I have an orange uk Dolphin 35 contract that I took out and got the original HTC Touch (2G)
I have now got a diamond that obvioulsly is 3G capable but Orange refuse to update my SIM card.
Has anybody else experienced something similar and did you get it fixed
You're not the only person I've heard say this. I remember reading a very similar thread on here a while ago. Good luck hope you manage to get it sorted.
What about instead of asking for a new Sim, you call tech support and make out you are unable to make a video call to a friend/family.
As you would require 3G to make video calls, they may suggest they update your sim.
sbonera said:
What about instead of asking for a new Sim, you call tech support and make out you are unable to make a video call to a friend/family.
As you would require 3G to make video calls, they may suggest they update your sim.
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Tried something similar - they just said you have a 2G contract so you can't!!!
did you really think the rom update would also update your SIM?????
i guess you didnt upgrade to the diamond through orange then... bought the diamond sim free?? would it not have been cheaper to u/g?
I don't think i mentioned upgradeing the rom - and no i don't think that a ROM upgrade would change my SIM.
no a ROM upgrade would not be cheaper - it cost me £40! And I cannot u/g until July.
So thank you for you helpful post!!!!
guess you have had it till july then.
if you took out a 2g contract thats what you get.
why should they upgrade you to 3g.that would cost them more.
It won't cost Orange anything to upgrade his SIM - data is data. They are just being awkward. I had the very same thing with O2 a couple of years ago so I called them and told them my sim was no longer working and they sent me a new one provisioned correctly for 3g. I'd be very surprised that if Orange sent you a new card that it wasn't provisioned for 3G.
orange are really awkward like that. just tell em your phone wont start, keeps asking you for a sim card even though there is already one in the phone. Blag it.
they did the same thing to me when i got a SE k608i years ago too.
of course it would cost more.
if hes got 3g he will download more.
Hi I work for orange and im afraid if you have a 2g phone registered to your account then orange will only supply you with a 2g sim card it doesn’t matter if you have purchased a 3g phone.
well said
people always seem to want something for nothing.
964rs777 said:
of course it would cost more.
if hes got 3g he will download more.
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You are talking rubbish!
If i download more i pay more - i dont have an unlimited contract! Orange don't do them (nit at a sensible price anyway)
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well said
people always seam to want something for nothing.
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Ok!
I dont think I want anything for nothing! I have been with Orange for about 8 years! and always paid them quite a lot for the pleasure.
Orange Dolphin 35 is the same contract whether you have a 2G or 3G phone. No difference - same price. just because I didnt upgrade with them they won't do it and the only reason I didn't upgrade with them is because I committed to a 2 year contract and it is too early (how loyal am I - well not anymore!)
orange dont do them!!!
well in that case how come i have unlimited data contract with orange?
thought everyone with diamond had one.
guess its just tuff **** then lol.
just to make you even more sick i get 600 minutes,unlimited text,
unlimited data.got the phone free and got a sony psp free.
all for £35 a month.
sometimes you have just got to love orange.
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orange dont do them!!!
well in that case how come i have unlimited data contract with orange?
thought everyone with diamond had one.
guess its just tuff **** then lol.
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What contract/bundle do you have (cost?)
Orange were offering unlimited data a couple of months ago on new contracts - I have unlimited data on my Dolphin 35, but they stopped it soon after.
If you're close to the end of your contract then just speak to retentions.
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What contract/bundle do you have (cost?)
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updated previous answer.
thought about it after lol.
Orange where offering the unlimited data on most talk plans in july. i must say they call it unlimited but it is subject to a 3gb limit a month.
I just got in with Orange's free unlimited download offer, as long as you had 18 month contract for £35 or more per month. I got Racoon 35. It is ridiculous and incredibly shortsighted of Orange to offer better terms to new customers than existing ones - reminds me of the Nationwide ads running at the moment on UK TV.
How long does your existing contract have left to run? Orange, like all of the other mobile providers in the UK, have a special team to encourage you to stay with them. That team are able to offer much better deals than any one else in the organisation in order to keep you.
I would phone Orange and then hit the Option for "thinking of leaving us", and speak to that team. Tell them you are so annoyed by this policy that the moment you can you are going to leave them. Sound like you really mean it but do not be rude or lose your temper - after all you want them on your side!
Remember that if you do leave in the UK you can ALWAYS move your existing phone number (I have moved mine 3 times now) to a new provider and you will get some very good SIM only deals from them all
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1) I heard some news a while back that three different Kaisers were submitted to the FCC; one was the full Kaiser as we know it, another had the front camera removed, and the third had something else removed as well (I think it was the rear camera). Does anyone know which of these three will be released as the 8925?
2) Does AT&T usually install bloatware with their ROMs? If so, could I flash an 8925 with a TYTN II ROM or would that run a risk of bricking the device?
3) if I decide to buy the 8925, it'll be without a contract. Still though, I'm wary. See, I'm currently using an unlocked HTC p3300 (Artemis), even though I'm still successfully using a "MEdia Max" smartphone data plan grandfathered back when I had a windows mobile smartphone, to get full internet access at a lower cost. I just slipped the simcard into the p3300 when I bought it and used the internet as I always did. I'd like to continue to operate 'under the radar' so to speak, but I'm afraid it won't go so smoothly this time if I buy a device straight from AT&T. Does anyone know if AT&T does some sort of owner / device lookup when you buy a new phone, to ensure you're using the "correct" service? In this case, they might force me to go with a PDA data plan, which costs twice as much - something I'd rather not do!
