im i dreaming this diamond reality or what - Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General

when i got this diamond phone last week the battery performance
was bad serving me with less then a day worth of power where i
had to buy a second battery.
now that i have been off from work for a few days (3 days) i finaly
had the chance to cain this phone properly eg. flipping wifi on/off
through out the day listening to shoutcast, lenghty periods trying
to setup LAN, listening music while out on the road and checking
emails, looking on the net, yapping on the phone and sending txt messages.
to my supprise the battery seem to be holding up pretty good. now it
appears to be holding out till the end of the day where before i had to
carry two batteries now i think i can get away with carrying just one.
here are my stupid questions
1, does htc batteries get better performance after multiple charges?
2, did i have a semi faulty battery and now a miracle has happend?
3, am i just dreaming that the more i use the longer the battery stays on?
today i charged the bat. at 9am (ish) and now its 3,45pm. i still have 3 bars
remaining im supprised as from before a few days ago this was not the case.
im using the daimond with no mods and standard battery.
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suprised!
HtcDia said:
when i got this diamond phone last week the battery performance
was bad serving me with less then a day worth of power where i
had to buy a second battery.
now that i have been off from work for a few days (3 days) i finaly
had the chance to cain this phone properly eg. flipping wifi on/off
through out the day listening to shoutcast, lenghty periods trying
to setup LAN, listening music while out on the road and checking
emails, looking on the net, yapping on the phone and sending txt messages.
to my supprise the battery seem to be holding up pretty good. now it
appears to be holding out till the end of the day where before i had to
carry two batteries now i think i can get away with carrying just one.
here are my syupid questions
1, does htc batteries get better perfomance after multiple cahrges?
2, did i have a semi faulty battery and now a miracle has happend?
3, am i just dreaming that the more i use the longer the battery stays on?
today i charged the bat. at 9am (ish) and now its 3,45pm. i still have 3 bars
remaining im supprised as from before a few days ago this was not the case.
im using the daimond with no mods and standard battery.
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hiya mate,
I am going through the same thing. First day I got the phone and battery was awful about 4 hours it lasted me! very shocked. but it is holding out.
I did charge the phone initially for about 12 hours as specified but don't know if that helps.
what i tend to find with new mobiles is that you have to charge fully and then DISCHARGE FULLY the phone numerous amount of times to get it to perform to the best of its abilities. I don't think its anything to do with HTC batteries, just the fact that new batteries have never been used and need to learn!

RAF_SHC said:
hiya mate,
I am going through the same thing. First day I got the phone and battery was awful about 4 hours it lasted me! very shocked. but it is holding out.
I did charge the phone initially for about 12 hours as specified but don't know if that helps.
what i tend to find with new mobiles is that you have to charge fully and then DISCHARGE FULLY the phone numerous amount of times to get it to perform to the best of its abilities. I don't think its anything to do with HTC batteries, just the fact that new batteries have never been used and need to learn!
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you are half right. this battery life is improving if you keep charging it but it is not advised to fully discharge them.
the fully charged-fully discharged method was for the old batteries with "memory".
somewhere in this forum, in the trinity forum somebody experimented the two ways of charging-discharging the battery. the conclusion was that it is better to charge the battery anytime, any occasion u have.

Indeed, the battery's performances (and this is applicable to all common batteries) will increase by time until it reaches its max capabilities.
To gain performance, the battery has to discharge and charge very frequently, or better, continuously. I don't really know how the Diamond manages it (meaning if the battery is full, will the device still get power from the battery if it is plugged on, or will it drain power from the cable. It could also drain from battery if it is fully charged and charge it in the same time, or it could simply always take it from the cable and charge the battery in less time)
The reverse is also true, meaning if you don't discharge/charge your battery frequently enough, its performances will decrease by time.
Also, if your battery discharges and charges all the time, it's lifetime will be longer than a battery that is only used once in a week.
I don't know if I made it clear, lol.
By the way, don't think that if you keep charging your battery you will end up with weeks of battery, there is a limit and it is 850mAh on the stock battery, if I remember correctly.

thanks for the tips some say discharging is good and some say dont.
all i know its 8:35pm and i have only used 1 bar from around 4:30
which now leave me with 2 bars. im jumping for joy because normally
by 6pm ish the battery would have already died.
with all the hammering today i cant believe it only took 2 bars in nearly
12 hours and thats with no extra charge from the psu and only 5 usb
connections to the pc to sync and add files totaling 2 - 5 minutes
on each connection.
now i can officially say this phone is "DA BOMB"
time to sell the e90 and e65

The thing that kills the battery on this phone above everything else is the GPS - knocks it out in 90minutes or less. If you were having fun (even for a few minutes) with it in your first few days, this might explain it...

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konsta819 said:
The thing that kills the battery on this phone above everything else is the GPS - knocks it out in 90minutes or less. If you were having fun (even for a few minutes) with it in your first few days, this might explain it...
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yeha that would explain it but the thing is I haven't even installed TomTom or any other GPS related app!!! weird. but i've had it for about 4 days now and battery does seem to improve slightly on a daily basis.

