't they communicate between each other fluently? why cant I make a traditional (non skype) phone call on the xp side of this device? - The everun seems to be able to do it though. - I know the technology is not quite yet here to get all these features in a pocketable device - but were soooooooo close it seems)
/dreaming of running cubase (music production software)/photoshop/etc. etc. @ work instead of just attempting to read engadget on a wannabe browser (my current fav is skyfire or opera.....but both leave me wanting more) on my pocketable (tilt) "do it all" device
/dreams and crazy glues an oqo to the back of my att tilt and puts a car battery in my backpack

Be Fair to The Diamond!

I have been reading in this forum ,and many other sites about the Diamond and one would think that this is the worst device ever created.I have one and have been using it for about a week ,I got it as a replacement to the Kaiser and I think that it is a worthy replacement.It can do everything the Kaiser did ,I got used to the keyboard.No device is perfect but I think that all the minor problems are being overblown.
i am using 3dTF without any tweaking and it is working well.
My only comment would be maybe that the battery life is not so great.

I think the Touch Diamond is better than any other device currently available, and it will be for the forseeable future. I suppose people just have different opinions. However, if they don't like the way HTC is going, it makes you wonder why they're using these forums...

But for the £450/$900 you've probably paid out, wouldn't you expect no problems? Or maybe not no problems, but the battery is pretty poor from what I hear, and thats a pretty major concern to me.
But fair enough if you can deal with it, as you say, it's a personal thing.
Rory

I think the niggling problems will be fixed in rom updates anyway.. especially once its released on loads of operators, i think we'll see alot of rom versions around.
Its actually the first phone i can see myself keeping for more than a year.

rorydaredkign said:
But for the £450/$900 you've probably paid out, wouldn't you expect no problems? Or maybe not no problems, but the battery is pretty poor from what I hear, and thats a pretty major concern to me.
Rory
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The thing is that all of the problems that people talk about are problems that I've never lived without or that I can easily cope with. Poor battery? I've always charged overnight anyway. Laggy interface? TouchFLO was laggy too. Random things happening? I'd bet that my Sendo M550 did more random things more often.
Don't forget that, until a year ago, I was still using my Sendo M550 on a daily basis.

Must say that after 2 days of owning my diamond I am hugely impressed - it does everything I want and more - sure, if you are a heavy user and you are going to be away from an electricity supply for more than 12 hours you will have a problem, beyond that I don't see any issues!

I am absolutely ecstatic with my Diamond. I've had it for a couple weeks now and it is by far the best phone I've ever had. Honestly, I think some people just like to *****. A lot of the real complainers have never even used one, and for those that have - I don't know what the hell they've BEEN using that they expect such perfection out of the Diamond.
I think also that a lot of people just don't even understand the concept of mass appeal. If the phone doesn't work exactly the way THEY want it to work then the phone must SUCK.
It's particularly interesting to me because I see the same attitudes in the anti-PC/pro-MAC crowd. I think a lot of people just don't understand the value in a flexible, customizable device. The things that I love about WinMo are the very things others complain about. I like that I can tweak the registry to adjust the touch sensitivity to my preference. Or the flow of animations, etc.
Others expect it to work precisely the way that is best for them out of the gate and don't want to have to tweak it, but they don't seem to consider the reality of the fact that they aren't the only person in the world, and manufacturers have to design products that work for the greates number of users out there...

you can also can read this (sorry for self promoting) but is good to read something good about diamond:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2315506#post2315506

How can I be positive about the device which sucks my battery within 8 hours (as if the GPS was still on) or where I cannot simply remap stupid Home button to Start Menu which I am deeply used to without any weird 3rd party tools like AE Button Plus etc etc... so far this is my first and last htc unless the major issues are fixed. TF3D? Removed, not impressed... I got this for work and not for fancy show-outs in a pub :/
Edit - also forgot about the cathastrophical speaker quality (not the one used in a call, the "loud" one) - my grandma's phone rings better...

czbird - you are clearly unhappy with your purchase - why don't you return it/ sell it and look for something that will be more suitable for your needs?

