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Low resell value (2nd hand prices) of Diamond?

Hi all,
Just picked up an as-new Diamond for only £180, and I am pretty chuffed. But this makes me wonder, why is the second hand price of the Diamond so low? This phone hasn't even been available en mass for 6 months, and is still the latest model. I would have thought it would be more like £250 second hand rather than £180?
Thoughts?
Oh it is a very nice upgrade from the Polaris by the way Slimmer and loving the VGA screen. Just that the battery isn't really up to it.
Thanks.

At a guess probably because the Touch HD and X1 are around the corner.....

X1 I can understand.
But HD is targetted at different customers surely?
Slim/style = Diamond (used to be Polaris)
Keyboard = Pro (used to be Kaiser)
Fully featured = HD (used to be Athena???)

suggest you have a close look at the Touch HD...I think you might find that its way superior specs (including screen acerage, SD card, battery!) outway the downside of a slightly bigger device
....my humble opinion of course
er, btw, never seen a modile phone/PDA hold its price for more than 3mnths...only as good as the next released model

I think the resale price is determined by one key factor ... the Diamond is a bit crap

All it takes for the price of the Diamond to drop is for people to visit these forums. I mean come on, why wouldn't the price drop when they all overheat and most of them have screen/display issues?

As already mentioned, the fact that the HD is in the pipeline will be having an impact, plus many people are selling because the Diamond wasn't what they had wanted or hoped for. I've heard more than one story outside of this forum.
WM is a bit of a shock to be honest compared to the reliability and functionality of a Nokia - or even the iphone. IMO, HTC haven't helped things by rolling out a set of half-finished software which manages to suck while pushing the hardware a little too hard.
I'm talking about TF3D here, with its poor, inflexible homescreen and badly limited program launcher. It's unable to display landscape so they decided to disable landscape mode entirely and I just don't believe that the photo contacts tab was originally intended to display just 15 people. Then there's the dialer bloatware (with its handy pocket-unlocking feature) and the bugs in the implementation of Opera!
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with my Diamond now that I've flashed, re-flashed and gone with 3rd-party today plugins. I love what it can do given its compact size but I know many people will have been disappointed and that will inevitably knock down the resale price.

X1, a long term investment??

Im really starting to consider the X1, but i want to know if the X2 (or whatever it will be called) has plenty of new parts in the interface will this be able to be ported to the X1, so that in a sense when the X2 comes out you could literally tailor make your X1 into the X2. As touch flo has been ported i would of guessed the X2 would be the same, with whatever new feats would be added??

10123 said:
Im really starting to consider the X1, but i want to know if the X2 (or whatever it will be called) has plenty of new parts in the interface will this be able to be ported to the X1, so that in a sense when the X2 comes out you could literally tailor make your X1 into the X2. As touch flo has been ported i would of guessed the X2 would be the same, with whatever new feats would be added??
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TC,
Have you seen and felt the X1 in person and played with it for more than 15 minutes? The X1 looks much smaller in person, just be sure t oknow what you're getting yourself into. Also, there might be newer HTC devices coming with more powerful processors later this year. It might be worth waiting.
Just give it a thought. Whatever it is, just be sure to make sure you've seen the X1 in person before buying it.
Cheers.

I would say wait for an xperia like device with snapdragon cpu or tegra or cortexA8
oh and if you would take xperia. take also an insurance because this phone has alot of weird issues that appear after 2-6 months.. like cracks or a phone that goes off when sliding out.

Make the X1 into X2? It seems almost impossible, not with cellphones.

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I would say wait for an xperia like device with snapdragon cpu or tegra or cortexA8
oh and if you would take xperia. take also an insurance because this phone has alot of weird issues that appear after 2-6 months.. like cracks or a phone that goes off when sliding out.
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Whats Snapdragon and tegra and cortex, what does this do??
Wouldnt the warranty cover the cracks, for a phone this expensive i wouldnt expect any cracks.

