Currently I have two PocketPCs Phone Edition: HTC Touch Diamond and Samsung SGH-i780
Diamond: 192 MB RAM, program memory available after soft-reset: 52 MB
i780: 128 MB RAM, program memory available after soft-reset: over 85 MB
Something is very wrong here, the Diamond needs 140 MB of RAM to run and my Samsung only 43 MB. I come from an HTC Touch XL (128 MB RAM), with about the same numbers as the Samsung (and before that I've had many other PocketPCs).
I accept that TouchFlo 3D needs some juice to run, so does Spb Mobile Shell on my Samsung. But you can disable both and the figures won't change much, so we can rule them out.
Now where are the extra 100 MB being used? Nothing that I can see on task-managers.
The end result is that I reset my Samsung once a month, and just because Spb Backup resets it after a backup; but my Diamond will need a reset a week or so, even with much less use (I use my Samsung for work, from Monday through Friday, on Saturday and Sunday I pick up the much slicker Diamond).
Oh, before someone mentions it, I close programs, not just minimize them, and use ReclaimRAM (MemMaid) to regain some lost (but not all) memory. But that's a work-around, if it had 80 MB RAM free I wouldn't have to fiddle with all this. I'm also aware of some memory leak problems related to TouchFlo 3D, but you can't just say that it leaks 100 MB straight after boot.
I'm wondering, does the Diamond really have 192 MB RAM, because it behaves as if having only 128 MB and leaking memory very fast.
I checked with SKTools and there are tons of resources running after a fresh boot-up... Even some Opera 9 related things... I wonder have many of these can be inactivated???
Diamond has 64MB dedicated graphics memory.
Techno-Freak said:
Diamond has 64MB dedicated graphics memory.
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Ok, that makes sense. So it's not actually 192 MB of RAM, you have 128 MB RAM + 64 MB of video RAM. Then the specifications are misleasing when they say that the Diamond has 192 MB of RAM (same as if say say that my PC has 2,5 GB of RAM, when it actually has 2 GB of DDR RAM and 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM).
Also 64 MB of RAM for a device that only has VGA resolution and a very small subset of 3D functions (compared to what a modern PC video card has) sounds overkill.
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Well trinity has 64 mb of ram, when i installed WM6 uses about 23 mb just for the OS so not much left i think, my friends with others PDAS and old OS like Windows Mobile 2003 can set the memory ram and capacity togheter
For example 128 mb in total, set 100 for ram and 20 for capacity.
I dont see this on wm5 or wm6 , is there any program to do this or now it will use capacity when ram runs out?
Thanks and sorry for bad english
no, afaik the OS takes care of this.
I've DIAM 100 3G instrument. in setting it shows 128MB RAM instead of 192 MB as mentioned in specifications. I'm using [19.08.08] -=® panosha ® =- Shine On 1.3 ROM. Can anybody resolve the issue?
Thanks
Dinesh
Heya, about 64MB goes to dedicated graphics... so like a lot of laptops and other pc motherboards that do the same, the OS only sees the 128MB
Does that help?
for a better explanation go to:
Diamond RAM size - 64MB eaten by aliens?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402747
Device Information says 128 MB
But My Device Information says 128 MB instead of 192 MB
That's the main issue
Just like what someone did to HTC D900, upgraded its RAM from 64MB to 128MB.
If Diamond gets 288MB RAM just like Touch Pro, it would be perfect because Touch Pro is too thick to me.
Any idea?
Thanks!
I think no, Diamond with its size is so small, I really doubt that there is place for another RAM module. But, I have Diamond, and I must say that these 55 MB RAM which you will get with TouchFlo 3D are enough.
Yeah even with the phone skin and TF3D on, and with all the RAM eating speed increase tweaks you get more than 50MB available.
Why do you need more? Even a huge huge program like IGO 8 doesn't need more than 30MB.
Even if you need more RAM, you can turn off the phone skin and TF3D to gain around +15MB RAM easily.
I only have 35mb free...
Im running SwiftBL v6.0 Lite with 16mb cache. Is it normal?
laser21 said:
I only have 35mb free...
Im running SwiftBL v6.0 Lite with 16mb cache. Is it normal?
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Something's wrong there. I'm also using SwiftBL 6 and I have 65MB free. You're either confusing used ram with free ram, or you have somthing huge running in the background.
I want more ram because when you run 2~3 apps in Diamond, it's free ram will drop to 10~20 MB, and then the phone is quite slow. If you watch the Touch Pro videos(just search Youtube), it runs much faster than Diamond, even it's now without very good roms.
I've noticed that when i install a 6.5 rom I seem to loose RAM. With the first X2 rom port it showed as 183MB, then I went to the Pure 6.5 Barebones from gtrab and on that i only get 200.5MB, right not it has 74.8MB in use, and 125.7 free.
Currently the 6.5BB rom has the X2 stuff installed, dialer, panel manager, panels, comm manager and task manager. I installed the X2 video drivers too, but the RAM was already at 200MB before that.
