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I'm running:
ATT Tilt
Alex's UltraClean v5.WM61.HTC.302.beta2 (3.02.405.0 WWE)
KAISER Radio 1.64.08.21
I've had my Tilt about 8 months, and 3G has finally come to my area and I've got a few questions/problems.
The first (and most important) is that I can't make phone calls while on 3G. On EDGE if I tried it would pop up an error about having a data session and a call session. On 3G it just pretends to connect but never does. It goes to H mode when I've got an active data session. (HSDPA is on.)
The second is why is everyone capped at ~700-900kbit/s? At least I seems that way to me and some of my coworkers. I could have sworn I was in a city once (Richmond) and I was getting ~3200kbit/s.
The last thing is that I haven't been keeping up with ROM development very well. I've been looking for something that has most of the fixes, upgrades, and tweaks but doesn't have anything or hardly anything installed. I like the ATT roms, but I can use the Operator Config if need be. I have UC set up for anything else.
Any comments or suggestions?
sounds like someone needs to introduce you to the search function. The 3G problem was discussed last week so the thread isn't far behind, I have no idea about the cap, and you need to go look at the 50 million roms out there.
Searching for:
"tilt 3g phone call"
"tilt 3g voice and data"
"tilt 3g phone call while data connected"
And any other number of queries didn't produce any results for me. I think I'll browse around general some more, but I'd not seen it mentioned. What query would you use to produce the intended results?
Also, I've browsed around the ROM forums a lot. They're confusing at best. I was hoping someone could make a suggestion off-hand about something they new and liked.
Dutty's Rom
Very rarely will you get a good answer from a senior member on this site. All they say is search. Kind of hard to find a real good answer in a search if it turns up 10000 results. There a lot of helpful people on here but it seems to me that the most likely response will be search...it's out there.
I use Dutty's 6.1 ROM and really like it although I haven't tried any of the others yet.
Not to sure about the 3G cap you are talking about. I didn't notice it in any of the previous posts. I've only been fortunate enough to use 3G in one are so I don't know how it compares with out places. I only average about 750k or so.
Good luck!
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Very rarely will you get a good answer from a senior member on this site. All they say is search. Kind of hard to find a real good answer in a search if it turns up 10000 results. There a lot of helpful people on here but it seems to me that the most likely response will be search...it's out there.
I use Dutty's 6.1 ROM and really like it although I haven't tried any of the others yet.
Not to sure about the 3G cap you are talking about. I didn't notice it in any of the previous posts. I've only been fortunate enough to use 3G in one are so I don't know how it compares with out places. I only average about 750k or so.
Good luck!
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Jebus Pot Smoking Cries. You know why we say Search? It's not because we don't like giving the answer, we don't like giving the same answer over and over and oever. By not searching and creating usless threads it makes the Search results turn up 10000 results.
So don't act like you are better than us. Your only going to make people mad. We say Search, because it is out there. I know I personally, with a few other people, worked hard on formatting the Kaiser FAQ Wiki. If there is something not on there that you would like to be, you can PM me or add it yourself.
Just remember without senior members you wouldn't have Custom ROMs or Diamond Keyboards or HardSPL. So don't act holier then thou, because in the end we are here to foster learning by doing, not feeding by spoon.
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Jebus Pot Smoking Cries. You know why we say Search? It's not because we don't like giving the answer, we don't like giving the same answer over and over and oever. By not searching and creating usless threads it makes the Search results turn up 10000 results.
So don't act like you are better than us. Your only going to make people mad. We say Search, because it is out there. I know I personally, with a few other people, worked hard on formatting the Kaiser FAQ Wiki. If there is something not on there that you would like to be, you can PM me or add it yourself.
Just remember without senior members you wouldn't have Custom ROMs or Diamond Keyboards or HardSPL. So don't act holier then thou, because in the end we are here to foster learning by doing, not feeding by spoon.
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Not at all acting holier then thou. Just stating the obvious. I've found a lot of help here without having to ask any questions. By doing the right thing and searching and browsing but if that fails and you can't find what you are looking for...you come here and ask the question usually the only response from most users are SEARCH...it's out there. Well heck I've already done that...I've asked for help and still don't have a solution. It kind of sucks sometimes for us "newbies".
I've read the FAQ and I've read the GWENI thing just now. No dice on either of my questions. I've also read like the first 5 pages of Kaiser general.
I'm not pleased with the assumption that I didn't or have not searched. I just haven't found. I appreciate people who take the time to do these things and answer questions and catelogue and keep the answers. I just can't find where my answer lives.
I think I'm going to try out the HyperDragon III rom and/or the dutty newest one. But neither of them satisfy my requirement of not being pre installed with other things.
We'll see how they go.
