Hi @all,
Is anybody thinking about porting the WM 6.1 ROM from HTC Touch HD to HTC Shift?
Maybe we can use the Touch Pro ROM to extend the key features on shift?
;-)
Is only a crazy brainstorm ;-)
Yeah, that would be so creazy
Actually, this is not an OS problem crippling the shift but a driver problem. Porting a diamond rom is easy to do, but doesn't bring anything new, and takes more rom space.
thaihugo said:
Yeah, that would be so creazy
Actually, this is not an OS problem crippling the shift but a driver problem. Porting a diamond rom is easy to do, but doesn't bring anything new, and takes more rom space.
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I thought that was some "Bios lock feature the problem, and not a driver problem crippling the shift... do you know something more about this driver?
...maybe, it wasn't a great idea giving the SHIFT to my uncles in York...
thaihugo said:
Yeah, that would be so creazy
Actually, this is not an OS problem crippling the shift but a driver problem. Porting a diamond rom is easy to do, but doesn't bring anything new, and takes more rom space.
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Yes, you are right. It is something to do with Drivers, otherwise liberation would not show complete WinMo.
Thanks
Ram
I successfully ported the SYS from a diamond rom. It gives some better interface, but what is really linking to the phone is the OEMdirvers section. This one cannot be imported from let's say a Kaiser, because the phone look for a sim door for example. So it means new drivers must be found and adapted for the phone, the Wifi and the Xvga screen.
For SD and BT, I think drivers are more or less standard, but as I said in another post, something like the embeded controler is locking it on the vista side.
This is many different sides to work on. I think once the embeded controler (or whatever it is) lock is removed, we will find BT and SD.
thaihugo said:
For SD and BT, I think drivers are more or less standard, but as I said in another post, something like the embeded controler is locking it on the vista side.
This is many different sides to work on. I think once the embeded controler (or whatever it is) lock is removed, we will find BT and SD.
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May be I should put my cycles of effort there.
Thanks
Ram
uiui ;-)
I see... hmm.. my idea was only Windows Mobile 6.1 from a Touch pro for test the integration on Windows Server 2008 and Exchange 2007 on a "big device"
crazy.. driver problems between SD, BT and WLAN. Maybe, the additional Hardware is build on second Hardware Device (for windows use)..
Don´t have any a hardware Layer circuit of the Shift?
I think the only way for porting a WM 6.1 with all features is - to enable the SD Card reader. Maybe (when it works) we can modify with some registry tweaks the SD Memory card as "Virtual ROM".
Sometimes i ask me, whynot I can swap out easily the PIM Database to SD on other HTC Devices. Our Users are Power Users, and the most of them kill the internal memory with they big powerpoint slides... ;-)
If this is what you need, I think I can cook something and post it. But it is not optimized for space.
Hi Thai,
thank you, but don´t make to much if we found a solution to enable the SD Card slot as additional (and standalone WM) drive we have all features open. I think that is the best way, but where are the experts for this?
A other Idea: Maybe the X7510 Advantage ROM is fits more to Shifts Hardware Specs?
maybe there are drivers for SD Card Slot?
Puhh..
B/Tooth, WiFi and SD access are the big gems...shame we're not there yet...
is not a shame
Remember that the Shift is very expensive and the people that can buy this almost not be delicious hackers or developers and the other: there are not so much devices on the market like standard products like Tytn that sells over mobile operators ;-)
sadly, as I see the shift at the Cebit I stopped my ordering. But what the hell driven me, as I order the shift last week again. (I start with a X7510, test it, and think.. poor... so on, sell it again and buy a shift)
Hmm.. I think, i have buyed all nice to have devices of HTC the last 6-7 years.. But now I think it is enough. Always I thinK: WoW, the next Smartphone or PDA must be better.. than I buy it, and see -- hmmm.. ahhh .. ohh.. hmm .. not really better, only a bit
hehe, I must become a special pricing for testing from HTC ;-)
the only really way for all other not working features is, to enable first the SD Card slot. All other comes from alone I think. If teh Shift Users can
porting some apps to SD Card, then it makes much mor fun to hack the Shift (if it possible
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Hmm.. I think, i have buyed all nice to have devices of HTC the last 6-7 years.. But now I think it is enough. Always I thinK: WoW, the next Smartphone or PDA must be better.. than I buy it, and see -- hmmm.. ahhh .. ohh.. hmm .. not really better, only a bit
hehe, I must become a special pricing for testing from HTC ;-)
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You just sounded like me. My first mobile from HTC brand was Blue Angle (Siemens SX66) and I still have it in the attic. Next were Four Wizards. I have give one to my brother, one to a friend and two are with me. One of them my son uses as a entertainment center in the car. He carries all his favorite music and emulated games always and I think for a 4 year old it is great. The fourth one is in the attic eating dust. I bought Audiovox 5600 and then Cingular 2125 for my wife and now she uses iPhone 3G. I still feel iPhone is for novice phone users, who just want to use fancy smartphone. No issues with it. My office phone runs on 8525 (hermes) and my personal runs on Tilt. I want to upgrade 8525 to something like a Personal Business Center, so bought shift with hope that we could have voice and SD enabled sometime.
I had BenQ P50 for soemtime and I felt that it was great until I saw Wizard and felt what I was missing and sold it. It was rugged machine, I cannot play around it. It is sealed. I become addicted to HTC phones. My next upgrade (8525 replacement would be Touch HD or Sony X1 or W1). I am not sure at this moment though. I also have Everun with broadband interface (Novatel pci express card). It is a very good piece. I want to retire it, once I get Shift fully functional, then I will drop the ide of buying into HTC for sometime at least and invest that money somewhere else.
Thanks
Ram
ui, that sounds like me We are far (away) brothers I start first with a Apple Newton, the most of all Palms, some psions, then later some Windows Mobile Handhelds and some PDA´s like Casio E Series.. Then i merged Casio E100 with Siemens S45 mobile phone end of 2000, and talk with some Siemens managers, and then they build the SX45 ;-) (to late) the first PPC with Mobile.. But this all is yesterday... later then HP IPAQ´s, and all branded or not branded nice to have models of HTC..
Puhh. ;-) I think, that "was" my own flat.. but other: so can many friendly hightech computer people
;-)
joy.d said:
ui, that sounds like me We are far (away) brothers I start first with a Apple Newton, the most of all Palms, some psions, then later some Windows Mobile Handhelds and some PDA´s like Casio E Series.. Then i merged Casio E100 with Siemens S45 mobile phone end of 2000, and talk with some Siemens managers, and then they build the SX45 ;-) (to late) the first PPC with Mobile.. But this all is yesterday... later then HP IPAQ´s, and all branded or not branded nice to have models of HTC..
Puhh. ;-) I think, that "was" my own flat.. but other: so can many friendly hightech computer people
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Exactly. . You will see old HP Jornada (very first Pocket PC), HP Handheld (LX320), iPAQ 3855, iPAQ 310 (GPS companion), iPAQ rx5915 (another GPS) and ASUS R2H, RAON VEGA, Samsung Q1 in addition to 4 to 5 computers at my home. I already have donated few old PCs. I have given my old ViewSonic V1100 to my nephew. He uses it as an entertainment system while traveling and carries his computer games and some cartoons.