I have an X1i with no cracks or physical issues. I purchased mine in November, shortly after it hit the market (I had to return my first one becasue the FM radio didn't work).
It will most likely be possible to upgrade X1 to WM6.5 when it comes out. Of course, you can upgrade it to the WM6.5 beta right now if you'd like, but of course it isn't 100% complete or bug-free yet. I don't think any phone is obsolence-proof though. Enjoy the X1 now, since who knows when the X2 will actually hit the market? They're both WM based phones, so the software will be compatible.

The price on unlocked an X1i continues to fall, with the cheapest I've seen lately at $449 US. That's also a consideration.

Still worth investing in an X1?

First off, I guess its obvious a lot of the users who browse this board would recommend the X1. My hope is that I can get some honest opinions on whether or not you guys would still invest in a X1 if you didn't have it currently.
I'm in Canada and I'm looking for a phone from my local retailer (in this case Rogers). Since I'm not just buying any unlocked phone, I don't have that many options. Its the X1, HTC Diamond of iPhone. iPhone's functions are great but I just dislike the look very much. The X1 is looking good in both appearance and cost for me.
I'm also a bit intimidated about all the customization for the X1. It's great that there are so many options but I don't know where to start. If someone can point me off in the right direction (in terms of what to install, what are must have ROMs / apps) that would be great. Especially all this WM6.1/6.5/6.5.1 I hear buzzing around.
Any help would be great appreciated.

the x1 is cool and all but its 1 year old now. You can find better phones out there. Are you interested in the updated x2? its the same just bigger screen and an accelerometer. Are you going to be at&t only? If not you should check out the Droid phone for verizon

if you can get it really cheap then go for it or get the tp2 for the bigger screen. both are pretty much one year old tech but will hold their own with the new current phones being offered.

I'm from the igloos up North so the Canadian providers are mainly Rogers and Telus and I'm with Rogers.
Seems to me that we usually get the shortest end of the stick; by the time I can pick a phone up from my local store it seems to be outdated and at the moment it seems to be my only choice. This is my first smart phone so I'm finally getting some data and I don't want to spend a whole lot.
Regardless, the X2 does look pretty awesome and I'm definitely interested. However, I don't know when or if Rogers will offer it. Is there any conformation on information like so? I think the X2 was released in Europe a few weeks ago if my research proves correct.

grantran said:
First off, I guess its obvious a lot of the users who browse this board would recommend the X1. My hope is that I can get some honest opinions on whether or not you guys would still invest in a X1 if you didn't have it currently.
I'm in Canada and I'm looking for a phone from my local retailer (in this case Rogers). Since I'm not just buying any unlocked phone, I don't have that many options. Its the X1, HTC Diamond of iPhone. iPhone's functions are great but I just dislike the look very much. The X1 is looking good in both appearance and cost for me.
I'm also a bit intimidated about all the customization for the X1. It's great that there are so many options but I don't know where to start. If someone can point me off in the right direction (in terms of what to install, what are must have ROMs / apps) that would be great. Especially all this WM6.1/6.5/6.5.1 I hear buzzing around.
Any help would be great appreciated.
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I love my X1, but it has old software by default. If you are into ROM flashing that isn't a problem, but if you aren't, you'll likely be happier with a Touch Pro 2.
How much are they selling it for? If it is at the same price of the iPhone 3GS, then get the iPhone, sell it as new on ebay and have enough money to buy 2 X1s.

before You'll get one read sticky about cracking. this device have a serious issue with plastic elements of housing cracking and chipping without any real reason. don't let any fool convince You, that it's a problem of only some units. most units are/will be affected. x2 however might be better, as it was built by foxconn, rather than htc.

if you can get new one less than 300$ then go for it

hi im new to all smartphones in general (live in poland and we have third world providers here )
got dilema since my contract is soon to be expired and got proposals for cheap but long contract extension (kinda normal here) phones.
Ill write what i can get :
-omnia
-xperia x1
-htc touch dual
-htc magic
-htc diamond
here is my dilema - x1 or magic
x1 comes with 4 gig sd (magic with nothing)
x1 is kinda older but when i look at hardware of lets say x2 its almost identical hence i hope for updates for x1
for magic speaks android (but new droid phones will have 1gig procesors wich worries me about its updates)
please speak from expirience.
Ill not use internet heavely (costs in orange network are radiculous) more like for IM's besides i can download apps via pc - ill be into flashing roms and stuff since i love to customize my phones.
so please be honest and no i cant afford any other phone since it would mean around 500$ and im poor bastard
cheers