Also: look at the join date, I may not post but I've been around since my 8125 and done a lot of flashing and reading. I've just not found the answer yet so I came to see (directly) if anyone else had.
#1 31-05-2008, 12:12 PM
ericiu
Junior Member Join Date: May 2006
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 9
H --> 3G --> E --> nothing! help!
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So, I've lived in an area with just EDGE and my TyTN II for a year now without probs. I've changed the ROMs after using HardSPL from Olipro, etc. without probs. I went over the weekend to Ft. Lauderdale, which is a 3G area, and my pho
ne went crazy. It first shows an H with full strength... then when I try to make a call, it either won't connect or the signal goes completely dead. Other times if I just watch it, it will switch between H, 3G, E, and even G. Sometimes it'll even lose the signal altogether. What is going on?!? I've tried different radios (1.65.20.29 with WM6.1, 1.27.12.11 WM6.0, etc.) and they all do the same thing.
Interestingly, if I go to phone settings and change my band detection things from Auto to GSM and the data to 4 U.S. GSM frequencies, it goes right to Edge and all phone calls go through fine (but now I don't have 3G/H data)
Any ideas guys?
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Does that sound anything like your problem?
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Not at all acting holier then thou. Just stating the obvious. I've found a lot of help here without having to ask any questions. By doing the right thing and searching and browsing but if that fails and you can't find what you are looking for...you come here and ask the question usually the only response from most users are SEARCH...it's out there. Well heck I've already done that...I've asked for help and still don't have a solution. It kind of sucks sometimes for us "newbies".
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whoa whoa whoa, listen here friend. None of us really has a problem with people doing the searchs and coming back for help (if they really did search), it's when people really don't search or search for a few minutes that makes us say that.
If I can search the problem and find it within 5 minutes, I'll say go search.
See what I'm sayn.
ChumleyEX said:
Does that sound anything like your problem?
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Nope
My problem is that I can make a call OR I can browse the internet. I can't / couldn't do both.
I'm now using :
ROM: Hyperdragon IIIm
Radio: 1.63.16.25
And I can do 3G internet and phone calls. The new rom is... decent for now. Its not as responsive as I'd like but it has the new D3D stuff built in to it. I'd really like to know what the root cause of my problem was. For now I'll settle with this as the fix.
Also, nobody else had data rate cap stuff with AT&T?
... and I must say I'm pretty impressed. Unlike what appears to be general consensus, I'm pretty much sold on Touchflo 3D, bút I still have some problems and questions some might be able to answer. Some of the questions I know are still unanswerable, some have already been answered, but I'm just writing them down for completeness. The ones that have been answered have been edited in for future reference.
- Can Opera be removed or can the Browser globe on the Internet page of TF3D be linked to Internet Explorer?
According to KukurikU, the answer to this question remains no for now. Probably, a modified ROM can change this behaviour. NChief says that using Opera some more would be a better idea, as he feels its a more capable browser.
- Can the background of TF3D be changed on all pages, instead of only the Home screen?
Not yet. This might be in future updates.
- Can we add custom cities to the TF3D Weather application?
No, according to a thread about this question, for now it appears HTC is using a DNS referral to forward our weather inquiries to AccuWeather in a special layout. Using any city in this script that is not listed in the normal list yields no result as the whole thing just reverts.
- Can you set the SMS/E-mail pages in TF3D to only display unread SMS/E-mail?
Not yet. This might be an option when TouchFlo 3D is more heavily modded.
- Can I have the battery indicator show at the top of the screen while TF3D is running?
According to most people, it should already be there. Sadly, it is not for me. I'll investigate this some more to find out if there is a particular reason for this.
- Can anyone tell me whether the bottom USB connector on the Diamond is a modified 5-pin USB mini connector, and whether such a plug can be used to charge the phone (in case I lose my original powercable).
Again, according to KukurikU, the original cable is a modified 5 pins mini-USB adapter, I'm going to take the guess that the remaining pins are used for audio/feedback purposes.
- What are generally accepted must-have games, and generally accepted must-have applications for WM6 / Diamond?
Sadly, KukurikU felt he was not intelligent enough to answer this question. Until now, I've found that Advanced Configuration is one handy utility to have (especially in combination with the quite useful tweaks topic), and that alternate GPS software (ie besides Google Maps) is much lighter on the battery.
I also have some remarks and comments:
- Hard-SPL Dev + TLR's ROM are on my Diamond and they're great improvements. They stopped me from returning my Dutch, crippled ROM without handwriting support, slow, laggy stuff.
- Overall impressed. Good battery-life, fast, responsive, uncluttered, very broad range of possibilities, wow.
In case I asked any stupid questions: yes, I'm new. Sue me.
