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It's been bugging me, how the Kaiser has a 400 MHz processor and 128 MB of RAM, yet still isn't quite that snappy. As a point of comparison, I have a Thinkpad 770Z, which has a 233 MHz Pentium II processor and 128 MB of RAM. This is capable of running Windows XP SP2 without excessive lag. The Kaiser runs a stripped down version of Windows, yet isn't quite up to par with an inferior machine, based on specs. Is this due to processor instruction sets or source code efficiency? Why is there such a disparity in performance?
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It's been bugging me, how the Kaiser has a 400 MHz processor and 128 MB of RAM, yet still isn't quite that snappy. As a point of comparison, I have a Thinkpad 770Z, which has a 233 MHz Pentium II processor and 128 MB of RAM. This is capable of running Windows XP SP2 without excessive lag. The Kaiser runs a stripped down version of Windows, yet isn't quite up to par with an inferior machine, based on specs. Is this due to processor instruction sets or source code efficiency? Why is there such a disparity in performance?
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Maybe u should ask HTC.
The two systems are completely different - perhaps it's a bit like expecting a mouse to outrun a rabbit as it has a 500bpm heart rate compared to 130bpm.
Also, are you sure you can run XP well on a 233Mhz P11 with 128mb ram? I have excessive slowness on a 2Ghz Athlon XP with 1gb of Ram (depending on what I'm doing of course)!
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I have a Thinkpad 770Z, which has a 233 MHz Pentium II processor and 128 MB of RAM. This is capable of running Windows XP SP2 without excessive lag.
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I call BS on that one... the smallest hardware I've tried XP on was a PII 400MHz with 256MB, and it was horribly slow and unusable. Next to that the Kaiser is heaven. I can run 10 programs simultaneously without problem and actually would have no reason to complain about it as a mobile device.
As DavidMc0 said, the architectures have nothing in common. Why does a 2GHz core 2 duo beat a 3.5GHz P4 hands down? There's not the same inside. Frequency can only consistently be compared in the same processor type.
I have been repairing and building various computers for about 10 years and i'll tell you that running windows xp with a 233mhz is nonsense. I actually installed windows xp on a customer of mine with a pentium 1 233mhz processor with 128mb of ram. That thing was insanely slow, everyway you look at it. The slowest processor you could run windows xp has to be at least a pentium 3 at above 500mhz. And yes, i even did benchmark, a 2ghz core 2 duo will beat my old 3ghz pentium D all day long.
Yes..that is not a fair comparision...compare apples with apples..by the way this test has already been done....( i.e Kaiser versus other smartphones) in the market...and Kaiser passed the test ( number 1) in all tests.
It could jusst be your phone...i have no problem with my Kaiser..
Cheers.
tytn64 said:
Yes..that is not a fair comparision...compare apples with apples..by the way this test has already been done....( i.e Kaiser versus other smartphones) in the market...and Kaiser passed the test ( number 1) in all tests.
It could jusst be your phone...i have no problem with my Kaiser..
Cheers.
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The test results you write about sound interesting with kaiser coming first in all tests - can you post a link to them?
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It's been bugging me, how the Kaiser has a 400 MHz processor and 128 MB of RAM, yet still isn't quite that snappy. As a point of comparison, I have a Thinkpad 770Z, which has a 233 MHz Pentium II processor and 128 MB of RAM. This is capable of running Windows XP SP2 without excessive lag. The Kaiser runs a stripped down version of Windows, yet isn't quite up to par with an inferior machine, based on specs. Is this due to processor instruction sets or source code efficiency? Why is there such a disparity in performance?
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That is probably the greatest ideia i've ever seen (not!)
So.. you got you PentiumII. I'll not dwell into cache diferences... busses... etc... i'll just point this:
Given that the Pentium 1 needed a heatsink and a fan (normaly)... do you think you would be able to just HOLD your kaiser if it was running a intel cpu like that?
Think before you post...