czbird said:
How can I be positive about the device which sucks my battery within 8 hours (as if the GPS was still on) or where I cannot simply remap stupid Home button to Start Menu which I am deeply used to without any weird 3rd party tools like AE Button Plus etc etc... so far this is my first and last htc unless the major issues are fixed. TF3D? Removed, not impressed... I got this for work and not for fancy show-outs in a pub :/
Edit - also forgot about the cathastrophical speaker quality (not the one used in a call, the "loud" one) - my grandma's phone rings better...
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The power in phones like this are precisely that you CAN do what you want via 3rd party tools. If you want everything to work the way that is best for you (and who really cares about the rest of the buyers, right?), just start your own phone company.

OK, taken into extreme - how'd you like to have to install some crappy freeware to scroll through your contacts? Some features are simply supposed to be built-in
This ain't my first PDA, no need for teaching.

czbird said:
OK, taken into extreme - how'd you like to have to install some crappy freeware to scroll through your contacts? Some features are simply supposed to be built-in
This ain't my first PDA, no need for teaching.
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Well... I recall going through quite a few freeware apps, and even some trial versions of purchase software, to scroll through my contacts in the way I wanted to scroll through them (i.e. with my finger w/ kinetic scrolling instead of the tap tap tap of my stylus). It's not like your Home button doesn't work - it doesn't work the way YOU want it to. And that's what 3rd party apps are for.

Still misunderstood - I was used to assign special functions to the buttons only by tweaking the scan code settings in the registry, now the problem with the Diamond is, that it ignores whatever I try to set up the key to, as there are some htc handlers which deal with these keys. Now these have to be overriden by another keyboard handlers which will finally give me the possibility to change the key behavior. This way is quite complicated, annoying to set up, and the extra software also unnecessarily eats device resources...

czbird said:
I got this for work and not for fancy show-outs in a pub :/
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The Touch Pro is the business-equivalent of the Diamond. You've got the PPC world's equivalent of a Ferrari, and you're trying to use it like a tractor. The Diamond was designed with the pub in mind...

Well put Dark Fire.

Surely its primary use is as a business phone, if you want a phone to pull out in the pub, you get one everyone knows is amazing like the N96 (when released), or stupidly the iPhone.
Nobody knows what the Diamond is, unless you know about PPC's.
Rory

hate all this futile winning! if you bought it and u are not happy with it send it back! stop complaining! yes, it's not perfect but i don't dare to think how would you react after buying an iPhone.
i don't get it. ppl come here to ask (sometimes stupid) questions BEFORE they buy a diamond. i can't stand that they came back after buying it and keep complaining.
look at all the ppl here that are learning one from each other, look and read about the already new ROM and all the tweaks. try some. take yr balls in you hand, accept the risk of bricking it and flash it!! than come back and tell us how you made it or why you didn't. be useful! nobody is interested in yr complains.
i begin to think that three are only 2 ways with diamond: love it or hate it!

rorydaredkign said:
Surely its primary use is as a business phone, if you want a phone to pull out in the pub, you get one everyone knows is amazing like the N96 (when released), or stupidly the iPhone.
Nobody knows what the Diamond is, unless you know about PPC's.
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More of the people that I know, know about the Touch Diamond than the N96 (probably my fault). TBH, the only reason I know about the N96 is because one of my friends has the N95. And as I've said before, most people I know think that people with an iPhone are retards.
The HTC Touch Diamond is perfectly designed for the pub - it's amazing, and rare, so you can show it off to satisfy people's curiosity instead of just showing it off to look cool (which makes you look sad). Also, as the Touch Diamond is not well known, it's less likely to be stolen (wouldn't you rather go for an iPhone than a random phone you've never heard of, with unknown specs?). Also, the Touch Diamond has a distinctive design, so your mates at the pub will be more likely remember the device and associate you with it.
Also, as it has been shown before, business people generally like keyboards and the general public generally hate keyboards. Therefore the Touch Diamond is not a business device. Business people also prefer complex UIs, which can show all of their calendar events (or fulfil any other random but important business requirements) - simplified stylish UIs are just not normally suitable for business...but they can still be appreciated after several pints of Magners.