4) Will the kaiser's usage of HSDPA trigger a 'red flag' on this "Media Max" smartphone data plan I have and incur all sorts of extra charges? Or are there other smartphones out on the AT&T market already that feature HSDPA?
On 3), I posed a similar question a while ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324535
In that thread someone suggests the best option is to tell the AT&T rep when you buy the 8925 that you just want to keep your existing plan 'as is'. Hopefully that will work!
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On 3), I posed a similar question a while ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324535
In that thread someone suggests the best option is to tell the AT&T rep when you buy the 8925 that you just want to keep your existing plan 'as is'. Hopefully that will work!
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The easiest way if the ATT rep gives you a problem is to tell them you dont want any data plan, then go on the online account manager and add the MediaMax Plan yourself. And if the online manager does not list the MediaMax due to your phone being a PDA and not a phone (this happens sometimes but not usually) then borrow a friends phone (or in my case go to the closet and pick a random phone that is collecting dust) and transfer SIM and wait for ATT online to think you have a phone and then the feature for MediaMax will appear.
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The easiest way if the ATT rep gives you a problem is to tell them you dont want any data plan, then go on the online account manager and add the MediaMax Plan yourself. And if the online manager does not list the MediaMax due to your phone being a PDA and not a phone (this happens sometimes but not usually) then borrow a friends phone (or in my case go to the closet and pick a random phone that is collecting dust) and transfer SIM and wait for ATT online to think you have a phone and then the feature for MediaMax will appear.
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Interesting - so if you pop your SIM card into another phone, the system will automatically update to reflect this other phone? I always figured it just showed you the last phone you purchased....
I always just tell the AT&T rep that this is a gift for a girlfriend, and when you get home, just pop in your old sim... No harm no foul. Worked for me.
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I always just tell the AT&T rep that this is a gift for a girlfriend, and when you get home, just pop in your old sim... No harm no foul. Worked for me.
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hahah that's a good one!
although frankly i think hell will freeze over before any female will be caught lugging one of these big old HTC devices around..
demione said:
hahah that's a good one!
although frankly i think hell will freeze over before any female will be caught lugging one of these big old HTC devices around..
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We are waiting for the ladies to flame this guy. To add to it.....
I was on a plane and saw this business lady with her IBM laptop working on a spreadsheet and next to it was her 8525. She looked at a contact and then put it down on the tray table. The screen looked like she impaled it with her tweezers. It was such a stereo type moment to see such disrespect for such a high quality piece of electronics.
Are you wanting to buy it at the 2yr contract pricing? Or are you buying it at full retail(no commitment) pricing? If you want to buy it full retail, I would most definitely buy an unlocked phone elsewhere. If you're wanting the discount, you can buy the phone, sign the contract and then if you're made to switch your plan, take an old phone, call up CS and tell them you want to change your IMEI and also switch to the 19.99 Media Max plan. It's really that simple. As far as them flagging your account for HSDPA usage(I've never seen something like that in the 4 yrs I've worked for att/cingular), if you get ridiculous ie over 100mb's then you may need to worry, but to be perfectly honest with you, if you put your sim in a phone...they can tell what kind it is...doesn't matter if you call in to change the IMEI or not. If you need more details, feel free to PM me.
i didn't wait...i'm using my Tytn II w/Smartphone Connect data plan as I had been with my Trinity for the last year. this includes tethering with data usage averaging 600MB+ per month over the last 9 months. i purchased a 3125 from ATT last Sep/Oct and got the Smartphone data plan at that time... wifey has the phone now and i'm using the SIM with my Tytn II. it's my experience that tethering will connect using HSDPA by default and work down to UMTS and/or Edge if the faster services are not available... so far no issues with MaMa Bell (a.k.a., ATT)....
The phone was released on 26 Sep afternoon.
Just ordered mine. Delivery on Fri. There were 15 left when I placed the call, none 5 minutes later.
Spoke to the cancellations department, or whatever is called.
Yep, 6 left when i called, delivery tommorrow...
Ooo, maybe that means I'll actually get mine today rather than another Compact III. I await in anticipation!
no mention
there is no mention of this on the tmobile website,
i will happily give my hermes300 away when i get this
Cheers for the heads up, mine will be here before 1pm tommorow
Just spoken to T-mobile uk to get an upgrade and they wouldn't even give me a price as "it's not out until October"
How have people managed to find someone who says different?
same here - thanks for the heads up Dan!
Read this thread last night at about midnight and thought I might have missed the boat, but phoned up new connections this morning at around 9am and ordered mine (think they said they had about 45 or so in stock at the time).
PAC code activated and delivery before 1pm tomorrow... woo hoo!
Goodbye Orange and thanks for all the erm.... (oh yeah... not a lot!!! )
I'm tempted to upgrade to this (even though i've bought a standalone Kaiser in the meantime) then just flog it on e-bay
Called a couple times this morning said they were out of stock until October !
Called back the guy said he just had an email and they got more stock so Ive ordered mine, coming before 1pm tomorrow.
What prices did you guys pay? I paid £80 on a 18 month with free eves & weekends, I was promised £60 on a 12 month contract but wanted the order to hurry and go through so ill call back and argue that...lol
Also what tarifs and deals did you get?
wow that sounds really cheap :O
I wonder how much the upgrade price will be....
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wow that sounds really cheap :O
I wonder how much the upgrade price will be....
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That was the upgrade price ! normal price is £280
Xerxes8933a said:
Goodbye Orange and thanks for all the erm.... (oh yeah... not a lot!!! )
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LOL you won't be saying that once you try the service
I'm considering changing to T-Mobile myself for the cheaper calls and unlimited data but to be honest I've had several business phones with them and my girlfriend and sister in law are with them and the signal often disappears in places you'd never expect it.