He would, because the battery would already be empty before it had a chance to heat up that much
Not to forget the slot-mounted PII is bigger than a Kaiser on its own, and still needs a chipset, graphics controller, sound chip to actually serve a purpose
Hi,
i don't know if everybody knows, you can play PSX 1 games on the PockePC devices...
Diamond has a fast Processor VGA Screen so thats good conditions too play games... the bad ones are the missing buttons... but with FPSEce there is also a onscreen Controller so that should not be the problem...
Heres the offical Homepage:
http://www.fpsece.net/
i prefer to use the .96 Beta from Forum!!
heres a vid of running ff7 on a pocketpc:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OTulLVj3Ww
i'm totally impressed with the psx bt controller... i didn't saw/or know that such things exist... so you dont need hardware buttons
i have testet FF7 today too but i don't get it too run...
the Bios starts well.. FPS over 100... but after that noting happens...
i have tryed different img what i could found for download... my original ff7 cd is lost somewhere... so i can't try to rip it off by my self... maybe someone can try this... (Should be done with alcohol as i read somewhere because all other destroys the images to work with the emu...)
any news for this emulator?
COOL! could you add G-sensor support to this? say to press the center button and then use the g-sensor to detect motion and control the direction?
PS2 games me ay also possibly be playable on the diamond,
Remember the Diamond has a 528 MHz processor, while the PS2 has only 294MHz processor
specs at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2
sorry.. if u are saying the diamond is faster than a ps2.. its not.. the processor speed is simply not the same
for e.g.
1ghz on pentium and 1ghz on pentium 4 with HT.. which is faster? de latter rite...
plus ps2 has a well powered GPU.. diamond has a dedicated video chip but its not v powerful.. merely for touchflo 3D...
try installing pocket pc games like tony hawkk pro skater 2 which was also released on the ps1 and u know wad im toking about.. even with hardware acceleration the game isnt as smooth as playing on the ps1 itself..
actually
actually yes and no to a few people above me
the ps2 actually has 2 cpus a 299mhz cpu and a 150mhz co-processor
these would be the hardest to emulate the 299mhz cpu is actually the easy one the 150mhz cpu is a vector (floating point) cpu which arm cpus (like the diamonds) do very slowly however the graphics card is a 16 pipe 147mhz 4mb graphics card which belive it or not we have more power than (the diamond has a 333mhz 12 pipe gfx card with 16mb of faster ram) but the problem is that there is no driver for the card on the diamond for developers like me to use.
so the short story is yes it is doable even at 30fps if they could use the gfx card to emulate the co-processor but it would take a lot of development time and skills to do and some help from HTC to do it in a relistic time...
In my experience, you need a CPU with at least 10 times the clock speed of the chip you're trying to emulate, unfortunately. That's before you take dedicated graphics processors etc. into account. It will be a good while before we see PS2 games being run on phones.
i managed to get destruction derby working on my trinity at ~24 fps which slowed down to 13 fps when you touched the screen. i am sure the diamond could do better
idrisito said:
i managed to get destruction derby working on my trinity at ~24 fps which slowed down to 13 fps when you touched the screen.
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yup, the infamous touchscreen cpuusage bug HTC hasn't been bothered fixing for 2.5 years...
I've tried the emulator with... Tekken 3 . Just 12-13 fps in portrait mode, so it works but not playable. If you try it in landscape mode, it doesn't work. And the onscreen pad is too small on Diamond screen.
It'd be nice if everyone posted
Games: | Options enabled/disabled | FPS
No need for compatibility, since it's available on the website.
danthekilla said:
actually yes and no to a few people above me
the ps2 actually has 2 cpus a 299mhz cpu and a 150mhz co-processor
these would be the hardest to emulate the 299mhz cpu is actually the easy one the 150mhz cpu is a vector (floating point) cpu which arm cpus (like the diamonds) do very slowly however the graphics card is a 16 pipe 147mhz 4mb graphics card which belive it or not we have more power than (the diamond has a 333mhz 12 pipe gfx card with 16mb of faster ram) but the problem is that there is no driver for the card on the diamond for developers like me to use.
so the short story is yes it is doable even at 30fps if they could use the gfx card to emulate the co-processor but it would take a lot of development time and skills to do and some help from HTC to do it in a relistic time...