Normal users dont use the calendar on their phone. They dont use the web browser, then done have tasks, all they use it for is calls, texts and entertainment.
And, saying its been proved that normal users don't like keyboards is total crap, we have however proved that almost every phone ever released has a keyboard of some type, so theyre used to it.
Plus, I bet the Diamond as its network branded variants will be in the Business type section of all the stores and brochures, much like the Touch, Dual and Cruise were.

HTC failed with diamond ?

Hello : i bought the new Diamomd.
Its a complete desapoitment : Its slow , after on week start to lose ink in the front , the back already have scratches... I never drop the phone... its just the use in the pocket.
Its very hot in when the calls have more than five minutes , if gps is used it can be used to cook too !
btw - The batery is riculous....
I read in the foruns that this kind of problems afect all buyers , with the exception of losing ink in the front... , this is not a faulty unit , is a FAULTY PRODUCT !

Don't want to start a flame or contest your facts, but I beg to disagree.
After a week I'm still in love with it, and that's saying something

You love the design ? Ou the funcionality ?
I need a phone / pda to work , not a gadget.
The quality of the materials used in the casing for a gadeget with this price is BAD
What rom are you using ?

Bring yours back for warranty. Mine came out of the box fine. Not slow either in my opinion, even after booting several programms. And yes the battery will be drained quickly and will get hot the first few times you charge it. After that batterylife should get better and it shouldnt get hot anymore either.

I disagree as well, ive had my Diamond for about a week now...and ive had it in my pocket and mine hasnt scratched nor has the finish started to peel or come off.
As for the diamond itself...have you applied the tweaks in the sticky above??. Before i applied those tweaks i really thought it was terrible, the diamond that was but after i applied the tweaks...i fall more and more in love with the Diamond each day...sure it has a few problems still but thats due to WM...memory leakage amongst one and the poor battery capacity on such a device.
Other than those 2 issues i love the Diamond and couldnt be without it now.

i even dropped, twice! no scratches, no peeling. using a screen protection already changed the ROM, twice...better ROMs still to come
. shortly: another satisfied client of HTC!

galinha .. R U on drugs or something ?
I am used to change my phone every 4months or so ( kind of hobby)
and trust me when I say ,this is a good piece of phone !
It's been a week I am having it now and I dont regret any cent I spent on it ...

galinha said:
You love the design ? Ou the funcionality ?
I need a phone / pda to work , not a gadget.
The quality of the materials used in the casing for a gadeget with this price is BAD
What rom are you using ?
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If you did not want a gadget why did you bought this phone in the first place? if you want a business pda buy a HP or something. I used this phone for almost 2 and a half week now and with the latest ROM everything works perfect! I have it in my pocket all the time, every day.. no scratches at all! Ok it gets oh but not so hot you can't hold it anymore.. And the speed, well it may not be the fastest phone around, but did you ever try a Nokia? same price or more expensive, no VGA screen and Symbian! No I LOVE my Diamond..
Just my two cents (sponsored by HTC)

pammoun said:
galinha .. R U on drugs or something ?
I am used to change my phone every 4months or so ( kind of hobby)
and trust me when I say ,this is a good piece of phone !
It's been a week I am having it now and I dont regret any cent I spent on it ...
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Please dont be ofensive..be clear on topic.
For me this a personal ofense saying that im on drugs , i ask the moderator to give me the details of this user !

i should say that he is not totally wrong mine too is slow even after the Tweaks !
Only the main menu is faster but for each appllication , calling contacats, change settings , making photos, open files the phone is so slow comapred to my old dual touch ..
I hope a new rom will come out fast!