If you're always close to town then it probably isn't a problem but I don't think their coverage is anything like they advertise
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LOL you won't be saying that once you try the service
I'm considering changing to T-Mobile myself for the cheaper calls and unlimited data but to be honest I've had several business phones with them and my girlfriend and sister in law are with them and the signal often disappears in places you'd never expect it.
If you're always close to town then it probably isn't a problem but I don't think their coverage is anything like they advertise
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I can vouch for that! It does depend on the phone to a certain extent, but their coverage is far from the best. Luckily it's good enough around where I live and work to not cause an issue, but there are places close-by that have horrible reception.
I'm with T-Mobile for their tariffs, not their coverage!
My T-Mobile MDA Vario III should be here tomorrow as well.
Im on Flext 20, and paid £30 to upgrade.
Why? They owed me one. Or 250!
Hmmm I wonder how much they'll go for on e-bay etc....
TechXL said:
LOL you won't be saying that once you try the service
I'm considering changing to T-Mobile myself for the cheaper calls and unlimited data but to be honest I've had several business phones with them and my girlfriend and sister in law are with them and the signal often disappears in places you'd never expect it.
If you're always close to town then it probably isn't a problem but I don't think their coverage is anything like they advertise
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Heh...
If Orange spent as much time and effort in providing a decent (and courteous) level of customer care as they do on thinking up silly animal names for talk plans then I might still be with them (it's a long story... ).
Thankfully, I live and spend most of my time in one of the bigger cities here in the UK so I can't imagine there being too many problems with getting/holding a signal (well no more than I experienced with Orange in certain areas).
Besides I have 14 days to play with it and if it really sucks that bad they can have it back
I've been waiting for these to arrive on T-Mobile so I can move across from O2. Went into the local T-Mobile shop today and they said not in yet, but have taken my phone number and will call me when they get them.
In the meantime, I went across the road to the O2 shop, to just check what they can offer me (clearly not a Kaiser, as they don't so them... yet). They guy in the shop said, "yes T-mobile have had better data plans for a long time, but I would highly recommend waiting until Monday, as we are announcing some new plans that include unlimited data, and they will put T-mobile to shame... and I've been waiting for a LONG time to say that... and thought it might never happen! We also have new phones being released, but I can't say anything more."
Not sure what he means, but I will now wait for Monday and hope he isn't just pulling my leg and spouting marketing speak, but he seemed genuinely excited by it all!
I don't think they will have the kaiser, so I will probably still go with T-Mobile, but I do like O2 all the same! And being with them for 9 years should mean I get a good discount on any tariff I pick with them. But any ideas how I could get the Kaiser onto O2 at a reasonable price.
Should I get a "no-phone tariff" and buy it unlocked? Or should I get the most expensive (and re-saleable) phone I can from them, and flog it on Ebay to fund my unlocked Kaiser. Or should I dump O2 and move to T-mobile and be done with it?
The comments here about poor network coverage on T-Mobile worry me, and the O2 guy said the same (albeit, he would wouldn't he!), and boasted about the strength of the O2 network. I certainly seem to get signal everywhere with O2! (except inside my house! but T-Mobile are no better in my house either!)
Decisions, Decisions....
Mike
xpcomputers said:
I've been waiting for these to arrive on T-Mobile so I can move across from O2. Went into the local T-Mobile shop today and they said not in yet, but have taken my phone number and will call me when they get them.
In the meantime, I went across the road to the O2 shop, to just check what they can offer me (clearly not a Kaiser, as they don't so them... yet). They guy in the shop said, "yes T-mobile have had better data plans for a long time, but I would highly recommend waiting until Monday, as we are announcing some new plans that include unlimited data, and they will put T-mobile to shame... and I've been waiting for a LONG time to say that... and thought it might never happen! We also have new phones being released, but I can't say anything more."
Not sure what he means, but I will now wait for Monday and hope he isn't just pulling my leg and spouting marketing speak, but he seemed genuinely excited by it all!
I don't think they will have the kaiser, so I will probably still go with T-Mobile, but I do like O2 all the same! And being with them for 9 years should mean I get a good discount on any tariff I pick with them. But any ideas how I could get the Kaiser onto O2 at a reasonable price.
Should I get a "no-phone tariff" and buy it unlocked? Or should I get the most expensive (and re-saleable) phone I can from them, and flog it on Ebay to fund my unlocked Kaiser. Or should I dump O2 and move to T-mobile and be done with it?
The comments here about poor network coverage on T-Mobile worry me, and the O2 guy said the same (albeit, he would wouldn't he!), and boasted about the strength of the O2 network. I certainly seem to get signal everywhere with O2! (except inside my house! but T-Mobile are no better in my house either!)
Decisions, Decisions....
Mike
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Do they put T-Mobile to shame?. I think not.
Note 200MB fair use policy! LOL!
O2 launches unlimited data packages
12:56AM Thu 27 September 2007
O2 will launch unlimited data downloads on 1 October for its prepay and contract customers for £7.50 a month.
The package is for users wanting to browse the internet and send emails and comes with a fair usage policy that offers around 200MB a month, which is equivalent to around 1,400 web pages.
The service is the same price as T-Mobile's Web'n'Walk package, which gives users 1GB of usage a month.
The network will also launch O2 Web Max for customers who want to connect their handset to a PC or use a data card. This costs £30 a month and comes with 3GB of usage a month.