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So, Diamond still doesent have video drivers? It must have some. And only 16 MB RAM ? Co-procesor has 64 MB RAM, does he?
I've tried the emulator with FF7 but 27 fps in portrait mode
isnt 27fps a very good and playable speed? or is the problem because thats in portrait mode?
27 fps is very slow and not playable
27 is good speed, I played llots of games on my PC on 22 FPS.
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27 is good speed, I played llots of games on my PC on 22 FPS.
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Hahahaha lol. Thats funny.
so i would say 27fps is not awesome but it's defenitly more than enough for FF7.
a average cam used for TV captures about 25f/s
It has to be at least 21fps if you want to cheat the eye.
always posted in this forum...read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409990 i've made various test with FFIX
I could not get the fpsece run on my diamond. Although I have copied bios file in bios folder (I've already have a PS 1 so everything is legal) and try some game. But after trying to open .iso's diamond stucks for 15 seconds and nothing happens.... Any ideas?
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isnt 27fps a very good and playable speed? or is the problem because thats in portrait mode?
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Yes it is! Especially when you consider that its max Fps on the actual PS1 was 30Fps
hello
Xperia X1 has a Qualcomm MSM7200 528MHz processor and Omnia i900 has a 624MHz Marvell PXA312 processor , now the question is :
Xperia cpu has the top speed or Omnia Cpu ???
please answer with full detail and full info !!!
thanks
ofcource omnia has a faster cpu
xperia in my opinion is suffering from not optimal firmware..
however i have seen a video online about xperia vs touch pro when switching landscape to port. , xperia wins..
what do u intend to use the phone for most impt.
CPU speed has nothing to do with actual performance, there are many variables there like RAM, video processor and many other things.
so if you want to know which is better between the two by comparing the CPU, then i think you are heading the wrong way.
samy.3660 said:
ofcource omnia has a faster cpu
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thanks but i need full details !!!
May i know why my Quake 3 only running 1fps on my xperia?
mcbyte_it said:
CPU speed has nothing to do with actual performance, there are many variables there like RAM, video processor and many other things.
so if you want to know which is better between the two by comparing the CPU, then i think you are heading the wrong way.
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you right !!!
i want to now xperia x1 has top speed and top performance or Omnia i900 !!!
xperia have 256mb ram and omnia have 128mb ram !!!
I also got an Fujitsu Siemens n560 with xscale 624MHz (pxa 27* i think) and its twice as fast as xperia playing vga avi.
If i compare the time they need to open /windows for example, the xperia is faster.
The qualcomm is made to run with extra graphics chip i think and is slow if it has to draw something itself.
Der_Immitanz_konverter said:
I also got an Fujitsu Siemens n560 with xscale 624MHz (pxa 27* i think) and its twice as fast as xperia playing vga avi.
If i compare the time they need to open /windows for example, the xperia is faster.
The qualcomm is made to run with extra graphics chip i think and is slow if it has to draw something itself.
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thanks ! nice !!
command , more info , you can do it !!!
CPU Topic only...
No brainer! 624MHz > 528MHz.. Omnia Wins!
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frankly, you can't compare CPU with MHZ. depends on the internal structure.. for example, u take a pentium 3 CPU 3GHZ vs intel core 2 3GHZ, intel core 2 will be WAY faster
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frankly, you can't compare CPU with MHZ. depends on the internal structure.. for example, u take a pentium 3 CPU 3GHZ vs intel core 2 3GHZ, intel core 2 will be WAY faster
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yes , you right !!! we can't compare CPU with MHZ !!!!
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yes , you right !!! we can't compare CPU with MHZ !!!!
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I have to disagree on this one.
Of course there are hundreds of important facts, how the CPU is processing the data, which structure it is using, what processes can be outsourced, how they are transferred and so on.
But these are concerns of the processor type and its environment.
The MHz say, how many operations the CPU can do per second. That is the only indication of its real speed.