Thanks
Ram
Crazy the most same by me
And your´re feel always not empty, with your dreams about the pocket (PC) in the trousers? ;-)
the Touch HD internals Name is blackstone.
See:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=451
see now our Hope ))
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448112
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great success! Supports Exchange!!! but no Push mail yet...
Well done, let me be the first to offer my condolences....
Ill just stick with my Athena thanks. Seriously though, is it actualy any good?
i want one!!
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great success! Supports Exchange!!! but no Push mail yet...
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two months from now, when the shinny'ness wares off, you'll miss your pocket pc/smartphone
to hiimclif:
My brother bought an iphone today and was previously using a cingular 8125 and the iphone is so far above the technology of anything i have ever used. Don't get me wrong im sure its not a good comparison of the two phones. But within just the 10 minutes i was able to play with it i truely found it to be far supperior to any current ppc/smartphone. The design and layout is so much more fluent then windows its rediculous. im sure your much more knowledgable about everything, but as a normal user and not a hardcore junkie about everything i would never see myself going back to my cingular 8125. And im not biased towards anything i havent owned an apple product in my life but i can truely say this is an amazing piece of technology that blows The HTCtouch and what i believe just about everything else out of the water
lol Thats cuz you had a 8125.. Get a Hermes and tell me how much you would never go back to PPC. .
I don't have any plans to drop my Athena.
Iphone is a smartphone and that's it.
It's finn, and very fast,
Now I need to unlock, anybody?
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lol Thats cuz you had a 8125.. Get a Hermes and tell me how much you would never go back to PPC. .
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Hey, can you tell me about the hermes. you are talking about the 8525 right?
Is the processor 400mhz a big difference to the 8125, 200mhz.
Is it also USB 2.0 transfer. I really hate the 8125's slow usb 1.0 transfer. Have to take my card out of the phone and use a seperate reader to transfer my moviez and songs.
btw, any sim unlocker avail for this iphone ?
iPhone doesn't have a SIM card.
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Hey, can you tell me about the hermes. you are talking about the 8525 right?
Is the processor 400mhz a big difference to the 8125, 200mhz.
Is it also USB 2.0 transfer. I really hate the 8125's slow usb 1.0 transfer. Have to take my card out of the phone and use a seperate reader to transfer my moviez and songs.
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try looking up wm5torage
yes it does...
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/business/20070627_POGUE_GRAPHIC.html#
last I checked all GSM phones did..
phamoui said:
Iphone is a smartphone and that's it.
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Where do you get an additional applications for it?
Where is the software development kits?
Without these things its not a smartphone.
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iPhone doesn't have a SIM card.
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Um.
I hear iPhone also eats babies, and is made with the skins of 3 day old sealpups, and supports $cientology.
Of course it has a bloody SIM card. Try looking something up before stating "facts" about it
Ingvarr said:
Where do you get an additional applications for it?
Where is the software development kits?
Without these things its not a smartphone.
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Does a hell of a lot more stuff than my old dialphone does. At what point does a phone become smart? Email? Contacts? Address book you can edit? Internet access? VPN and webapps? Desktop-derived operating system?
SDK doesn't make the device a smartphone. You couldn't run anything on the UK-Market Three A925, unless Three published it - sure, you could get a Symbian SDK from somewhere for UIQ, but Three didn't make it "legal" or "easy" to get UIQ apps onto the device.
I think most people will agree the existence of an SDK doesn't not define a define as a smartphone.
I read somewhere the lack of 3G is actually due to the Qualcomm chip injunction. Wonder if there's a grain of truth in that...
Phone becomes smart when you can develop & install native third-party applications for it, that blends unlimited functionality of personal computer into phone platform.
Otherwise its just an ordinary phone - every phone have an OS and set of default applications inside, some very rich, hovewer these are not smartphones.
Btw, there is no probs in getting devkits for UIQ. Currently the main hassle is mandatory signing, but its still not closed platform. IPhone is.
RichardKAthena said:
Um.
I hear iPhone also eats babies, and is made with the skins of 3 day old sealpups, and supports $cientology.
Of course it has a bloody SIM card. Try looking something up before stating "facts" about it
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I think what he meant was the iPhone doesn't have a REMOVABLE SIM card. There isn't a way to access it (although I'm sure you could if you pulled the phone apart) because the battery also ISN'T removeable along with there being no back cover. This phone is just one big 'thing'.
-Nstefanelli-
HERMES IS BETTER
nstefanelli said:
I think what he meant was the iPhone doesn't have a REMOVABLE SIM card. There isn't a way to access it (although I'm sure you could if you pulled the phone apart) because the battery also ISN'T removeable along with there being no back cover. This phone is just one big 'thing'.
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Umm, if its a CDMA phone, its no wonder it have no SIM card.
SIM card is GSM thing, CDMA phones do not use "cards".
Some real Facts
Ok Guys, some real facts regarding my Iphone:
-of course there is a SIM Card. (cames with a blank sim card to activate via Itunes)
-Yes it's a smartphone, Why? Because you can install and unistall widgets applications (just like Mac OS widgets)
-Do not record VIDEOS (So youtube it's only to vivew some videos) maybe next firmware update will enable the camera to record
At this moment I'm trying to hack the device and Itunes to unlock my device, Do you guy know any other forum ? maybe like iphone-developers... I will post my review at
http://www.techguru.com.br
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-Yes it's a smartphone, Why? Because you can install and unistall widgets applications (just like Mac OS widgets)
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A lot of ordinary phones allow to install java applets, hovewer it does not make them smartphones.
As with iPhone widgets these are not true native applications, as they run in "sandboxed" environment and do not have the full access to phone hardware and OS features.
Apple declared already that they *maybe* will consider "opening" the iPhone and making it a true smartphone, but they said that "we will need to sort out security issues first".
I have had a 8125, 8525 and currently a 8925. I am disappointed with the camera of this phone, battery life and some other things. I was looking at changing phones and the one I am looking at is the N95. I have been using a T9 software dial pad to see if I can take the text input, I have no issue. I checked and all the apps I used are available for the symbian OS for the most part. My question is what did you guys not like about the phone to make you switch to the Kaiser. Was the phone slow etc? If this thread is waste of time for you please disregard.
Thanks in advance
-McMex
The phone is not slow at all. I just recently swithed back to Windows Mobile tonight, Symbian is great, but I'm not bias, both OS have the same software and apps, and technical similarities. I switched back to Windows to see what they have to offer for WM6. I swithed to Symbian when the first WM6 os we leaked, and kept moving up until I got the N95 8GB.
Windows firmware is more leniant in terms of modding however ;D
And a hardware keypasd is a must for me.
mcmexican said:
I have had a 8125, 8525 and currently a 8925. I am disappointed with the camera of this phone, battery life and some other things. I was looking at changing phones and the one I am looking at is the N95. I have been using a T9 software dial pad to see if I can take the text input, I have no issue. I checked and all the apps I used are available for the symbian OS for the most part. My question is what did you guys not like about the phone to make you switch to the Kaiser. Was the phone slow etc? If this thread is waste of time for you please disregard.