Business customers have also been targeted by O2 with a service called Unlimited BlackBerry. This gives users unlimited access to the internet on BlackBerry with a fair usage policy of 200MB at £10 a month. It is aimed at customers who want to browse the web while their email is pushed to their handset via the BlackBerry service.
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/content/16929.asp?men=2&sub=6
congratulations to all of you in europe! hopefully the AT&T version will hit the uS soon.
Hey y'all,
I'm about to go to Australia for uni.. and i know my question is very much opinion based BUUUUT what company should i get my sim from ? which one offers the best things to ppl that study or dont have too much money?
would appreciate any help... !! Thanks aaaa lot !!
T3ku
How r ya mate. check out.
www.optus.com.au
and
http://www.telstra.com.au/
there the two big 1's
I'm with Telstra as they offer the best coverage and the fact that they give me data connections without costing alot is great so i can use my hd and laptop to use the net.
Vodafone give you great deals to, $29 and you get $150 of calls but i still think the Telstra one is better. When i was the vodafone one, they charge you around 50 cents per 30 seconds or something which is bull****.
Telstra with 40 bucks gives you 9000 seconds which is counted in 10 second increments i think. Also 150 free SMS and you can use that $40 to buy yourself extra calls or data.
Awesome!! Thanks for the replies...I'll check them out n take your comments into consideration..!!
Thanks again!!
Daniel
Au Mobile carriers
T3ku said:
Awesome!! Thanks for the replies...I'll check them out n take your comments into consideration..!!
Thanks again!!
Daniel
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Hi Daniel.
I quit Telstra 10 years ago because of poor service and hi cost.
Was with Vodafone for a long time but got a bill for $600 when I went over my plan last year. Voda don't let you know promptly and accurately where you stand with your usage, (easy to go over without knowing). Got no satisfaction from Voda and switched to Virgin.
Never tried Optus apart from prepaid.
Coverage is on par with Voda.
Virgin use the Optus network but give better rates and low cost data.
I went over my plan late last year and received a courtesy text to let me know. I had a very minor increase for going over substantially.
Am very happy with Virgin.
Good to hear different opinions !!!
Thanks a lot.
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Good to hear different opinions !!!
Thanks a lot.
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Been with Vodafone, Virgin then Three. Of these carriers I found Three to be the best for my needs. (e.g. cheap)
They have cheap caps and data usage costs are the lowest of all the carriers.
Only hitch is coverage. If you are in a metropolitan area you'll have no issues, but out of metro/low coverage areas you'll roam to Telstra's network and pay thru the @ss for the privilege of doing so.
Good place to start to compare the different plans available.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=943488
Three and Vodafone will likely be merging in Australia so this will affect prices & coverage.
Thanks Capeli ..
I started with a $10 per month/1GB plan with Virgin. Received two bills with about $1300 each in two different months. Managed both times to prove that I did not incur the usage as they claim. Be careful. They have ways to get you back big time. Now using Optus at twice the cost and same quota. Different billing system although the same company. No problem with Optus so far yet. If you want to research more on customer experiences with different Telco or evaluate different plans available, go here:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/
alright.. ill sure do some research first
thanks
Hey, so many Swiss come to AU for Uni.. like Dolph Lungdren he did Uni at Syd, anway just wondered why that is.
Vodaphone is best my friend. I have been with them all over 15years.
You can buy a SIM for $2 to start.
I'm on the $79 plan which gives you like $550 worth of calls, txt etc
I have not seen any other co. offer these sorta deals.
Telstra and Optus are known as the most expensive as they own everything telco related over here.
I guess you will need internet too, so I would strictly avoid Telstra & Optus for Broadband...
I think for $29 you get $150 worth of calls and text, which is awsome! on vodaphone.
I have only ever been over my $79 cap 1 time in 19mths, it costed me like $100, but you can easily dial 1512 to see how much you have used and how much left.. don't worry about that!
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Hey, so many Swiss come to AU for Uni.. like Dolph Lungdren he did Uni at Syd, anway just wondered why that is.
Vodaphone is best my friend. I have been with them all over 15years.
You can buy a SIM for $2 to start.
I'm on the $79 plan which gives you like $550 worth of calls, txt etc
I have not seen any other co. offer these sorta deals.
Telstra and Optus are known as the most expensive as they own everything telco related over here.
I guess you will need internet too, so I would strictly avoid Telstra & Optus for Broadband...
I think for $29 you get $150 worth of calls and text, which is awsome! on vodaphone.
I have only ever been over my $79 cap 1 time in 19mths, it costed me like $100, but you can easily dial 1512 to see how much you have used and how much left.. don't worry about that!
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How much download quota do you get for your phone plan?
x86 said:
Hey, so many Swiss come to AU for Uni.. like Dolph Lungdren he did Uni at Syd, anway just wondered why that is.
Vodaphone is best my friend. I have been with them all over 15years.
You can buy a SIM for $2 to start.
I'm on the $79 plan which gives you like $550 worth of calls, txt etc
I have not seen any other co. offer these sorta deals.
Telstra and Optus are known as the most expensive as they own everything telco related over here.
I guess you will need internet too, so I would strictly avoid Telstra & Optus for Broadband...
I think for $29 you get $150 worth of calls and text, which is awsome! on vodaphone.
I have only ever been over my $79 cap 1 time in 19mths, it costed me like $100, but you can easily dial 1512 to see how much you have used and how much left.. don't worry about that!
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I believe Mr. Lundgren is from Sweden xD a lot of ppl mix it up, so dont worry.
