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HTC Tytn II - Not as good as i thought

Having bought the tytn II, and previous owner of the original tytn and many other windows devices i must say there have been absolutely no improvements in the browser, device responsiveness and screen quality (even the VGA screen are not that great).
I've tried umpteen number of different browsers and tweaks but still find issues.
Having used the N95 for a while i have to say the only issue is the RAM and the 3rd party software, but you at least get a flawless browser and the damn thing works when you need it to.
I do like windows simply becauase of all the software available for them but they still haven't sorted out some of the fundamental uses of these pocket pc's.

Thers NO VGA Screen on TYTN2...
And as Browser Use Opera or opera Mini. opera Mini works very good...
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ump001 said:
Having bought the tytn II, and previous owner of the original tytn and many other windows devices i must say there have been absolutely no improvements in the browser, device responsiveness and screen quality (even the VGA screen are not that great).
I've tried umpteen number of different browsers and tweaks but still find issues.
Having used the N95 for a while i have to say the only issue is the RAM and the 3rd party software, but you at least get a flawless browser and the damn thing works when you need it to.
I do like windows simply becauase of all the software available for them but they still haven't sorted out some of the fundamental uses of these pocket pc's.
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What where you expecting ?

yozh said:
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what!? it doesnt run windows vista?!
(who wants that ****e anyway

PIE sucks, slow, etc.
Use Opera Mini, but it also is not perfect:
- No file manager (still use PIE to download file)
- Sometimes does not render page correctly (PIE too!)
- Sometimes I cannot click a link
Nothing is perfect
Opera 8.65? Not sure ...
Opera 9.0? It will be released when "TyTn V" out.

opera 8.65 built 2732 is quite good

Having moved from SPV to e200 to c500 to M500 to Jamin to M3100 to Tytn2, I couldn't disagree with the OP more. Whilst the M3100 running the Black WM6 roms was fast and responsive, the Tytn2 is fast straight out of the box with an Orange rom.
I use Opera 8.65. It is a superb mobile browser. With tabs, you can be preopening pages whilst you read another. The only downside is that it won't actually download pages when the app is in the background - which I guess protects people from unknown data usage but is a pain when you are chatting on messenger and trying to post on forums.
PIE won't let me post on my favourite forums at all.

Touch screen web browser

There is something about me that doesn't like using Internet Explorer. On my phone (Sony Ericsson K850i) I use the Opera Mini 4 Beta browser and love the way that it renders sites and you can zoom in and out etc...
I installed Opera Mobile on my HTC hoping that it would be exactly the same as mini but I was very disappointed Not only does it not have the text for the soft keys but it doesn't accept touch screen inputs for pressing links and text boxes. Also you don't have the zoom in/out function so you have to see a fully rendered screen or and "everything on one column" rendering that cripples the content.
Is there a decent browser for Windows Mobile? What I am looking for is something that works exactly like Opera Mini but with more compatibility with flash etc...
Any ideas?
At the least I would like to be able to install Opera mini but it comes as a .jad file (Java Midlet?). Is there any way of installing these as my Kaiser doesn't know what to do with the file atm.
Thanks for any help
Oliver

There must be someone out there who uses a browser that they're happy with?
Is there a version of Opera that works with the touch screen?
Thanks

You don't have Java on your phone? Opera mini is free and it is a Java Midlet so you could try and see how you like it without spending any money. There is another free browser that I have called Minimo.
LINK to direct CAB download-- http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
It isint the perfect browser either but it does alot of what Opera does and lets you set it with preferences too. Give it a shot and see what you think. Don't like it just remove. I will look on my phone to see if I can extract the Java .exe for you.

I use netfront 3.3 its got better functions than PIE and its back and forward functions using your D-pad is very usefull. as for opera if you want it to scroll like opera mini just enable touch and grab on opera v8.65. it will select links as opera mini does it just wont zoom in like opera mini

Ceck out the articles at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Web Browsing, browsers

picsel browseris my fav. look around enough and you'll find it

Thanks for the replies!
I'll definitely have a look round for the browsers you mentioned.
I would much appreciate it if you could provide a Java app to enable Java on my phone too
BTW, I'm using Schap's latest ROM if that helps.

Im a bit confused here about the op. Am I the only person that has a copy of Opera Mobile that does everything that the op said it doesn,t do? Which version of Opera mobile did you try? I use O.M on my kaiser and everything you said it doesnt do, mine does.. Ive got touchscreen interactivity aswell as touch scrolling, i can zoom in and out, 3 can resize the screen format to desk top,just fit and one column. Im runing Opera mobile 8.65 for Windows Mobile Pocket PC. By anychance did you accidentily download the smartphone version?