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Whats your battery life?

Ok so if you dont know the 8925 has probably the worst battery life of any HTC phones I have ever used. It was like they decided to put all the latest and greatest into a shell sexier than hell, then give it a old 8125 battery,
The 8125 had what a 1250mAh battery, so they give the 8925 a 1350mAh, makes no since. I am still use to my P990i having a 1500mAh battery and getting 7-9 hours of play time and a 10-18 day stand by time.
Are their any upgraded batteries out yet? if no I may just have to get a second battery and charger cause I cannot go the last 4 hours of my day without a phone. Oh and a car charger is out of the question. I swear those things were made by battery companies to kill you battery faster than shizzit.
Actually, I have found that after a few full charges and running the battery down to about 5% it lasts pretty good.
The first day I had it I had to charge it after about 4-5 hours. Now I am using it most of the day.
if I'm 3Ging and/or GPSing, it goes fast.
if i'm not doing those but doing anything else, it lasts a long time. Easily a whole day.
3G is a huge strain on battery life. Don't expect to get anywhere near the battery life you did with the 8125 if you are using 3G.
With my 8525 I would get 9 hours of battery life at the most (100%-0). With the Tilt, I have been getting about 12 hours of battery life with about the same amount of use.
I run WL push email all day and browse the web pretty heavily.
Make sure to condition your battery by running it all the way down to 0 before you recharge a few times.
I have been conditioning the hell out of my battery so far, 100% down to %5ish, 100 to 5 100 to 5, only charges it and gone through like 3 cycles so far. Hopefully I will see something soon
anyone know of any batteries out there yet? if no I will put an order in for another OEM HTC
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Just a note - conditioning a LiIon battery has zero affect on its charge capacity.
I'm getting between 8-10 hours of very active use and 10-16 hours of life when I'm not on the silly thing all the time. SPB Pocket Plus calculates my battery life at around 10-11 hours, and it's usually pretty good at estimating it once it's seen enough data.
Nevertheless, I can also attest to the fact that the battery life of my Kaiser is increasing. I'd say its about 25-30% better than when I first started using it a few weeks ago.
PerfAlbion said:
Just a note - conditioning a LiIon battery has zero affect on its charge capacity.
I'm getting between 8-10 hours of very active use and 10-16 hours of life when I'm not on the silly thing all the time. SPB Pocket Plus calculates my battery life at around 10-11 hours, and it's usually pretty good at estimating it once it's seen enough data.
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Where do you see this feature in Pocket Plus?
I am hoping Slueth is right about the battery life increasing over time. Mine isn't a 4th of what the 8125 or 8525 was. The comments on 3G being a huge drain I can't agree with. The 8525 and 8125 had the same battery consumption and I could get a full day of regular usage on both.
I can say using the Kaiser rom over the at&t rom made a noticeable improvement.
I live in HSDPA nation [Bay Area]. My tilt gets pushed to limits everyday. I have mobile shell installed with weather update, push email and active sync through exchange server, use ICS with laptop on the go. I can get through the day with heavy use and the battery never falls below 40%. At 11:00PM last night, I had 75% left on my battery level indicator.
I would say it's about 20-30% better than Hermes' battery performance.
verendus said:
I live in HSDPA nation [Bay Area]. My tilt gets pushed to limits everyday. I have mobile shell installed with weather update, push email and active sync through exchange server, use ICS with laptop on the go. I can get through the day with heavy use and the battery never falls below 40%. At 11:00PM last night, I had 75% left on my battery level indicator.
I would say it's about 20-30% better than Hermes' battery performance.
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That's AMAZING! I wish I could have spent 75% by then and still have 25% left. I use everything you mentioned too but I barely make it t 7 or 8 pm before my tilt turns off at 1% battery level so I have to stick it in the charger as soon as I get home from work at about 6'ish.