Just think about the car industry. If you want to compare the power of an engine to another, everything that counts is the power. There are thousands of reasons why the car with the weaker engine could be faster than the other (maybe the stronger engine is built in a truck or what else).
But you wanted to compare the engines, so the most powerful wins.
I'm sure, the opener of the thread rather wanted to hear about the overall phone speed, but then he asked the wrong question.
i remember he powerpc cpu used to be lower than p4 but used to run a lot faster. i think the ram is the bigger factor between these 2 handsets. i know the x1 has a due core cpu, not sure on the other handset.
correct me if im wrong but these are both based on the same arm cpu right?
damskie said:
CPU Topic only...
No brainer! 624MHz > 528MHz.. Omnia Wins!
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Just like the old AMD 64 series CPU's beat Intel Pentium 4 chips which ran at a way higher clockspeed?
Get the facts straight before posting ignorant posts like that. Pure clockspeed has nothing to do with overall performance of a CPU.
Non scientific answer here, but ive got both phones.
The omnia on the stock Vodafone UK rom was slow as ya like to the point where the phone was almost useless.
Both phones with cooked roms on them perform about the same.
Personal winner... cant choose, omnia better as a phone, x1 better as a pda, not amazed by either.
lol not amazed by either
Simple test. One is Divx certified and the other isn't. That's a true performance test.
Hi,
i used to have both phone and i have used them and test them a lot.
for processors mhz doesn't mean anything sine a long time now.That why industry has creatd mips instead of frequency . Why ? for instance take a pentium 1 266mhz and a pentium 1 mmx 266mhz. same frequency but p1 mmx was way faster because of optimise instructions inside the cpu itself. Don't forgot we speak for frenquency about cpu cycles. before it was 1 cpu cycle = one simple operation since mmx 1cpu cycle severals operations. So you can have a very high frequency processor which can do worst than a lesser frenquency one. Compare Pentium 2 400mhz with a G3 266 mhz. G3 had the same performance. Why? not the same technology inside. A core 2 duo 1.8gz will outperform an p4 4 ghz even with more than 2ghz frenquency difference!!!
So to come back to the thread. omnia 1 arm cpu. xperia qualcomm 2700a.
2700a = dual core processor with integrated gpu. 1 core for the pda 1 core for the phone and 1 core for the 3d graphic cards( omnia doesn't have an accelerated graphic card.) So with the actual firmware we can say that omnia has reached the maximum of its capabilities. Which is not true with the xperia.
in cpu benchmark the two are about equals. But xperia is faster in all the other domain like memory access ...better multitasking on xperia.
for example on omnia when using their touchscroll music player if you got a lot of music the music will stop during the scrolling because scrolling" iphone like" takes a lot of ram....
the truth is that it's better to have more ram and a less powerfull processor than having a powerfull processor and no ram.
after a lot of testing i have sold my omnia and kept my xperia.
it's only my opinion with the test i made.
cheers.
NuShrike said:
Simple test. One is Divx certified and the other isn't. That's a true performance test.
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divx playback with the integrated player was shocking. Packets of pixels everywhere...thx coreplayer to play divx so well!! and the resolution is a bit too small 240*400.
only samsung phone are divx certified... maybe because the other construtor didn't ask for the certification.
hi....
im highly keen on gettin the diamond2 when it comes out (due to the guaranteed free upgrade to 6.5, and for under £400 there isn't much else that rivals it (correct me on this tho if i'm unaware of any rivals!))
BUT. doing research on the chipset i've heard and seen all sorts of posts about bad drivers for the qualcomm chipset that was used in the first touch diamond, about how the video performance was terrible, and how they underperformed compared to much older chips!
So........does anyone know whether the video performance of this diamond2 will be better/whether HTC have fixed these issues/whether the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 is different to the one in the 1st diamond, or if its been updated or what?
basically.......is the phone going to work as expected! i currently have an ipaq 614c with an intel chipset, PXA270. I mean...is the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 better??
iv'e also heard that the htc touch HD solved a lot of the problems or something because it had better drivers? if this is true.............the specs on the htc website show the touchHD as having a Qualcomm MSM 7201A. Whereas the Htc touch diamond2 has a Qualcomm MSM 7200A. Now..........whats the difference. Is the 7201A the decent correct chipset with good video performance (if all of the above is true), and the 7200 the crappy one??
until i have answers to all these questions.....i won't be able to focus on university
I think the 7201A is the a 7200 with certain features that would infrnge some US patents deactiviated.