Why, I'm glad to see so many enthusiastic replies . Let me add another question then:
- Is it possible to minimize TT7 while still having it use the voices to indicate the route (ie. to listen music and TT7 at the same time), and if not, does another navigation program support this?
It appears this should be possible, and in some cases I find it does work, in some cases it doesn't. If I find out what way to get both running is best, I'll edit it in.
- Learn to use opera and you will notice that it's WAY better than IE
- The background can not be changed on all TF3D pages (yet?)
- You can not add custom cityes to the TF3D Weather application
- I have learnd that I can use any mini-USB cabel for chargeing(don't think its recomended tho)
That's the questions I can answer, hope I got them right.
btw, try searching the forum
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Why, I'm glad to see so many enthusiastic replies
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Many of your questions have been asked and answered a thousand times over. Perhaps people have got sick of answering the same question to people too lazy to read what has already been written?
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Many of your questions have been asked and answered a thousand times over. Perhaps people have got sick of answering the same question to people too lazy to read what has already been written?
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I already stated in the first post that many of these have already been answered, but that I'm listing them for completeness. Please, if you want to point the finger at anyone not reading, please point it at yourself. Especially for you, I've been so free to bolden the text I'm referring to in my first post.
Besides that, I must say the search function on this forum is pretty useless - thanks to people posting those same questions over and over. For one of my questions, I ended up going back to page 13. I'm glad this forum is so inviting to people with questions, I mean, after all, a forum is not for asking things, is it now? Of course not, that would be absurd. Especially seeing that to find the answers to some of these questions, you have to spend almost an hour digging through multi-page threads in a 50-page topic list. It would be extremely hard to answer those questions for someone who knows the answer to these, I know, but honestly, I take it someone can put in the heroic and epic effort to at least try? Now, if there were a sticky with questions answered too often, that'd be a first step in the good direction. A bit like the, may I add, excellent list of tweaks. Do you hear anyone ask for tweaks besides in that topic? Of course not, there's a practical resource for going through that.
Nevertheless, I would like the answers on the questions not answered yet. There are at least three I know have not been answered yet, or of which I could not find the answer. At least, thanks for the ironic reply.
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Why, I'm glad to see so many enthusiastic replies . Let me add another question then:
- Is it possible to minimize TT7 while still having it use the voices to indicate the route (ie. to listen music and TT7 at the same time), and if not, does another navigation program support this?
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you are funny (not going to say ridiculous).
maybe you don't get answers because your questions are not of so great importance? ... games, applications, tt7 voices (is this a navigation programs forum? and btw, in igo8 this is an option of the program and not of the pda)? and so on...
Can I have the battery indicator show at the top of the screen while TF3D is running?
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this is a good example of life-death question. here is an answer: you should have it all the time, it is already there! duh!? look again...
i think you didn't notice that the great majority of posters here are fighting with really technical issues or waiting for help in critical issues, not to mention the ones that are developing tools and applications to make our diamond more reliable and fast. the forum is full with "after 1 week", "i have it for 2 weeks" complains and reviews. don't want to be mean or sarcastic (and it is hard for me not to) but could wait a little more or search a little more here and in other places?
I agree with tha-rami, the search function doesn't always provide the results you want and this is a forum i.e. a medium for a free and open exchange of views. Yes, a search is most peoples' first option but I for one simply don't have the time to spend hours and hours trawling through each page and topic.
Have a little patience and don't assume that a poster hasn't searched - two days ago the search function didn't work at all for me. If you can't be constructive in a reply then you have to question why you're replying at all!
Regards
Skier641
tha_rami said:
Why, I'm glad to see so many enthusiastic replies . Let me add another question then:
- Is it possible to minimize TT7 while still having it use the voices to indicate the route (ie. to listen music and TT7 at the same time), and if not, does another navigation program support this?
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On my previous Touch and Touch Dual and also Ameo devices ive had Tom Tom Navigator 6 minimised with music playing and the Voice directions have still worked.
I have John Cleese as the Voice on my device and its great listening to him chatting all over some dance music! hehe!
Regarding the custom city in Weather, see this thread... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397599
I agree with both sides of the argument.
It took me a few seconds to search for Custom City part of the Forum, but ive also had problems searching for items.
It would be nice if there was a thread started, that literally was edited and updated with all the common questions. (I suppose thats what the Wiki's for, but i never look at it as its never usually up to date) no other posts were added just 1 long 1st post that had a list of all the useful threads in it and what they were.
It can be hard trawling through many pages of threads trying to find what you want, but in my experience its worth it! Some of the replys to people asking questions can be a bit sarcastic tho...
eg
Search the Forum
Try Searching
or
Have you thought about Clicking on Search?