If those are your options the xperia is by far the best! Okay the Omnia might not be a bad option, but I wouldn't consider the rest as in the same category.
EDIT: Magic would actually be a better choice in my opinion than Omnia, but I am still more favorable to WinMo... For now. If you don't have an affinity to Windows Mobile then the Magic might be a good choice. I prefer X1 for high res screen too. Makes for awesome Web browsing.

based on the choices you have, the x1 seems to be the better option. The new roms here make the x1 a much much better phone than out of the box so dont worry about it's initial performance once you get it. I mean after flashing a good rom, it's like having a new fone again...
Also, the x1 seems to be the only one with the keyboard amongst your other choices and for me that's a huge advantage!! I guess i'm just not made for full touch screen usage, i make too many errors typing...the next advantage would be the wvga resolution, awesome for watching movies (of course those formatted for wvga, there's a tool here to format)...

I just got my X1 last week, unlocked for $300 AUD, and after flashing a few roms its easy to find a happy place. I think its a pretty sweet device, and it can still fight it out with the newer phones.
Of the rest I've had a go at the Omnia, magic and also a touch HD, although the touch HD is pretty much the same except with no keyboard etc. I don't really like the Omnia's screen, so I would go for the Magic, the cloud concept seems pretty appealing, and its pretty slick.

sorry double post

ok so here is essential question :
Do i NEED to unlock x1 to be able to flash it etc?
Coz im long time orange user and dont plant to change it any time soon so its not nessesary for me.
as for android it has an app that blocks gprs and stuff is there simmilar thing for x1?
as for all these choices i only considered magic (for android) and experia for overall keyboard and screen that makes me horny also the camera soft on SE is allways better.
Tbh its like rollercoaster lol 1 day i want x1 more next day want magic lol
besides 1 more important thing is for it to be able to withstand 3 year contract

No you don't need to unlock it from a network to flash it, as far as I know.
I actually think, IMO, Magic has the better still camera, but I've never tried them both in same conditions. Video on X1 is much better though, even more so if you get a X1i. Also camera without a dedicated button (the Magic is missing one) can be a bit irritating.
As for apps, I think you can be covered for anything.
X1 is getting old, so 3 years might be a stretch, how much would you pay for the phone through a plan? Might be better to just buy it outright?
Also, X1 has the 3.5mm jack, and the usb port is in much better position for typing. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) the Magic has a non-mini-b port, and I have loads of those laying around, so more convenient

well you see the thing is i would get it for a 1pln lol (about 1/3 of a usd ) just becose im long withthem and its a long plan. i have no cash at all
with magic it would be the same.
so You see my point its the first time in history lol when they allow me to have PDA like phone and i dont want to get stuck on something that will be tottal crap in 1 year

FYI, the Sony XPeria X1 is only $99 from Rogers on a 3 year term. This is a fantastic price, since it was $299 on a 3 year term last week. I'm thinking of getting the X1 now, especially since I've heard that the Motorola Droid won't be coming to Rogers.

reassor said:
well you see the thing is i would get it for a 1pln lol (about 1/3 of a usd ) just becose im long withthem and its a long plan. i have no cash at all
with magic it would be the same.
so You see my point its the first time in history lol when they allow me to have PDA like phone and i dont want to get stuck on something that will be tottal crap in 1 year
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The X1 is a much higher end looking device, and will at least look good for quite a long time . The Magic on the other hand already looks old. OS wise, Android is ahead of MS in terms of GUI.
With all that being said, if you have a lot of time on your hands to tinke you'll like the X1, it is like a mini computer. The magic imo has less upgrade-ability due to its low ROM size. Eitherway, you'll likely be happy as this is your first smartphone and you have nothing to compare it too.