Another useless thread...
HastaSSSS

rvbcrs said:
If you did not want a gadget why did you bought this phone in the first place? if you want a business pda buy a HP or something. I used this phone for almost 2 and a half week now and with the latest ROM everything works perfect! I have it in my pocket all the time, every day.. no scratches at all! Ok it gets oh but not so hot you can't hold it anymore.. And the speed, well it may not be the fastest phone around, but did you ever try a Nokia? same price or more expensive, no VGA screen and Symbian! No I LOVE my Diamond..
Just my two cents (sponsored by HTC)
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...its makes me laugh when someone posts a thread about how much they hate a phone or a particular product...i really dont see the point of doing such a thing.
I mean ive had plenty of issues with previous phones and products but i wont make a thread saying how much i dislike it. Of course ill say if the phone is good or not...if it isnt then id say..look i dont like it, i couldnt get on with it etc etc and leave it at that.
I'll be honest last weekend i got the phone and i wasnt that impressed with the phone...yes it looks lovely but the performance was an issue as well as the battery but after applying those tweaks...its been near enough perfect. Im not under the impression that it was going to be the end all and be all of all phones. I know for a fact that the SE Xperia X1 will have its own set of issues. But places like XDA give us end users the chance to rectify alot of these issues. Anyone who uses a WM device know about XDA...its their first stop for them if they have any issues. If it wasnt for this place then i wouldnt even consider a WM device let alone own one.

s1rl4ncel0t said:
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not useless! I was looking forward to the Diamond for months now because I really need a replacement for my current PDA + Cell Phone setup. And I thought that Windows Mobile 6.1 would be much much better then 2003 SE (as I have now on my Axim X50v).
But seeing how many people are not satisfied with their HTC Diamond and what's even worse, how many people have technical problems with it I decided not to order it - at least for now.
I don't need a phone which I have to charge every few hours, I thought my Axim was bad, but this phone sounds even worse. And I don't have the time to make use of all those tweaks - why can't they configure the phone properbly in the factory?
And by now I thought that those devices should have fast enough hardware to not make you wait for your phone all the time.
I don't really want to start a discussion between the Iphone and the Diamond (I bet there have been enough around already) but the Iphone has more then double of standby / talk time, for a smartphone it's power is quite good and the applications don't take long to load or stutter. And most of all, it just works, out of the box. No need to use custom hacks or roms.
That's really dissapointing, I was looking forward to the Diamond so much...

Spawn12 said:
But places like XDA give us end users the chance to rectify alot of these issues. Anyone who uses a WM device know about XDA...its their first stop for them if they have any issues. If it wasnt for this place then i wouldnt even consider a WM device let alone own one.
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I heard of this site for the first time today, and only by accident. And I have been using a WM 2003 device for mhm like 4 years now? Well it's not a phone but still...
But don't you think it's horrible that you even need a special website with tweaks and hacks to get your 'phone' working?
Next week I need to spend 10 hours surfing the net to find hints on how to make my refrigerator effiecent because the manufacturer wasn't able to do it himself? - Really I think this is a wrong trend.

If you dont like it, send it back, simple as pie.

falc410 said:
Next week I need to spend 10 hours surfing the net to find hints on how to make my refrigerator effiecent because the manufacturer wasn't able to do it himself? - Really I think this is a wrong trend.
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Yes, this phone works - xda just makes it work better. Back in college I used to repair refrigerators and while your refrigerator is working, I would bet it is not working as good as it could be. The point is, there are a lot of people willing to make their phones better and we benefit from that here at xda.
I really hated to respond to this useless thread, why do you even post if your not here to help? Spend your time writing HTC instead.

falc410 said:
I heard of this site for the first time today, and only by accident. And I have been using a WM 2003 device for mhm like 4 years now? Well it's not a phone but still...
But don't you think it's horrible that you even need a special website with tweaks and hacks to get your 'phone' working?
Next week I need to spend 10 hours surfing the net to find hints on how to make my refrigerator effiecent because the manufacturer wasn't able to do it himself? - Really I think this is a wrong trend.
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Horrible lol....not in the slightest...its not only XDA that are around but you my-symbian for symbian phones...so why do you think its horrible that there are places like this around to help us end users get the best out of our devices??.
Fine there are technical problems with the Diamond...you can blame HTC or M$ for those problems but at least places like this ensure that the phones are running better than they were out of the box so to speak. Plus if it wasnt for these places then how would we know about certain tweaks...again other phones ie symbian phones have forums littered all over the place with people passing info around.
If you find this place so horrible then i question the need for you to be here.
The funniest thing is people expected this phone to be the best device EVER!!!!111!!!. Fine thats marketing for you but i dont buy into all the bull**** to be honest, its sad that people actually bought into all that marketing hype lol...i havent come across a phone in my many yrs of using mobile devices that is perfect especially ones that allow you to do so many things ie browse the net, check emails, take pics, use gps navigation....you get my drift.
Like i said earlier i took a good few weeks reading posts on here about the Diamond and its many problems but it didnt put me off...i bought the device and ive been more than happy with it...if and IF i couldnt get on with it then i would have sent it back for a refund within a few days. Thats the part i dont understand people slate the phone...they have had it a good few weeks...if you dont like it then sell it or send it back and leave us to exchange info between ourselves so we can make the Diamond a better experience for ourselves.

