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Raphael HTC Touch Pro (TYTN III) is out

Its out!!!!
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518
http://www.htc.com/WWW/press.aspx?id=50016&lang=1033

Seems like a HTC Diamond with a Qwerty keyboard added
And the angle of the display doesn't seem to be adaptable
But screw HTC... Hope someone else will get the right video drivers working for the TyTN2,
however my upcoming phones won't be from HTC anymore

this one looks nice, but tytn II also was looking good. and what we got now? just some barely average phone. we will need to think before we buy tytn III.
however, i like the screen being on top and VGA resolution. i don't like diamond style buttons, i prefer real hardware buttons.

Geo_Ros said:
Seems like a HTC Diamond with a Qwerty keyboard added
And the angle of the display doesn't seem to be adaptable
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thats exactly what it is!

One thing that i hated about the diamond theyve fixed in the Touch Pro (well 2 things actually) .. ok 3 things!
- SDHC SLOT!!!!
- Hardward Keyboard
- Light on the camera! Missed that so much ..
Although i'm not liking the look of the joystick, need to test one to see how it feels
And the lack of hardware buttons on the front and side is a bit of a downer! but oh well
If this comes out on orange when my contract ends i'll blag a free one hopefully!

Is there a picture of a phone there somewhere?
Does anybody at their marketing dept know how to take a photograph properly? All those shadows and black make it about as clear as their policy regarding video drivers on the TyTN II. A classic example of attempting style at the expense of practicality as far as I can tell. Are people only getting half a phone when they buy one of these?

Only 2,8" screen? Damn. They could make touch pro with 3" screen.
Question is.... is there same bug still what is in older 2,8" screens?
Using screen in game slows down device awful much
And no tilt! Well my htc kaiser stays special
Still waiting for Sony Ericsson Xperia!

Moskiitto said:
And no tilt! Well my htc kaiser stays special
Still waiting for Sony Ericsson Xperia!
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Your kaiser will stay special even then because Xperia too doesn't have a tilt mechanism.

kdskamal said:
Your kaiser will stay special even then because Xperia too doesn't have a tilt mechanism.
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Aaaaaahhhhh, but the Xperia does have an arced screen which slides in an upward motion, not quite the tilt but better than flat.
I still prefer my TyTN II though.

wow!
I love it!
this will be my next device!
now we (we Europeans that is) have to wait for Fall to arrive

do we know what carriers this will be on yet?

bluemamba said:
Its out!!!!
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518
http://www.htc.com/WWW/press.aspx?id=50016&lang=1033
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Looks like a rip off of the SE Xperia ... but rumor has it that HTC is the OEM for the Xperia ....
I'll be getting the Xperia instead of this unit .... similar specs but Xperia has a better keyboard.
The Tilt/Kaiser 'film' keyboard is an abomination ....
my .02 cents

NikonMan said:
Looks like a rip off of the SE Xperia ... but rumor has it that HTC is the OEM for the Xperia ....
I'll be getting the Xperia instead of this unit .... similar specs but Xperia has a better keyboard.
The Tilt/Kaiser 'film' keyboard is an abomination ....
my .02 cents
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How on god's green earth can a phone which is cosmetically near-identical to the Touch Diamond, and descended from long line of HTC Tytn-like keyboard devices, possibly be termed "a rip off of the SE Xperia"?
Particularly when this phone is almost certain to be out before the Xperia?

hi guys,
i have the kaiser, the raphael looks cool but IMHO it doesn't worth the switch,
- the display size is the same but with double resolution
- it seems that HTC have developed only some API to make manila run smooth, in that case the 2D will suck like in the kaiser
I will wait .... I was a Kaiser early adopter ... HTC will not fool me again .....
bye bye

That definitely is not going to replace my tytn II

i would buy one to replace my Tilt if the screen were a bit bigger. VGA is great, but at 2.8 it really won't matter. (for me anyway)

not impressed with no tilt action will not be getting this

Geo_Ros said:
Seems like a HTC Diamond with a Qwerty keyboard added
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not exacly, look at specifications:
Diamond:
ROM: 256 MB
RAM: 192 MB DDR SDRAM
Internal storage: 4 GB
Touch Pro:
ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 288MB
Battery:
Diamond:
Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 900 mAh
Touch Pro:
Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 1340 mAh
Touch Pro have microSD espansion slot too.

Lorbas said:
not exacly, look at specifications:
Diamond:
ROM: 256 MB
RAM: 192 MB DDR SDRAM
Internal storage: 4 GB
Touch Pro:
ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 288MB
Battery:
Diamond:
Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 900 mAh
Touch Pro:
Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 1340 mAh
Touch Pro have microSD espansion slot too.
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and don't forget the FM radio with RDS!! (that could be nice with TMC )

No GSM 850mzh again?!
Damn it, is HTC really don't care the market in NA?