GWelker62 said:
Where do you see this feature in Pocket Plus?
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Add the battery meter to one of your tabs and look at the options for the meter by tap & hold - options. It allows you to set a fixed battery life or use a statistically estimated duration.
The comments on 3G being a huge drain I can't agree with. The 8525 and 8125 had the same battery consumption and I could get a full day of regular usage on both.
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It all depends on your actual data usage. If you aren't transmitting a lot of data, then the HDSPA usage won't have a significant effect because it isn't on all that frequently. If you do, you'll definitely notice a difference.
Mine was showing about 75% this morning and is now at 57% (5:30pm) - that is following three or four short phone calls, several web page downloads, several synchronisations via bluetooth and ten or fifteen minutes experimenting with the business card scanner.
I do agree with other comments here that battery life improves after several charge/discharge cycles. This Kaiser replaces my old Hermes - I think the battery life may not be quite as good, but it isn't vastly worse - trouble is that it has so many fun things to play with that you just do more with it! Just the GPS alone will draw that battery down if you use it too much - my hand-held Garmin can flatten a pair of high capacity AAs in less than 24 hours - and that is not powering a 3g transceiver and bluetooth at the same time.
Martin
i must say, i have the case of not able to leave my phone in my pocket. I always have to have my phone out, turn on from sleep and do something with it. If I'm able to resist this temptation, my phone can last the whole day going down to 50%. If I'm messing around with it, then it could go below.
I noticed that Skype is a MAJOR draw on the battery.
When I had skype on and logged in, the USB charger could barely hold the charge even ... when I was also using GPS with Google maps the battery life was visibly going down.
After using the device more normally now I get quite decent battery life.
The real test will come when I fly cross country and read an ebook on it.
If i can resist the urge to play with the GPS i can get about 2 days out of mine, but my useage is pretty light. I am using Direct Push with my exchange server, and get about 15 emails a day. The TCP timeout on my firewall is set to 1 hour, so i think that helps too. I am using the black & blue comm manager with 3g option, and i leave 3g off(it switches between 3g and Edge all day at work, and i heard that can lower battery significantly). I only enable 3g if i tether, and even then 3g coverage in my area SUCKS! Verizon has EVDO everywhere here, at&t needs to get their ass in gear . Overall i'm happy with the battery life. I've setup a few PDA's for some of my users here so i wasn't expecting anything great (although our two blackjack users seem very happy with battery life).
Just placed an order for the 1600 mAh Tilt battery
Hi,
I was confused by the different batteries available for the Tilt at www.batteryupgrade.com , so at I e-mailed them this message,
Just found your site, and am interested in purchasing a battery for my ATT Tilt/HTC Kaiser however; when I looked at my battery it does say KAIS 160, but the P/N is 35H00086-00M, and not 35H00088-00M. The device is ATT Branded, and in the device info on the phone, model number just says Kaiser, not Kaiser120 etc. Is there any difference, what battery should I get?
they gave me this link-
http://www.batteryupgrade.com/product_detail.php?productId=75070772&searchphrase=htc%2520kaiser
Just waiting to see if it does help alot, if not, I'll at least have two batteries now! lol
Alemaker
Terrible so far... but i've only been through one charge cycle, almost. I topped off the out of the box battery. From there it's been plugged into the computer while i was adding w***z (i mean perfectly legal software). So I've never actually winded it down to 0.
Is it bad to keep topping it off like this?
The battery life i've been having probably wouldn't even last a day but i should probably go down to 5% before i charge it again and see if it improves.
My motto with this phone is "Who needs decent battery life if you've got GPS, a 3MP camera, an unbelievable library of third pary software, 3G, a fully qwerty keyboard, gorgeous touch screen, and tilting screen?"

