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Xperia X1 CPU vs Omnia i900 CPU

hello
Xperia X1 has a Qualcomm MSM7200 528MHz processor and Omnia i900 has a 624MHz Marvell PXA312 processor , now the question is :
Xperia cpu has the top speed or Omnia Cpu ???
please answer with full detail and full info !!!
thanks

ofcource omnia has a faster cpu

xperia in my opinion is suffering from not optimal firmware..
however i have seen a video online about xperia vs touch pro when switching landscape to port. , xperia wins..
what do u intend to use the phone for most impt.

CPU speed has nothing to do with actual performance, there are many variables there like RAM, video processor and many other things.
so if you want to know which is better between the two by comparing the CPU, then i think you are heading the wrong way.

samy.3660 said:
ofcource omnia has a faster cpu
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thanks but i need full details !!!

May i know why my Quake 3 only running 1fps on my xperia?

mcbyte_it said:
CPU speed has nothing to do with actual performance, there are many variables there like RAM, video processor and many other things.
so if you want to know which is better between the two by comparing the CPU, then i think you are heading the wrong way.
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you right !!!
i want to now xperia x1 has top speed and top performance or Omnia i900 !!!
xperia have 256mb ram and omnia have 128mb ram !!!

I also got an Fujitsu Siemens n560 with xscale 624MHz (pxa 27* i think) and its twice as fast as xperia playing vga avi.
If i compare the time they need to open /windows for example, the xperia is faster.
The qualcomm is made to run with extra graphics chip i think and is slow if it has to draw something itself.

Der_Immitanz_konverter said:
I also got an Fujitsu Siemens n560 with xscale 624MHz (pxa 27* i think) and its twice as fast as xperia playing vga avi.
If i compare the time they need to open /windows for example, the xperia is faster.
The qualcomm is made to run with extra graphics chip i think and is slow if it has to draw something itself.
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thanks ! nice !!
command , more info , you can do it !!!

CPU Topic only...
No brainer! 624MHz > 528MHz.. Omnia Wins!
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frankly, you can't compare CPU with MHZ. depends on the internal structure.. for example, u take a pentium 3 CPU 3GHZ vs intel core 2 3GHZ, intel core 2 will be WAY faster

leobox1 said:
frankly, you can't compare CPU with MHZ. depends on the internal structure.. for example, u take a pentium 3 CPU 3GHZ vs intel core 2 3GHZ, intel core 2 will be WAY faster
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yes , you right !!! we can't compare CPU with MHZ !!!!

xxl2005 said:
yes , you right !!! we can't compare CPU with MHZ !!!!
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I have to disagree on this one.
Of course there are hundreds of important facts, how the CPU is processing the data, which structure it is using, what processes can be outsourced, how they are transferred and so on.
But these are concerns of the processor type and its environment.
The MHz say, how many operations the CPU can do per second. That is the only indication of its real speed.
Just think about the car industry. If you want to compare the power of an engine to another, everything that counts is the power. There are thousands of reasons why the car with the weaker engine could be faster than the other (maybe the stronger engine is built in a truck or what else).
But you wanted to compare the engines, so the most powerful wins.
I'm sure, the opener of the thread rather wanted to hear about the overall phone speed, but then he asked the wrong question.

i remember he powerpc cpu used to be lower than p4 but used to run a lot faster. i think the ram is the bigger factor between these 2 handsets. i know the x1 has a due core cpu, not sure on the other handset.
correct me if im wrong but these are both based on the same arm cpu right?

damskie said:
CPU Topic only...
No brainer! 624MHz > 528MHz.. Omnia Wins!
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Just like the old AMD 64 series CPU's beat Intel Pentium 4 chips which ran at a way higher clockspeed?
Get the facts straight before posting ignorant posts like that. Pure clockspeed has nothing to do with overall performance of a CPU.

Non scientific answer here, but ive got both phones.
The omnia on the stock Vodafone UK rom was slow as ya like to the point where the phone was almost useless.
Both phones with cooked roms on them perform about the same.
Personal winner... cant choose, omnia better as a phone, x1 better as a pda, not amazed by either.

lol not amazed by either

Simple test. One is Divx certified and the other isn't. That's a true performance test.