falc410 said:
But seeing how many people are not satisfied with their HTC Diamond
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Ermmm seriously how many people can you say arent satisfied with the Diamond...off the top of my head i can only think of 4 or 5 maybe...so thats not many is it??.
Dont even get me started on the iphone, it doesnt even do the basic function of MMS FFS...which even a £20 phone will do quite easily. Plus the fact that it cant actually multi task...at least with the Diamond i can run a few programs at the same time...fine it isnt exactly the speediest device out there but in time it will only get better. With the iphone you have jailbreak it to out other apps on there...i cant be arsed to do that everytime i want to add something to it. Shame really because ill be honest i was really looking forward to the 3g iphone but not anymore and i know plenty of people who wont buy it now....it just doesnt bring anything new to the iphone other than gps, push email and 3g...massive failure in my books but of course you will have your apple freaks who will buy it because its an apple.

Galinha este pda e perfeito, lol.
This a perfect pda.

I dont own a Diamond yet..
It's going to be my first WM phone,
Have always been with Nokia Series60...
Got excited seeing the Diamond on net while searching for my next phone...
Came across XDA-Developers..
I been reading discussions & problems Diamond Owners are facing everyday..
See daily how Xda helps people solve these problems..
I'm happy..
Still feel there are many reasons to buy the diamond...
Confident that Xda will have solutions for my problems..
GOING TO BUY IT THE DAY IT's AVAILABLE IN INDIA!!!
AND I WONT REGRET BUYING IT....!!!!

An honest question....

I am still within the grace period with my diamond, meaning that I have a few more days with which to give it back to orange should I not be happy, no questions asked.
I have updated the ROM and Radio. This has made the device's UI a pleasure to use! I appreciate how much the Diamond is capable of despite its miniscule size also - particular its excellent Opera browser and screen resolution combo.
However, there are some faults which it seems are non-rectifiable and could cause me problems in the long-run:
weak battery
poor speaker volume and clarity
So my question is this - all things considered, what would YOU do? Would you stick with the Diamond or go for an alternative like the Samsung Omnia or Blackberry Bold. I ask you all because no-one knows more about the Diamond than the people here.
I can understand this is a subjective issue, but your thoughts and recommendations are most welcome.
Thanks,
S.

In hindsight of all of the problems I have been having and the lack of Windows Mobile support these days, to be honest, I would probably ditch it. It pains me to say this, and I expect I will get flamed for it, but I cannot deal with the bugs and lack of performance anymore.
See here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2584550&postcount=5 for my grumbles

consider yourself flamed by a happy diamond user for over 3 month !
i should like to show you my diamond, to drive a few km with iGO8 and to let you listen a few good trance tracks with my BT stereo headphones and coreplayer. i always get up in time with "klaxon". look here for my and others nice pics taken with the badmouthed camera:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2556974&postcount=21

tweak the sh*t out of it and ditch the TF3D lol

KukurikU said:
consider yourself flamed!
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well all of my grumbles are perfectly legitimate - annoying things that spoil my enjoyment of this otherwise fabulous phone. It doesnt look like these issues are even being acknowledged by HTC too..
The thing that probably annoys me the most is that I never had these issues (A2DP not working, alarm not functioning etc) with my original HTC Touch, which is a vastly inferior phone.