But i understand where these people are coming from, they have all searched through the forums and looked for what they want. Maybe it does take a little longer but im hoping that moderators will begin to tidy things up on here as there are alot of duplicate posts and information.
I think maybe the Forum should have a "Diamond Reviews" or "Reviews and Experiences" section added in. That way all the people that want to voice their opinions can do in their own part of the forum, plus this will free up some of the General Diamond discussions. Just an idea, please dont flame me for my opinion.
Anyway, I agree that XDA Developers is an excellent source of information for all things Diamond. All good! Glad its here and glad there are so many helpful people on here. Nice one!
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I already stated in the first post that many of these have already been answered, but that I'm listing them for completeness.
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If you already knew the answers and were really interested in "posting for completeness", you'd have posted the answers too. More to the point, how exactly is the community here best served by posting the same old questions yet again, under yet another post with a completely nondescript title?
tha_rami said:
Besides that, I must say the search function on this forum is pretty useless
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Someone should come up with some internet service dedicated to searching this big ol-internet thingy we've got going on. they could call it "Google" or "Live Search". Something like that. They can even limit your search to just the site you want!
tha_rami said:
thanks to people posting those same questions over and over.
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LMAO!!! So you admit yourself that the search becomes useless because of people posting the same damn questions over and over - and to fix this... you post the same damn questions again! Nice logic you got going on there.
tha_rami said:
For one of my questions, I ended up going back to page 13.
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Oh no. Thanks to your and your kind you had to go through the monumental effort of going back a whole 13 pages??? Firstly, stop posting these kinds of pointless posts and maybe you'll only have to go back 3 pages. And if even that's too much, those fancy interweb search engines should still ease your troubled journey.
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I'm glad this forum is so inviting to people with questions, I mean, after all, a forum is not for asking things, is it now?
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Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now? Is it now?
I just asked your question several times. How did that help more than asking it just once? Most people don't have a problem with genuine questions. The same questions ad nauseum just wastes everyone's time though. you admit that yourself with your "i had to go to page 13!!!" rant.
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Especially seeing that to find the answers to some of these questions, you have to spend almost an hour digging through multi-page threads in a 50-page topic list.
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Again, your own fault, and those good search facilities help. they'd help even more if your thread had a meaningful title that was actually related to the question!
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I take it someone can put in the heroic and epic effort to at least try?
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So the smart people are supposed to put in a heroic effort to answer every single one of your questions, but you can't put in a heroic effort to search? Figures.
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Now, if there were a sticky with questions answered too often, that'd be a first step in the good direction.
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You should have started one instead of posting this nonsense.
tha_rami said:
A bit like the, may I add, excellent list of tweaks. Do you hear anyone ask for tweaks besides in that topic? Of course not
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Hahaha. Right. Actually, you're wrong there.
lol! and i thought i am evil!? i am angel!
mr_ray, you are my hero!
pity, you wasted yr time and i may say yr literally talent....the spammers are stubborn, they don't quit easily.. they want their answers to their useless (i didn't say stupid) posts and they insist they have the right to pest this place.
you can explain to them, you can beg, you can ridicule them you even can insult .....no results..they'll never quit.
they just don't get it. they don't know that there are rules or maybe they know but don't give a f...
The arrogance is outstanding! There are just three sub-forums here for the Diamond so if you super smart phone geeks want to have your own sub-forum I suggest you start one - 'uber geek' or similar. This is a forum as previously stated and some seem to spend a great deal of time putting an individual down rather than pointing them in the right direction. Don't mention the search facility, it's poor. This evening I searched for 'GPS latitude' (I wanted to see if I could get raw lat & long without installing TomTom, Co-pilot or something similar). The result of the search pointed me to a thread of multiple pages - I got to page 13 before I gave up without any mention of anything relevant.
I give up quite a bit of my time suporting people via the Microsoft newsgroups for Vista, Outlook and wireless networks in the full knowledge that most posters don't have the knowledge that I do in these areas but, not once have I arbitarily decided that I'm smarter than them. No doubt in some cases I will be and in some cases I won't. But for your information, if qualifications are any measure of 'smartness' (and they're not!), I have a Bachelors and two Masters degrees and the next time your aircraft takes off late flying you to wherever it might just be because I'm searching a forum for the umpteenth hour.
Relax and help others, you may find that others will help you one day!
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Skier641
- Can Opera be removed or can the Browser globe on the Internet page of TF3D be linked to Internet Explorer?
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not yet
- Can the background of TF3D be changed on all pages, instead of only the Home screen?
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not yet
- Can we add custom cities to the TF3D Weather application?
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most certainly not
- Can you set the SMS/E-mail pages in TF3D to only display unread SMS/E-mail?
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no
- Can I have the battery indicator show at the top of the screen while TF3D is running?
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you already have it.