Hi,
i used to have both phone and i have used them and test them a lot.
for processors mhz doesn't mean anything sine a long time now.That why industry has creatd mips instead of frequency . Why ? for instance take a pentium 1 266mhz and a pentium 1 mmx 266mhz. same frequency but p1 mmx was way faster because of optimise instructions inside the cpu itself. Don't forgot we speak for frenquency about cpu cycles. before it was 1 cpu cycle = one simple operation since mmx 1cpu cycle severals operations. So you can have a very high frequency processor which can do worst than a lesser frenquency one. Compare Pentium 2 400mhz with a G3 266 mhz. G3 had the same performance. Why? not the same technology inside. A core 2 duo 1.8gz will outperform an p4 4 ghz even with more than 2ghz frenquency difference!!!
So to come back to the thread. omnia 1 arm cpu. xperia qualcomm 2700a.
2700a = dual core processor with integrated gpu. 1 core for the pda 1 core for the phone and 1 core for the 3d graphic cards( omnia doesn't have an accelerated graphic card.) So with the actual firmware we can say that omnia has reached the maximum of its capabilities. Which is not true with the xperia.
in cpu benchmark the two are about equals. But xperia is faster in all the other domain like memory access ...better multitasking on xperia.
for example on omnia when using their touchscroll music player if you got a lot of music the music will stop during the scrolling because scrolling" iphone like" takes a lot of ram....
the truth is that it's better to have more ram and a less powerfull processor than having a powerfull processor and no ram.
after a lot of testing i have sold my omnia and kept my xperia.
it's only my opinion with the test i made.
cheers.

NuShrike said:
Simple test. One is Divx certified and the other isn't. That's a true performance test.
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divx playback with the integrated player was shocking. Packets of pixels everywhere...thx coreplayer to play divx so well!! and the resolution is a bit too small 240*400.
only samsung phone are divx certified... maybe because the other construtor didn't ask for the certification.

Graphics Performance (Is it really that bad?)

Hello!
I am thinking about buying a htc diamond but i am concerned with what i read about graphic performance of this device. Is it really that bad? I would like to play some games on it (among other things). Does it have problems handlig common games or its just few games that do not run smoothly? I would sacrifice some really demanding games but if it is more serious than that ,it is an issue I can't overcome.

First of all, the Diamond isn't a dedicated multimedia device so you cannot expect stunning graphics from it's video chipset. Sure, you can find alot of nice 3D games around that work great on the Diamond, some with some tweaks here and there ( Flux Challenge, COD 2, Quake, Anthelion, etc. ), but that really depends on your expectations. Those "demanding games" you mentioned don't shed any light on the situation. Please be more specific!

I dont intend to use it as a gaming as a gaming platform but struggling to find a game hat will run smoothly won't make me happy. Is it just a small number of games that diamond will have problems with or is it a majority? (I am not a windows mobile user yet and so i am not familiar with its games)

The Diamond should handle pretty much any Pocket PC game you throw at it.
--
David (PocketGamer Editor)

The HTC Touch Diamond can handle any PPC game.
Do u know that in Diamond there is an AMD Imageon 3D Hardware chip?
Search in the forum, there's a D3D driver for handling all D3D hardware requests.
That thing will infinitely speed up D3D Hardware rendering.

qualcomm chipset isn't good????

hi....
im highly keen on gettin the diamond2 when it comes out (due to the guaranteed free upgrade to 6.5, and for under £400 there isn't much else that rivals it (correct me on this tho if i'm unaware of any rivals!))
BUT. doing research on the chipset i've heard and seen all sorts of posts about bad drivers for the qualcomm chipset that was used in the first touch diamond, about how the video performance was terrible, and how they underperformed compared to much older chips!
So........does anyone know whether the video performance of this diamond2 will be better/whether HTC have fixed these issues/whether the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 is different to the one in the 1st diamond, or if its been updated or what?
basically.......is the phone going to work as expected! i currently have an ipaq 614c with an intel chipset, PXA270. I mean...is the qualcomm chipset in the diamond2 better??
iv'e also heard that the htc touch HD solved a lot of the problems or something because it had better drivers? if this is true.............the specs on the htc website show the touchHD as having a Qualcomm MSM 7201A. Whereas the Htc touch diamond2 has a Qualcomm MSM 7200A. Now..........whats the difference. Is the 7201A the decent correct chipset with good video performance (if all of the above is true), and the 7200 the crappy one??
until i have answers to all these questions.....i won't be able to focus on university

I think the 7201A is the a 7200 with certain features that would infrnge some US patents deactiviated.
Could be wrong?