As above - op must have downloaded opera instead of opera-mini...
I'm posting using o-m and must say it's one of the best if not best browser for the wm platform

WOW!
Just installed Picsel and I love it.
The GUI is a bit dodgy but that's cos it's designed for the clie but I love everything else.
Thanks
(Bit of an effort to find a download though)

Ah, I downloaded the Smartphone version. That's prob why I don't have the touch screen thingy.
BTW Subliminal, there is a difference between Opera Mini and Opera Mobile. Opera Mini is what I have on my Sony Ericsson k850i and I would have thought that Opera Mobile worked similarly. It does all the same things but not as smoothly as Opera Mini.
Opera Mini is for Java based phone apps. Opera Mobile is for WM platform.

Opera Mobile has more functions (I think?)
but one main difference is that Opera Mini is free whereas opera mobile isn't.
A direct shortcut can be created to launch opera mini without the need to load the java midlet first. A quick hex edit can skip the connection permissions and another quick tinker can allow direct links from emails to open in opera mini. Sounds more work than it is.

Ive just been checking out the Netfront v3.4 technical preview
https://www.access.co.jp/english/nfppc/agree_34.html
its alot better than v3.3 and has some very nice features. its got a similar zoom feature to opera mini4 its a scroll and zoom. plus the visual bookmark is nice also. I cant wait for it to go to retail I will be getting it. opera9 will be ready soon also but ive not seen a preview of it yet. from what ive read though its also going to be alot better than v8.65 and incorperate feature of mini opera4 like the page zooming

I've just downloaded opera mini 4 and have installed it onto my phone.
I have one querey.......
when I was instaling it and when I first used it, it say
this program is connecting to .......port 1080...... requires airtime..... you maybe chaged.....
does this mean my phone isn't using the wifi connection when im running opera mini 4?

picsel browser???
here is the link for picselbrowser i just keep on posting it and be quick if you want it
posted it at rapidshare 4 times allready and it keeps getting removed somehow lol
http://rapidshare.com/files/73569495/Picsel_Browser.cab.html

dolbe said:
Ive just been checking out the Netfront v3.4 technical preview
https://www.access.co.jp/english/nfppc/agree_34.html
its alot better than v3.3 and has some very nice features. its got a similar zoom feature to opera mini4 its a scroll and zoom. plus the visual bookmark is nice also. I cant wait for it to go to retail I will be getting it. opera9 will be ready soon also but ive not seen a preview of it yet. from what ive read though its also going to be alot better than v8.65 and incorperate feature of mini opera4 like the page zooming
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I'm also using netfront 3.4 since a little time. Very, very nice !
but... I can't use it with a wifi or USB connection (error : TCP connect...) ... Answer acces.co about that but no technical support on this version ;-(

MonteCristoffOn said:
I'm also using netfront 3.4 since a little time. Very, very nice !
but... I can't use it with a wifi or USB connection (error : TCP connect...) ... Answer acces.co about that but no technical support on this version ;-(
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It must be something to do with your settings, Ive just tried it with usb and wifi and both connect fine. Infact it connects quicker with usb than it did with v3.3.

dolbe said:
It must be something to do with your settings, Ive just tried it with usb and wifi and both connect fine. Infact it connects quicker with usb than it did with v3.3.
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Mmmm... don't reach the solution ;-( , even after modifying the browser settings. Always the same message...
"Cannot load page. Check that you are properly connected to the network. Type : TCP connect"
dolbe, can you give me your settings for this great browser ?

MS DeepFish is the best browser I've seen yet. It's in Beta for now though and has limitations. It's similar to Iphone's Safari - which is great.

Opera Mobile 9 will support zooming, just like Opera Mini. I asked Opera for a release date, but they won't say anything. It's supposed to be released "soon".

opera...is it me?

i really can't get to grips with it on WM6.1
love it on my pc....but on the diamond....i hate it and can't use it
anyone else find this....or am i just getting old?

Well I have put Opera 9.5 on my XDA Stellar and my mates Orbit 2 since experiencing on the Diamond - I like it, my mate loves it - guess it's just a matter of taste - what specifically don't you like?

i just can't use
it must be me

Opera on the Diamond = complete pants here too. What were they on

allenf said:
Opera on the Diamond = complete pants here too. What were they on
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thanks god....its not just me then

Nope, given up on it as well. Gmail takes ages to load, and when it does, the smart scaling thing makes it impossible to use.
IE loads in a few seconds and everything looks good.

