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Collated materials from CDC and WHO to help us all understand this scare of a swine flu pandemic, what to watch out for, how to prevent it from spreading, and treatment for it once the virus is contracted. Also included a worldwide Swine Flu tracker, it pinpoints all areas in the world where there is suspected/confirmed cases and deaths. Be safe out there. Check it out here http://www.allaboutswineflu.net/
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here goes another one read the they are closing schools her eon off topic forum please...
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here goes another one read the they are closing schools her eon off topic forum please...
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More than off topic Paisa.....
There is a more coherent and neutral thread about this
On this case please let Mexicans act like a Mods
This is not good...
I believe, all human beings are pay more attention to hygiene and defend yourself carefully, we have confidence to win this horrific swine flu.
Obama!!!!!????
Do you have a HTC too?
Do you have time to post in XDA Devs...?
nothing to be scared, everthing will be controled..
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Do you have time to post in XDA Devs...?
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lmao! after the BB incident he decided to upgrade to WM.
Swine Flu
Two Steps to a Strong Immune System That Will Keep You Safe
The outbreak of swine flu has understandably caused a great deal of concern around the globe. It's more important than ever to do what you can to avoid coming down with any infectious disease. A very important aspect of this is to maintain a strong immune system and I'd like to give you two tips right now on just how to do that.
The first tip is to manage your stress. I don't think anyone would argue that the average person has more stress in their life than at any other time in history. This is because the rate of change in today's world of steadily increasing. Anytime we have to adapt to a changing situation it creates a form of stress.
We don't necessarily want to stress go away we do need to manage it. If we don't we'll not only detract from the quality of our lives, we will actually weaken our immune system.
A dramatic example of this was a study in which volunteers were exposed to cold virus. Prior to the exposure they took a survey that measured the amount of stress they were experiencing at the time. Not everyone who is exposed to the virus became ill. Those who were under the most stress were not only more likely to become sick, they also had more severe symptoms and stayed sick or longer.
There are many effective ways to manage stress. These include the relaxation response, meditation, hypnosis, visualization and so forth. The important thing is to find a technique that appeals to you and practice it regularly.
The next bit of advice is to get enough sleep. This is an area that too many people neglect today and unfortunately pay the price for it.
A study in the archives of internal medicine show this clearly. People who had less than seven hours of sleep each night were more than three times as likely to come down with a cold during the course of the study as those who slept for eight or more hours.
Even more impressive, a delay in falling asleep a relatively short interruptions in sleep during the night increase the susceptibility to coming down with a cold even more.
The bottom line is that your mother's advice to "get a good night sleep" is one the best things you can do to support your immune system.
A study in the archives of internal medicine show this clearly. People who had less than seven hours of sleep each night were more than three times as likely to come down with a cold during the course of the study as those who slept for eight or more hours.
Even more impressive, a delay in falling asleep a relatively short interruptions in sleep during the night increase the susceptibility to coming down with a cold even more.
The bottom line is that your mother's advice to "get a good night sleep" is one the best things you can do to support your immune system.
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OK, since I've started a new weight loss regime, I figured I'd start a thread to see who else is into fitness/weightloss at the moment.
Maybe post your progress as you lose weight, or build muscle...
I'm currently 88Kg, which is 10-15Kg overweight for my height and age. Most of it is in my gut
I signed up with Anytime Fitness. They have really good facilities...all new and modern...the aerobic equipment (treadmill, rower, clye, stepper) all have tv available on the large LCD screen...
Also signed up with CalorieKing (US version available too). You enter your age, height, wieght etc and set a target weight, then it tell you how many calories you need per day. You use it like a food and excercise diary so it does all the work for you. It's a very handy tool. It has almost every food/brand in it's database.
Also signed up with Fitocracy, with a group on an Aussie forum. You get points for exercising/weight lifting etc and compete with others, as well as doing challenges etc...really good fun and help with the motivation!
If there was enough interest, I'd start an XDA group
Not at the moment, but i plan to start jogging and working out again (like the past years) starting february. I'm 25, my weight is currently 85kg and i'm 184cm (6"). I managed to lose 15kg last year (and 10kg is back now since i like beer and pizza).
I used RunKeeper Pro last year when i jogged and i'm planning to do the same this year. So my goal is to lose some weight and get more ripped (i'm fairly muscular since i used to lift weights for a couple of years, but no Arnold).
After that it'll be summer again and i'll slowly drown in beer and BBQ and i'll be at 85kg again in 12 month
Btw Willie, how old are you? Yes, we need to know.
I need to lose my beer belly. Since drastically decreasing my smoking, I've gained 10 kilos, and now my face has some fat on it, not just skin and bones like 3 months ago. So I'm actually happy I gained weight. lol
I think we're all in the same boat. Too much time in front of the computer, not enough time in the gym.