Could be wrong?
The MSM7201A is just like the MSM7200, Graphics wise. Only difference is that HTC adds a "driver" for their so-called 3D...
Look into the Blackstone forums to see for yourself about the performance of the MSM7201A chipset. Then decide if you're still going to buy it. (I wouldn't, although i've got a Blackstone)
no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide
Rudegar said:
no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide
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Hmm I live in France, bought a Touch HD, and got a MSM7201a chipste on my device from Orange France. Nothing related to the american market here.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can do 3G with my phone so...
The last a in MSM7201a and MSM7200a indicates that it's a 528 MHz version, without a it's 400 MHz. I've read that HTC went back to the MSM7200a version because of the poor video recording performance on the MSM7201a chip. So, I guess it may be older, but it's better. That's why both the D2 and the Pro2 get that one.
I guess the chipset could be allright. But HTC hasn't been all that good in providing proper drivers (so it seems).
Although I'm beginning to wonder if the Qualcomm chipsets are actually able to do good 2d and 3d graphics.
For example, when comparing it to a Samsung Omnia with a 624mhz Marvell it's really a world of difference. Ofcourse the Omnia has a smaller resolution (wqvga instead of vga) but it's much much faster than my Diamond (in about everything).
Especially when playing a movie or something with quite a high resolution (divx for example). It's much faster than the Diamond, and usually plays everything without any problem. Even compared to a Diamond with Coreplayer (for the Qualcomm video support).
So.. in short. I would not quite put all my hope on HTC delivering some magical drivers which increase performance a lot.
I rather think the Diamond2 will be much like the original Diamond. But with extra software features like a new TouchFLO 3D and some extra/other hardware features.
Looking at HTC's track record I doubt 'new high performance qualcomm drivers' is not one of the new software features.
edit: Btw, obviously don't take my word on this. I'd say if you are interested in a Diamond2, wait for it to be available and give it a nice test run. Check it out for yourself and see if you like it and think the speed is good enough for you. In the end that's all what counts, if you are happy with your/the device or not!
Like you said , the Omnia is only 400x240 with a CPU clocked 100mhz higher. The msm7201a in the diamond is running slower and has to push X2.74 more pixels! (and 3x more on the wvga phones). it has nothing to do with drivers (the majority doesn't seem to understand that) now regarding video perf that's another story. Coreplayer support HW accel on the Omnia (PXA cpu) but not on the Qualcomm chips (the Qtv mode is only a hack to accel DDdraw overlay) Only
WMP/HTc album support HW accel (and only on MP4 files).
I'm certainly not expecting any dramatic speed enhancements from the D2. And like I said, the difference between the 00 and the 01 is, as I read elsewhere, the video recording speed, not the playback.
Take a look here
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp
Clearly HTC devices for some reason perform worse than 3 year old devices. These new devices will be no different as they are based on the same hardware. HTC are a joke.
So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?
So...
Moby2kBug said:
So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?
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I think the toshiba G01 with an 1Ghz Snapdragon CPU,
the HTC "Superstar" with Nvidia chipset
the HTC "Star" with Snapdragon CPU
the Acer F1 with an 800Mhz Snapdragon CPU and an ATI co-processor
Add if I missed one
All of them should run 3D-games etc. well
I would take the F1 from Acer, because it's sleek and elegant designed and only priced at 560€.
take a look: http://translate.google.com/transla...apdragon-cpu.html&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=
I've been playing around with Coreplayer by watching TV programs recorded by Vista media centre from a network share. It plays the video at 31 fps and looks absolutely stunning.
Also, screen rotation from landscape to portrait is instantaneous.
I am not too worried about the chipset when I see this performance.