Severe and strange battery issues - Please help!

Hello, I've recieved my AT&T Tilt 8925 (Kais100) unit a week ago and ever since I've experienced awful battery performance. The item shipped new (not refurbished supposedly nor defective) and included a Samsung battery. I changed to Dutty's v3 ROM right away (flashing was successful, I also switched to radio version 1.27.12.27) and last night switched to Q-Mobile v1.2 to see if the ROM was the problem, but it persisted.
My battery drains extremely fast, even when the unit is off it drops 10% after 8 hours (overnight and also throughout the day, I'm leaving the unit at home while I solve this issue and it's always off). The unit does not have a SIM card inserted and the Phone function remains off, so does WiFi, Bluetooth, Beam, 3G, etc. It's also muted and has no alarms activated, nor background programs running (I'm currently running a freshly flashed Q-Mobile v1.2 ROM with a hard reset done as well).
I've read about battery perfomance extensively but haven't ever read about the battery discharging while the unit is off, and given the fact that I'm NOT using the phone functions, I barely believe this can be normal behaviour. I purchased 2 units from the same source and both are having similar issues with battery perfomance.
I'm currently testing a borrowed OEM Dynapack battery from a friend's Tilt to see if it shows the same behaviour as well to discard the possibility of a faulty unit. Note that I'm using the OEM 1A charger and leave the unit charging for several hours.
If the battery proves to be defective I'd have to get one (or contact the seller to see if he'd respond to the issue). Can someone recommend a cheap/reliable battery that could be bought online (eBay, etc.)?
Thank you very much! I hope that someone has a clue on this issue.
Best regards
Sebastian
Just to clarify, is the phone actually OFF, or is it in standby? If it's in standby, 10% after 8 hours wouldn't be unreasonable at all.
Uhm, it's on standby I guess (when I turn it on again it's instantaneous, not like when you soft reset the unit)...
I'm new to PDA phones, I had an IPAQ RX3715 before with WM2003SE and I could leave the unit off for days without battery drainage. However I may not be too familiarised with these new units' standby/off functioning. If in standby and with the Phone function off (meaning that the device has "nothing to do" other than being off) it's normal for the device to drain the battery so much I would be disappointed.
As a sidenote, my friend's Tilt is not draining while it's on standby being on the same conditions other than the fact that his unit has the Dynapack battery.
Regards!
Bat Drain
I have the same rom and the same problem. I was at the hospital all day i made two calls and about mid day my bat was at 30%. I think its duttys rom V3 causing the problems. Changing roms now.
I could be wrong, but I think your phone is fine, these devices just consume a lot of power. 10% over 8 hours would be totally normal in my opinion. Is that the main reason that leads you to think there is a problem with your phone? Have you ever had a pocket PC before that had better battery life? When I got my first PDA I thought the same thing, but I realized that they are not like normal cell phones, where you could just recharge once every couple of days. PDA's must be charged at least every night. If you use GPS or wi-fi a lot you're probably going to be charging sometime throughout the day as well. I just got into the habit of plugging it in every time I get into the car, and when I get home I plug it into either the computer or the wall charger. There are after market batteries available, but if you want a drastic increase in amp-hours, the battery is going to be bigger and it will require a new battery cover. This is totally unacceptable in my opinion, as the device is relatively large to begin with. My advice would be to only activate a radio if you are using it, and de-activate it when you are done. Also just get into a routine where you are charging it whenever possible. Another thing, I just flashed Dutty's V4 RTM, and I must say the increase in battery life was very noticeable. Don't let me confuse you, though. From the information you supplied, I really am not able to tell if there is a problem or not, so give some more information and examples of battery life so we can figure out if somethings wrong, or if you just aren't used to the amount of consumption of this type of device. Hope I could help. Cheers!
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I have the same rom and the same problem. I was at the hospital all day i made two calls and about mid day my bat was at 30%. I think its duttys rom V3 causing the problems. Changing roms now.
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Yeah that's not normal. You got any radios besides phone running throughout the day?
Thanks for your thorough reply. Picking on what you mentioned, it's true that I'm new to PDA Phones, as I mentioned I also own an iPAQ rx3715 with WM2003SE and my idea was to replace it. Judging the fact that PDA-only devices, to my eyes, are nowadays dying I thought I'd get me the latest and most complete device available WITH GPS, since I was using my iPAQ together with a GPS Bluetooth Receiver with much delight.
What I experienced with my previous device was that battery performance was never an issue, it did consume power as any PDA, but I didn't find myself worrying about it, it never dropped when off and it would last me several days.
Since I'm using my Tilt with the Phone function off I _thought_ it wouldn't need any power for anything... but it might be that these new devices, or the new WM6 architecture is different to that of WM2003SE/PDA only devices... I don't know, but it just sounds strange to me, although if it's normal I'll live with it- as you say, I'll have to be charging it 1-2 times a day.
On the one hand it would be good for me to know that my device is ok, but on the other hand it means that battery life isn't even close to what I expected... I had read people complaining about it but in general I tend not to be overly critic about the defects of devices... but it seems that it's the case. I meant not to use the phone features and thus I thought it wouldn't be consuming power on standby seeing that the phone should not be running anything on background...