Thanks in advance
-McMex
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Currently (with the crappy video driver of the Kaiser - and also taken into account the camera "quality", the size, weight etc. into account), IMHO, the N95 is better than the Kaiser UNLESS you need a specific Windows Mobile app not available on Symbian OR you definitely need the touch screen (to, for example, make remote desktop control or something similar - that is, mouse / stylus-dependent - much easier).
You might also want to follow my articles - in my latest Bibles, I publish extensive comparisons between the two operating systems.
we3zy said:
And a hardware keypasd is a must for me.
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1, welcome to xda-devs
2, use the ThinkOutside SA keyboard. It's working just great with my N95. And, the cumulative (!) weight of the two dvices are still under that of the Kaiser (not to mention it's a full keyboard, not a slow-to-operate thumbboard.)
Thank you all for the feedback I am really let down by the Kaiser. I don't even use the hardware keyboard I have been using the cootek soft keyboard. Guess it makes my decision pretty easy then. I need to look into the ThinkOutside SA keyboard.
Thanks again
-McMex
I will only consider buying a Nokia again when they decide to add a touchscreen. That's what made me sell mine. For me a phone without a touchscreen is like a computer without a mouse. It wasn't a N95 though, it was a S60 1st Edition phone.
Smaniac said:
I will only consider buying a Nokia again when they decide to add a touchscreen. That's what made me sell mine. For me a phone without a touchscreen is like a computer without a mouse. It wasn't a N95 though, it was a S60 1st Edition phone.
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Well, I have tons of Windows Mobile Pocket PC's, Smartphones and non-WinMo devices. In most cases (except in some games and tasks like remote desktop control, drawing on screen instead of using a keyboard for input etc.), I find the lack of touchscreen a minor problem on both my MS Smartphones and the N95 - it doesn't reduce my efficiency in most cases (for example, reading/ answering mail, Web browsing, watching video, listening to audio, playing games etc.). It even helps a lot because it lets for one-handed usage.
Of course, if one uses his/her phone for remote desktop control (and similar stuff), he/she should go for a phone with a touchscreen.
Not to mention that the N95 misses out on the TyTn's high 'coolness' factor.
Next to that, i think developers in general are more interested in making software for a Windows Mobile device than a device running on Symbian.
If you really want a phone that can outmatch the TyTn in probably every way (except for the IMHO lame Symbian OS) you'll have to wait a few more weeks and buy a Nokia N82.
Sweet phone, check out it's stats here
Menneisyys said:
Well, I have tons of Windows Mobile Pocket PC's, Smartphones and non-WinMo devices. In most cases (except in some games and tasks like remote desktop control, drawing on screen instead of using a keyboard for input etc.), I find the lack of touchscreen a minor problem on both my MS Smartphones and the N95 - it doesn't reduce my efficiency in most cases (for example, reading/ answering mail, Web browsing, watching video, listening to audio, playing games etc.). It even helps a lot because it lets for one-handed usage.
Of course, if one uses his/her phone for remote desktop control (and similar stuff), he/she should go for a phone with a touchscreen.
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For me everything is much easier with touchscreen. Browsing, home screen (my Nokia had only 2 home screen shortcuts, one for each soft key), using a full on-screen keyboard instead of the sometimes extremely annoying T9, etc. But that's just my opinion.
troyk said:
Not to mention that the N95 misses out on the TyTn's high 'coolness' factor.
Next to that, i think developers in general are more interested in making software for a Windows Mobile device than a device running on Symbian.
If you really want a phone that can outmatch the TyTn in probably every way (except for the IMHO lame Symbian OS) you'll have to wait a few more weeks and buy a Nokia N82.
Sweet phone, check out it's stats here
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Is the N82 better than the N95? I thought N95 was still the best one, because it is 13 model numbers higher! (just kidding lol, but I did think a lower number meant a lower model).
One thing I'm really concerned on the Kaiser is the screen, that IMO is way too big for QVGA. Mine is 2.4" and I can already see the pixels. Kaiser could be a lot smaller if it also had a 2.4" screen.
And speaking of that, how about the colors? N95 has a 16m color screen, my phone has a 262k, but Kaiser is only 65k. Doesn't that make a big difference on movies and stuff?
Crappy video driver for Tytn II ...
Menneisyys said:
Currently (with the crappy video driver of the Kaiser - and also taken into account the camera "quality", the size, weight etc. into account), IMHO, the N95 is better than the Kaiser UNLESS you need a specific Windows Mobile app not available on Symbian OR you definitely need the touch screen (to, for example, make remote desktop control or something similar - that is, mouse / stylus-dependent - much easier).
You might also want to follow my articles - in my latest Bibles, I publish extensive comparisons between the two operating systems.
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Any news about HTC on this driver ? Hardware clearly indicate much more possible performance ... any chance to get our device and OS delivering their power ....
adebilloez said:
Any news about HTC on this driver ? Hardware clearly indicate much more possible performance ... any chance to get our device and OS delivering their power ....
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Not much... see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351986
I wanted to thank all of you it did help me make my decision I should have my N95 here tomorrow. I dont think anyone here is going to care if I like it better than my Kaiser or not. I will keep my Kaiser just in case I do not. Again thank you guys for all the information and opinions.
-McMex
mcmexican said:
Thank you all for the feedback I am really let down by the Kaiser. I don't even use the hardware keyboard I have been using the cootek soft keyboard. Guess it makes my decision pretty easy then. I need to look into the ThinkOutside SA keyboard.
Thanks again
-McMex
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So, your last 3 PPC's have been slideouts - yet you don't use it? Why don't you just get an iphone? Just kidding...really.
I don't use it much as well but do if the the text is long enough it gets its moneys worth. I'm been let down somewhat but at the sametime
things like internal GPS keep me stable - and the ROM Cooking community as well does of good job of filling in areas I feel are lacking...like
performance. Although, AKU 0.4.4 and 1.27.14.09 isn't all that bad. Most every phone I have been through on any platform has disappointed me.
You might consider the Sony Ericsson P1a.
It's beautiful and they have certainly fixed the flaws the they introduced in the P990. No support for US 3G Bandwidths, though.
When I bought my Kaiser I figured I'd switch between it and my N95 depending on what I'm doing... the speakerphone on the N95 is better than the one in my business-class phone on my desk for example.
Anyways, my thoughts were I'd use the N95 when not working, or when I needed to be on con-calls all day, and use the Kaiser when I needed something more communication oriented (read email and whatever else would make the character recognition/qwerty keyboard an advantage).
Well, fast-forward to today - my N95 pretty much only leaves the house if I'm going to be using the camera on it. The T9 on it is the second best I've ever used, so typing on it isn't too bad, the multimedia features are second to none, and its a nice, light phone, unlike the brick that is the Kaiser.
I guess if you're going to do a side by side of the features as I see them, it would go something like this;
GPS: Kaiser comes out ahead... getting a lock is easier/faster, plus you could always hook up an external antenna (not that I ever would).