Diamond2 or Pro2

I really don’t know which one to choose from this one or the pro2. As already an owner of the first Touch Diamond which I’m very pleased about I do miss the keyboard but the size of the phone is then again to big does anybody know how the touch keyboard will work. Also if anyone doesn’t mind to tell me what the big differences are between the Diamond2 and Pro2.

Well the Touch Pro 2 has a 3.6 inch screen the Diamond 2 has a 3.2 inch screen, the Touch Pro two has a 3.2 mega pixel camera the Diamond 2 has a 5 mega pixel camera, other than those things and the keyboard and thickness I think that is it.

Thanks! Also I didn’t see the differences in the software so does it mean that the 2 phones have the exact same functions?

yuanes said:
Thanks! Also I didn’t see the differences in the software so does it mean that the 2 phones have the exact same functions?
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Software wise I think they are exactly the same

If the software is exactly the same then its 60% to 40% for the Diamond2

I´ll decide for TP2!
Because keyboard and bigger screen, really don´t care about camera mpx

difference
Hello,
The only main software difference I found between them is the "HTC Straight talk" for the Touch Pro 2, allowing to make multi party conference calls. Taken from HTC site (product info):
"Straight Talk™
HTC’s Straight Talk makes communication more natural, intuitive and effective. It is a way to seamlessly transit from email to a single or multi-party calls as well as a flawless means to complete conference bridge calls. The innovation is completed by dual microphone and speakers that turn your mobile into a professional quality speakerphone by the simple action of placing your phone face down on the table."

Hi!
For what I have seen the Strait Talk is more than software, it also includes the dual speaker system with echo cancellation that the pro2 has. The software part of strait talk is included in the new phone canvas, and that is identical in both the diamond2 and the pro2.
Regards,
PK
swissman said:
Hello,
The only main software difference I found between them is the "HTC Straight talk" for the Touch Pro 2, allowing to make multi party conference calls. Taken from HTC site (product info):
"Straight Talk™
HTC’s Straight Talk makes communication more natural, intuitive and effective. It is a way to seamlessly transit from email to a single or multi-party calls as well as a flawless means to complete conference bridge calls. The innovation is completed by dual microphone and speakers that turn your mobile into a professional quality speakerphone by the simple action of placing your phone face down on the table."
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@ swissman & paalkr
Exactly this well kind of a same function you have in the “older ones” touch diamond and pro. It’s a nice gadget though but which one of you is really going to use this function and what I mean with it is like in a conference with your business partners etc.
But like orb3000 it’s clear did he wants the TP2 because of the keyboard and bigger screen 0,4 inch bigger than the TD2.
People who want to buy the TD2 or TP2 please tell me your reasons why you go for the TD2 or TP2?

yuanes said:
People who want to buy the TD2 or TP2 please tell me your reasons why you go for the TD2 or TP2?
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I'll go for the TD2: less expensive, smaller thus more pocketable.
No physical keyboard is not a drawback for me (not enough typing to bother with a much thicker device, and I do not use qwerty keyboard anyway (not sure physical keyboard come in azerty variety), or sometime use non-western keyboard which only come as software keyboard)
Smaller screen is a drawback, but I'll accept it to have a smaller device, it is only a size reduction which is less problematic than lower resolution....The only thing I regret is that larger screen would have been possible in TD2 size, but ok, no phone is perfect ;-)

gkai said:
I'll go for the TD2: less expensive, smaller thus more pocketable.
No physical keyboard is not a drawback for me (not enough typing to bother with a much thicker device, and I do not use qwerty keyboard anyway (not sure physical keyboard come in azerty variety), or sometime use non-western keyboard which only come as software keyboard)
Smaller screen is a drawback, but I'll accept it to have a smaller device, it is only a size reduction which is less problematic than lower resolution....The only thing I regret is that larger screen would have been possible in TD2 size, but ok, no phone is perfect ;-)
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You do have a point there size is almost everything, with the TD that I have never had any problem with it because it fits in my jean, suit etc perfect!
Thanks!

As of right now I'd go with the TD2. Never had a slide out keyboard so having one isn't all that important to me. Size is everything to me and until I can hold a TP2 I am worried that it will be too thick for my liking. Both screens are nice, the TP2's is obviously nicer but I could still live with the TD2 since it's an upgrade to the screen on the vogue or diamond. But in the end it will somewhat depend on if my carrier gets both and the timing of their release.