- Can anyone tell me whether the bottom USB connector on the Diamond is a modified 5-pin USB mini connector, and whether such a plug can be used to charge the phone (in case I lose my original powercable).
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it the most common usb cable. charging yr diamond this way is going to heat it a little bit. i recommend the original wall charger.
- What are generally accepted must-have games, and generally accepted must-have applications for WM6 / Diamond?
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lost at this one. i think only somebody with two masters can answer you to that. i only have a bachelor degree and only one master (electrical engineering...geek).
try and convince sky641 to answer you to that. he loves you and ppl like you no, wait, he is one of you. he didn't bother to answer to none of yr highly challenging questions but he did join you in complaining about the search feature and he keeps defending yr right to post..whatever you post.
now i hope that no plane is going to take off late....
signed,
a defeated, broken but relaxed ubergeek
regards
P.S.
i am and i was relaxed. staying in front my pc and reading posts like this one is more relaxing than watching a George Carlin show. Just laughing my a...off.
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you already have it.
it the most common usb cable. charging yr diamond this way is going to heat it a little bit. i recommend the original wall charger.
lost at this one. i think only somebody with two masters can answer you to that. i only have a bachelor degree and only one master (electrical engineering...geek).
try and convince sky641 to answer you to that. he loves you and ppl like you no, wait, he is one of you. he didn't bother to answer to none of yr highly challenging questions but he did join you in complaining about the search feature and he keeps defending yr right to post..whatever you post.
now i hope that no plane is going to take off late....
signed,
a defeated, broken but relaxed ubergeek
regards
P.S.
i am and i was relaxed. staying in front my pc and reading posts like this one is more relaxing than watching a George Carlin show. Just laughing my a...off.
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Why, thank you. I'm not even going to reply further to Mr Ray, as I've had quite some fun reading his reply. He seems to indeed be quite literal, and he appears very good at ignoring the very cause of a forum and for indeed seems to love using that to put 40 minutes into trying to make fun out of someone (which ended up in a fail, although I did chuckle at the "Is it now?" thing, which was, admittedly, rather funny). Now, you, you are pretty horrible as well, but luckily, you posted some answers.
I'm glad to see people agree with me, and I know why. I know that they know that even Mr Ray and you both started one day by asking a question here. I know that most likely, you've been treated the exact same way, or that you were so lucky running into a normal person who has more to do than wasting 40 minutes putting someone down. Well, try someone else for that, I usually just skip those posts.
Oddly, I have a problem with one of the questions - and the problem is: there is no battery indicator, and if there were, why in gods or any deity's name would I ask for it? I'm using TLR's ROM 1 on a Dutch Diamond. I play to flash it to TLR's ROM 2 as soon as I get Outlook on this PC to at least not lose my contacts, and will report whether or not it shows up then.
Glad to know that the battery charger is indeed an USB 5-pin connector. Also glad to know that there are sane people around. I was thinking of spending some more time on these forums, and seeing that the most active posters around seem to be half-intelligent morons that spend days lurking for threads that contains anything they can flame (a common problem amongst the more 'elite' users of forums, of whom some feel they're too important to waste time reading topic-titles of subcritical questions, but feel new people should click through all 50 pages to find an answer tucked away on page 27 of the topic because the search engine in vBulletin forums sucks big time. I studied some internet- and social psychology, no master in that, though), I think I actually should may I find some spare time. There are probably lots of people around with subimportant questions and the best way to help them, is to help them.
Luckily, there are people like Skier641 around, people who maybe do not know the answer, but do voice their opinion against those of the 'elite' who feel they're exactly that, effectively rendering them useless to both community and forum. Luckily, my questions have been answered rather satisfactory. I'll edit the answers into my first post for further reference. Maybe, some day, the search engine will actually work and yield someone this thread, after which they can quickly and easily find the answers on page 1.
I'm spending too much time on this. For your information, this took 6 minutes to write. I hope that Mr Ray and whatever-his-name-was-again are having 20 minutes of great fun using their reverse psychology on this subject. It's amazing how most likely, they'll spend tens of minutes writing a witty reply to this one, instead of taking the five minutes it would've taken to answer my questions. Or maybe, after I posted that line, they'll act smart and reply in one line. Alternatively, after that line, they may not post at all.
That makes 7 minutes.
I've done some searching but found nothing... I'm wondering if there is a tweak, or some sort of application, that will bug me every minutes when I while I have voicemail or a missed call?
Yes there is. It's called Windows Mobile.
This seems to be want you need:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405071&highlight=OS+Remind
Why does everyone have to be a smart-A$$ around here? Could you be more specific re: "Its called Windows Mobile". Obviously if I knew about some configuration, etc, I wouldn't be asking the question.