When they fit treadmills with 24" monitors and broadband connections i may consider going back!
Copycat.....you know what I'm talking about mate
DirkGently said:
I think we're all in the same boat. Too much time in front of the computer, not enough time in the gym.
When they fit treadmills with 24" monitors and broadband connections i may consider going back!
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They have the next best thing at a gym i used to go to. Treadmills with intigraded monitors and cable TV. I watched American Chopper while i jogged It actually helped since my mind was somewhere else and not "omg, i can't run anymore, omg omg".
Phatman don't do gyms.
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Phatman don't do gyms.
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me neither but i need to buff up, its just such a hard habit to get into
I do arm curls lifting this whopper to my face. Mmmmmm
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I do arm curls lifting this whopper to my face. Mmmmmm
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To your face?? Oh.... a burger
LordManhattan said:
They have the next best thing at a gym i used to go to. Treadmills with intigraded monitors and cable TV. I watched American Chopper while i jogged It actually helped since my mind was somewhere else and not "omg, i can't run anymore, omg omg".
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Yea, that's what my gym has
Have set up 3 session with a fitness trainer who's going to come up with a program for me to follow.
Can't wait to see that gut start disappearing!
I wanted to order pizza when i got home tonight, but i resisted. First step on the road to recovery!
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I wanted to order pizza when i got home tonight, but i resisted. First step on the road to recovery!
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lol...got to start somewhere
So..I'm starting one soon as I know I'm about 10-15 lbs overweight and just got word from doctor my chol/blood pressure is borderline. A lot to do with the food I eat; counting calories never worked for me. I'm actually seeing a dietitian soon that will work with me to form a proper diet so I can actually intake more of the good stuff and cut down on the bad stuff.
Apparently, all the exercise and calorie counting in the world doesn't get anywhere without eating the right foods and doing the right exercises.
For exercise, I just need to increase frequency, work already gives me 3 days a week out of their time, just need to put some personal time into it.
My dad was told by his doctor a few years ago that he was at risk for diabetes, and just recently he actually started to do something about it. He's been running on a treadmill everyday for about 4 months, slowly increasing the pace and workload. He hasn't lost a lot of weight (we assume it is because of how he eats) so I started to make him swim with me. I'm a pretty good swimmer, and i lost a ton of weight by doing it. I hope the combination will help him lose weight. Good luck to you guys.
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Over 2 weeks now
I've been going to the gym for over 2 weeks now (this after signing up for a membership and paying for it for the past 2 years yet never did I step foot inside the gym until recently!). Let me tell you it's a great feeling to get back to gym. I use the treadmill for 20 minutes everyday (they have 17" flat screens per treadmill now with 10-15 channels!) and then spend an hour using the weights. I actually look forward to going to gym now.
To those of you who are thinking about it: I've been on and off from the gym a lot, but I finally realized that if you really want something then you will make time for it no matter what. So in the end you need to look at yourself and ask how badly you want to lose those pounds or gain muscle. I'm not talking about simply saying "Yeah, I need it badly", but FEELING THE NEED. Then you will have your answer
Yep, I've been going for a few weeks now. It's definitely getting much easier and I'm nowhere near as sore after a session now
I do the same as machmanx above, I use the treadmill (also have tv screens on the equipment ) for a 20-30 minute run, then hit the weights.
I'm loving it. I have more "get up and go" now...I'm not as much of a lazy bum as I used to be
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The more muscle you build the more calories they'll burn, starting with the simple carbs and then the complex carbs, but don't lower your caloric intake drastically as the reverse will happen and your body will go into catabolic state (catabolism), and start using your muscle for energy and store fat instead as it will feel it is in a famine situation and fat is more important (nerves, brain function, and organ protection), and while a difficult process, your liver can convert protein for energy needs.
A good idea is to determine a decent caloric minimum intake for daily sustenance (just to survive that is -major organs, digestion, heart pumping etc.), take into account your daily lifestyle i.e. office work at a desk versus working on a farm, construction etc., and then add calories for those needs and still more for weight training and aerobic exercise. That way you'll have sufficient energy for daily needs plus calories to burn and rebuild muscle which in turn will burn unwanted calories. Space your meals to be more small meals throughout the day versus three or less heavy meals. They'll be better utilized and your energy levels and blood sugar will be more stable and regulated throughout your day.
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Thanks for the advice...seems to line up with what I've read elsewhere. You obviously know your stuff
I'm using a popular Aussie calorie counting website/diary. It has given me the ideal calorie intake required per day along with a few other helpful things
WHERE HAS THIS THREAD BEEN ALL MY TIME HERE ON XDA?! First, my (probably innecesary and maybe too detailed for some) introduction.