I will certainly compare and contrast all the different opinions u gave here... I'll even try to inform y'all on my final decision as soon as i signed with one of em..
Thanks again !
Hey everyone, It's been really interesting reading the comments here, especially regarding T-Mobile and their riduclous failure to release the phone properly. I have a question about my new upgrade to the TD2...
I am just finishing a contract with Orange - one of the reasons I went with them is because they always have the HTC handsets and I love them. I called up to ask if they were getting it in and told they didn't know. I then asked for my PAC code and the guy at retentions (whose job is to stop me leaving) asked me why. I informed him that I am extremely particular about which handset I get and T-Mobile have it whilst Orange don't. He then had the nerve to argue with me! He kept telling me that only Orange get HTC phones, it's an exclusive contract, etc. I calmly told him that it was an HTC phone that T-Mobile were getting but rebranded. Our conversation went something like:
"Why are you leaving Orange after 7 years?"
"Because I want the HTC Touch Diamond2 and you don't have it."
"Neither do T-Mobile."
"Yes, they do."
"No they don't." rolleyes
"Really, they do. It's called the MDA Compact 5."
"I'm looking at their website right now and it's not listed there"
"I know it isn't. But there are numerous press releases confirming it, not to mention I just spoke to them personally."
"Are you thinking of the G1?"
"NO. It's the HTC Diamond 2."
"Only Orange have HTC phones. It's exclusive."
...etc until I lost patience and told him that this was one of the reasons I was leaving Orange.
I have always been someone who attaches to a network directly rather than through a reseller, but I've discovered that some of these online places like MobilePhonesDirect do rather better deals for new contracts than the networks themselves do. I was thinking of the 18 month Combi 30 + WnW - the handset would be free which is better than T-Mob do themselves! (http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/HTC/b509/n447/p10957.aspx)
My question is, given that I'm giving up on 7 years-worth of loyalty bonuses, would it be better to go to T-Mob via MPD or go direct and pay more for the handset? Am I at any disadvantage from buying from a reseller?
Cheers for your help!
I left Orange aeons ago, after running with them for 18 months with my Tytn 1; their data packages were laughable then (4 pounds a month for 5MB) and although are better now, still pathetic compared to other operators. No idea why they don't sort out their attitudes towards data given the fact they carry internet phones.
Anyway, original question - a D2 off ebay is between £350-400; got mine for £380. I now have a 30 day rolling contract for £17 from O2 - 600 mins, 1200 texts, unlimited web. The maths doesn't support it really - you can get a D2 on a similar contract for £25 a month on a 24 month contract (£600 in total) - compared to my independantly bought handset and contract (£788 if carried for 24 months), I've shafted myself.
On the other hand, I was desparate for a new phone; I'd had a Kaiser for 18 months on T-Mobile (who 3 weeks ago said they would not be doing the HTC Diamond 2 (cretins for not knowing their Vario V is the D2)), and my credit checks wouldn't let me have the D2 on O2.
Also, this does mean I can get the next "must have" phone on contract instead of having to wait 2 years for an upgrade.
i got the touch diamond 2 for free on a 24month contract 600 minutes talk time any network and unlimited text any network for £25 a month its an O2 contract but arranged through i think it mobiles.co.uk just search for touch diamond 2 deals on google. Also first 7months are half price
Cool, thanks for the info. What I was wondering is if it makes any difference going through a reseller regarding upgrades. So, let's say I got an 18 month contract on T-Mobile via one of the reseller sites. Could I then call up T-Mobile and negotiate directly with them for a new contract and phone? And would it make a difference that I didn't originally go directly with them?
I had been a customer of O2 for 10 years when I decided to leave to get my mitts on a TD2.
The loyalty only goes so far so I wasn't too fussed to leave. I also had to jump networks to get the best deals from an online reseller (for some reason staying with the same provider yields much worse deals).
I had been on a £15pcm Simplicity tariff with the web bolt-on since my previous phone went out of contract.
I went with the 18 months T-Mobile Combi 30 + WnW plan from Mobilephonesdirect. Had it a month now and pleased as punch. A few advantages of going through a reseller (especially the mobilephones direct deal)
1 - The phone is unlocked and unbranded so when that Windows Mobile 6.5 goodness(?) is released as promised by HTC I won't have to wait and if in 17 months time I want to change provider then I can keep the phone and get a cheap SIM only tariff.
2 - The deals are more competitive. If I'd bought an unbranded TD2 outright and kept my O2 tariff I'd be paying over the odds compared to the "free" handset offered by MPD over the life of the contract. If I'd waited and gone with the T-Mobile version I'm pretty sure I'd be paying three figures for the handset.
3 - With MPDs £50 of accessories offer you can get a 16Gb card for £25 (Yes I know the fact that they charge £75 for it isn't the cheapest, but in real terms it still has only cost me £25 and I now have oodles of storage for MP3s, etc)
4 - My ongoing contract is directly with T-Mobile not MPD so I can start building some T-Mobile "loyalty"
TBH T-Mobile works better than O2 in some places and worse in others to the extent that I think they just about balance out. Just odd to get cut off in the car in places that weren't a problem and then be able to carry on in longstanding O2 blackspots!
My tuppence.
Niall
Informator said:
Hey everyone, It's been really interesting reading the comments here, especially regarding T-Mobile and their riduclous failure to release the phone properly. I have a question about my new upgrade to the TD2...
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"Only Orange have HTC phones. It's exclusive."