I've noticed this trend a lot on these forums. People genuinely asking for assistance, and they get snubbed a lot. This isn't cool.
many thanks anoano, looks like a handy app that I otherwise would not have searched for
also consider Spb Phone Suite
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Why does everyone have to be a smart-A$$ around here? Could you be more specific re: "Its called Windows Mobile". Obviously if I knew about some configuration, etc, I wouldn't be asking the question.
I've noticed this trend a lot on these forums. People genuinely asking for assistance, and they get snubbed a lot. This isn't cool.
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Everyone? It's a generality, don't you need to differentiate?
In this reply http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2424814&postcount=3 I sent you a proposal.
On this forum, lots of members and myself received a lot of help.
i dont know why people have to be so f**** rude in here. "use the damn search and etc" all we asking for is for f**** help, i know we have to use the "SEARCH" but damn f***! if you don't feel like helping someone, just shut the f*** up and dont say anything or be rude about it.
This has been discussed already. Please use the Search link up at the top right.
lol, and this is supposed to be a polite post? Come on, lighten up, if the same questions get asked for a thousand times, then i can imagine people sometimes like to point out the search feature of the site
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i dont know why people have to be so f**** rude in here. "use the damn search and etc" all we asking for is for f**** help, i know we have to use the "SEARCH" but damn f***! if you don't feel like helping someone, just shut the f*** up and dont say anything or be rude about it.
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No my friend, what is rude is to ask other people to waste their time because you are too lazy to do a little bit of research for yourself.
If you can help someone then help them, if you can't then don't. If you just don't want to help then you are just a user. The most repeated thing I have read in these forums is "use the search" if that is the only comment you can make then get lost! It is true in here that some who think they know something are just abrupt and rude to people who they think know less than themselves. Wisdom expresses itself in many ways, the least of which is "use the search".
Please use the search function.
Its there for your service!
We are all here for each others service.
uniqueboy said:
If you can help someone then help them, if you can't then don't. If you just don't want to help then you are just a user. The most repeated thing I have read in these forums is "use the search" if that is the only comment you can make then get lost! It is true in here that some who think they know something are just abrupt and rude to people who they think know less than themselves. Wisdom expresses itself in many ways, the least of which is "use the search".
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Well said! I must say, as a new user (but a seasoned veteran of similar dev sites), I have been dismayed at how simple questions here from noobs like me, are frequently greeted with thinly veiled contempt and disgust.
I just made a prototype app for the Diamond that uses the G sensor, and would like to get some feedback from folks, but I'm reluctant to start a new thread on the topic in case I unintentionally incur the wrath of the the veterans here!
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I just made a prototype app for the Diamond that uses the G sensor, and would like to get some feedback from folks, but I'm reluctant to start a new thread on the topic in case I unintentionally incur the wrath of the the veterans here!
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I'm sure you won't. Your thread will be most welcome.
However, I strongly feel that anybody should try and do some simple research before asking for help. I don't believe it's very polite (nor educational, for that matter) to simply write a post that essentially says: my time is too important to waste on trivial things like trying to find information, but since your time has no value to me, why don't you do that?
I often tried to find things when answering to others if the issue was not described in the forum. If, on the contrary, it has been discussed (and in many cases more than once), I believe that the Search button should be used.
It would be rude not to...
Actually I think it is pretty sad that most people have nothing better to do than to flame people in forums. If you see a question that is addressed somewhere else then either point the person in that direction or just don't answer. I have to agree that sometimes it is not that the person is using the search link but perhaps they are not searching correctly. This is a professional forum and we do not need unprofessional people in it so please play nice everyone.
A lot of the questions on here remind me of the 300ZX forum I used to go on... "I want to do a Twin Turbo swap, what do I need?" How many times do you think that question was answered? How many stickies do you think there were about that same question? Here's what the veterans are trying to make you do... Come into the forum, search for your answer first, then after you don't find it, ask. It prevents the forum from being cluttered and lets the people who really DO have unanswered questions to get answers more quickly. I'm not going to be mean or disrespectful about it, but please, if for nothing else, for the efficiency of helping each other, try to find the answer on your own before you ask a question.
It wouldn't be so bad if the Diamond forums were old with 100s of threads and the question being asked was last answered weeks ago. But the Diamond forums are relatively new and most of the questions being asked have already been asked on the current page or the page 2. You don't even need to use search to find the answer.
I've only been flashing for less than 2 weeks and so far have managed to find all the tools and guides I need by reading the posts on pages 1 and 2. I didn't need to go any deeper or use search.
So if anyone asks a question which has already been answered dozens of times then you should expect a few people to get annoyed. Afterall it takes less effort to read then for someone to type out an explanation again an again.