Hello, my name is Raúl and I'm a foodaholic. I'm near the 300 lb mark, although I "don't look the part". I am trying to follow the Weight Watchers PointsPlus diet (I stopped going after two months there). I am 6'2" and "big boned". I used to go to the gym, but ended up going alone and that really wasn't motivating for be (I could try it again though). I am sure I can pull off looking the best best 200-220 lbs, simply because I am a big guy. I am also a full-time computer engineering student.
Phew!
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I run every day with my dog. Sometimes I will play tennis too.
Hello All:
I came here seeking advice from tech savvy individuals before my situation gets out of hand.
I have been engaged for several months now and I do everything for her - and I mean everything! From romantic dates, to helping her learn English (I create study plans), I treat her with love, respect and kindness, I am honest, I am faithful, I cook for her almost everyday day ...heck, I even rub her feet at night! I try to be the best man that I can.
She seemed like the perfect girl at first and showed me great character, personality and beauty - althogh some of my friends are skeptical and believe she may be using me for a Canadian citizenship (she is from Africa).
In the last two months, I have caught her erasing WhatsApp messages, SMS, call history, etc. I began periodically checking her phone and found that she was heavily into pornography (everyday - please have a mature mind), so I spoke to her about it - she downright lied to my face when I had asked her 5 times and now, she deletes her browser history regularly. I have always caught her deleting POF (plenty of fish) emails as they come in, but she claims she is inactive.
One night, when we were both laying in bed, she received a call from this guy at 23h30 (1130pm) while we were watching a romantic movie - she takes it. For the next 30 minutes, she spoke to him in her native tongue, laughed, smiled and I overheard the guy on the phone, who was talking in a deep flirtacious voice (most of you know what this means). I asked her to drop the call and she laughed at me and continued.
This is when I began to suspect she was cheating on me and perhaps that my friends were right all along.
I am using a GPS tracker on her phone (via Google Location History and Device Manager) and on several occasions, where she was supposed to be at work, the GPS reports shows her 5-7 minutes away from work in a hotel for 2-3 hours! I have all the data printed for a potential confrontation.
My question to you is how accurate is this GPS? It says 22-30 feet, but is it REALLY 22-30 feet? The GPS circle doesn't even range at her work area - could I be wrong or am I just in denial?
Can I perhaps PM someone screenshots of this to get a second/third look?
I am highly considering placing a spy Android app on her phone to get a second set of "proof" to end the engagement before I get burned. Please give me your advice and assistance as I don't want my marriage to be a sham and have my life completely destroyed. I have already given up a high paying job so we can be in proximity amongst other things - heck, I even plan to give up my dream of being a teacher because the university she was accepted to (the entire city) does not have my program - it's just too far and we all know how well long distance relationships work, right? ...I feel sick to my stomach right now.
Thoughts?
Talk to her?
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Hello All:
I came here seeking advice from tech savvy individuals before my situation gets out of hand.
I have been engaged for several months now and I do everything for her - and I mean everything! From romantic dates, to helping her learn English (I create study plans), I treat her with love, respect and kindness, I am honest, I am faithful, I cook for her almost everyday day ...heck, I even rub her feet at night! I try to be the best man that I can.
She seemed like the perfect girl at first and showed me great character, personality and beauty - althogh some of my friends are skeptical and believe she may be using me for a Canadian citizenship (she is from Africa).
In the last two months, I have caught her erasing WhatsApp messages, SMS, call history, etc. I began periodically checking her phone and found that she was heavily into pornography (everyday - please have a mature mind), so I spoke to her about it - she downright lied to my face when I had asked her 5 times and now, she deletes her browser history regularly. I have always caught her deleting POF (plenty of fish) emails as they come in, but she claims she is inactive.
One night, when we were both laying in bed, she received a call from this guy at 23h30 (1130pm) while we were watching a romantic movie - she takes it. For the next 30 minutes, she spoke to him in her native tongue, laughed, smiled and I overheard the guy on the phone, who was talking in a deep flirtacious voice (most of you know what this means). I asked her to drop the call and she laughed at me and continued.
This is when I began to suspect she was cheating on me and perhaps that my friends were right all along.
I am using a GPS tracker on her phone (via Google Location History and Device Manager) and on several occasions, where she was supposed to be at work, the GPS reports shows her 5-7 minutes away from work in a hotel for 2-3 hours! I have all the data printed for a potential confrontation.
My question to you is how accurate is this GPS? It says 22-30 feet, but is it REALLY 22-30 feet? The GPS circle doesn't even range at her work area - could I be wrong or am I just in denial?