TP2 is better in terms of specs and look IMO, its colour is uniform throughout, not a bit of silver at the bottom and the rest is black like the Diamond 2. Price is very important also.

Here's a spec sheet comparing the Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2 and Touch HD: http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf

bugsykoosh said:
Here's a spec sheet comparing the Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2 and Touch HD: http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf
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Thanks for the specs and the comparing!

Definitely TP2, i use to own the kaiser and moved over to Touch HD... and i must say i Damn miss the keyboard, plus extra screen size and resturn of tilt - way step up from Kaiser.....Can't wait

Doesn't the Pro still have TV-Out capability?

smadger said:
Doesn't the Pro still have TV-Out capability?
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It does have the TV-Out.

I say the touch pro 2. This is because it has 2 mics, 2 speakers, a bigger screen, a full tilting qwerty keyboard, and looks way nicer, the only thing i think is better about the diamond 2 is the 5 megapixel camera, but as for the sze of the phone I hink its about as thin as a G1 which is pretty thin for a phone with a keybaord and wont seem that bulky

Link278 said:
I say the touch pro 2. This is because it has 2 mics, 2 speakers, a bigger screen, a full tilting qwerty keyboard, and looks way nicer, the only thing i think is better about the diamond 2 is the 5 megapixel camera, but as for the sze of the phone I hink its about as thin as a G1 which is pretty thin for a phone with a keybaord and wont seem that bulky
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The 2 speakers are nice though but are you really going to use 2 mics, I also hope that it isn’t that bulky because a friend wants to buy it. He always wants to compete with me the same as the TD1 and TP1 its going to start all over.

Change a HTC Diamond with a SAMSUNG OMNIA...

....what do u think about this choice?
That's because I have the possibility to change my old Diamond (of one year) with a new SAMSUNG OMNIA....for free...
...I took a look to this OMNIA and is very nice: Camera of 5mpx with flash, 8GB internal memory with microSD reader, bigger screen (I think like the HTC HD), and a better and loud ring sound...
Thaks for your opinions!

keep in mind that omnia is longer , wider , thicker , Heavier ,dont have a lot af developers here and does not have custom rom in this forum so you need to go to other site , also i dont know about your country but in my country you cant sell samsung with a good price
so its your decision

i think u made a slightly wrong decision
1.samsung is wider and too thick I think for its class(if there is a keyboard like touch pro, I don't mind the size)
2.there is no many cooked rom for omnia(compared to htc touch family)
3.the support of samsung is bad in my country(its up to u,because u are not in my country)

Omnia has lower screen resolution and no real d-pad. But it has a wide screen and inbuilt codecs for divx. So if you want to watch movies go for Omnia. Also the Omnia I was playing with had a very unsensitive screen comparing to my Diamond. Plus it uses propertiary connectors - a cheap car charger which worked with my Diamond couldn't charge the Omnia with data cable that came with the phone, though it charged from a PC.
I would stay with Diamond. But if you prefer Omnia, try to get 16gb one.

Close to buy a new phone, Help!

Hi guys!
I'm from the Elfin forum and I'm decided to buy a new phone, so I'm confused to choose between XPERIA and Omnia.
After search about both phone specs I was surprised to know that XPERIA is HW 3D capable and that it's almost or fully capable to run M2D 3D, so I'm almost sure to buy a XPERIA phone instead of Omnia.
I would like to know from you (people that really use this phone ) how is the phone on day by day use, with games and emulators, etc in overall aspects.
Sure about your help, thanks a lot!

Are you serious gonna buy a phone because it has manilla 3d?
Ok manilla 3d runs same as on the htc phones.. but this qualcomm cpu aint So good for other 3d purposses like games
If you can get a cheap xperia x1 sure go ahead but dont pay top price for it..
Since most of the xperia's will eventually get cracks or other problems..
you could also look at touch pro 2 it has bigger screen, tv out, g-sensor and 1 row more keys. (altho that one has the same cpu and tp2 is way more expansive)
you could also wait for other phones with the qualcomm snapdragon or nvidia tegra cpu's those 2 should come out soon i guess.

I'm in Brazil guy, on the local providers the most advanced phones are iPhone (isn't a smatphone), HTC Diamond, Omnia and now XPERIA.
I thinked on XPERIA cause the HW 3D and physical qwerty, and after for M2D 3D that's pretty cool interface.
The price for these phones on the Brazil providers it's about $700, are you think it expensive?
You sure, there are phones most capable, with g-sensor, tv-out, larger screen..., but about these I did mention, in your opinion, how is the best?
About the games, how it was?