Also, a lot of questions are too vague, e.g. I can't flash the hardspl. Maybe if you spent a bit more effort saying what you have tried and exactly where the problem is then you might get more help.
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If you can help someone then help them, if you can't then don't. If you just don't want to help then you are just a user. The most repeated thing I have read in these forums is "use the search" if that is the only comment you can make then get lost! It is true in here that some who think they know something are just abrupt and rude to people who they think know less than themselves. Wisdom expresses itself in many ways, the least of which is "use the search".
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Agree 100%. Yeah I get a bit miffed reading the same basic questions, but then when you do use the search engine, it brings back 100's of threads at times, which a new comer to the ppc world might not fully understand.
I had my first ppc phone back with the Blue Angel, and so many guys have helped me along the way since then. It's only the minority who say "Use the search!!!". But having said that, I think this is the least friendly/most abusive ppc forum. I get the general feeling that a few guys in here are above their stations...
Just my 2 pence worth. Not "cents" as I'm British. If you don't know where Britain is, or its monetary system, then use the f**king sear......
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Well said! I must say, as a new user (but a seasoned veteran of similar dev sites), I have been dismayed at how simple questions here from noobs like me, are frequently greeted with thinly veiled contempt and disgust.
I just made a prototype app for the Diamond that uses the G sensor, and would like to get some feedback from folks, but I'm reluctant to start a new thread on the topic in case I unintentionally incur the wrath of the the veterans here!
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Bro:
If you offer us any kind of app with those characteristics you will never incur in the wrath of the the veterans here!
1. new posts that contains or starts with:crappy, wtf (this is real special to me), what to buy, battery life, gps, what programs, who is better, iPhone, how to? (the answer in the manual), polls-bring the killer instinct in me.
2, new posts that contains or starts with:i can not, help, my diamond.., how to ?, where to find, i searched but...., confused-bring the mother Theresa buried deep in me.
3. new posts that contains or starts with:i developed, solved, news, new program, new game, how to (without question mark)-bring up the happy me together with "lets donate", let's be encouraging answer post.
this is not a graffiti wall. this is a place with rules (when you registered you accepted the rules) and don't start useless threads/posts is one of them.
respect the rules and by doing so you respect the place and it's inhabitants.
giving respect will bring you back respect.
interesting threads are pushed back in 2-nd and 3-thrd page by threads started just to chat. the forum is full with such posts started usually by a noobie that is soon joined but 5-8 other noobies that are happily chating about something that's only by far related with diamond. each posts, each answer is bumping the thread up.
since my diamond is today how i wished to be and i don't have to search (ooops, sorry for using dirty words) for answers or tweaks i found great pleasure in helping ppl that need help but only ppl that at least tried to solve, to search and help themselves first.
i dont know why people have to be so rude in here. "use the damn search and etc" all we asking for is help, i know we have to use the "SEARCH" if you don't feel like helping someone, just shut up and dont say anything or be rude about it.
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first, watch yr language please!
second, i took the liberty to edit yr post. looks better and the message remain the same.
third, sending you to search is help because it means that the solution of yr problem is here somewhere buried between all the posts (too many useless, but who is to blame?). when looking for it you'll usually read posts that you''l remember later when trying to solve other problems. search is good for you and yr diamond.
keep the forum clean ppl!
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... sending you to search is help because it means that the solution of yr problem is here somewhere buried between useless posts. when looking for it you'll usually read posts that you''l remember later when trying to solve other problems.
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Very good points there KukurikU.
If the Diamond forum wasn't so full of posts which should be in the General forum then it would be easier to find Diamond specific answers.
And, like you said, while searching for an answer to a problem I've read other posts along the way which taught me things I never knew.
trichau81 said:
i dont know why people have to be so f**** rude in here. "use the damn search and etc" all we asking for is for f**** help, i know we have to use the "SEARCH" but damn f***! if you don't feel like helping someone, just shut the f*** up and dont say anything or be rude about it.
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There is one thing i don't understand. This is you're first post so no one has send you to the search function. Maybe you have read a question from a poster with a certain history? Otherwise i don't get i why you register yourself to a forum and start a bad topic.
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There is one thing i don't understand. This is you're first post so no one has send you to the search function. Maybe you have read a question from a poster with a certain history? Otherwise i don't get i why you register yourself to a forum and start a bad topic.
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Hahahaha that's something I didn't notice... He's looking at other users being told to use search and sticking up for them? Lame.
Why did this discussion get started in the Diamond Forum in the first place. This is a general discussion and not related to the Diamond specifically and is yet itself another example of how specific forums get cluttered and why it can get difficult to find what you are looking for in a specific forum.
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No my friend, what is rude is to ask other people to waste their time because you are too lazy to do a little bit of research for yourself.