Can I perhaps PM someone screenshots of this to get a second/third look?
I am highly considering placing a spy Android app on her phone to get a second set of "proof" to end the engagement before I get burned. Please give me your advice and assistance as I don't want my marriage to be a sham and have my life completely destroyed. I have already given up a high paying job so we can be in proximity amongst other things - heck, I even plan to give up my dream of being a teacher because the university she was accepted to (the entire city) does not have my program - it's just too far and we all know how well long distance relationships work, right? ...I feel sick to my stomach right now.
Thoughts?
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Well, that's a lot of Information to cover. The thing I would be asking yourself is if you were vindicated could you cope with it? If she hasn't done a thing and you were wrong could you put your paranoia behind you? What's been happening here in my personal opinion is unhealthy for you at minimum and very damaging to your relationship. I'm concerned about how little you mention any positives about her. Even if you do get your answers has the damage already been done?
You should never have to give up your dreams for love.
As far as GPS is concerned it can be accurate to a few metres if conditions are optimal for example a clear unobstructed skyline and satellite above. Things can get distorted when buildings get involved, interference from other technology etc.
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Break up with her now and cut your loses. Also, next time, don't be so nice. Ugly truth is, you got to be a slight jerk with your women for her to respect you. Don't ask my why, it's the way it is. If you're in a relationship, be the man, not the servant in the relationship.
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@Kareem83 Ohh man, I feel sorry for you. Not because of what she does, but because your suffering for not being able to let go of her. If there's any truths to all what you say, then there's only one way for you to be happy, drop her, like she's hot! And I say this, not because it is impossible to live with a person that have other interests, but because (1) you are not able to speak to each other about this, in an honest way, and (2) since you're even bringing this up here, it means you're really suffering from the idea that she could be with others.
Whoot! Giving up your job and dreams for a woman is just so wrong. It will never last, and it will not make either one of you happy, in the long run.
At this point you only have two options.
1) Let her go, and with that I mean get rid of her! Never fight with her when or before leaving, leave her as a proud man with good memories. Tell her you love her, but that you're just not her type.
2) Completely accept and embrace the fact that we live in a modern world where we as humans are more than capable to have multiple relationships and sexual partners, and still love each other. But from little psycho-analysis possible from your text above, this is not the right type of a relationship for you.
Good Luck!
(And please let us know what you do and how it goes.)
PS. There's no need for any more tracking and spying, just get over your denial and make a decision.
Ya Bud,if you havent yet,I'd kick her to the curb.Sounds like she is at the very least still looking for something else.Trust is most important in a relationship if you ain't got that,you got sh!t
Hi Everyone,
I would appreciate it if you would complete my study which takes about 5-10 minuets for my health psychology masters dissertation. You have to be over the age of 18 to participate. It is about obesity attitudes and stigma. This is the link: https://derby.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_d5WYcUAs8mhINff
Thank you
could you tell me more about your dissertation work?
I'm writing a dissertation work too and I would like to ask you help about how to write it
Well you can search it online.
In my fourth year of study at university. My brain is exploding. I'm doing a finance degree, and need to give an undergrad dissertation.
I have a topic and everything, but I just can't get to write it. I don't know how.
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Writing an essay is a very big headache for me.
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school sucks!
Y'all struggling with writing a thing, though you know it cold - it's a simple trick, not even a trick it's the way we're wired. Just stay with the thesis - what's your point? Now, talk about it out loud to yourself. Just say it as if you're in a conversation; no stress. Look at something and talk. Don't be descriptive, be ambiguous. Soon enough you will hear yourself say your first sentence. The rest is gravy.
So I'm surprised there's not been threads like this already and I know this is a site about making your phones kewl.....but this is the dreaded off-topic area.....so I'm gonna allow it. :silly:
Has this apparent global pandemic affected you directly yet? I'm guessing it has hit us all in some way or another by now?
For me, we've been touched by it already and I suspect my family will get hit harder by it eventually. Here's how/why....
- The Wife is a nurse at a hospital and will surely been facing covid 19 face to face sooner than later. And unfortunately her hospital is a bit of a mess, so I suspect it will sweep through the place fast and furious and I can't imagine she will be unscathed. So yes, my home will likely host the Corona at some point.
- I'm in construction and deal with people daily, and so I am sure to come face to face with an infected person/people before too long. Hopefully my 20 times a day hand sanitizing will mean something?
- folks in my area have lost every last marble and are hoarding everything they can...leaving people in need SOL for finding toilet paper, hand sanitizer, bread, bottled water, meat, soup, baby food and just about every other essential item. Though...i find it funny. Cause if the poop really hits the fan... I know several hoarders that I'll be relieving of their supplies all within walking distance. Lol
- My wife will likely have to nurse through the worst of times, should they come....cause that's what she signed on for. But me, I'll just be told to stay home, earning exactly zero dollars an hour and probably digging a financial hole we will find extremely hard to crawl out of.