Video: N95 hands down better since hardware acceleration in the Kaiser isn't being used appropriately at this time.
Audio: About equal.
Phone: N95 comes out ahead due to the superior speakerphone.
Apps: Both are equally useable from a smartphone point of view... Symbian has a huge community, WM has a huge community.
Camera: N95 hands down. Takes some of the best Macro shots I've seen.
Portability: N95 is smaller and much much lighter.
Build quality: There's some question about the slider mechanism in the N95 - some of them feel 'loose' but its easily fixed. I've never felt like I was going to break it. Kaiser feels more solid, but that's probably due to the extra weight.
Battery life: N95 battery sucks, hands down. New firmware is supposed to make a big difference though, and I haven't had a chance to update it yet.
I can't comment on the transfer speeds the N95 is capable of as I have a first gen N95 and live in the US, so the 3G radio is incompatible, but I will say the browser in the N95 is very good.
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Audio: About equal.
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Let me disagree. Audio playback-wise, the N95 is way better, for several reasons:
- stereo (!!!), very loud and good speakers with built-in (supported by Music Player) stereo widening. There simply isn't anything comparable in HTC's repertoaire. The only stereo HTC models, the Universal and Wizard, are way worse, both maximal volume- and frequency response-wise (I've done several A-B tests for my forthcoming Multimedia Bible between these three devices to see which is the best for music playback. The N95 won hands donw in every respect.). That is, if you often listen to music thru the speakers, there simply isn't anything better than the N95.
- A2DP quality. Doesn't really need to be further explained Of course, the A2DP quality of the Tilt is passable, but in no way as good as that of non-Microsoft-based devices (Nokias; Samsung's dumb phones etc). That is, if you plan to listen to music via A2DP and you know you're an audiophile, go for the N95 (or anything non-Microsoft; or, if you go for a MS device, get one that you can "hack" the Widcomm BT stack to)
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Battery life: N95 battery sucks, hands down. New firmware is supposed to make a big difference though, and I haven't had a chance to update it yet.
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Yes, that indeed was a big problem with the old firmware. However, you MUST upgrade to the new one. You'll be pleasantly surprised. The N95 with the old firmware is pretty much useless if you compare it to the capabilities, battery life etc. of the new firmware. It's like the difference between Windows and MS-DOS. Or, Pocket PC 2000 and WM5. The entire device is MUCH, incomparably better.
rlpaul said:
I can't comment on the transfer speeds the N95 is capable of as I have a first gen N95 and live in the US, so the 3G radio is incompatible, but I will say the browser in the N95 is very good.
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In the US, you get EDGE only - unless you get the N95-3 or the N95 8G-3, which is stated to reach the States soon. This means no for example video calls and (depending on your wireless operator, somewhat) reduced transfer speeds.
rlpaul said:
GPS: Kaiser comes out ahead... getting a lock is easier/faster, plus you could always hook up an external antenna (not that I ever would).
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Did you open the dialpad to get a more reliable lock as is also recommended in the manual? Do you have firmware version v11 or v12? If the latter, did you enable assisted GPS? With the latter, particularly with v20, I get a lock in 10-20-30 seconds most of the time (depending on the weather conditions). Without it, it's indeed painfully slow.
Menneisyys said:
In the US, you get EDGE only - unless you get the N95-3 or the N95 8G-3, which is stated to reach the States soon. This means no for example video calls and (depending on your wireless operator, somewhat) reduced transfer speeds.
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Yeah I bought the N95 -3 North American Version and it just got to my house. How do I know if I got the old firmware or the new firmware? I guess I should start looking for symbian forums.
Thanks you all again.
-McMex
mcmexican said:
Yeah I bought the N95 -3 North American Version and it just got to my house. How do I know if I got the old firmware or the new firmware? I guess I should start looking for symbian forums.
Thanks you all again.
-McMex
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The N95-3 already has the a firmware - it's the N95-1 (the non-American version) that used to have a much worse one.
I have been absolutely thrilled with my Kaiser II so far. It does everything I could possibly want!. I will list here all the wicked awesome things that I do with my Kaiser. There is so much talk of trading in our phones that I wouldn't mind hearing some other positive view points.
I can listen to podcasts / music
I can watch Movies/TV episodes with superb quality using the lastet video player from core.
The amount of games I have an this thing is mind blowing, I think Im around 20-25 kickass games!
Getting on the internet! Ive never owned a labtop or smartphone before so its a luxury for me to browse the net at school.
Reading the news!! I love being able to read RSS streams with my phone.
Reading books! I can read ebooks easily with this!
Im never bored with my Kaiser around!
Sweet =) I'm happy for you, really am (no sarcasm implied).
I love it too actually... for some reason none of my previous PDAs (casiopeia, ipaq, wizard..) interested me enough to sit all day long with them trying different things. Kaiser is just... so ... I dunno, advanced? complex? with all its little problems and cool features.. you keep exploring it and using it, and trying all the different things and combinations.. seeing what it can do and what it can't.. and how to "teach" it to do it..
It's a fun toy, whatever the case =)
I moved to the Tilt from a Palm Treo 650. It was a big advance from the phone I once made love to (treo).
You might bring some sanity to your (soon to be) new friend "bronx"
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Sweet =) I'm happy for you, really am (no sarcasm implied).
I love it too actually... for some reason none of my previous PDAs (casiopeia, ipaq, wizard..) interested me enough to sit all day long with them trying different things. Kaiser is just... so ... I dunno, advanced? complex? with all its little problems and cool features.. you keep exploring it and using it, and trying all the different things and combinations.. seeing what it can do and what it can't.. and how to "teach" it to do it..
It's a fun toy, whatever the case =)
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Same here. I used to have an iPAQ hw6515 and it was a very utilitarian device for me. It kept me organized, and with TomTom it kept me from getting lost (most of the time) The memory was lacking on that device so I never tried anything cool like specialized Today screens, (for fear I might slow it down even more) and with only EDGE data on the iPAQ I only got the information I absolutely needed right now on the internet. With the ample memory, and the blazing fast internet on my Tilt I can do so much more, and I do find myself "playing" with it quite often. Hands down the best phone I've ever had, I even rank my satisfaction with the Tilt higher than what I experienced with my Moto StarTac and V60 in their time. I remember I absolutely loved my StarTac, I felt like Captain Kirk with it... Now with my Tilt I have a converged device. My Communicator and my Tricorder have been merged togeather into this fantastic little device.
-Jay
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StarTac, I felt like Captain Kirk with it...
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Hahaha, yeah!! I remember StarTac... man that was a cool phone at the time!! It couldn't do crap, but it was so cool looking haha... I thought how much better can a cell phone get... lol
Me too!!
I've had various phones in the past, not pda's as they've never really excited me. I tried a SE P990 in a desperate attempt to get some more functionality from my phone...yuk, not a good choice.
I haven't had my Kaiser long but I've not stopped playing with it since it arrived. It's replaced my ipod too now that I have a BT stereo headset (and for the record that works perfectly, I believe many have had problems). Just need to sort out video on it and I don't think I'll ever change it.
Even my misses thinks its a cool phone so thats gotta be saying something.