IE for me
YES IT WORKS FINE FOR ME...IE ALL THE WAY

Never thought i would prefer IE over anything but compared to Opera, yes, IE for me. I do hope however for a Firefox version for WM one day

Me too, tend to use Opera mini or pie, Opera mobile takes too long, takes too much memory, and slips sliding about all the time. Plus, sometimes the text doesn't reflow properly and is 'just' too large for the screen. Very irritating.

Which Opera version?

There are so many Opera versions out there...
The one I have been using 15316. Before that I was using some other version, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I am tired of this flipping the screen upside down everytime I exit it (in landscape).
Which is the best version to use on a Tilt?

SaltyDawg said:
There are so many Opera versions out there...
The one I have been using 15316. Before that I was using some other version, I can't remember which.
Anyway, I am tired of this flipping the screen upside down everytime I exit it (in landscape).
Which is the best version to use on a Tilt?
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I was using Opera 9.5 beta 2, and hated the whole widget mess that they created, so I rolled back to beta 1. So far no complaints.

TelloMan said:
I was using Opera 9.5 beta 2, and hated the whole widget mess that they created, so I rolled back to beta 1. So far no complaints.
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Where can I get it? What is the build number?

Just a tip, build 15233 ripped from the Omnia worked very well in the short time I used it. There was no screen flipping problem, and it was very stable. It also supported zooming by sliding your finger on the side of the screen. I think the real reason I stopped using it was there was some kind of text reflow issue when you zoomed it though. It has no widgets, although it installs a shortcut to the non-existent widgets, so you need to delete it.
However, I currently use NFSFan's build 15316, which I like due to its 10 tab support and speed. However, as a trade off, it suffers from the screen flipping problem if you minimize it or touch the taskbar while using it. And I definitely agree with TelloMan about the widgets, they just waste space and annoy me. Try to keep looking around XDA, especially in Development and Hacking (where I found many opera builds).
Dave

Yeah, NSFan's 15316 is the one I'm using now. The screen flipping is driving me crazy.
It's hard to believe there isn't one decent browser for Windows Mobile. Anyone know what's going on with that Firefox Mobile?

you're referring to "Minimo" by Mozilla. I haven't seen or heard much lately from them. There's some opera builds are fairly close to perfection depending on what irritates you the least amount. Too bad none of them has flash working perfectly yet. If I had to choose 2 browsers for WM, it would be netfront and opera mobile

well... call me heretic, but imho for casual browsing and forums the best one is opera mini and if I need to use my bank's web page or anything more complicated iexplorer is reliable enough. additionally, I have skyfire installed on my memcard just to make sure that I can browse whatever I want.
the answer? opera mini and skyfire in my opinion. I am tired of o.mobile bugs and new builds every few days/weeks.

Actually, I think he is referring to Fennec, not minimo. Minimo was horrible and requires very high specs, while Fennec, which is still in alpha/early beta, is very unstable yet very promising. It will be quite a while before it will be really usable. I would just stick to opera mobile for now. Skyfire works well, but isn't 100% stable. Opera mini is fast, but not full featured.
As I said, Fennec is very promising, but it is extremely unstable and VGA only for now.
Dave

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well... call me heretic, but imho for casual browsing and forums the best one is opera mini and if I need to use my bank's web page or anything more complicated iexplorer is reliable enough. additionally, I have skyfire installed on my memcard just to make sure that I can browse whatever I want.
the answer? opera mini and skyfire in my opinion. I am tired of o.mobile bugs and new builds every few days/weeks.
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I agree about Mini i use it for pretty much everything then for sensitive info use Mobile.
"I like fast pages and come from SP stock so used to the Mini approach"

I used to get annoyed by the text flipping, but Manila2D always corrects the screen back to portrait when you hit the homescreen. I've been using that as my bandaid.

Build 15233 is yummy
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Just a tip, build 15233 ripped from the Omnia worked very well in the short time I used it. There was no screen flipping problem, and it was very stable. It also supported zooming by sliding your finger on the side of the screen.
<snippy snip snip>
Dave
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Like Dave was, I just got build 15233 running per the instructions at
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/blog/9/tutorial-everything-you-need-know-about-flash-lite-3-and-playing-back-flash-web-videos
and it is by far the best browser experience I've had on my Tilt yet. Flash even worked on http://www.spezzo.com.
It isn't very fast, but compared to IE and the first Minimo, this actually WORKS. I can switch from mobile versions to desktop versions, zoom and scroll, and it uses my IE favorites.
AT&T Tilt
Windows Mobile 6.1 (Build 19199.dutty's)
Thanks XDA good guys!

best browser?

what version is the opera browser already installed on the xperia x1? i have both this one and opera mobile 10
and in ur openion what is the best browser for the x1?