The MSM7201A is just like the MSM7200, Graphics wise. Only difference is that HTC adds a "driver" for their so-called 3D...
Look into the Blackstone forums to see for yourself about the performance of the MSM7201A chipset. Then decide if you're still going to buy it. (I wouldn't, although i've got a Blackstone)

no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide

Rudegar said:
no MSM7200a is the world version
which include the ability to recoard vga at 30fps and the world 3g frequescies
MSM7201A is the american version which don't include the 30fps video capture because of a patent by broadcom and it use the american 3g frequescies
this is pure chip hardware and dont have anything to do with what
drivers htc provide
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Hmm I live in France, bought a Touch HD, and got a MSM7201a chipste on my device from Orange France. Nothing related to the american market here.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can do 3G with my phone so...

The last a in MSM7201a and MSM7200a indicates that it's a 528 MHz version, without a it's 400 MHz. I've read that HTC went back to the MSM7200a version because of the poor video recording performance on the MSM7201a chip. So, I guess it may be older, but it's better. That's why both the D2 and the Pro2 get that one.

I guess the chipset could be allright. But HTC hasn't been all that good in providing proper drivers (so it seems).
Although I'm beginning to wonder if the Qualcomm chipsets are actually able to do good 2d and 3d graphics.
For example, when comparing it to a Samsung Omnia with a 624mhz Marvell it's really a world of difference. Ofcourse the Omnia has a smaller resolution (wqvga instead of vga) but it's much much faster than my Diamond (in about everything).
Especially when playing a movie or something with quite a high resolution (divx for example). It's much faster than the Diamond, and usually plays everything without any problem. Even compared to a Diamond with Coreplayer (for the Qualcomm video support).
So.. in short. I would not quite put all my hope on HTC delivering some magical drivers which increase performance a lot.
I rather think the Diamond2 will be much like the original Diamond. But with extra software features like a new TouchFLO 3D and some extra/other hardware features.
Looking at HTC's track record I doubt 'new high performance qualcomm drivers' is not one of the new software features.
edit: Btw, obviously don't take my word on this. I'd say if you are interested in a Diamond2, wait for it to be available and give it a nice test run. Check it out for yourself and see if you like it and think the speed is good enough for you. In the end that's all what counts, if you are happy with your/the device or not!

Like you said , the Omnia is only 400x240 with a CPU clocked 100mhz higher. The msm7201a in the diamond is running slower and has to push X2.74 more pixels! (and 3x more on the wvga phones). it has nothing to do with drivers (the majority doesn't seem to understand that) now regarding video perf that's another story. Coreplayer support HW accel on the Omnia (PXA cpu) but not on the Qualcomm chips (the Qtv mode is only a hack to accel DDdraw overlay) Only
WMP/HTc album support HW accel (and only on MP4 files).

I'm certainly not expecting any dramatic speed enhancements from the D2. And like I said, the difference between the 00 and the 01 is, as I read elsewhere, the video recording speed, not the playback.

Take a look here
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp
Clearly HTC devices for some reason perform worse than 3 year old devices. These new devices will be no different as they are based on the same hardware. HTC are a joke.

So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?

So...
Moby2kBug said:
So whats a good handy with good 2D/3D performance and Windows Mobile on it?
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I think the toshiba G01 with an 1Ghz Snapdragon CPU,
the HTC "Superstar" with Nvidia chipset
the HTC "Star" with Snapdragon CPU
the Acer F1 with an 800Mhz Snapdragon CPU and an ATI co-processor
Add if I missed one
All of them should run 3D-games etc. well
I would take the F1 from Acer, because it's sleek and elegant designed and only priced at 560€.
take a look: http://translate.google.com/transla...apdragon-cpu.html&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=

I've been playing around with Coreplayer by watching TV programs recorded by Vista media centre from a network share. It plays the video at 31 fps and looks absolutely stunning.
Also, screen rotation from landscape to portrait is instantaneous.
I am not too worried about the chipset when I see this performance.

It records video in VGA no problems and plays back no problem - to me, it has no problem with Video

From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65. So the 7201a should be slightly more power efficient (although if it is only the CPU I don't know what the net difference will be).
Why they switched is a mystery. At first I assumed that it was related to their supply side situation: They have plants that can build 7200a and rather than revampt them, they released a few devices that use the 7200a rather than the 7201a.

Ingore that one - the Topaz and Rhodium each have the 7201a. The 7200a was a typo.

pidsw said:
From what I have read the difference between the 7201a and the 7200a is the fab process: 90 vs 65.
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Nope That's what the "a" is for:
7200/7201 (not sure it exists): 90 nm process
7200a/7201a: 65 nm process
the 7201(if it exists)/7201a peculiarity is really due to a US patent. and this peculiarity is a downgrade...So if you have the choice between a 7200 and 7201, pick the 7200 if video recording is important to you, else pick randomly (or the cheaper ;-) ).