Just wait until you start flashing it, then the fun really begins
I went along the same path, coming off of a CDMA treo 650. When I first got the treo, that is exactly how I felt about the purchase. It did everything I wanted and more. GPS was huge for me, despite requiring an external BT receiver. Once using a smartphone/convergence device there was no turning back for me.
Upgrading to the tilt just made things sweeter - integrated gps, SDHC support, and the big one that the treo lacked - WIFI.
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I moved to the Tilt from a Palm Treo 650. It was a big advance from the phone I once made love to (treo).
You might bring some sanity to your (soon to be) new friend "bronx"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362187
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Hahaha, yeah!! I remember StarTac... man that was a cool phone at the time!! It couldn't do crap, but it was so cool looking haha... I thought how much better can a cell phone get... lol
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I had the Captain Kirk-esqe way of opening the StarTac with a flick of my wrist. I was never able to get my V60, V551 or V3 to open like that. The flips were too tight on the other models. So what do you think of my vision of a converged communicator and tricorder being the Tilt?
-Jay
My first Pocket PC was ipaq 3970 and loved it then when I got my HTC Blue Angel it was like falling in love lol
Wasn't too impressed with M3100 after the BlueAngel but once i got my kaiser all i can say is WOW!
Regards
MM
PS Hope you enjoyed my tale of Love lol!
PPS Dont tell my Mrs too be!
I'm another Kaiser's lover!
My first pda was the ipaq 6915 (now in the hands of mum ) and i tought it was almost the top...
but when i tryed the Tytn II, during a trip in Oporto...it was love at first sight!
And now i'm proud to be a Tytn II owner
Here are some more fun things I do (and you can do) with your Kaiser:
Work on word, ppt, excel documents.
Listen to music (MP3 player).
Listen to XMRadio (if you are a subscriber).
Watch TV (using a Slingbox at home).
Use it to navigate (Iuse NAV4ALL).
Display satellite imagery at your location while hiking and off-roading.
Tether your laptop and watch Dr. Who episodes (Netflix) while camping.
Listen to Neal Bortz on AM750 WSB even when a thousand miles from home (webcast).
Store and read PDF manuals for all your toys.
Transfer files between work and home computers.
Get push email from both work and home.
Oh yeah, every now and then people actually call me on the thing!
I could go on and on...
Pete
what games do you play?
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Use it to navigate (Iuse NAV4ALL).
Pete
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Can you tell me about your experiences with NAV4ALL? Accuracy and responsiveness on the TYTN II? Any bugs or problems?
Lets see.....
Atari Portolio (Handheld PC XT clone) + Motorola brick + Rand McNally Atlas
Apple Newton + Motorola flip + Rand McNally Atlas
Palm Pilots + Nokia phones + Garmin GPS III
HP Windows CE (multiple) + Nokia phones + Garmin GPS III+
Blackberries (multiple) +Garmin GPS V
Palm Treo 700W + Garmin Rino
HTC TyTn + Garmin Rino
HTC Kaiser.....
Only one charger needed for travel and I'm a happy camper. If there's a connection to be had, I can use it. I seldom take my laptop on road trips anymore. The best part is I haven't retyped my phone book in over 20 years! I wish I'd kept all of those old units... It would make a neat display.
I would not over state "the best purchase of my life"
Even though it offers a lot, our hunger for more,better and faster remains.
Yes, despite it's lack of PMM future, I do like this gadget. Do not get me wrong.
I hardly call it a phone, it just does not make coffee yet. it does offer a lot and with all extra applications and games installed, it is truly amazing and versatile.
I have the (bad) habit to "upgrade"each 3 months (at full charge) So, I found out I bought in the last 18 months some 8 phones including iPhone, Samsung I718,Samsung D 900, Motorola Ming, Moto Razr V8, Tytn I, Tytn II, , combined +5000 US...
None could do what the TytnII promissed too.
I bought the Tytn II having a One-fits-all solution and we are near, very near. if the Cam and Vid would have been Ok, I would claimed it was indeed my best purchase (untill now)
does coretcpmcp work with .wmv local video files?
please advise.
tvos
I recently purchased the iPhone after going through 3 tilts since Oct 25(my bday that's why I remember)...I actually like the iPhone UI better...but the programs go to the tilt
well.. i do too.. i love my kaiser =).. my TyTN II overpriced but works great..
games suck.. well.. emulators... (snes, gba,) but for work.. or homework.. or just calling.. its great..
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Amen, I agree! I believe the Kaisers been the best purchase I've ever done as well, money worth spent! I know people have been complaining about its Video capabilities, and I know they are right, but the kaiser is just so much more than Video!
One quick question though, what do you guys use to convert DVD's into Kaiser friendly formats? And what settings?!
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Yep
I m proud of my kaiser too...
Its do all what i want..except for the camera/video recording...but its works great in outday at daytime...
and its the best my first PPC and the best PPC i ever had...
I'm currently using an N95 classic. Yes it's received a lot of critisicm since its release, it's not touchscreen, it doesn't have a qwerty keyboard and everyone seems to have one....but is this popularity just down to a mammoth marketing strategy or is there more to the N95 than meets the eye?
I've owned a TyTn 2 - albeit briefly - and found it pretty lame.
I'd like someone to tell me just what makes the TyTn2 better than the N95, and why I should perhaps reconsider - I do after all have a £250 Cex voucher with which I could easily purchase another TyTn 2 if you can sway me.
IS THERE ANYTHING FANTASTIC ON THE TyTn2 WHICH ISN'T AVAILABLE - IN ANY FORM - ON THE SYMBIAN PLATFORM?
It is worth mentioning that a good camera is important to me, as is multimedia playback. I'm not bothered about modding my today screen beyond changing a theme (this is completely unimportant to me) nor OS-specific yorkshire pudding timer applications/ gps applications that tell you where your golf ball is - just critical applications for things like Satellite navigation, photography, browsing, video players, wireless applications and desktop-replacement tools.
AND YES I KNOW THE KAISER HAS A QWERTY KEYBOARD.
I'm going off the two-handed qwerty input system on mobile devices - actually I quite like T9, and for long-winded essays or emails you can whip out a buetooth keyboard for use with most modern phones.....
So tell me where I'm going wrong, and why I should head straight to Cex tomorrow and get a Kaiser.
symbian platform doesnt exceed where windows mobile does
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That doesn't really help me. Exceed where? Elaborate, or else your comment will just come across as an unfounded sweeping statement
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example: Wm give you more freedom in customization . More detail example : Change the radio to fit your network and location. Dont forget that you can brew your own beer , I mean , cook your own Rom with a fair amount of knowledge.
Why N95 is so popular ? Its a Nokia . when peep talk about cell phones, they will at least mention the holy word "Nokia" once. HTC What ? Only dedicated users know about this brand. Nokia is one of the first Cell phone brand out there, and they have very wide range of products which meet larger demand than HTC. Symbian platform is also more user (noob) friendly , 10 years old kid can use a Nokia any time. If you hand them a Kaiser , they probably cry for mommy
Just like peeps in here, I can afford a iphone or a N95, but I still go for the Kaiser. There is a minor factor in my decision : seeing everyone around you ( and their grandmoms ) using the same phone ( iphone, N95 ... ) is not cool. Being up to the trend is cool , but being on top of the trend ( aka : rarity, unique ) is pimped . Thats why in US peep pay hefty for ****ty phones like LG prada cuz they are pimped and rare.