Thank you again for your reply. If anybody else has a word on this I'd appreciate it.
Best regards
Just as an aside you will notice the battery life getting better after a couple weeks it seems the battery has to be conditioned so to speak. Also do you have any kind of push email on your phone as if you do that does use quite a bit of power, you might want to set it up as a pop3 account and set it to check emails every so often instead of getting them as soon as they come in.But I have amde it a habit to always use my charger whenever I am able to as these batteries seem to be happiest when topped off whenever possible.
Hello again, I'm still experiencing this problem and it seems not normal.
Simply put, I fully charge the device. I turn it off. It discharges by itself with all wireless functions off.
Today I did a hard suspend (keeping off pressed) with battery at 60%... when I turn the unit on 7 hours later the battery was at 6% with a critical warning sign.
I'm NOT using the device, I turn it on, use WiFI for 3-5 minutes then switch it off and put the device to suspend. I turn it on after a couple of hours, play with the menus and turn it off again. Just by doing that the battery drains by 10% every 5 hours or so, sometimes it won't even turn on due to battery drainage.
Is this NORMAL? I need to know if my unit or my battery is defective so I can return it to the seller in time...
Thanks, best regards
Sebastian
Battery life DOES seem to improve with time. The first day my battery wouldn't last for 5 hours! Keep charging your battery and letting it drain as much as you can (whether or not to let it fully drain is debatable), and I bet you'll see some guaranteed performance.
Also, what would help a lot is if you found and installed the Today plugin BatteryStatus and checked the "Show More indicators" option, and see what your battery drain was. The normal is between 150mA and 300mA when you're on the Today screen. Any more than that, and you most likely have a problem, assuming connections besides phone are off.
sounds normal to me, turning off you mean by pressing the button on the right side of unit? if so, mine is the same way
I'd say that was definitely not normal performance. On average, I use mine for at least an hour worth of talk time, an hour or two running TomTom, numerous SMSs, and at least a couple of hours reading books. I charge it every night, and the battery is generally running at around 50 to 60% by that time. I'm surprised at how quickly yours is draining.
I have an RX3715 inhabiting a drawer, and, while the battery life was a lot longer on that device, the battery was a lot larger, and the screen lower quality. The fact that it is not connected to a mobile network gives the battery a much longer life too. When I used it purely for TomTom, connecting to a bluetooth receiver, the battery faded very fast.
I've had a Kaiser since day one. I have found that adding a comm manager that allows forcing the phone to Edge give huge battery savings. In standby with the phone radio On and BT radio ON, WiFi OFF, my phone drops 4% over night very consistant. On Edge battery lasts days.
The only time I get fairly high battery consumption is streaming with 3G. Edge is so much more efficient on the battery, so if you don't need the speed, throttle down!
The only time I've ever found the phone Dead or close to dead after only a few hours on standby was when I had WiFi ON and the phone in standby. I can't pinpoint what exactly causes the condition, but when it occurs, the phone is HOT and the battery heavily drained in a short time. This has happened with both Hermes and Kaiser. I never leave WiFi ON when not needed, and have never seen severe battery drain since.
I do sometimes turn off all radios except WiFi, and then use wired ear buds and stream Slingbox video to the phone over my home WiFi LAN. I can get almost 4 hours of watching on a charge.
The battery should not be draining when powered off, but not much at all when put in sleep mode. Get yourself a replacement Testing.
As an aside, Alex's WM 6.1 BETA 2 has given me the best battery life of any rom. Only about 25% of the battery drains per day. With most other roms it's 50-100% per day.
Hello, thanks to everyone for your replies. It's strange because I've been doing lots of test, switching batteries (I have 4 units to test now) and I get inconsistent results... the 2 most problematic units were bought from the same eBay seller and got their ROMs changed the first day, the 3rd unit still has the AT&T ROM and was apparently not draining as fast. The problem is that the 2 first units seem to get battery drains overnight in flight mode of 10% and 2 times one of them got a 0% critical battery status just by being in standby and not in use (none of them are working as phones and have the function off)
The odd part is that for some reason this happens only sometimes, now I've switched to Sleuth's WM6.1 ROM and the problem is gone for now, I'm still at 90% since 2 nights ago having turned on GPS and WIFI for 5 minutes each 2-3 times... the other 2 units have been in standby from 100% charge and they haven't dropped either! And they're using the AT&T ROM and Q-Mobile v1.2 respectively... what kills me is that I cannot say what's wrong, cause I've swapped batteries, swapped chargers, swapped ROMs but cannot trace which is the problem (or if there's a problem at all)...
Perhaps it's normal for the unit to sometimes drain 10% after 8 hours of standby in flight mode and on other times remain at 90% for 2-3 days if not in use...
Thanks everyone for the read, I'd appreciate any comments
Regards
Sebastian
What radios are u using. Try changing radios
10% loss overnight in standby would be normal.
Does the unit get warm when you notice rapid drain?
I wonder about the "old" active sync problem - does the device show any running programs when you turn on?
In general you should expect to get a days worth of power using it for the odd call, perhaps an hour of wifi and perhaps an hour of prgram use. Of course all taht is very variable but I generally get away with a charge once a day. Occasionally, I take it from it's holder and it's warm to touch, but usually it's 'cos I've forgotten and left something like tomtom running.
Mike