- its March break here, so my wee ones are at home. Plus the school board here has said school will remain closed 2 more weeks after March break....so that is good. The kids get to stay home and stay away from the other little germ magnets they associate with!
Anyway....that is how this pandemic has and could hit my family. I'll just say this....before you contribute to cleaning stores out of essential items...take a second to think about others and maybe just get what you need for now and leave some for the rest of us. :good:
Edit: To the amazing super awesome moderators of this great site...if you're maybe thinking this topic isn't right for this site and about to click the delete or close button....perhaps reconsider and think that some here may wanna share feelings on this topic anonymously so to speak...and maybe share fears or hopes they have with the faceless here...rather than "real" people in their lives that don't need to hear about their insecurities? For me, I know I put on a brave face in person....but I'm scared a little too....but I want my family feeling confidence, so I don't dwell on these things I've said with them. Thanks my Mod friends!
thread allowed!
May Force be with you and keeps you strong to fight the Darkside of this virus!
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So I'm surprised there's not been threads like this already and I know this is a site about making your phones kewl.....but this is the dreaded off-topic area.....so I'm gonna allow it. :silly:
Has this apparent global pandemic affected you directly yet? I'm guessing it has hit us all in some way or another by now?
For me, we've been touched by it already and I suspect my family will get hit harder by it eventually. Here's how/why....
- The Wife is a nurse at a hospital and will surely been facing covid 19 face to face sooner than later. And unfortunately her hospital is a bit of a mess, so I suspect it will sweep through the place fast and furious and I can't imagine she will be unscathed. So yes, my home will likely host the Corona at some point.
- I'm in construction and deal with people daily, and so I am sure to come face to face with an infected person/people before too long. Hopefully my 20 times a day hand sanitizing will mean something?
- folks in my area have lost every last marble and are hoarding everything they can...leaving people in need SOL for finding toilet paper, hand sanitizer, bread, bottled water, meat, soup, baby food and just about every other essential item. Though...i find it funny. Cause if the poop really hits the fan... I know several hoarders that I'll be relieving of their supplies all within walking distance. Lol
- My wife will likely have to nurse through the worst of times, should they come....cause that's what she signed on for. But me, I'll just be told to stay home, earning exactly zero dollars an hour and probably digging a financial hole we will find extremely hard to crawl out of.
- its March break here, so my wee ones are at home. Plus the school board here has said school will remain closed 2 more weeks after March break....so that is good. The kids get to stay home and stay away from the other little germ magnets they associate with!
Anyway....that is how this pandemic has and could hit my family. I'll just say this....before you contribute to cleaning stores out of essential items...take a second to think about others and maybe just get what you need for now and leave some for the rest of us. :good:
Edit: To the amazing super awesome moderators of this great site...if you're maybe thinking this topic isn't right for this site and about to click the delete or close button....perhaps reconsider and think that some here may wanna share feelings on this topic anonymously so to speak...and maybe share fears or hopes they have with the faceless here...rather than "real" people in their lives that don't need to hear about their insecurities? For me, I know I put on a brave face in person....but I'm scared a little too....but I want my family feeling confidence, so I don't dwell on these things I've said with them. Thanks my Mod friends!
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Like you said it’s off topic so I’ll allow it I mean wouldn’t you have? I’d bet so.
Anyways, Mike our Virologist friend taught me a lot about viruses over the years and I would say you should definitely be worried. I am and I’m still kinda young. I would worry more about being near someone infected that’s asymptomatic or even just sick more so than touching something that has it. You’re more likely to breath it being near someone rather than touch something with a live virus and have it enter your body that way.
Not sure what’s going on up north but down here in the south states and cities are taking drastic steps in hopes to contain everything. I pray that it gets contained otherwise this is just the beginning and lots of people won’t make it world wide. Hope you are well and stay healthy also bless your wife for what she does and what’s likely coming down the road. People like her in those professions need to be praised ?
They've closed the liquor stores in my state...
This is getting serious now.
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Yes. My work place will be closed very soon, as they've announced yesterday that public life will be limited. I have other work I can do and the government will financially support affected businesses, so I'm not too worried. However, the signs for the pandemic were already there months ago and my government hasn't done anything to fight it until just recently, so I am not at all happy about how they are governing.
Yep, my plans for buying a new vehicle will probably have to be put on hold. The money that I've saved for a down payment will have to be reserved for the economic woes ahead.
Cash is king
The spread of the epidemic has crippled my plans to buy a house. I need to deposit more cash in my hand. Cash is king.
