Adjust Ram vs Program Memory? - Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General

Is it possible to adjust your program memory using the device memory, like on wm2003?

Nope
That feature is not available with WM 5 and up

That adjustment was there because file storage was done in RAM, and the slider would let you choose how much of that RAM to allocate to storage and running programs. Since WM5, storage is done in the Flash memory, so all the RAM is always dedicated to running programs. No point for it then.

alright thank you!
I'll just wait for a different rom with more program memory then.

program mem is static one cant add more by rom other then
move ram from pagepool to app memory
and doing that kill application io performance
pagepool was interduced when flash storage was
to counter the issue that flash storage was much much slower
then old sd ram storage

Related

rom&ram size

i look in the specification of kaiser in htc site, and it shows 256 rom and 128 ram.
when i look in my memory section at my device i saw
storag 153m and program 101mb
can anybody tell me what is missing, im using the originall rom.
am l anderstaning it wrong or there's another reason
The devices OS and applications take up the space not listed in this case 103 and 27 MB, respectively. The missing space is being occupied or used by the installed OS and applications. The space you see is what is left and available for you to use. If you were to erase everything and look at the space then you would see truer values (not that you can).
So whats the difference between ROM memory and RAM memory?
When I install a program on my device (not storage card), am I utilizing space from ROM or RAM?
And is storage ROM or RAM and program is ROM or RAM?
Thanks
Assuming the same terms appy with my TyTN II as with full sized PCs, ROM = Read Only Memory and RAM = Random Access Memory. ROM is Non-Volatile (ie data is not lost when the power is switched off) where as RAM is volatile (why you get a message saying data may be lost if you continue to run down your battery when it's very low. ROM is generally (much) slower for read and write speed than RAM (hence why RAM is used).
In the case of the TyTN II ROM is what is known as flash memory (because it can be overwritten using a process called flashing). It can also be written to in more general use such as when installing programs so I prefer the term Flash rather than ROM because it's not strictly read only in this case.
When the programs are installed into main memory (rather than a card) they will be stored on ROM (so it's not lost when the power is removed) but will be in RAM as well when the PPCs CPU is working with the program.
If the OP nndd12 looks in Start =>Settings => System tab => Device Information => Hardware Tab the RAM and ROM details are in there but the ROM is termed Flash.

memory management

I'm finding the memory management in my MDA compact iv very frustrating. I know it's not phone specific but more to do with how windows itself manages the memory but it's annoying to have 8Gb of internal memory available yet i can't run my youtube app because i have less than 8mb (in fact i'm down to 2.84Mb) of free storage memory and down to 22.02Mb of program memory!
Some of the applications i've installed, i read that they couldn't be installed on internal memory or else they wouldn't work so that too decreases the amount of memory available for applications such as youtube.
Does anyone know of any workarounds for better memory management? i'm now considering a new "lite" rom installation but didn't really want to mess around with that as i've not tried it before.
cheers all.
Ever tried Oxios Hibernate?
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
You have set the "X" button to close programs rather than minimise I presume?? No point having lots of programs running in the background unless absolutely neccessary.
BTW, most programs will run from the Int Storage....just try them at install (if they definately don't allow you to install there, then they won't let you!!) Of course, if your not happy with them running from Int Stor then remove them and install to your device
i have all programs closed down but still am low on memory.....the only option now really is to do a hard reset, re-install my progs to the internal and see what does or doesn't work from there........

memory increase

hello, i brought a tsm 500 (qtek 2020) in 2006.
At the time it had the original windows 2003 SE installed on it. I installed WM05 and i lost an important program.
In settings/memory i had an option to transfer memory from program memory to storage memory in order to increase the storage memory.
For example I have only 15MB of storage memory available and 64 MB of program memory.
After installing all kind of applications (on the SD card) my storage memory has critically decreased to 1.6 MB but I have 25 MB of program memory free.
Do you know what application I'm talking about?
It allows you to transfer memory from storage memory to program memory and reverse.
Two things
1 - this is in the wrong forum, you obviously have a Himalaya, not an Alpine.
2 - i think the application in question is specific to WM2003. WM5 handles it's memory differently, i think.