Is this normal???

How long does everybodys battery life last here on average? Because its starting to become a hassle for me to keep a charge on my phone... I unplug y phone every morning at 8am, on my way to work, I plug my phone up to a car charger for about 30mins, then when I'm at work around noon I plug up my phone for a hour... and yet I still manage to kill the battery by 3-4pm... the battery wont even last a full work day, even with getting juice for 1 1/2hrs... thats rediculous in my opinion, 8am-4pm = 8hrs - 1 1/2hrs charging = 6 1/2hrs battery life...
At that rate, I need 4(!!!) batteries to last a full 24hours
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How long does everybodys battery life last here on average? Because its starting to become a hassle for me to keep a charge on my phone... I unplug y phone every morning at 8am, on my way to work, I plug my phone up to a car charger for about 30mins, then when I'm at work around noon I plug up my phone for a hour... and yet I still manage to kill the battery by 3-4pm... the battery wont even last a full work day, even with getting juice for 1 1/2hrs... thats rediculous in my opinion, 8am-4pm = 8hrs - 1 1/2hrs charging = 6 1/2hrs battery life...
At that rate, I need 4(!!!) batteries to last a full 24hours
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Strange, mine lasts about 24hrs (approx) without charging, that's with moderate web usage, games (for about 1 - 2 hours) texting all day and atleast 3 - 4 hours talk time. I'm using the battery my kaiser came with.
Although I have used an assload of tweaks in regards to battery life (turned down brightness, turned off all LED notifications, +used most of the power saving tweaks used in kaiser tweak, then again my sound + vibrations are almost always off except for when i'm sleeping or when the phone is charging, and more i can't think of)
This has been discussed before, so it's worth searching.
Battery life has many variables but if yours is un-usually short then investigate your mail settings, checking every 5 minutes obviously uses more than every 30 minutes.
Check if you have the band switching problem and the solutions for that
Are you killing running programmes, including Active Sync.
Does the phone feel warm (around battery) when it's off the charger. (a sign of an application running but possibly blocked)
So do you kill wifi after using it or if you don't use it then is it running abyway - that will kill the battery. etc etc etc
The above is not a full list but should give some starting points for searches. In general I would expect around a day of low to medium use. If you only get a couple of hours then check the things above.
Mike
How much are you using the phone for bluetooth or wifi or 3g? If not much, then you're right.
I have Alex'x WM 6.1 beta2. It's been a full work day and I still have about 75% battery. I had the stock at&t rom then tried stock HTC rom. The HTC rom had pitiful battery life. I kept it for 1 day in airplane mode and it still died in about 8 hours. The at&t rom lasted about 14 hours. Alex's may last 3 or 4 days. His WM 6.1 gives me the best battery life out of all of his or anyone's rom that I've tried.
hmm well I use an exchange server, so I cant really configure how often it checks mail... I guess it checks constantly... I'm on the phone for maybe 2-3 hrs during work, if even that, i do text alot, and use OctroTalk IM client... Thats about it, i dont play music, i dont watch movies, and I dont play games, dont use bluetooth, but I think it uses the 3G all the time, I'm not sure, it allways says 3G up in top bar...
If flashing it with a new rom can help the battery life, I might consider doing that, is there any other befits from doing so? Over all I've been pleased with the over all performance of the stock rom... except this battery issue.
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hmm well I use an exchange server, so I cant really configure how often it checks mail... I guess it checks constantly... I'm on the phone for maybe 2-3 hrs during work,
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2-3 hours on the phone!! and constant mail checking!! I don't know about anyone else but for this type of phone I think your battery life is probably normal. I mean that's not far off half a working day on the phone!
Mike

My Opninion about the battery

Hi all,
I just wanted to tell my opninion about the standard (900mAh) battery.
I heard a lot of people complaining about the battery, I also complained about the battery. But that was only the first week when I got the phone. After a week or 2 the battery became better and better, every time I charged it up. Now I use the phone 3 days without charging , compared to the 1 day I could use the battery in the beginning, 3 days is very good. Things what I do in those 3 days are: Internet (umts, hspda), Reading RRS feeds, taking pictures, listening music. So the battery is quite good. And I am happy now!!
Unlike the good battery, I am going to buy a new battery (1350 mAh) Imagine how good it then will be, then I can use even more like 5 days.
I just gave my opninion because, before I bought the Diamond, I heard rumors about the battery, that was almost a reason for me not to buy the Diamond. Still I bought it, and I can't confirm these rumors.
THE BATTERY IS PERFECT, and the phone is great too (especcially with the v1.93 rom)
So don't listen to those rumors, and give your own opninion, I give this phone a 9!!
I have had my diamond a week, and i found that the battery would be flat before i got in from work (8:00-5:00) and thats with very moderate use.
Last time I charged it up, I didnt use the charger that came with it, but instead used a standard wall mains to usb charger (came with a blue tooth gps) and its now on its second day, and it has only lost 3 cells on the power info screen.
have been using the phone more than normal only thing i have done different is install the tweaked com.manager to turn 3g off (dont get 3g in the are im at any way) and it seems to be great now.
where did you find this tweaked manager?
intel286 said:
where did you find this tweaked manager?
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just use advaced configuration tool. Go to Options, Comm manager and add '3g' to the tick boxes.
I've made a few tweaks with Schaps and TF3Dconfig and my battery has excellent life now. I think it does take a few days of charging and discharging to settle down but I can now go days with reasonable use
In my opinion it also depends on WHAT you use to charge up your battery. I mean, whether you use the stock charger, or 3rd party charger.
I bought a 3rd party charger (http://www.momax.net/products_detail.php?cid=2&scid=1523&brandcat=82&pid=11134) and the output is only 400mA, when compare to the stock charge (where the output is 1A), even thought both are fully charged, I observe that the one using stock charge, can last longer than the one charged by the momax one.
Anyone has the same experience?
I already posted my thoughts.
My MDA lasts longer when charged with the stock charger (5V , 1A) as opposed to charging from my PCs USB port (5V, 0.5A)
Thank you for confirming what I was experiencing.
Yep same here, the battery last around 2-3 days. Turning of around 12pm and back on around 8am.
And yes charging form the outlet takes less time and seems to give a better more solid charge.
And yes the tweaks help very much.
Hey guys we are just getting to know our Jewel.
Shes a friendly gal!!!
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I just watch one movie in Coreplayer and the battery becomes half empty. The battery is a joke. Sorry, I love this phone, but HTC really dropped the ball on the battery.
aydc said:
I just watch one movie in Coreplayer and the battery becomes half empty. The battery is a joke. Sorry, I love this phone, but HTC really dropped the ball on the battery.
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Now it depends on the length of the movie doesn't it?
Another thing with ion-lit bats is that they require very controlled charge and that explains a lot of the problems experienced. I also believe the initial charging is important to respect. I charged mine for a full day initially, and noticed that it used all night for charging for a while (even the indicator was on full).
Today it was used for a few calls, had it on BT sync with my PC for a couple of hours, and used iGO GPS for 20 min, still leaving it 3/4 full. I could wish for more battery capacity - one week would be nice - but as long I only need charging at night I personally see no major issue. I have an extra battery or two as I tend to use the phine as MP3 player on long haul flights which I certainally prefer to the thicker backcover and the 1800 mAh battery.