I changed my sliding keyboard sound to starcraft seige tank sound. Everytime I pop it out , someone "stop and stare " . I know that N95 can slide in 2 ways , but my screen can tilt 40 degree , which is more eye popping in my opinion.
Both brands got pros and cons . In the end of the day , it all depends on your flavor. We have a private joke iphone is for chick sex appeal. and Kaiser is for men in black ( with muscle ) .
If a camera is important to you than i'd suggest sticking with the n95.. or better yet, grab an n82.
I've been using windows mobile for a while now (made the switch from symbian in about '01) But my brothers all have nokias (one has the n95, the other has the black n95 (4gig or something like that) and another has the n82.. i know big family). And we kinda compete over what i can do with windows mobile and what they can do with their symbian devices.. somehow i always win with the wow factor
The reason i'm with windows mobile is because of its compatibility with microsoft exchange server (push email, contacts/calendar/notes always sync'd and backed up) and having word and powerpoint. On top of that the ability to customize it (reg edits and custom roms thanks to all the amazing cooks and devs on this forum) and the wide variety of programs available for this OS.
The camera isn't anywhere near as good as n series or sony ericsson devices, but i think this shortfall is covered by what i mentioned previously.
Also keep in mind windows mobile is like a high maintance girlfriend. You cant leave her alone for too long without her *****ing about something but thats part of having a highly customizable and powerful device. If you wanna push its limits be ready for flashing a rom atleast twice a month
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If a camera is important to you than i'd suggest sticking with the n95.. or better yet, grab an n82.
I've been using windows mobile for a while now (made the switch from symbian in about '01) But my brothers all have nokias (one has the n95, the other has the black n95 (4gig or something like that) and another has the n82.. i know big family). And we kinda compete over what i can do with windows mobile and what they can do with their symbian devices.. somehow i always win with the wow factor
The reason i'm with windows mobile is because of its compatibility with microsoft exchange server (push email, contacts/calendar/notes always sync'd and backed up) and having word and powerpoint. On top of that the ability to customize it (reg edits and custom roms thanks to all the amazing cooks and devs on this forum) and the wide variety of programs available for this OS.
The camera isn't anywhere near as good as n series or sony ericsson devices, but i think this shortfall is covered by what i mentioned previously.
Also keep in mind windows mobile is like a high maintance girlfriend. You cant leave her alone for too long without her *****ing about something but thats part of having a highly customizable and powerful device. If you wanna push its limits be ready for flashing a rom atleast twice a month
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Very true for the gf analogy lol. You have to keep her happy by pimping here with new stuff. And there is a joy doing that too .
p/s I flash ( rom or radio ) nearly once a week. I am never 100% happy
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Very true for the gf analogy lol. You have to keep her happy by pimping here with new stuff. And there is a joy doing that too .
p/s I flash ( rom or radio ) nearly once a week. I am never 100% happy
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I start itching when i dont flash a rom in 7 days.. i'm currently itching right now but i have so much work to do that i shouldn't even be on this forum right now!
I don't use Exchange or anything like that, and although I used to flash my Athena a lot this was mainly because there was always some annoying glitch or shortcoming in each ROM I tried!
As for cooking ROMs....well how does that really help? sure you can cook applications in there which your carrier doesn't add by default, but it's not all that difficult to remove or install an app. The Nokia is pretty vanilla anyway and I've just added what I wanted to it, moving my apps into different folders as I pleased.
I want to put all the movies I want onto a card and play them effectively, I want a good camera for when I'm out and about with a video editor so I can add titles, music and effects to clips before sending them, I want push email, maybe a bit of IM, full office functionality (including pdf viewing and zip/rar extracting capability), fast gallery capable of smoothly rendering and displaying pictures copied from my digital camera, I want a good browser with flash support for when I'm within range of a hotspot or in a 3.5g area; and a quick browser for when I just need to look something up quickly (Opera mini 4.1), I want full GPS support including a comprehensive Satnav application and google maps,
I want a Youtube client that can save clips so I can show friends and don't have to go through the browser everytime, I want an Mp3 editor to edit tags and crop and cut mp3s for ringtones and message tones, i want bluetooth keyboard support, built in FM radio, the ability to connect my laptop to the internet via my phone through Wifi, an SMS reader, a screenshot-taker, a torrent downloader, a limewire-style Gnutella client.
That's about it at the moment. All of these are available on the N95 and almost all for free. Sure there's no qwerty keyboard, but I bet I can type faster with T9 anyway since there are no dedicated number keys on the Tytn 2. I'll also have a spare hand to carry my shopping as I won't have to use both thumbs to type.
The most convincing argument I've heard so far is that I could make my TyTn 2 sound like a tank.
I definitely can't do that on my N95.
You've basically answered your own question. Granted, most of the stuff you can do with your N95 can be done with the TyTN II.
But if you can't list a pro to have a TyTN II when you had briefly, then stick with the N95.
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I don't use Exchange or anything like that, and although I used to flash my Athena a lot this was mainly because there was always some annoying glitch or shortcoming in each ROM I tried!
As for cooking ROMs....well how does that really help? sure you can cook applications in there which your carrier doesn't add by default, but it's not all that difficult to remove or install an app. The Nokia is pretty vanilla anyway and I've just added what I wanted to it, moving my apps into different folders as I pleased.
I want to put all the movies I want onto a card and play them effectively, I want a good camera for when I'm out and about with a video editor so I can add titles, music and effects to clips before sending them, I want push email, maybe a bit of IM, full office functionality (including pdf viewing and zip/rar extracting capability), fast gallery capable of smoothly rendering and displaying pictures copied from my digital camera, I want a good browser with flash support for when I'm within range of a hotspot or in a 3.5g area; and a quick browser for when I just need to look something up quickly (Opera mini 4.1), I want full GPS support including a comprehensive Satnav application and google maps,
I want a Youtube client that can save clips so I can show friends and don't have to go through the browser everytime, I want an Mp3 editor to edit tags and crop and cut mp3s for ringtones and message tones, i want bluetooth keyboard support, built in FM radio, the ability to connect my laptop to the internet via my phone through Wifi, an SMS reader, a screenshot-taker, a torrent downloader, a limewire-style Gnutella client.
That's about it at the moment. All of these are available on the N95 and almost all for free. Sure there's no qwerty keyboard, but I bet I can type faster with T9 anyway since there are no dedicated number keys on the Tytn 2. I'll also have a spare hand to carry my shopping as I won't have to use both thumbs to type.
The most convincing argument I've heard so far is that I could make my TyTn 2 sound like a tank.
I definitely can't do that on my N95.
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ok, I cant seem to understand the reason of this thread. From both of your threads is clearly obvious that u prefer Nokia so why are u asking?
u should take the nokia, and u will as I assume, am I right?