It records video in VGA no problems and plays back no problem - to me, it has no problem with Video
From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65. So the 7201a should be slightly more power efficient (although if it is only the CPU I don't know what the net difference will be).
Why they switched is a mystery. At first I assumed that it was related to their supply side situation: They have plants that can build 7200a and rather than revampt them, they released a few devices that use the 7200a rather than the 7201a.
Ingore that one - the Topaz and Rhodium each have the 7201a. The 7200a was a typo.
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From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65.
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Nope That's what the "a" is for:
7200/7201 (not sure it exists): 90 nm process
7200a/7201a: 65 nm process
the 7201(if it exists)/7201a peculiarity is really due to a US patent. and this peculiarity is a downgrade...So if you have the choice between a 7200 and 7201, pick the 7200 if video recording is important to you, else pick randomly (or the cheaper ;-) ).
Whilst it may not be the fastest device in the world, for a 'Joke' company the reviews of the touch diamond2 are pretty good wouldnt you say?
Its a phone by the way!
PS. My touch diamond 2 has the 7200a, it says so in the 'Device information'
I don't have performance problems....movies in full DVD resolution are playing smooth, GPS lag isn't present, as on TD1...so I am copmpletely satisfied..
Actually speaking of GPS, it seems to work much much better on the TD2 than any others i have tried it against (kaiser/touch pro 2) I actually have close to full reception in buildings that the others wouldnt pick up on.
Video playback works great in media player with .mp4 files.
And the whole thing is just really responsive and fast at a stock rom vs the kaiser and touch pro 2.
Found the datasheet on MSM7200A, would be pleased if any of you guys check it and compare it to iPhone graphics chip
Xperia proccessor MSM7200A, with integrated graphics chip
iPhone graphics chip PowerVR MBX-Lite (Sorry no datasheet)
Since the most popular (because of its app store, games quantity) is iPhone,
And I must say iPhone games are really superb for a graphics aspect, imo best graphics in mobile phones/pda/smartphones field. (like Sims 3, NFS Undercover), I wonder if Xperia could do the same.
In GSM arena, I discovered that iPhone graphics chip is Powervr MBX-Lite (On iPhone & iPhone 3G), featuring OpenGL ES 1.1, OpenVG 1.0, Direct3D and of course full 2D/3D support, which, compared MSM7200A integrated ATi accelaration, well, really Im not a Pro out here, so I've just found a Datasheet on this.
Not to tell about the WM gaming industry, which is ermm "....", but the fact, hope, that we could have this...
Now we have almost everything - itje, who dedicated very much to xda (his roms, other deeds are priceless) ((ofcourse his Touch-IT testing team, who not only answer touch-it related questions but is active like everyhwere)) other Rom and active app's/ xda contributors like gtrab, smaberg, jackleung,Tnyynt, fingerkeyboard makers, HTC encoder makers, other guys, fixing our phone bugs, creating soft for us,moderators... I could go on and on
naming these great people, who raised up our xperia from stock to almost perfection.
So only issue is...(for me ) gaming.
Heard that EA, gameloft are porting iPhone games to newer WM devices, but, I dont think that these sources are...well...realistic.
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Been looking in forums, web, to be precise, everywhere, even Xperia X1 White Paper, but Still havent got clarified answer on what Graphics chip does Xperia use. So I made several assumptions, by checking the information a little bit.
As common answer is Xperia uses ATI Imageon 2700, in Wikipedia there's no such chip number as "2700", also, Products with Imageon well, there's no xperia!
Imo, variants Xperia graphics chip is "Imageon 2388/2380" or "Imageon 2300" (If its even Imageon) , just need you guys to clarify this.
Just why I am making this thread - since Xperia is very versatile, like music/internet/messaging/videos with qwerty and etc. the only problem (for me), well, not as a problem, but as a shortage - gaming.
We have ScuMMM, sNes, sega, even PSX emu's, and maybe one game, who shows what Xperia is capable of - Xtrakt.