Battery HELP!

i dont know why... but the battery of x1 lasts only a day!
and when i think about... i'm pretty much a light user.
i dont use the wifi and 3g at all.
the brightness level of the screen is the lowest.
i play music about 2 hrs with the earphones.
i hardly use any apps except for windows media player.
that also about the 30 mins the most.
i only use the internet about the 30 mins the most.
bluetooths off.
i always close any open app that is there via the htc taskmanager
i using the htc touchflo ui.
i take about 25 pictures at the most and no video recording.
maybe the settings of my phone is somewhat wrong.
maybe i missed something.
so anyone.
please help me...
any advice? any tips?
Then you have a normal battery usage
Wich wm do you use wm6.1 or wm6.5 ? i noticed better battery life in wm6.5 if i don't do anything on the phone the battery lasts for max 2 days but only if i really do nothing on the phone. i have to charge my phone every night.
Sounds pretty normal to me .
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i play music about 2 hrs with the earphones.
that also about the 30 mins the most.
i only use the internet about the 30 mins the most.
i take about 25 pictures
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these are the batt killers
if you stop doing those it can last 3 days
but as with all such devices charging them a bit every chance you get
is good for then and give you a longer batt life
it charge using a miniUsb which is everywhere otherwise you can
get one to carry around in a shop for a few $£€
so any computer with usb can be your temp charge station
Okay, I've got some advice for you maybe. I have just flashed my phone from R2A to R3A nad haven't installed too much applications yet, only PocketShield, Resco Explorer and Spb Phone Suite. I notice a strong increase in battery life compared to the old R2A with sooo many apps (Although basically none were running in background, at leats not ones you would think that they consume much power). So I don't know if it's the apps or the ROM but my battery lasts about 75% longer, which is approx. 40 hours total. I have about the same usage you are describing.
commodoor said:
Then you have a normal battery usage
Wich wm do you use wm6.1 or wm6.5 ? i noticed better battery life in wm6.5 if i don't do anything on the phone the battery lasts for max 2 days but only if i really do nothing on the phone. i have to charge my phone every night.
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i'm using winmo 6.5
and dude.
did you read the reviews.
the phones battery is suppose to at least last 2-3 days.
cause it can/ and should last 5-6days.
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i play music about 2 hrs with the earphones.
that also about the 30 mins the most.
i only use the internet about the 30 mins the most.
i take about 25 pictures
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these are the batt killers
if you stop doing those it can last 3 days
but as with all such devices charging them a bit every chance you get
is good for then and give you a longer batt life
it charge using a miniUsb which is everywhere otherwise you can
get one to carry around in a shop for a few $£€
so any computer with usb can be your temp charge station
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yes, i charge my phone using miniUsb cause i'm always with my laptop.
haha.
plus it makes it easier for me to charge.
but the phones battery draining faster and not lasting how the reviews said.
i seriously am going to do some experiment now.
thanks anyway.
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Okay, I've got some advice for you maybe. I have just flashed my phone from R2A to R3A nad haven't installed too much applications yet, only PocketShield, Resco Explorer and Spb Phone Suite. I notice a strong increase in battery life compared to the old R2A with sooo many apps (Although basically none were running in background, at leats not ones you would think that they consume much power). So I don't know if it's the apps or the ROM but my battery lasts about 75% longer, which is approx. 40 hours total. I have about the same usage you are describing.
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are you sure?
cause i'm using R3A also and i'm only getting out a day
igoodbyes said:
are you sure?
cause i'm using R3A also and i'm only getting out a day
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I'm just telling you my experiences. Yesterday for example, phone was fully charged @ 7.00 AM. Been listening to music for about 5 hours, called my girlfriend for 1.5 hours, had pushmail activated all the time, sent some text messages, got an email, battery was @ 30% at midnight.
Firefall! said:
I'm just telling you my experiences. Yesterday for example, phone was fully charged @ 7.00 AM. Been listening to music for about 5 hours, called my girlfriend for 1.5 hours, had pushmail activated all the time, sent some text messages, got an email, battery was @ 30% at midnight.
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If I do those things, my battery will be dead in 4 hours.
igoodbyes said:
yes, i charge my phone using miniUsb cause i'm always with my laptop.
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Certain laptops have "battery saving features" which regulate/cut off power delivered to usb ports. Try charging with the wall charger.
Plus the wall charger charges faster.
igoodbyes said:
i'm using winmo 6.5
and dude.
did you read the reviews.
the phones battery is suppose to at least last 2-3 days.
cause it can/ and should last 5-6days.