Lots of good info in this thread. I've almost exclusively used Symbian/S60/UIQ up until this point and have been thinking of getting a nice and relatively cheap WinMo device to get me up to speed in the WinMo world and help me tide over until the X10 hits the scene in 2 months.
There are a couple of <6 month old X1s available around where I live for a shade over US$200. Do you think that's the correct price to pay? Frankly, I'm surprised at the amount of depreciation over the past 12 months. Other phones that used to cost about $800 (TouchHD etc) have held on to their value while the X1's has just plummeted.
Anyways, the X1s that I played with were in pristine condition but I'm concerned about the cracks problem. What do you reckon would be a good approximation for a baseline production date from where the cracks problem was resolved? I tried searching through the sticky thread on the problem but couldn't really find anything specific since most people haven't posted the production dates of their X1s.

Just to tell you, the X10 is an android phone

I'd forget the X1... sure you might get an 09 batch with no case cracking issues but another common problem is that the keyboard gets sticky and soon your space bar becomes very unresponsive.
Better of getting a full touch screen phone.
X1 for me was one big bad purchase and yes I do flash the latest ROMS.

sticking to the x1 or moving on?

hi, i love my x1. but i must say its outdated compared to the snap dragon "processed" phones showing up. like the htc hd 2. I adore the idea of the htc hd 2 but i would like my phone to have a hardware qwerty keyboard, sufficient ram and rom, a good camera and of coz a snap dragon processor. p.s. i would like a optical track pad.
i am not upgrading to the hd 2 cuz, of the missing hardware. plus, its the first capacitive screen winmo device, surely the ones that follow will over come the flaws of the first. plus, unlike most, i don't like the idea of such a huge screen. 3.5 is more than enough.
nor am i upgrading to the x2. only difference between that and the x1 is a better camera... not worth it.
and as for omnia 2, no qwerty keyboard, and even worse, no xda support.
so here is my inquiry, which phone have u got ur eyes on and why?
i got mine on the LG monaco. Perfect hardware, but im guessin no xda support since its not htc affiliated.

Ill be sticking with my X1 until the next 3 years or until it breaks. It does everything I need it to do, and I can use the money for upgrading to a new phone to do crack instead.

haha thats always an option.

after spending so much money on winmo apps and games i dont think im gonna leave winmo anytime soon, and the only device keeping me here is the xperia, the x1 keyboard is such a head twister and eye turner, people still go wow when i slide my keyboard out lol...if i dont get the silver x2, i will be buying a silver body for my x1

I'm moving to HD2 .. I don't use keyboard that much, and I came from Palm, so X1 has tiny screen for my taste. Also the fact it simply can't play common AVI, as my old T5 could, drives me crazy.
I too invested into software, and Android is still too young (IMHO), so I will stay on WM yet one more device.
Actually main problems with HD2 at the moments are camera and SMS .. there is generally no problem with the screen.

haha no doubt abt that; the x1 is a head turner. it gets more attention, than kate bekinsale's ass. (i dont mean that literally, more attention than that would be impossible).
but is it really worth the upgrade?... in Malaysia, where i am now, the hd 2 costs around RM2600, which if you convert is 760 USD or 463 pounds. Is it really worth paying that much for a 1ghz process and a capacitive screen?
in my opinion, the 448ram on hd 2 is over kill. i have abt 120mb free on average on my x1 with manila running. opening 15 random apps and i still have 90+ mb free.
not saying that its not a lust to have that amazing screen and that beasty speed, or if some one were to offer it to me id take it without thinkin twice? but essentially its x1 with sugar coating.... a lot of sugar.
and p.s. htc has never been known for their camers, so i wouldnt put much faith on the htc hd 2's camera. and from the latest phones by htc, its the forst to actually have a flash.
ps ur missing video call camera in the front. just my opinion.

Thinking of Buying a Xperia X1 what do you guys think of it?