darthbane2k said:
In hindsight of all of the problems I have been having and the lack of Windows Mobile support these days, to be honest, I would probably ditch it. It pains me to say this, and I expect I will get flamed for it, but I cannot deal with the bugs and lack of performance anymore.
See here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2584550&postcount=5 for my grumbles
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Only one post for your grumbles, what about all the threads

ljames28 said:
Only one post for your grumbles, what about all the threads
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Instead of the wisecracks, why not suggest ways I can fix the problems I am experiencing with this device... you cant can you? And thats really my problem. You mock me as if I dont have a right to raise these issues, yet I paid good money for a device that now seems is not fit for purpose.
And ditching TF3D is not the answer... TF3D isnt the problem.

KukurikU said:
consider yourself flamed by a happy diamond user for over 3 month !
i should like to show you my diamond, to drive a few km with iGO8 and to let you listen a few good trance tracks with my BT stereo headphones and coreplayer. i always get up in time with "klaxon". look here for my and others nice pics taken with the badmouthed camera:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2556974&postcount=21
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So you claim I am making up all my problems?
Yeah GPS works fine, but you can catagorically state there is no lag by a few metres?
You can catagorically state that the camera produces sharp clear images with no fuss?
You can catagorically state that A2DP doesnt have any bugs and works flawlessly? Like I said, sure you can listen to music using A2DP, but try recieving a call and going back to the music...
Many many people report these same problems - they are bugs, but people like you deny them and continue to claim that the HTC Diamond runs flawlessly. It doesnt.

darthbane2k said:
Instead of the wisecracks, why not suggest ways I can fix the problems I am experiencing with this device... you cant can you? And thats really my problem. You mock me as if I dont have a right to raise these issues, yet I paid good money for a device that now seems is not fit for purpose.
And ditching TF3D is not the answer... TF3D isnt the problem.
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look m8, i really understand yr frustration and i really feel sorry but what else can we advice you except flashing a new cooked ROM and change yr radio (i am using 08 now)?? believe me i sometimes wonder why my diamond does everything yours doesn't? there are many ppl here very happy with this device. how can be this explained? i've read here about very basic flows i can not reproduce on my diamond....
read again my first post here, i edited since you answered. look at the pics! no secret there....pics i took with the diamond.
can you pay me a visit? i gladly take care of yr diamond in 1 hour. no cost (except a 6 pack for both of us).

darthbane2k said:
So you claim I am making up all my problems?
Yeah GPS works fine, but you can catagorically state there is no lag by a few metres?
You can catagorically state that the camera produces sharp clear images with no fuss?
You can catagorically state that A2DP doesnt have any bugs and works flawlessly? Like I said, sure you can listen to music using A2DP, but try recieving a call and going back to the music...
Many many people report these same problems - they are bugs, but people like you deny them and continue to claim that the HTC Diamond runs flawlessly. It doesnt.
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1. no, i do believe you.
2. no lag at all
3. look again at the pics i posted...not so bad for a PDA camera. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2556974&postcount=21
4. yes, a2dp works perfect (with coreplayer, i didn't even try it with the original player).
5. i can speak for myself only: no problem at all, "0", zilch, nada...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415852

Hmm, not sure why this thread has focussed on the camera thus far - that's not a problem imho.
I would like to hear about interface, battery and speaker issues in particular.
Thanks for the responses though!

You've got to be honest with yourself really... what's the most important thing about a phone to you, and can your needs be met with less headache elsewhere?
This was never going to be a phone for everyone, but for me there is nothing else on the market that comes close... why, because I want all the toys in as small a package as possible, if this phone was even a fraction bigger I wouldn't give it a second glance. Indeed, I'd prefer it even smaller, and the diamond is the first phone of the all singing and dancing variety that's finally been made small enough for me to take the plunge. This makes the things about the phone that irritate me rather superfluous... if I can't tweak around it or find a different app, I just live with it or work around it.
Life, along with mobile phones, isn't perfect; compromises have to be made along the way... get your priorities sorted, and one way or another you'll get the answer you require.