Sorry if my post looks too impolite. Dont want to be offensive.
If you find the N95 to be more suited to your needs, please carry on using it. "Better" is just a manner of perspective.
The best advise I could give is try to borrow a TyTN II and use it for a bit, see if it suites your needs and usage patterns. Then decide which you like better... or you can be greedy and get both!
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BTW I gave our extra N95 to my sister kept my TyTN II and Nokia 6267, I reckoned my TyTN II can do everything I wanted and it sync'd better with my desktop [XP + Outlook 2007 + ActiveSync 4.5]. My Nokia 6267 is for my call/sms all-you-want SIM to same network [SUN cellular PH].
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personally id go for the kaiser as i do not like nokia due to the random faults that go wrong with their phones, and also due to the kaiser running WM which as said before is alot more customizable etc.
CEX offer a 12 month warranty on their phones too which is good if you decide to get the kaiser.
i don't know as much about the n95 as the n82, but i suppose it probably does what it does pretty well, and the n95 probably does what it does better than the tytn II does what it does, if you get what i mean. =P
but the difference is, that the kaiser is expandable, and it's compliant with a (albeit slightly handicapped for the WM platform) suite of applications for the windows platform. it syncs almost flawlessly (and definitely more completely) than any symbian platform with outlook, opens up word, excel, and powerpoint files when i need them on the move, etc. also, because of the expandability, the WM platform would be among the first to be able to take advantage of any new technology not specifically designed for the WM device specifically, either as it comes out, or as an enterprising programmer whips up a program for it. take for example how both the n95 and WM platform can both browse the internet. but also say some new security code comes up that prevents access to some webpages. you can bet some programming companies like netfront or other will probably get some code out for WM platform users to upgrade to while you might not be as flexible with other platforms. i like how i can log on to my bank account via wireless/3G and manage my accounts (transfer funds) in emergency times through my tytn II.
all that said, the tytn II will have all the pitfalls of first adopter technology. it won't be as slick nor "do what it does" as well as the n95. i mentioned the n82 earlier, and i'm seriously thinking of that phone as a backup to my tytnII. for me, the n82 has a great camera, GPS, and the T9 keypad (although the keys are a bit small), and i know, unlike my kaiser, all will work pretty much flawlessly as advertised. but will it replace the kaiser? the answer is a definitive no. i need the kaiser for what it does (see above). but it'll be a nice backup to have, especially for a night out, or when i just want the convenience of the T9 keypad, which i find much easier and faster to use one-handed.
Firstly hello.
In your opening post you mentioned that you have briefly owned a Kaiser and that you found it prety lame???????????????????????????????. You, sir, are obviously NOT clued up on Pocket PC's nor the TyTN II!!! It is not a device for ID10T's.
It should be obvious to you then, which device you should choose. I think you already know the answer to your own question. Why start a thread then?
Do I really have to tell you what you already know? Do I really have to tell you that the N95 is no match for ANY pocket pc, let alone the TyTN II? Do I really have to tell you that Windows Mobile is unrivalled for it's abundance of applications compared to Symbian? Do I really have to tell you that Symbian apps, if available are more expensive? Do I really have to tell you that Windows Mobile is far better, more flexible and more compatible when synchronising with Laptops etc?
And finally, if a camera is that important to you, get yourself a nice Kodak Z612 for near-professional photos. As far as the TyTN II goes for camera, it is one of the best on any pocket pc. The TyTN II with CorePlayer v1.2.2 is unrivalled for playing movies and videos. TomTom on the TyTN II is absolutely superb. The TyTN II is also tweakable to levels only dreamed about by Nokia owners.
So, mon ami, the answer is obvious.....but you already knew that.
Resistance is futile.....
Get the TyTN II...........if you have the brains.....or maybe better yet, stick to the lame N95...it will obviously suit you better.
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In the medical profession - it is interesting that the person the least qualified to make a decision is ultimately the one who makes it - the person who is sick. Think about it - YOU decide if you are going to see a chropractor, a surgeon, a homeopathic doctor - right?
Will a chropractor recommend a surgeon?
Will an MD recommend a chiropractor?
So - to bring this analogy home - you come to a Kaiser board and ask (after insulting the phone) if this phone that you say is lame is better than the phone that you ultimately went with? The users on this board are all biased for the Kaiser.
It is like going to Mexico, going into a bar and yelling "Remember the Alamo!"
Bill
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In the medical profession - it is interesting that the person the least qualified to make a decision is ultimately the one who makes it - the person who is sick. Think about it - YOU decide if you are going to see a chropractor, a surgeon, a homeopathic doctor - right?
Will a chropractor recommend a surgeon?
Will an MD recommend a chiropractor?
So - to bring this analogy home - you come to a Kaiser board and ask (after insulting the phone) if this phone that you say is lame is better than the phone that you ultimately went with? The users on this board are all biased for the Kaiser.
It is like going to Mexico, going into a bar and yelling "Remember the Alamo!"
Bill
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Bingo! Thats exactly my opinion.
As soon as you dispense with advantages like the full qwerty keyboard, and the touchscreen, the point of your post starts to go out the window. Sure, if neither of those things has any importance for you, you may well be better off with the N95, or perhaps something even simpler than that. For the rest of us, who want or need a full featured pocket PC, the Kaiser is the much more obvious choice.
Why Kaiser? Answer: EVERYONE has Nokia phones or IPhones. Only the exclusive fews who KNOW the extensive power of Kaiser enough, to carry and own it! The rest of the folks out there, just stick with your iphones, nokia phones for it's easy to use and require the least brain power to operate the phones. Kaiser is not your typical "My phone is cooler than yours" Phone.
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Why Kaiser? Answer: EVERYONE has Nokia phones or IPhones. Only the exclusive fews who KNOW the extensive power of Kaiser enough, to carry and own it! The rest of the folks out there, just stick with your iphones, nokia phones for it's easy to use and require the least brain power to operate the phones. Kaiser is not your typical "My phone is cooler than yours" Phone.
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Agree with most of your points , except the last sentence
Kaiser is the typical "my phone is cooler than yours" . Why ? Cuz my brothers, sisters, cousins, neighbors, dogs and cats own a iPhone or a N95 , not the freaking Kaiser
leoni1980
"The most convincing argument I've heard so far is that I could make my TyTn 2 sound like a tank."
That was not my attempt to give your a sound argument, but if you think so , thanks. . Too bad , you didnt get the joke . More than that , I can make it moan like a biotch every time I slide it in and out , how cool is it !!!
Yea, I get your point when you started this thread so I just fool around with you . But most of the peeps here dont think so . Its not a very best place to stroke your N95 epeen cuz the folks living under the kaiser kingdom are pretty hostile.
Anyway, N95 is a good phone . But compare it with Kaiser is just like orange vs apple .
Anybody get a pre? I've seen one really great review of it and one kind of crummy review, very curious about getting this phone for my wife. Any recommendations on a good site (the XDA-Dev's for PalmPre)?? Thanks!!
not sure, but i dont believe HTC is manufacturing the pre
XDA = HTC phones.
again, not sure, if it is manufactured by HTC there would probably already be a section on the forum devoted to the pre.