My question is, given that I'm giving up on 7 years-worth of loyalty bonuses, would it be better to go to T-Mob via MPD or go direct and pay more for the handset? Am I at any disadvantage from buying from a reseller?
Cheers for your help!
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Amazing isn't it... I bought my D2 from mobile phones direct and it's been a perfect experience so far. I actually ordered the phone on the day it came out and was absolutely amazed when it turned up next day, on a Saturday morning.
I'm on the Combi 30+ WnW and the account is with T-Mobile. It appeared on my existing T-Mobile account page on the web. I assume I'll start building loyalty with them again. The phone was free and there was £50 of freebies so bought 8GB card and car charger. ExpanSys charged £50 for the phone and no freebies.
It was rather amusing when I cancelled my old contact and got through to the inertible loyalty team. At least they were english. I tried to point out that I wasn't really leaving T-Mobile, just going sideways. And only did it because T-Mobile didn't (at the time) offer the phone.
So go for it!
Cheers, Rob.
I'm another happy MobilesPhonesDirect.com customer and the asnwer to your main question is yes: you will be a t-mobile customer like any other.
Tony
Wow! Thanks everyone so much for your responses, that's really helped me cement my choice. I really appreciate your feedback. On the strength of this I am going to purchase it on T-Mob via MPD as soon as my stupid PAC code comes through.
Thanks again!
Why not go through carphone warehouse and get the TD2 on orange
you wont loose your loyalty bonuses !!
i dont see what the issue is ?
carphone warehouse will do it for u on orange it will come unlocked to all netwoerks without the stupid operator branding. Am with orange and did mine at the carphone warehouse.
Good Luck buddy
There's no point me going through the Carphone Warehouse as they'd set me up with a new contract, which would defeat the point of having loyalty with Orange. For new contracts, T-Mobile definitely win with the TD2.
Having said all this, Orange did say they'll be launching the Touch Pro 2 soon, so there's always the option of getting that (hopefully free) then selling it on eBay and buying a sim-free TD2 instead. It never gets any easier to make choices, especially now that 18 months seems normal.
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What's the data plan like on Orange though?
When I was looking to jump ship and was looking at operators direct (as well as through resellers) I found Vodafone and Orange's websites to be almost cryptic as to what, if any, data bundles were included or available seperately.
Pretty useless when your wanting a phone that elevates itself to Smartphone status by virtue of it's many data using features!
When I bought via MPD I went with T-Mobile over the Voda offers purely for the better (and clearer explained...) data tariff. T-Mobile are certainly one of the more progressive operators when it comes to data, and who ever you get your TD2 from or through, be sure that to get the best from the handset you have a good voice AND data plan!
Though I have now learned that my last bill has £6odd on it for simply checking voicemail.......
Niall
A good point - Orange will throw in their data bundle if I stay with them, which at 500MB isn't as good as T-Mobile's 1GB but would be enough for my needs.
The question for me now is do I wait for Orange to give me a good deal and a Touch Pro I can sell, or jump ship to T-Mobile and risk ending up paying much more?
Decisions, decisions...
Informator said:
Wow! Thanks everyone so much for your responses, that's really helped me cement my choice. I really appreciate your feedback. On the strength of this I am going to purchase it on T-Mob via MPD as soon as my stupid PAC code comes through.
Thanks again!
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Ohh I gave up trying to transfer my PAC code across. It just too much like hard work as I was going from T-Mobile to T-Mobile. The process was request PAC code from T-Mobile, obtain a PAYG SIM with another provider, give them the PAC code and transfer the number to PAYG. Wait a while (!) and then go through the process again to transfer back to T-Mobile.
Of course, each time you want that PAC code they bamboozle you with crap and you'd have to work through the retentions team. They kept going on about end periods, charges etc (T-Mobile this is).
I was expecting to end up without a number at all!
All of this must be complete bull**** as I can see BOTH my accounts on T-Mobile web page so they are on the same computer system with the same provider.
In the end, I simply emailed/text all my friends with the new number. That was far less hassle.
It's things like this that still give the mobile providers a really bad name. Ohh and the fact that I had go through this pain with an Indian call centre at the start and they failed to transfer me three times to retentions.
And to further add salt into the wound, I rang up when I first got my new phone in T-Mobile and they said "Ohh, you can't cancel until 17th June without a charge as that's when the contract runs out". So I duly created a task in Outlook on 17th June to cancel and they said "But of course, you've just paid for another month"...
Charletons the lot of them! ;-)
Cheers, Rob.
goonerjae said:
Why not go through carphone warehouse and get the TD2 on orange
you wont loose your loyalty bonuses !!
i dont see what the issue is ?
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Because if they are anything like T-Mobile, this will be classed as a new contract.
Rob.
Informator said:
A good point - Orange will throw in their data bundle if I stay with them, which at 500MB isn't as good as T-Mobile's 1GB but would be enough for my needs.
The question for me now is do I wait for Orange to give me a good deal and a Touch Pro I can sell, or jump ship to T-Mobile and risk ending up paying much more?
Decisions, decisions...
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I think T-Mobile on Combi 30+ wnk is unlimited, fair use...
Rob.
Both Orange and T-Mobile are "unlimited", but last I checked thir fair use policy was 500MB for Orange, 1Gb for T-Mobile. (And 200MB for O2, out of interest.)
Hi,
I am looking to trade my T-mobile Nexus One for one which works on ATnT frequencies. I will be arriving in the US in 15 days, and will be residing in Troy, New York (zip 12180).
The bootloader has been unlocked, but otherwise there is no modification/damage whatsoever. The phone is around 20 days old. I've been using a screen protector on it from day 0, so no scratches at all.