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Dont answer the Q then and your time wont be wasted! Sometimes its hard to find the answer with the search function and even if you find the thread it could be 50-something pages long...
I've been using Myn's Warm Donut for the past week and all in all, it's a great build. My only complaint is that the camera picture quality is terrible. I've tried using the slider to increase the picture quality, which does help, but is nowhere near the quality of pictures taken on NFSFan's windows mobile 6.5 ROM. At it's highest setting, there are lines and noise throughout the image and a very visible horizontal line about 1/4 up from the bottom of the picture. Is anyone else having this problem?
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I've been using Myn's Warm Donut for the past week and all in all, it's a great build. My only complaint is that the camera picture quality is terrible. I've tried using the slider to increase the picture quality, which does help, but is nowhere near the quality of pictures taken on NFSFan's windows mobile 6.5 ROM. At it's highest setting, there are lines and noise throughout the image and a very visible horizontal line about 1/4 up from the bottom of the picture. Is anyone else having this problem?
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So the volume control, when the camera is up controls the exposure I am pretty sure. But yeah camera is not the best in android, I attached some pics at the different exposure settings. I see a line too.
Yep that's right about where my images are...same here
there are tons of questions and answers about this, search before asking!!!
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there are tons of questions and answers about this, search before asking!!!
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No there isn't... I did search before asking. If you had done so yourself before posting a useless reply, you too would have seen this. But thanks for not trying to help
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No there isn't... I did search before asking. If you had done so yourself before posting a useless reply, you too would have seen this. But thanks for not trying to help
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why does everyone always have to get an attitude. i tried to help by saying to search. there are alot more discussions about this than you think. ive even asked about this.
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why does everyone always have to get an attitude. i tried to help by saying to search. there are alot more discussions about this than you think. ive even asked about this.
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It's probably because you presume people don't know how to use a simple search feature, while contributing absolutely nothing to the discussion... but that's just a guess
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It's probably because you presume people don't know how to use a simple search feature, while contributing absolutely nothing to the discussion... but that's just a guess
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if people knew how to search and actually spent more than 2 seconds looking then this forum would be alot cleaner. and this discussion has already been discussed, thank you
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why does everyone always have to get an attitude. i tried to help by saying to search. there are alot more discussions about this than you think. ive even asked about this.
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Because repeating yourself over and over without actually adding to the discussion or attempting to help comes across as pointless.
Searching before posting is the first rule in the rules thread. Different searched yield different results, and some people may not know the proper terminology to find their answer.
Think about it this way: Say you searched, didn't find your answer, regardless of whether or not it was out there. Since you were unable to find it, you post your question. Someone replied, and you got hopeful that maybe an answer had presented itself since your search tactics were not effective. You go to the reply and all they said was "you should probably search for it." This can be frustrating because 1) you already did that, and 2) instead of going further and trying to help you, the person replying left you exactly where you were before, but wasted your time and frustrated you in the process.
I would recommend you stop telling everyone to search unless you yourself can help them find their answer in the same post.
malice9999, I have also had the camera issue (on multiple builds), but I hardly use it so it was never worth mentioning. However, this question may have been better served in the thread for the build in question.
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Because repeating yourself over and over without actually adding to the discussion or attempting to help comes across as pointless.
Searching before posting is the first rule in the rules thread. Different searched yield different results, and some people may not know the proper terminology to find their answer.
Think about it this way: Say you searched, didn't find your answer, regardless of whether or not it was out there. Since you were unable to find it, you post your question. Someone replied, and you got hopeful that maybe an answer had presented itself since your search tactics were not effective. You go to the reply and all they said was "you should probably search for it." This can be frustrating because 1) you already did that, and 2) instead of going further and trying to help you, the person replying left you exactly where you were before, but wasted your time and frustrated you in the process.
I would recommend you stop telling everyone to search unless you yourself can help them find their answer in the same post.
malice9999, I have also had the camera issue (on multiple builds), but I hardly use it so it was never worth mentioning. However, this question may have been better served in the thread for the build in question.
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if you have a question that involves one of the roms then its best to ask that question in that thread instead of making new threads to take up space. ive been chewed out for posting threads that have already been asked but when i simply tell someone to search im the bad guy???? this forum and the people in it are starting to get out of controll with asking the same questions over and over and over and people getting an attitude. if somebody is not helpfull then ignore that post. there is no need to get an attitude, it will just create a problem.
Malice9999, as I understand it the camera for the Vogue is not fully implemented in Android as of yet but people are working on it. It doesn't work too great in any of the Android builds, but hopefully soon.
Personally I always thought the camera on teh Vogue was next to worthless anyways..
THis thread has been discussed elsewhere and there has been enough flaming in this thread, hence it is now closed.
Happy Easter if you follow that trend