I have heard a lot of good things about the phone.
only 2 cons so far: small keyboard, and programs lag a little.
other then that, Its a great looking phone, with new innovative GUI
I don't think I would be able to use the small keyboard. I can barely use the one on the Treo Pro, and the one on the Centro is too small for me... and I have relatively small hands!
Yeah, I know there won't be a section here as it is most definitely NOT an HTC device, hence my posting in off-topic. I was jut wondering if anyone knew what the best Palm forum is.
I've heard from another member of the forums here who has one that there are some hardware probs with the phone, dead pixels and bad overheating problems. First run Blackstones had similar issues so we'll see if this doesn't get straightened out in the next shipment. I'm not too worried about the small keyboard as my wife has doll hands and long nails anyway ;-)
Best bet is Precentral.net
Its not nearly as robust as XDA in regards to the manipulating and hacking of the device (possibly cause its just brand new) but its probably the biggest Pre / WebOS focused message board at the moment.
Yep i have red this is a crap
A piece of crap... is the way that many people has referred about the new PALM Pre.. why? i dont know, but I think its not powerfull than other device from PALM or HTC, but, does this palm have WinMo? maybe this feature can make it a little stronger.
I saw a few videos and i cant remember about it, cause it doesnt matters to me... Palm doesnt matter for who is a HTC user, you know...
BTW that litle qwerty seems to be for a kid... they are very happy cause the edge of the device is soft... what an amazing development!!!!
Well let us know if anyone has a little toy like that.
There should be a Pre section on this site...I dont see why now. There's 2 for the Palm Treo's:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=321
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=466
I might be getting one after some of the initial updates and bugs are worked out. 2 of my friends have one and they seem to like it so far comparted to their HTC TP.
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There should be a Pre section on this site...I dont see why now. There's 2 for the Palm Treo's:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=321
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=466
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That´s because that models were manufactured by HTC and Pre won´t so it won´t have it´s section on this forum
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That´s because that models were manufactured by HTC and Pre won´t so it won´t have it´s section on this forum
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Makes sense...Thanks
I played around withh it for a bit an the keyboard is soft and hard, but maybe your wife's doll hands will be fine lol
The web browsing is great. And I like that it's slim. Other than that, I like my Pro. And I don't know of any other issues. though. Good luck!
I do have to say that the Pre UI is pretty sweet. I hope the Android team takes not and realizes that the built in apps can also look good. As noted a few posts back, the Pre does have a bit of lag when you launch new apps, but the card manager works great for switching once they are open.
I have to say that I love the hardware design of the thing. reminds me a lot of the HTC Touch Dual. I hope HTC brings back the Duals form factor in a new Android handset.
I played with one today at the Sprint store...
The keyboard is better than I expected, better than the Treo Pro, much better than the Centro...
There is a "slight" lag when opening applications, but it doesn't seem to be with all applications.
The card interface is really cool and works great!
I have a Pre, so I would know stuff:
The in-store Pre's are running demo software, so they will have more lag than the real model
There is no file explorer - This is a huge change from what were used to on Windows Mobile, lol, but you don't necessarily need it.
Multitasking is AMAZING! Nothing can match it. Using Turn-by-Turn GPS while streaming Pandora in the car is seamless and works just as you'd expect.
The app store, well, give it time!
EXCHANGE: If you're exchange server doesn't use a SSL connection, then you're screwed. Palm has to release an update before this will ever work. Trust me, there's no other solution.
Synergy - I wouldn't know how well this works because I can't connect my Exchange server, which pretty much defeats the purpose.
Overall, I'd say that for your wife, the Pre would be perfect. It's like an iPhone, but you can do wayy more. It's not Windows Mobile though, so don't expect a bunch of functionality. But this phone works perfectly for what you want it for. Everything just works the way you would expect, like how the phone wont lock the screen unless you put it in your pocket (brilliant!)
But watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9uNABNcCoY It's an Opera Mini vs Palm Pre browser comparison video. Opera Mini smokes the Pre, lol.
So I would say, get the Pre for your wife. Everything is soo seamless on the Pre and works so nicely. If you want to be an advanced user, then WinMo (or Android maybe) is for you.
ace10134 said:
I have a Pre, so I would know stuff:
The in-store Pre's are running demo software, so they will have more lag than the real model
There is no file explorer - This is a huge change from what were used to on Windows Mobile, lol, but you don't necessarily need it.
Multitasking is AMAZING! Nothing can match it. Using Turn-by-Turn GPS while streaming Pandora in the car is seamless and works just as you'd expect.
The app store, well, give it time!
EXCHANGE: If you're exchange server doesn't use a SSL connection, then you're screwed. Palm has to release an update before this will ever work. Trust me, there's no other solution.
Synergy - I wouldn't know how well this works because I can't connect my Exchange server, which pretty much defeats the purpose.
Overall, I'd say that for your wife, the Pre would be perfect. It's like an iPhone, but you can do wayy more. It's not Windows Mobile though, so don't expect a bunch of functionality. But this phone works perfectly for what you want it for. Everything just works the way you would expect, like how the phone wont lock the screen unless you put it in your pocket (brilliant!)
But watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9uNABNcCoY It's an Opera Mini vs Palm Pre browser comparison video. Opera Mini smokes the Pre, lol.
So I would say, get the Pre for your wife. Everything is soo seamless on the Pre and works so nicely. If you want to be an advanced user, then WinMo (or Android maybe) is for you.
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I didn't know about the lock in the pocket things, that's really cool
My sever is SSL, so I'm fine there.
And, of course Opera Mini wins, the Pre is doing all the work itself...
HTC did make PALMpre...i remember when it was announce back in january...i have to say it is a very solid and good device and i love winmo phone, current xperia, touch pro, and HTC HD user. Palmpre WEBos impressed me i would pick one up when a gsm version release. I believe this device took whats good with winmo and iphone and combined it together very well and have lots of room to improve as well...one thing i notice about it that is bad is the battery...make sure you read up on the tweaks n so on so you can conserve battery but most people say it dies out very quickly i dunno if its the way they using it or not but i used a unit for 2 days and still have 50 percent battery...i say your wife would love this device and make a fan out of u
They support non-SSL exchange now
derekwilkinson said:
They support non-SSL exchange now
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No they don't. Did they release an update?? Or is there a link to a thread that hacked it? Cuz last time I checked, they didn't update it and that was the only way.
ace10134 said:
No they don't. Did they release an update?? Or is there a link to a thread that hacked it? Cuz last time I checked, they didn't update it and that was the only way.
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Umm. Yes.
http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na...ions/article/50607_en.html#N066192D0.0665F218
...Non-SSL Exchange ActiveSync (EAS) mail servers are now supported....
derekwilkinson said:
Umm. Yes.
http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na...ions/article/50607_en.html#N066192D0.0665F218
...Non-SSL Exchange ActiveSync (EAS) mail servers are now supported....
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Thanks! I'm gonna check for updates now! (Next time, it'd be nice if you described your post a little more, but thanks soo much!)
Exchange Works On Pre Without SSL Now!! Yay!