Would anyone be interested in a switch?
Note: I am looking for a switch only, please; not interested in selling. I'd prefer that the switch happens in-person. I'll post photos of the phone if anyone is interested, but really, it's brand new, no damage at all
Cheers.
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Alternatively, if someone from India has that ATnT Nexus One and is willing to exchange in the next few days, that works out perfectly for me too. Note that in India, 3G will work on either ATT or T-Mobile Nexus One.
Just FYI, if you come to the states and don't have any credit history or SSN for the US, AT&T is going to charge you a HUGE "deposit" in order to open an account.
Whereas, T-Mobile will offer you a Contract Free plan without deposits, but no discounts on phones. This won't be an issue as you already have an N1.
You can get an Unlimited Everything plan (Minutes, Text and Data) for $79.99/mo.
Talderon said:
Just FYI, if you come to the states and don't have any credit history or SSN for the US, AT&T is going to charge you a HUGE "deposit" in order to open an account.
Whereas, T-Mobile will offer you a Contract Free plan without deposits, but no discounts on phones. This won't be an issue as you already have an N1.
You can get an Unlimited Everything plan (Minutes, Text and Data) for $79.99/mo.
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I would very much want to go for T-mobile. But the problem is, most students in my area will be using ATT. Then if I have tmo, no one will call me, or vice-versa
Also, ATT has some sort of agreement with my university (RPI) where they don't charge a steep deposit for students without SSN.
I did a lot of research, and found that tmo is perfect for me, but due to, let's say, "peer pressure", I'll have to go for ATT
just so you know, ATT does not have no contract plans like Tmo does, you will be stuck in a contract if you go the ATT route, unless ATT has changed their tactics recently.
I would definitely want to avoid ATnT, fervently. But, unlike here in India, in USA even incoming calls are charged, so if most people around me are on ATT, I will have to use that, right?
also, isnt there a student (college) discount for tmobile? Im pretty sure there is.
Blueman101 said:
also, isnt there a student (college) discount for tmobile? Im pretty sure there is.
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That's not the real issue.. The problem is the majority. Is there any way to get around it?
Also, my cousin who is already staying there will add me to a family plan of ATT, which will bring down my cost a bit.
Actually, I don't really need 3G at all.. But problem is, ATT will force it on to me
What is the reasoning behind wanting to change to ATT in the first place?
Blueman101 said:
What is the reasoning behind wanting to change to ATT in the first place?
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I'm currently in India, I will be coming to the US in 15 days. Because most of my seniors and students around my area are on ATnT, won't I have to use ATT? Otherwise no one would be able to call me without both of us incurring charge, except for nights and weekends.
Well if you are on tmo and call someone on att then you will be wasting minutes, but thats normal. My advise if you are still unsure what to do is use tmobile for a month(off contract) then if you needs are not set, either by using all your minutes or what have you, then trade your nexus one in for an att version. Why make a long term 2 year contract without testing the non contract option first.
Thank you Blueman101, nice idea By "off-contract", are you suggesting I go for prepaid? Or "Even More Plus" with Flexpay?
Blueman101 said:
Well if you are on tmo and call someone on att then you will be wasting minutes, but thats normal. My advise if you are still unsure what to do is use tmobile for a month(off contract) then if you needs are not set, either by using all your minutes or what have you, then trade your nexus one in for an att version. Why make a long term 2 year contract without testing the non contract option first.
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I don't think I'll be able to trade via the official HTC return channel.. I'll have to find a person who is willing to swap with me, right?
rohandhruva said:
Hi,
I am looking to trade my T-mobile Nexus One for one which works on ATnT frequencies. I will be arriving in the US in 15 days, and will be residing in Troy, New York (zip 12180).
The bootloader has been unlocked, but otherwise there is no modification/damage whatsoever. The phone is around 20 days old. I've been using a screen protector on it from day 0, so no scratches at all.
Would anyone be interested in a switch?
Note: I am looking for a switch only, please; not interested in selling. I'd prefer that the switch happens in-person. I'll post photos of the phone if anyone is interested, but really, it's brand new, no damage at all
Cheers.
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Alternatively, if someone from India has that ATnT Nexus One and is willing to exchange in the next few days, that works out perfectly for me too. Note that in India, 3G will work on either ATT or T-Mobile Nexus One.
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i may be interested, or rather a friend of mine has at ATT N1 and needs a TMO N1. Send me a PM if interested!
rohandhruva said:
Thank you Blueman101, nice idea By "off-contract", are you suggesting I go for prepaid? Or "Even More Plus" with Flexpay?
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I was suggest the Even More Plus, whether you use flexpay or not is your choice.
rohandhruva said:
I don't think I'll be able to trade via the official HTC return channel.. I'll have to find a person who is willing to swap with me, right?
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Yeah, trading with another person is probably what you will end up doing.
Glad I could help and welcome (in 15 days) to The States.
mcgoo99 said:
i may be interested, or rather a friend of mine has at ATT N1 and needs a TMO N1. Send me a PM if interested!
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Thanks! Sent you a PM.
Blueman101 said:
I was suggest the Even More Plus, whether you use flexpay or not is your choice.
Yeah, trading with another person is probably what you will end up doing.
Glad I could help and welcome (in 15 days) to The States.
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Thank you very much, for both the welcome and the help
Before you do so, consider this in your decision.
- T-Mobile has unlimited data plan and free tethering atm while Att doesn't.