Whilst it may not be the fastest device in the world, for a 'Joke' company the reviews of the touch diamond2 are pretty good wouldnt you say?
Its a phone by the way!
PS. My touch diamond 2 has the 7200a, it says so in the 'Device information'

I don't have performance problems....movies in full DVD resolution are playing smooth, GPS lag isn't present, as on TD1...so I am copmpletely satisfied..

Actually speaking of GPS, it seems to work much much better on the TD2 than any others i have tried it against (kaiser/touch pro 2) I actually have close to full reception in buildings that the others wouldnt pick up on.
Video playback works great in media player with .mp4 files.
And the whole thing is just really responsive and fast at a stock rom vs the kaiser and touch pro 2.

Hardware Graphics Acceleration

Why doesn't the G1 have hardware graphics acceleration? Doesn't it have a GPU? Wouldn't this make scrolling smooth like the iPhone?

im note sure it only lists a cpu in the specs on the htc site

I think it does have a GPU but its pretty limited. I believe it supports the OpenGPL API? I could be wrong though... However yes, all smartphones should have a decent GPU really to help things along.
I'm eargerly awaiting the Sony Ericsson XPERIA3 ^_^

It does have hardware graphics acceleration. There is a demo game in the market called Neocore that demonstrates some of the possibilities.
If you don't want to install it, there is a youtube video here
I think the RAM is the major limiting factor, not the graphics. We used to have the same Graphics chip as the iphoney...but damn if the 3G-S didn't leapfrog us.

RAM is only one thing, the iPhone 3G S has a much better CPU too as its a nerfed version of their multi-core CPU coming out next year.
We should be seeing dual and quad core ARMs next year and a much better GPU. Fact is the iPhone's OS has been optimised heavily to run on its hardware, while Android is still not 100% tailored for the hardware its running on, instead it was designed to run on as many platforms and configurations as possible by stock.

[Q] Galaxy S vs Neo V for gaming? Help !!!

I am going to buy a new smartphone in couple of days.
For the first time i thought of buying Neo V because of its design and bravia engine display with large screen for gaming[ Ray would be little bit small to hold in both hands for gaming so dropped it ].
But,
Now i am confused to choose which phone to buy after seeing Galaxy S even though its on old model it has the same stand in the market.
I actually want to buy smartphone for HD gaming from gameloft and nonGL.
Which mobile supports all HD games
So please tell me which one should i buy....?

I have the SGS (Samsung Galaxy S) and it's a very good phone!
Anyway, for HD gaming is not too good... I don't have the Neo V, but checking the specs I can tell that it ain't very good neither.
I would recommend you to get a Xperia Play ( If you want your smatphone for gaming), is Cheaper than the SGS and has a better GPU.
The good thing about the SGS is that it has a lot of attention from the community (that means a lot of custom ROMs).
If you can get the money get a SGS2 or a Galaxy Nexus.
Cheers

For gaming, Galaxy S has PowerVR SGX 540 graphics is probably one of the best low priced android phones for gaming since iPhone has PowerVR SGX 535 graphics . Because games are natively coded and optimized for PowerVR GPUs, there is none of that "porting" thingie needed to be done.
That means the games are stable, fast and efficient when running on PowerVR graphics. There isn't "lost in quality" as much as regular ports, that unless you're playing it on a HD TV via TV out. Otherwise, WVGA is the limitation to that.
Neo V has Adreno 205, a non-powervr chip and is relativity slower than PowerVR SGX 540. So I wouldn't recommend that for gaming.

what about galaxy r i9103
Nvidia Tegra 2 AP20H
Dual-core 1 GHz Cortex-A9
ULP GeForce
1 GB RAM

I dont know, but if you play so much your battery will be down in 2-3h

Xperia play probably would be good, but the custom rom side of things is a bit of a barren wasteground compared to over here on the SGS forum. There are only 1-2 custom roms that are any good.
Had very mixed results with converting my own PSX games with psxperia, but the dedicated hardware controller is soooo much better than a on-screen one

vamsikrishnach said:
what about galaxy r i9103
Nvidia Tegra 2 AP20H
Dual-core 1 GHz Cortex-A9
ULP GeForce
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As far as I know, Tegra 2 shares many of the similarities to PowerVR architecture. Some graphically intensive games are also optimized for this particular chip and are listed THD.
Lets sum up the pluses:
1) Similar architecture
2)THD optimized games enabling extra detail for ULV Geforce GPUs
So why not?