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Keep us updated will ya? Things are crazy here where I live.
I'm in the US. The only thing that concerns me is being able to find diapers and TP when I need it because of all the hoarding people are doing. Barring that, my level of concern here in the states is a solid zero.
I really love math and when you plug in the death toll vs the infection count, it's probably less dangerous than the flu. Obviously other countries will end up with different results. This is just using info for the US, so keep that in mind.
The most recent numbers I can find are,
Infections: 9,486
Deaths: 155
When you plug this into a calculator, I'll admit it looks kinda bad.
155 x 100 ÷ 9,486 = 1.63% ← This is the perceived death rate here.
And here's why it's nothing to panic over. Most people with mild symptoms, or no symptoms at all, simply won't be tested (unless they die), so the actual number of infections is definitely much higher. How high is it? We don't know exactly, but the estimates I've seen range from 200,000 to 500,000 infections . So let's use those numbers and see how bad the estimates are.
155 x 100 ÷ 200,000 = 0.07% ← This is our high end for the estimated death rate. Far lower than the flu or common cold.
And as the estimated number of infections goes up, the death rate drops accordingly. If 500,000 people are actually infected, then the death rate is way smaller.
155 x 100 ÷ 500,000 = 0.03% ← This is our low end estimate.
If you don't have a chronic health condition, or you're not over 60yrs old, then you really don't have much to worry about in my opinion. Wash your hands a bit more, avoid at risk people when going about your day if possible. Don't lose your head in the process. 99% of confirmed cases have been mild thus far. (Symptoms no worse than a cold, or allergies.)
It is interesting question now...it is a big problem
Belgium here and we're on what they call a Lockdown light. We can only go outside to:
Go to work (if it's essential. when possible to work from home, it's obligatory)
Go to the store
Get money from an ATM
Go to the doctor
Help vulnerable people
Get some exercise like running, cycling, etc. (alone, with family members or with one friend if a distance of 1.5m is respected at all times)
All shops are closed, except:
Food stores, including night shops
Shops that sell mainly animal food
Pharmacies
News paper shops
Gas stations
Hair dressers (max of 1 customer at a time)
Conditions shops need to adhere to:
Social Distancing: people need to stay 1.5m apart from each other
In supermarkets there can only be 1 customer per 10m² and they can only be present for 30 minutes
Food stores can be open from 7AM to 10PM
Night shops must close at 10PM
Misc:
All bars/restaurants/etc. are closed, take-away is still allowed unless it causes large cues
Local markets are forbidden unless they are essential for food supply
Hotels can still be open but may not provide access to a bar or any other space that brings people together
Schools are open but only for day care (focused for people working in health care), no lessons are given
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Confirmed: 1,795
Deaths: 21
Recovered: 31
It's been pretty crazy but manageable so far. The inexplicable rush for toilet paper has been a big deal here as well. What is up with that? They can starve to death but really need to be able to wipe their tushie for the next 6 months? lol. It all feels so unreal. It's like we've entered World War 3 but we're all fighting a common but invisible enemy.
I went out on a run yesterday and there were still quite a few people out and about getting some exercise or simply some fresh air. There was a massive amount of respect, honoring the social distancing and noticed that the younger folk always went out of the way for the elderly.
My wife works for the 112 emergency central and it's been true madness up there at times. I heard of 1.000 seconds of waiting time on the 'doctors on duty' weekend lines.
@Deaddpool Give my best to your wife as I have the utmost respect for everyone working in health care these days. Now more than ever, they are the true heroes of the world! Wishing the best for you and your family.
Spaceminer said:
I'm in the US. The only thing that concerns me is being able to find diapers and TP when I need it because of all the hoarding people are doing. Barring that, my level of concern here in the states is a solid zero.
I really love math and when you plug in the death toll vs the infection count, it's probably less dangerous than the flu. Obviously other countries will end up with different results. This is just using info for the US, so keep that in mind.
The most recent numbers I can find are,
Infections: 9,486
Deaths: 155
When you plug this into a calculator, I'll admit it looks kinda bad.
155 x 100 ÷ 9,486 = 1.63% ← This is the perceived death rate here.
And here's why it's nothing to panic over. Most people with mild symptoms, or no symptoms at all, simply won't be tested (unless they die), so the actual number of infections is definitely much higher. How high is it? We don't know exactly, but the estimates I've seen range from 200,000 to 500,000 infections . So let's use those numbers and see how bad the estimates are.
155 x 100 ÷ 200,000 = 0.07% ← This is our high end for the estimated death rate. Far lower than the flu or common cold.
And as the estimated number of infections goes up, the death rate drops accordingly. If 500,000 people are actually infected, then the death rate is way smaller.