- T-Mobile has cheaper plans that att. Although ATT to T-Mobile phone calls aren't free, there is a certain amount of minutes in your plan you can use during peak hours or calling other phones from another carrier. I don't think you'll go over 500-700 minutes chit chatting with your pals that's what text msgs are for.
- T-Mobile HSDPA (if theres coverage) so depending on your location is faster than att 3G.
rohandhruva said:
Hi,
I am looking to trade my T-mobile Nexus One for one which works on ATnT frequencies. I will be arriving in the US in 15 days, and will be residing in Troy, New York (zip 12180).
The bootloader has been unlocked, but otherwise there is no modification/damage whatsoever. The phone is around 20 days old. I've been using a screen protector on it from day 0, so no scratches at all.
Would anyone be interested in a switch?
Note: I am looking for a switch only, please; not interested in selling. I'd prefer that the switch happens in-person. I'll post photos of the phone if anyone is interested, but really, it's brand new, no damage at all
Cheers.
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Cross post of this on market: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7247948
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Alternatively, if someone from India has that ATnT Nexus One and is willing to exchange in the next few days, that works out perfectly for me too. Note that in India, 3G will work on either ATT or T-Mobile Nexus One.
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rjhay22 said:
Before you do so, consider this in your decision.
- T-Mobile has unlimited data plan and free tethering atm while Att doesn't.
- T-Mobile has cheaper plans that att. Although ATT to T-Mobile phone calls aren't free, there is a certain amount of minutes in your plan you can use during peak hours or calling other phones from another carrier. I don't think you'll go over 500-700 minutes chit chatting with your pals that's what text msgs are for.
- T-Mobile HSDPA (if theres coverage) so depending on your location is faster than att 3G.
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Thank you. As a student, I don't think I'll be able to afford data/3G on my phone at all, and neither do I really need it. My only intention in switching to ATnT Nexus One is that if ATnT forces a data plan onto me, I'll be able to utilise it. But if there was a way to avoid a data plan altogether, I'd much rather prefer that!
Hmm yes you do have a point that 500 minutes won't be depleted, and I can talk during the off-peak hours. I think I need to re-evaluate my decision. Sigh, this is confusing!
rohandhruva said:
Thank you. As a student, I don't think I'll be able to afford data/3G on my phone at all, and neither do I really need it. My only intention in switching to ATnT Nexus One is that if ATnT forces a data plan onto me, I'll be able to utilise it. But if there was a way to avoid a data plan altogether, I'd much rather prefer that!
Hmm yes you do have a point that 500 minutes won't be depleted, and I can talk during the off-peak hours. I think I need to re-evaluate my decision. Sigh, this is confusing!
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Reading this thread, I think your best bet is:
1. If you cannot find someone to trade before you get here, fly in here, post on Craig's List LOCALLY and trade face to face, it will be faster and no costs to do so.
2. Since you are going to be added to a family plan, then your costs will be MUCH lower and since you are not getting a subsidized phone, they really can't force a data plan on you either way.
3. IF you decide on T-Mobile, see if your friends have the A-List option on their plans. If they do, they add your number and poof, no minutes to call anytime.
Regardless of what you decide, you really don't have to rush to trade your phone before you get here. It will work on AT&T or T-Mobile and it will be faster and easier to swap once you get here. Just keep it in good condition and make sure the one you get works.
Oh yah I remember... If you have the T-Mobile version of the nexus one then it will also work with att. You just can't have 3g on it, which you do not need in the first place. So you really don't need to trade after all.
rohandhruva said:
I would definitely want to avoid ATnT, fervently. But, unlike here in India, in USA even incoming calls are charged, so if most people around me are on ATT, I will have to use that, right?
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You can. Get Unlimited and youll still save money and it doesnt matter!
(Ex-Tmobile Employee)
Thank you all for your help! Coming from India, where the cellular system very different and very cheap, I really need some orientation
Talderon said:
Reading this thread, I think your best bet is:
1. If you cannot find someone to trade before you get here, fly in here, post on Craig's List LOCALLY and trade face to face, it will be faster and no costs to do so.
2. Since you are going to be added to a family plan, then your costs will be MUCH lower and since you are not getting a subsidized phone, they really can't force a data plan on you either way.
3. IF you decide on T-Mobile, see if your friends have the A-List option on their plans. If they do, they add your number and poof, no minutes to call anytime.
Regardless of what you decide, you really don't have to rush to trade your phone before you get here. It will work on AT&T or T-Mobile and it will be faster and easier to swap once you get here. Just keep it in good condition and make sure the one you get works.
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As I said, I really don't want to swap (especially because this N1 has some sentimental value attached to it, too). My only reason behind doing is that ATT will force a data plan on me, and then I will be paying for a facility which I can't use anyway. However, I am relieved to hear that they can't force a data plan if I don't have a subsidized phone. Do I specifically need to request this, or spend hours with a customer support tech fighting over it?
rjhay22 said:
Oh yah I remember... If you have the T-Mobile version of the nexus one then it will also work with att. You just can't have 3g on it, which you do not need in the first place. So you really don't need to trade after all.
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As I said, I am only worried because I heard that ATnT forces a data plan on you if they detect a smartphone. Is there any way to prevent that?
MANTISxB said:
You can. Get Unlimited and youll still save money and it doesnt matter!
(Ex-Tmobile Employee)
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I don't think I can afford an unlimited plan on Tmo either. And anyway people on ATT will still be charged, so others will be reluctant to call me/accept my calls. The concept of an A-list looks pretty good, though.
So, in the end it all boils down to whether (and how) I can avoid the unnecessary data plan they might add to my line in the family plan