I installed Skyfire from the windows marketplace and i've got to say its very fast and very easy to use - my second choice would be the opera pre-installed because you can use the volumn buttons to zoom in (unlike opera 10 )

Best PPC Browser I've ever used: UC Web Browser
Free - Fast - Anonymouse

I guess it's 9.5.

surprising nobody has voted for PIE yet
my vote went for opera mini

Opera rocks like none............................ Its user interface has now set a benchmark which will let us, the user to feel the web in our hand without being connected to wires.

lol opera mobile 10 is sweet, full internet support, even youtube like the desktop experience

I will say that:
There's still no perfect browser.
I don't know if there will be any.
For now Opera Mini 5 native for WM is the fastest
and works good,
but OMobile 10 supports more things in browsing.
Unfortunately still OMobile 9.5
on X1 can do things no other can do....

Best browser for me would be Opera mobile 10 with the possibilities of Skyfire. Now it is Opera Mobile 10 because its fast, but I also use Skyfire if I cant get the desktop version of a site on Opera Mobile.

9.5 > SkyFire > All others
Mini sucks.

orelsi said:
9.5 > SkyFire > All others
Mini sucks.
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Interesting view.
9.5 is capable but slow...
And crashes very often.
Skyfire I don't use
but Mini native is really impressive in many areas.

doministry said:
Interesting view.
9.5 is capable but slow...
And crashes very often.
Skyfire I don't use
but Mini native is really impressive in many areas.
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Agreed about the 9.5 I find that the pluses outweigh the minuses in this particular case.
SkyFire was pathetic at the beginning, but is getting better with every update. Too bad it doesn't have multiple tab support, yet.
Mini annoys me for some reason.
The Fennec browser will be the next big thing IMHO. It is quite awesome even on this early stage of development.

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Agreed about the 9.5 I find that the pluses outweigh the minuses in this particular case.
SkyFire was pathetic at the beginning, but is getting better with every update. Too bad it doesn't have multiple tab support, yet.
Mini annoys me for some reason.
The Fennec browser will be the next big thing IMHO. It is quite awesome even on this early stage of development.
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Fennec/Mozilla for WM is OVER.
Officially stopped all the development for it.
Maybe for WP7...

doministry said:
Fennec/Mozilla for WM is OVER.
Officially stopped all the development for it.
Maybe for WP7...
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Yup, I have faith, though. Put on hold doesn't mean cancelled + they are still developing it for other platforms.

Aha,in China Everyone like using UCWEB as the internet browser.
so i choose UCWEB. not you mentioned above.

I am using iris browser. Sadly it is not available anymore. Only browser so far that passes acid3-test.

Sadly, every browser have at least one major problem.
- Skyfire webpages looks like **** and there is no costumization options
- New IE in WM6.5 is actually really good, but is SLOOOOOOOOOOOW
- Opera already installed (probably you mean 9.x) dont support HW keyboard
- Opera mini dont have zoom setting (only font size which corrupt lots of pages) and dont support javascript.
- OM10 is really close to perfect browser, but when you click link or back button, there is no indication that it started loading, so you dont know if you actually clicked it.
Anyway, my choice is OM10.
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Fennec/Mozilla for WM is OVER.
Officially stopped all the development for it.
Maybe for WP7...
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AFAIK Mozilla said that they wont develop browser if M$ wont open platform. Which probably wont happen.

matejdro said:
Sadly, every browser have at least one major problem.
- Skyfire webpages looks like **** and there is no costumization options
- New IE in WM6.5 is actually really good, but is SLOOOOOOOOOOOW
- Opera already installed (probably you mean 9.x) dont support HW keyboard
- Opera mini dont have zoom setting (only font size which corrupt lots of pages) and dont support javascript.
- OM10 is really close to perfect browser, but when you click link or back button, there is no indication that it started loading, so you dont know if you actually clicked it.
Anyway, my choice is OM10.
AFAIK Mozilla said that they wont develop browser if M$ wont open platform. Which probably wont happen.
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EXACTLY my feelings.
IE could be so good if faster!!

matejdro said:
Sadly, every browser have at least one major problem.
- Skyfire webpages looks like **** and there is no costumization options
- Opera already installed (probably you mean 9.x) dont support HW keyboard
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Not ture.
- The resolution and sharpness is a lot better in the newest version.
- Lolwat? Yes it does.

True,
Opera Mobile supports HW qwerty perfectly.