Thinking of Buying a Xperia X1 what do you guys think of it? In terms of build quality and durability as well as everything else.

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Thinking of Buying a Xperia X1 what do you guys think of it? In terms of build quality and durability as well as everything else.
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Its good, but had i been in ur place, i wud reconsider X1 for X2..X2 is better actually..but u take the pic..

The X2 does look good...but the X1 is a fantastic machine. Plus the price now is a lot cheaper than when first launched. The only problem I can foresee is trying to find a new one...I could be wrong of course

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The X2 does look good...but the X1 is a fantastic machine. Plus the price now is a lot cheaper than when first launched. The only problem I can foresee is trying to find a new one...I could be wrong of course
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You can buy one here in Poland.

If I were in your shoes i wouldnt bother. Im on my 4th Xperia in 13 months!
I cannot comment on the X2 but personally would wait for the X10 or choose the new nokia.
My own opinion
To give advice i would suggest to stay away from SE until they get their act together.

If i'd buy a phone today, it'd be the HD2... sure no hardware QWERTY, but with that 4.3" screen you get one hell of a on screen keyboard.. =)
Other than that it's so much more powerful and has more features..

I've had my Xperia X1 since February, and the only problem I've had with it was the slight wearing out of most-used keys on the keyboard. And even that was replaced when I sent it in to SE Repair.
If you want an Xperia, and you'd rather go with a device that has a lot of support and is much, much cheaper, I'd say the X1 is a good idea for you. I plan on selling my black X1i (lightly used, I figure 300ish isn't bad) and getting the X2a when it comes out, for US 3G support, because I absolutely love the new keyboard and design. Plus I just like keeping up on mobile phones

well, since you've asked about build quality and durability - stay away! i own this phone 11 months and it's been in repair for 2 months and 1 week...
you can read in this forum about it:
- hw-keyb deteriorates over time (buttons either don't work or act like pressed 3 times)
- cracks in case
- battery cover (black) scratches very easy
- buttons under the screen lose their shiny finish through usage
- in my case a part of the touch-monitors most upper layer faded (no scratch!)
- monitor cable inside also seems prown to be faulty
also it doesn't get any software-updates anymore. "final" firmware dates from march 2009. and there are still bugs left, especially in performance (lag when playing it's own videos...) i've read somewhere that the new x2-panels don't work on x1 officially. x1-panels are too few to make good use of them.
and if you want to use custom roms (with manila) or the goodies from x2 be prepared for a neverending story of flashing, bug-fixing and waiting for new releases by the cooks. cooking yourself is even more time-consuming.
at the moment stay away from SE. and if you don't want to spend the money for something like a hd2, i'd recommend an htc touch pro 2. same hardware as x1, but a better software-foundation than the x1. plus manila and official update to winmo 6.5.

Well, buy it if you like it.
My Xperia works since Dec 2008 and it's the best SE phone I ever had.
The crack appeared when device hit the floor hard.
So for me build quality is good.
As for HTC TPro 2 - well, as for "software foundation" there's no difference between this and X1.
Some people love TF3D, some - like me - don't and I just love panels.
In reverse HTC has ****ty hardware buttons while SE gives you all the options.
So in the end it's all about subtle differences.
For me the whole X1 concept works.

caliban is saying everything you´ll need to know..
nice phone,crappy quality
some Plastic will kill your Fun ,believe me
-a lot of problems....
save a little bit more of money and buy a touch pro 2....
oh...and forget to buy some other SE Devices...big company,big quality problems at the moment,dood !

If I were in your shoes I'd get the LG Expo or HD2. Caliban is accurate above but I actually think the X1 is a very good device - after tweaking my only big complaint is the sluggishness - it just can't be fixed. Pretty soon all software will be designed for Snapdragon or faster processors, so I would jump on that bandwagon.

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The X2 does look good...but the X1 is a fantastic machine. Plus the price now is a lot cheaper than when first launched. The only problem I can foresee is trying to find a new one...I could be wrong of course
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Do not get it. Just don't. It's a phone that comes to be luxurious and high-end. But it ages it quickly.