Since the most popular (because of its app store, games quantity) is iPhone,
And I must say iPhone games are really superb for a graphics aspect, imo best graphics in mobile phones/pda/smartphones field. (like Sims 3, NFS Undercover), I wonder if Xperia could do the same.
In GSM arena, I discovered that iPhone graphics chip is Powervr MBX-Lite (On iPhone & iPhone 3G), featuring OpenGL ES 1.1, OpenVG 1.0, Direct3D and of course full 2D/3D support, which, compared to "Imageon 2388/2380", is "almost" equal (dunno about Direct3D, although I think its not supported by Imageon) , so if any of you would tell whats the Xperia graphics chip, we would clarify the fact that we "could" enjoy the iPhone graphics (^^)
Not to tell about the WM gaming industry, which is ermm "....", but the fact, hope, that we could have this...
Now we have almost everything - itje, who dedicated very much to xda (his roms, other deeds are priceless) ((ofcourse his Touch-IT testing team, who not only answer touch-it related questions but is active like everyhwere)) other Rom and active app's/ xda contributors like gtrab, smaberg, jackleung,Tnyynt, fingerkeyboard makers, HTC encoder makers, other guys, fixing our phone bugs, creating soft for us,moderators... I could go on and on
naming these great people, who raised up our xperia from stock to almost perfection.
So only issue is...(for me ) gaming.
Heard that EA, gameloft are porting iPhone games to newer WM devices, but, I dont think that these sources are...well...realistic.
My target is to clarify Xperia graphics potential, know full information about graphics chip
P.S. Yes I've searched xda/google for this like crazy. Sorry for this thread to go as a poem.
P.S.S. Yes Xperia is business class phone, but hey, why not to dream? It still has got one of the best HW on WM devices around.
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Could you maybe find out by taking the x1 apart and looking at all of the chips? I looked at some videos online but couldnt see the names on any chips - not sure if it would even say but it seems as if it could work - i looked around a bit too and i keep hearing about the Imageon 2300 but i cant confirm it sorry
the ati part is not a chip it's intergrated into the qualcomm cpu
http://www.google.dk/search?source=ig&hl=da&rlz=&q=MSM7200a+ati&btnG=Google-søgning&aq=f&oq=
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Well its not the 2300, here a quote from ati "Imageon 2300 integrates an advanced 2D and 3D graphics engine, MPEG-4 video decoder, JPEG encoding/decoding, and a 2 Mega pixel camera sub-system processing engine. With support for up to 2MB of ultra low-power SDRAM, it "
link:http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2300/
since we have (being said) 128 mb shared ram and ive also read some where in some sheet that we have an tuned up gpu. (this is all speculative tho)
and why do the touch pro have 288 and we 256 ram? do we have a better gpu needing more ram ?
Updated the post, please check, now only we need guys to compare both phones graphics capability.
Chaosstorm said:
Well its not the 2300, here a quote from ati "Imageon 2300 integrates an advanced 2D and 3D graphics engine, MPEG-4 video decoder, JPEG encoding/decoding, and a 2 Mega pixel camera sub-system processing engine. With support for up to 2MB of ultra low-power SDRAM, it "
link:http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2300/
since we have (being said) 128 mb shared ram and ive also read some where in some sheet that we have an tuned up gpu. (this is all speculative tho)
and why do the touch pro have 288 and we 256 ram? do we have a better gpu needing more ram ?
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Seems like SE/HTC made some kind of adjustment with these GPU on xperia's MSM7200A, wondering what, so your guessing might be right about better xperia's gpu, or its just that touch pro's all interface/oem/os modifications are more "hungry" for ram.
Just for curiosity, new released iPhone 3GS has PowerVR SGX535 graphics, also SE iDou has same chip from SGX family (530 one), so we can expect awesome graphics, chip's techinical capabilities are very big:
# next generation fully programmable universal scalable shader architecture
# exceeding requirements of OpenGL 2.0 and up to DirectX 10.1 Shader Model 4.1
Just that 3GS's chip will be better than iDou's (535 - 28MPolys/s , 530 - 14 MPolys/s)
soo..... where can we find an D3D drivers for X1i?