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sorry but htat battery life is in standby mode. calling uses not that much battery life because the screen is turned off. if you using ur phone extremly thna the battery will drain very fast. with winmo 6.5 teh battery life is 2 days but i dont't take pictures i listin to music about 1 hour and sometimes i'm surfing on the net with it. it checks every 1 hour for emails.
i had so many wm phones and all failed the battery life. they had all short battery life ofcourse i want my phone to last 3 days with the same usage like urs. thats why i have a spare battery with me always.
the battery will drain also faster if you using a lot of apps in the backgound. with a clean rom the battery life is longer than that i install a lot of stuff on it.
So my conclusion is that the battery life will be different for each person. if you think ure battery isn't good than i would say go and buy mugen battery 1800Mah i did it to and i'm happy now.
I did some tests with the original SE battery when i don't do absolutely Nothing with the phone and its in standby the phone battery lasts easy for 4 days
OMG.. 1 day is not enough? OMG!!!
Makes me wonder why we sell Xperia in countries, where they have no access to electricity..
Well, I can recommend buying another phone, or even phone with some solar charger, if you have no access to electricity. Or another battery would do fine.
Myself, I use WIFI a lot in my work, call about 2-4 hours a day and sometimes i'm listening music while walking home. I charge it overnight (yeah I'm lucky guy livin in Europe with access to electricity).
And sometimes it makes me wonder, that people expect the battery to be like nuclear power plant - once you start it, it'll never stop giving you electricity. Cmon, you have 500Mhz CPU, big screen, GSM+3G running at once. Then you can turn on WIFI, GPS and the CPU goes 100%. 1 day is not enough? Jeesh.. Show me a device which lasts more than one day WHILE USING IT (so calls, messages), with normal battery (no nuclear power plant, please! ) and I'm yours
Some people (no offence!!) should return back to Earth
To save some battery, turn OFF 3G if you're not using it. But that'll give you just few hours, which won't save you that much.
2 Hours of GPS use sets me to nearly 50% battery gone!
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2 Hours of GPS use sets me to nearly 50% battery gone!
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Yeah, coz you're using GPS, then the screen is ON, the navigation APP (ie TomTom) is using CPU nearly to 100%, then also the GSM-3G is working all the time, RAM and apps in RAM are draining as well.. Normal
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Yeah, coz you're using GPS, then the screen is ON, the navigation APP (ie TomTom) is using CPU nearly to 100%, then also the GSM-3G is working all the time, RAM and apps in RAM are draining as well.. Normal
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it sure can be hungry! lucky i got a spare battery! although i wish i had known you had to have the phone enabled to use the GPS lol what are battery lifes of normal sat navs like? or are they always plugged into the car
nevermind said:
OMG.. 1 day is not enough? OMG!!!
Makes me wonder why we sell Xperia in countries, where they have no access to electricity..
Well, I can recommend buying another phone, or even phone with some solar charger, if you have no access to electricity. Or another battery would do fine.
Myself, I use WIFI a lot in my work, call about 2-4 hours a day and sometimes i'm listening music while walking home. I charge it overnight (yeah I'm lucky guy livin in Europe with access to electricity).
And sometimes it makes me wonder, that people expect the battery to be like nuclear power plant - once you start it, it'll never stop giving you electricity. Cmon, you have 500Mhz CPU, big screen, GSM+3G running at once. Then you can turn on WIFI, GPS and the CPU goes 100%. 1 day is not enough? Jeesh.. Show me a device which lasts more than one day WHILE USING IT (so calls, messages), with normal battery (no nuclear power plant, please! ) and I'm yours
Some people (no offence!!) should return back to Earth
To save some battery, turn OFF 3G if you're not using it. But that'll give you just few hours, which won't save you that much.
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i'm fully agree with you. i never seen a wm phone where the battery life is longer than 1 day while u using it.
comeradealexi said:
it sure can be hungry! lucky i got a spare battery! although i wish i had known you had to have the phone enabled to use the GPS lol what are battery lifes of normal sat navs like? or are they always plugged into the car
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Hmm.. i'm not quite sure right now how about X1.. But if I am not mistaken, few months ago I tried GPS with phone OFF and it worked EXCEPT TomTom. It found sats, but TomTom refused to accept it. But geocaching app worked.. Will try tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
Not sure about sat navs, don't have one. My parents do, but they always plug it into the car as far as I remember. But I don't think any sat nav will last several hours with battery, when there is CPU clocked crazy high, bright screen and also the GPS chip itself (not mentioning that the heat will decrease the battery life).
orelsi said:
If I do those things, my battery will be dead in 4 hours.
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I feel sorry for you, really
orelsi said:
If I do those things, my battery will be dead in 4 hours.
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i know what you mean...
but i think mine will last about 9hrs.
which i still find... very less!

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