155 x 100 ÷ 500,000 = 0.03% ← This is our low end estimate.
If you don't have a chronic health condition, or you're not over 60yrs old, then you really don't have much to worry about in my opinion. Wash your hands a bit more, avoid at risk people when going about your day if possible. Don't lose your head in the process. 99% of confirmed cases have been mild thus far. (Symptoms no worse than a cold, or allergies.)
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The problem is your math is very flawed which is surprising from someone that claims to know math the way that you do. But it is also a common mistake from many that haven't taken the time and done enough research to properly construct an accurate math projection. I am not saying any of this to pick on you but rather to educate you.
I pay very close attention to the news about the virus and yes, there are definitely a significant amount of cases we don't know about, which is primarily due to lack of testing, but official estimates are nowhere the numbers you have above.
As of writing this, the US has 11,689 and rising by the hour. That doesn't seem like very many but just 10 days ago we had about 680 cases. Every 2.5 cases rise exponentially. That means in 2 weeks' time (assuming current trends continue) the US will have around 67,000 known cases. and in 3 weeks 100,800 and these are extremely conservative numbers due to the number of different cities and states seeing outbreaks simultaneously. We are prob looking at 250,000 to 500,000 infection in a month's time unless quarantine efforts begin to flatten the curve. The reason this happens is that 1 people think like you and don't take it seriously and 2 people spread the virus unknowingly due to mild or no symptoms.
Another reason your math is flawed is the average time from first symptoms to death is roughly 14 days and up to 28 days. Therefore comparing the current number of deaths to the current cases amount is an extremely inaccurate way to get a perceived death rate. Official estimates are around a 3.5% death rate but it is very hard to know for sure just like you said above. If you look at Italy, their death rate is around 7% currently and they have one of the best health systems in the world. I read a report today, that doctors at one hospital stopped counting the dead bodies.
Italy is a peek into the future if people in the States don't take this seriously. About 1 in 20 cases, no matter your age, and 1-10 or less for older folk develop serious to critical symptoms. Under normal circumstances, those cases should all be cured but they do take around a month to fully heal. The problem that we will face very soon is health systems being overrun just like they are in Italy. Italy doctors are having to choose who lives and dies via triage protocols. While it is true the older you are the worse it can be, but that doesn't mean younger people are not at risk. France as of about 5 days ago had 300 critical cases for people under the age of 60. I am sure that number has since risen just like every other number. So in a month and a half's time, we are looking at 25 to 50 thousand ICU cases or roughly 50% of capacity if it was even distributed (which it won't be).
The 2 biggest problems the US is facing right now is denial and a bunch of people thinking they are smarter than the professionals. Let's put it this way...
The CDC estimates somewhere between 200,000 and 2.1 million dead with 500,000 being the most probable by the time this is over. That is assuming containment efforts fail of course. This means you WILL know people who have died as our morgues fill up. To put this in perspective, 30,000 people died in the US last year from the flu. But hey, you're good at math so you know better than the virologists and epidemiologists even though you seemed to fail to understand exponential math while doing your calculations.
Oh, and uh, by the way, currently younger people have a large portion of ICU cases from the coronavirus in the US
https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...zations-united-states-according-new-cdc-data/
mark manning said:
(...) The 2 biggest problems the US is facing right now is denial and a bunch of people thinking they are smarter than the professionals. (...)
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IKR! The ignorance and dismissal I see in so many people is just baffling. I've had a few arguments with people that have a more "liberal view" on the regulations our government wants us to follow. I believe the main issue is that many people refuse to believe problems if they can't see or experience them properly. It's sad to realize that for many people this will only become a real problem when a loved one dies. At that point it's likely far too late to start taking it seriously.
By the way, if we do the aforementioned math on mainland China we get ((3,249 * 100) / 81,155) 4% and it's not over just yet...
@mark manning
I explicitly stated the numbers were for the US and that other countries will have different results. Some countries are definitely much worse than others. At the time of writing that, those were the numbers available. They get updated daily here. When I used estimates, I also explicitly stated that they were just that, estimates. My math with the numbers I had at the time is perfectly correct. Using the numbers they updated with today, it puts the death rate 1.33% here, which is lower than yesterday. I am again, speaking only of the US in the above statement. I used John's Hopkins data tracker for my math. Which includes reports from the CDC, the WHO, and our state/local health departments. There were 13,159 confirmed cases in the US at the time of writing this, and 176 deaths.
Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
So, sh!t just got more real here.
The governor of my state just ordered all non life sustaining businesses to be shut down effective immediately.
https://www.wgal.com/article/all-no...locations-to-stop-coronavirus-spread/31789626
Unfortunately, my place of employment is considered non life sustaining. So after tomorrow, I'm laid off.