Chaosstorm said:
Since most of the xperia's will eventually get cracks or other problems..
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No, most will NOT get them.
OP get the Xperia and be happy with your life afterwards (or happier).

Celso Marques said:
I'm in Brazil guy, on the local providers the most advanced phones are iPhone (isn't a smatphone), HTC Diamond, Omnia and now XPERIA.
I thinked on XPERIA cause the HW 3D and physical qwerty, and after for M2D 3D that's pretty cool interface.
The price for these phones on the Brazil providers it's about $700, are you think it expensive?
You sure, there are phones most capable, with g-sensor, tv-out, larger screen..., but about these I did mention, in your opinion, how is the best?
About the games, how it was?
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Yes, that is very expansive. Check ebay. I got mine for $270 in fairly mint condition.

orelsi said:
No, most will NOT get them.
OP get the Xperia and be happy with your life afterwards (or happier).
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Well ok mine didnt get cracks but the screen is going blue when sliding out (after repairs..) (before repairs it went out when sliding open)
So yes .. the phone has weird problems altho not every one will experience these
(yes i know a cable is loose and giving wrong colors but hey.. its a stupid problem because i didnt drop it ..)

Hi guys,
I had checked the ebay and the offers are about $500 for new phones, and $350 for used ones. In fact it's not so different of the prices in Brazil's operators
I readed something about cracks in some devices, but maybe it's a fault in some of first manufactured lot or else bad quality material that was used, that certainly already was changed on new manufactures.
But I want to know about the overall performance, if the device is really fast as the Diamond or Omnia (that are my other options of buy).
In truth, I'm discarding the Diamond because it has no SD slot, so I can't expand its memory.
Considereing the Omnia x XPERIA, I'm loosing a 5 megapixel camera, g-sensor, a little more speed processor and a little more large screen? But on XPERIA I'm getting a physical qwerty that maybe more useful that g-sensor, the 3.2 mp camera that is already more efficient than the 2 megapixel from my Elfin, double RAM and ROM, and the rest I think are equivalent.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2246&idPhone1=2422
What you can say about the day by day use?

I'm using both the Omnia and Xperia at present, but am prefering the Xperia...
Even though the Omnia has a 5mp camera, the X1 3.2mp is more than sufficent for random pictures, obviously not something you'd take holiday snaps with.
The lack of G-sensor is a blessing, it really annoyed me on the Omnia and usually I turned it off as the screen would change orientation when least expected.
Even though the screen on the X1 looks quite a lot smaller compared to the Omina, the quality is far superior in both touch response, colour and resolution, you can really tell the difference after using the X1 and then going back to the Omnia.
As for speed of use, I'm using the PCTECH WM6.1 custom rom which is amazing. Very responsive, speedy and with NO bugs or crashes I've come across from using for the last 3 weeks. It really does make the Xperia a joy to use.
Using the hardware keyboard is a joy from using the onscreen Omnia keyboard, now I can write so much without typos. My friends now know what I'm trying to say when I text them.
...but there are downsides to the Xperia v Omnia...mainly the sound that comes from the X1's speaker. The speaker quality is awful, the sound is very tinny and quiet. Without tweaking the Xperia to increase the ring volume it's almost unhearable, as for listening to music from it don't even bother, where as the Omnia's speaker quality is very good. It's loud and of great quality.
There also seems to be an issue with video playback on the X1, in that unless you downsize the resolution of the video's it's very choppy, where as the Omina is spot on.
Internet browsing for the X1 is MUCH faster than on my Omnia for some reason too.
Also I like the Xperia as it's more substantial when in your pocket. It's heavier and thicker than the Omnia but at least you know it is in your pocket. A lot of the time I wasn't sure if I'd lost my Omnia from my pocket due to it's slim size and light weight.
It's really what you want out of your phone as to which one to get.
I at present am enjoying the Xperia as my phone of choice rather than the Omnia, it just depends whether the ring tone issue bothers you that much.
Both are great Win Mo phones so either way you're getting a good phone which is highly customizable

I am X1 owner for half a year. The phone is very good regarding functionality and design, however it is rather slow. I am using official R2A firmware, I have read it gets faster with the newest R3A or custom ROMs - haven't tested it. And I must say I cannot compare it to other WM phones since I've never had any. For me it is a very basic requirement to be able to listen to music, have my RSS Reader App open and load a page in Opera and switch between these apps rapidly - the X1 doesn't manage this very well, gets stuck and you have to wait for some time. But as I've said, I don't know about other WM phones and to be honest I don't believe they are so much faster. As for gaming, the X1 is definitely not a gamer's choice. You can play NFS and stuff very well but there aren't so many cool WVGA games. I had big trouble running emulators. PS1 emulator works but with about 2 FPS, GBC emulator is almost well-playable without sound. That's it. If you want a phone for playing games, the X1 is not the right device for you.