Increase ram on htc touch diamond

Is there a way to use the internal storage to increase the ram, like virtual ram? With this we could install more software without memory fail.
Thanks
pinttas said:
Is there a way to use the internal storage to increase the ram, like virtual ram? With this we could install more software without memory fail.
Thanks
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not sure about using the storage as a RAM drive, but if you want to install more software you should choose to install it to the storage card when you are given the choice at installation time
Yes, I know. But the memory usage increase.
Same problem, I have installed apps on my internal mem but it still used the system memory.
An electronics shop that can upgrade the memory would be sweet! I own both Touch Pro and Touch Diamond and I love the Diamond's size and weight, but the Touch Pro lets me install away.... The same amount of memory on a Touch Diamond and the SD card option is where HTC failed. Heck, even the regular Touch had SD!
check this out dude...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=551148
Just install a custom ROM and you'll get plenty of more RAM than on a stock ROM.
that is true to a certain extend but....
wouldn't it be sweet if you could upgrade the ram hardware. how hard can it be?
(probably impossible)
Add additional RAM
Hi,
I checked this thread which is 1 year an a half old. Is that still impossible to create a kind of partition in the internal storage that can be used as Additional RAM?
Isn't it what Android systems installed on HTC diamond already do?
Here is an explanation why pagefiles weren't implemented in WM5:
blogs @ msdn @ com/b/windowsmobile/archive/2006/03/31/566187 @ aspx
(change ' @ ' to dots - can't use links yet:])
Since for example Desire HD has 1.5gb of internal storage & 768 MB RAM, and (at least on PCs) it's common to set pagefile size to double the amount of RAM I think it won't be implemented in any version of windows mobile soon.
Android has modified version of standard linux kernel which has support for swap partition since almost always and that's why we can use it on Diamond.
And we use it because Diamond has less RAM than it's sufficient to smoothly run Android.
But I really don't think it is widely used in devices created to use Android as an OS.
Anyway, apps that use a lot of data(opera, google maps etc) use it's own cache file on disk, media players also reads data from files while playing so I really don't see necessity to have a swap file on WinMo unless you want to run like 15 apps at once.
And if you want your diamond to look like hd2, you have to live with the fact that it will work slower than the os and apps created for diamond.
Hope I answered your question

Some Clarifications About Memory

Hello,
I would like someone to clarify to me some things about the device memory. My current mem readings as shown in the Control Panel are:
- Storage: 299.01 MB (210.27MB free)
- Program: 183.73 MB (72.87 free)
According to the official specs, the Topaz has 512 MB ROM and 256 MB RAM. How are these two types of memory related to Storage and Programs? Is there a way to mess between RAM, ROM, Storage and Programs in order to achieve optimum memory usage? For example, in my device there seems to be a lot of free Storage Mem available, as compared to Program Mem... Should I need to do something about this big discrepancy?
I would be grateful if someone clarified all this to me.
To be very short:
ROM (Read Only Memory) is where bootloader and Windows resides:Beside this there is more room to install applications (Programs) and to store personal files such as pictures,videos,mp3,docs etc.(Storage). ROM is non-volatile memory, this means that data will remain in the device even if power is cut off and will be available the next restart.RAM (Random Access Memory) is volatile memory that your device needs for ordinary functioning (loads into it programs that are running).RAM wil be emptied if powered off. It does not have sense to compare these two values and try to make them similar. An advice would be to install and store all you can in the Memory Card.Note: some apps/cabs need necessarily to be installed in the device (Programs memory) otherwise they don't work.Note 2: Access timings to memory cards are higher than internal ROM, take it in consideration if you have to decide where to store/install.
...Well I wasn't so short..I'll try it again:
If someone asked me:""why do I have so little free Program memory compared to Storage memory?"
I'd answer:"It's beause of many useless Microsoft programs embedded into Windows that cannot be uninstalled, only cooks can do it"
Thanks a lot for the (not so short after all! ) reply! So, if I get it correctly, the so called Storage Memory is the ROM after all: In other words, these 210 MB that are free cannot be utilized by me in any way, unless of course, I switch to a cooked ROM that contains lots of programs that currently occupy my RAM, and which they will not be needed to be installed there any more.... However, I am not in the mood of flashing and setting everything up from scratch, right now....
The storage card is indeed a solution, yet it has the two limitations that you correctly mentioned... So, I will basically have to stick with the RAM that is left...
In the same order as your arguments:
-Those 210 MB CAN be used by you, by installing apps in it, but I adviced you to possibly install them in Memory Card unless inevitable.
-Cooked ROMs generally free up Programs Memory area (or maintain same memory and upgrade embedded apps).
-Storage card is simply VITAL,access timings and transfer speeds are good enough to support everyday use.
-Then you talk about RAM: You "have to stick to RAM that is left" as anybody,but RAM usage is variable, depending on how much intensive is your device work in runtime. To optimize RAM memory use CleanRam, you can do it manually or schedule it (like I do)...and of course don't run too many apps at the time (check Task manager)!!
jcan said:
Hello,
I would like someone to clarify to me some things about the device memory. My current mem readings as shown in the Control Panel are:
- Storage: 299.01 MB (210.27MB free)
- Program: 183.73 MB (72.87 free)
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I was talking about these 210 MB, which are reported as free in my Storage memory, which if I understood well is the ROM... So I can't use them to install apps in it.
On the other hand, the Program memory (which I have 73 MB free) is the RAM, right?
Or I've got it all wrong?
210 MB is part of the ROM and it is free space in which you can store personal files (mp3,pictures,videos,contacts,docs etc.)--->same as Memory Card but smaller and quicker.The free memory in which you can install programs is in your case 72.87MB and is still part of the ROM(I want to better check this last statement,update coming soon).
RAM is another memory module,physically separated from ROM,it's another chip. RAM values vary with the device workload.
Update: I confirm,to simplify we can say that both Storage and Programs memory is part of the ROM, in no ways it can be considered as being RAM.
Thanks a lot for all the clarifications, sualc! Now everything has been sorted out to me.
You're welcome,cheers

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