This is like a bad dream I can't wake up from. We are witnessing history unfold before our very eyes.
I wish you all the best and may you and your families be safe.
Spaceminer said:
@mark manning
I explicitly stated the numbers were for the US and that other countries will have different results. Some countries are definitely much worse than others. At the time of writing that, those were the numbers available. They get updated daily here. When I used estimates, I also explicitly stated that they were just that, estimates. My math with the numbers I had at the time is perfectly correct. Using the numbers they updated with today, it puts the death rate 1.33% here, which is lower than yesterday. I am again, speaking only of the US in the above statement. I used John's Hopkins data tracker for my math. Which includes reports from the CDC, the WHO, and our state/local health departments. There were 13,159 confirmed cases in the US at the time of writing this, and 176 deaths.
Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
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Well again, the time from first symptoms to death is on average 14 days
Source: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25689?af=R
And you can see that 14 days ago the US had 138 cases in total.
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
I understand how you are calculating your numbers but you aren't taking in to account the time span of the COVID-19 disease that the SARS-CoV-2 virus creates. There is more to it than calculating cases vs deaths especially when the disease plays out over weeks to a month or so and that the vast majority of US cases have come in the past few days.
Okay so instead of manipulating mathematical statistics to support a particular point of view, let's ask this question:
In Korea where we've seen the most drastic measures taken to date, how many people have actually died there?
Compare that to Korea's population and perhaps we can get a better understanding of actual/realistic statistics.
TravisBean said:
Okay so instead of manipulating mathematical statistics to support a particular point of view, let's ask this question:
In Korea where we've seen the most drastic measures taken to date, how many people have actually died there?
Compare that to Korea's population and perhaps we can get a better understanding of actual/realistic statistics.
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Sure but the problem is Korea only has 9,000 cases which the US surpassed just yesterday and fewer than half the deaths the US already has. The best numbers to look at statistically speaking are the Chinese numbers and their death rate was 3.5% roughly and based on the insane testing they put their citizens through in order to combat the outbreak, they are likely very accurately now that everything has subsided there. The next most inflicted country will be Italy and theirs is 7%. In about 2 or 3 days' time, the US will be the 3rd highest country in terms of infection numbers. We won't know what our numbers are going to be like for a while but one thing is for sure, they won't be like Korea's
Deaddpool said:
So I'm surprised there's not been threads like this already and I know this is a site about making your phones kewl.....but this is the dreaded off-topic area.....so I'm gonna allow it. :silly:
Has this apparent global pandemic affected you directly yet? I'm guessing it has hit us all in some way or another by now?
For me, we've been touched by it already and I suspect my family will get hit harder by it eventually. Here's how/why....
- The Wife is a nurse at a hospital and will surely been facing covid 19 face to face sooner than later. And unfortunately her hospital is a bit of a mess, so I suspect it will sweep through the place fast and furious and I can't imagine she will be unscathed. So yes, my home will likely host the Corona at some point.
- I'm in construction and deal with people daily, and so I am sure to come face to face with an infected person/people before too long. Hopefully my 20 times a day hand sanitizing will mean something?
- folks in my area have lost every last marble and are hoarding everything they can...leaving people in need SOL for finding toilet paper, hand sanitizer, bread, bottled water, meat, soup, baby food and just about every other essential item. Though...i find it funny. Cause if the poop really hits the fan... I know several hoarders that I'll be relieving of their supplies all within walking distance. Lol
- My wife will likely have to nurse through the worst of times, should they come....cause that's what she signed on for. But me, I'll just be told to stay home, earning exactly zero dollars an hour and probably digging a financial hole we will find extremely hard to crawl out of.
- its March break here, so my wee ones are at home. Plus the school board here has said school will remain closed 2 more weeks after March break....so that is good. The kids get to stay home and stay away from the other little germ magnets they associate with!
Anyway....that is how this pandemic has and could hit my family. I'll just say this....before you contribute to cleaning stores out of essential items...take a second to think about others and maybe just get what you need for now and leave some for the rest of us. :good:
Edit: To the amazing super awesome moderators of this great site...if you're maybe thinking this topic isn't right for this site and about to click the delete or close button....perhaps reconsider and think that some here may wanna share feelings on this topic anonymously so to speak...and maybe share fears or hopes they have with the faceless here...rather than "real" people in their lives that don't need to hear about their insecurities? For me, I know I put on a brave face in person....but I'm scared a little too....but I want my family feeling confidence, so I don't dwell on these things I've said with them. Thanks my Mod friends!
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Hey man! I’m interested to know how y’all fair through this for sure. It’s true that the impact is felt everywhere and certainly in more areas than others. We will get through it though
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