from my opinion, xperia is neaerly a year old. x2 is already coming really soon, well, within the next few months then, furthermore, HTC leo is more powerfull, but most probably lacks a hardware keyboard... so... if I were you, i'd wait a few more moments... look around on different websites to see new phone previews etc. etc. and for games... well, maybe you shouldconsider an iphone 3G, wich, is also a year old and may be much cheaper now, but it let's you play games for dayzzzzzzz

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the screen!
dude! dont forget the screen! i cant believe noone mentioned this before!
yea the omnia screen is slightly larger, but the xperia screen has MUCH higher resolution!
omnia is a measly 400x240 while xperia is a whopping 800x480!!
considering screen size/resolution,, the xperia has almost 5 times the res of omnia! pair that with coreplayer and xperia is a hel of alot better to watch movies on!
also the media panel is great, smooth flick scrolling and amazing sound quality add up to a great music device.
go for xperia dude, definitely
although 700 is too much, it goes for 450 now brand new in lebanon.
ehjoy!

Hi guys!
Thanks a lot for all your comments and opinions, it will be very useful for me and will help me to decide.
I'll evaluate all data you provide me, before decide and to buy.
Thanks a lot! Who knows in a very soon future, we'll be all together in a same board

X1 or X2?

So im in the market for a new pda, after selling my Touch HD (now that it was broken or anything, but I just want something else). And my question is either wait for the x2 , which could take months, taking in consideration SE marketing strategies, or buy an X1?
I read they are both similar in hardware specs and I count on the brave fellas at xda to be able to port all apps / panels / etc.
I read that the x2 will be selling at around 2000 local currency (rougly 550 euros) whereas the x1 is selling at around 1400 local (aprox 330 euros).
I was also thinking to wait for the new touch hd2 (aka leo) but i've noticed im a keen writer and the hardware keyboard tends to be a must. I switched to the touch HD from a touch pro 1 and even though the screen was superb, the lack of the hardware keyboard made me "cry".
What do you people say?

The X1 costs too much for 1 year old tech, and having mostly the same internals as the X1, i feel the X2 will not be worth 550 euros.
Besides, the X1 keyboard may suffice for some, but for a keen writer, i think it will dissapoint. OTOH, style wise the X1 has few peers, and even its successor is hard pressed to match it there.
Go for the touch pro2. Combines screen of the HD (3.6" vs 3.8") with a best in class keyboard.

Problem is I cannot afford a tp2 (its roughly the same price as i expect x2 to be, but waiting for x2 might give another month or two, to save some more). The xperia x1 looks wild tbh and its one of the pluses in making my decision.

Try the X1 keyboard. If it works for your needs, you can consider it. With imminent release of the X2, you can prolly get it at a good price. (which is what i myself did)
Having said that, users do report that the X1 kb becomes unresponsive or performs double entries after a few months of use, requiring a trip to the sevice center for days, if not weeks.
X1 kb also does not come with ctrl-key, so no ctrl-x, ctrl-v etc. Also has no arrow keys, altho the dpad works well enough. The X2 fixes these problems and *looks* like a very nice kb to type on. It also adds accelerometer.
If youre willing to wait for the X2, compare the X2 kb with the TP2 kb before you make your purchase. After all, TP2 has xda support ;-) X2 is not made by HTC.

From your options I'd take X2.

Im curious if the waiting tmie for x2 will the same as x1...announced in feb. released in nov. available in january, one year later.

x1 got fm radio
x2 got accell meter and comes with a newer panel system
personal I would get hero or hold out for x3 with andriod mainly because of the cap screen rather then resistive
if there was a wm device with that then I would get that

Rudegar said:
x1 got fm radio
x2 got accell meter and comes with a newer panel system
personal I would get hero or hold out for x3 with andriod mainly because of the cap screen rather then resistive
if there was a wm device with that then I would get that
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It's also possible X2 will have the radio in the next FW.

get a x2, why buy a x1 now when the x2 is coming out in 2 months

According to my information it will be out next month. Check out my thread just then. There is also a statement about the price.

I've come to the conclusion that rather waiting for the x2 and paying 600 euros for old tech, i can either wait for the htc leo (hd2) same price/better hardware or buy an x1 which is two times cheaper and has specs as x2.
I cannot afford a tp2 and neither do I like it's looks (holding it just feels bulky, and the tilting screen doesnt give me a good impresion of long-lasting)