Where has my other 56MB gone? I'm starting to get out of memory errors that I've never had before!
the os itself use both storage and application ram
much like when you start up your pc you don't have 2gb (or how much mem you got)
free memory
Yeah, I know that, but if you check on your PC, you'll still ahve 2GB total, and say 1GB free.
My total is only 200MB when it should be 256MB, as that's the physical amount there. I'm sure it always reported as 256MB before...hmmm
aahhh ok the rest is not showed because it's not available because it's dedicated to the "video card"
not sure if you seen 256 before
personally I always had 200.48MB right now 87.85 free
Yeah I also get 200.48MB but I always wondered how come some ROMs have 200.48MB and other ROMs show less such as 183/188MB (I think Unoff showed 188MB)...I don't think it has anything to do with the PagePool because even after changing pagepool, Total RAM remains the same
On the official HTC website it lists the Touch Diamond as having both:
ROM: 256 MB
RAM: 192 MB DDR SDRAM
So why when I go System Information on my Diamond, it lists Program Memory as 111.1Mb and Storage Memory as 92.2Mb.
I repeat that's:
ROM: 92.2 MB
RAM: 111.1 MB DDR SDRAM
111.1Mb to run Windows Mobile 6.53, Touch-Flo3D2 and then actually do something is pitiful. I'm booting with 10% available RAM only now. So any talk about how memory works on the Diamond would be nice. I dont see how adding apps (if they don't run processes or services) should add to RAM use but it must be as when I install something I notice its eating away at my RAM on a next boot, when the app I installed isn't even running. Problem seems to be this gwes.exe just getting enormous, currently its a 22Mb process... and I dont have the spare RAM for memory leaks or a process thats seems to increase in size over time on a phone sitting idle.
The other thing slightly off topic is "SKTools" listed the screen resolution as 320x240, which if it is and not 640x480 maybe this phone isn't as great as I was lead to believe. Any thoughts?
maybe its a china phone =)
Yea... This sounds like a bad clone to me.
dwizzy130
Are u joking? Its official HTC branded casing front & back and lists as T-Mobile MDA Vario IV (GSM). Bought on Orange early 2009.
How much do u get listed in System Information/ %RAM free on boot , and any tricks I should be aware of? I'm on 95% used RAM so something is gonna have to happen. I currently use the SKTools Free RAM - that CleanRAM app although good and thorough took too long and kept shutting down Touchflo and I'd then have to soft reset, which kinda defeated the object... ^_^
Bluepri said:
Are u joking? Its official HTC branded casing front & back and lists as T-Mobile MDA Vario IV (GSM). Bought on Orange early 2009.
How much do u get listed in System Information/ %RAM free on boot , and any tricks I should be aware of? I'm on 95% used RAM so something is gonna have to happen. I currently use the SKTools Free RAM - that CleanRAM app although good and thorough took too long and kept shutting down Touchflo and I'd then have to soft reset, which kinda defeated the object... ^_^
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So you bought it from Orange?
dwizzy130
One of my friends who also got his Orange branded diamond had the same issue. He has less RAM than i do on my unbranded diamond.
Also found this online:
"HTC have released the P3702 in Taiwan. At its core, it's HTC's Diamond handset, but with a few changes – one of which being cosmetic. By that, the back is plain, no diamond-esque lines this time around. Now, that could be a positive for some, but the second difference won't be to anyone. The Diamond has 192MB of RAM – whereas the P3702 has 128MB of RAM. On the Diamond, 64MB of the 192MB RAM is allotted to the dedicated video chip, so, for the P3702, that means less memory for the user, and possibly no video acceleration, but there is no confirmation on that. No word on whether or not it will be released outside of Taiwan."
http://www.pdasnews.com/articles/htc-p3702-–-same-diamond-less-ram-and-plain-back-2.html
Just a bit of an FYI, T-mobile MDA Compact IV lists:
Program: Total 115.03 MB
Storage: Total 83.56 MB
Device information though lists the RAM size as 192MB, and Flash size as 256MB.
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So you bought it from Orange?
dwizzy130
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I got it secondhand but it came in an Orange box and the back cover was Orange branded until I switched for plain one.
@vss1980
Good idea! Hardware Information in Settings lists:
RAM size: 128MB ---> must be the 111.1MB I keep filling up
Flash size: 256 MB ----> errr....??? I get 92.2Mb see below
Storage size: 92.18 MB (strange not rounded)
Screen res: 480x640 65K colors
Looks like I have a 128MB RAM model So I don't get it, where is the 256MB Flash?? Is that the 92.18MB Storage + windows? Or is the 256Mb flash actually 92.2Mb storage + ~160Mb for video acceleration and therefore hidden? OR is the 256MB Flash the RAM + ROM (what I call Flash) added with ~32Mb missing?
HTC website lies about my RAM then the phone lies about my Flash size ^_^
i have read this somewhere in the forum ...192 mb ram are just for marketing
in reality are 128 ram ( 113 actually ) for win mo and 64 mb for the system behind the radio (gsm,wifi, etc) , and rom 256 (wim mo 6.1 official 146 mb + 98 for storage)
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i have read this somewhere in the forum ...192 mb ram are just for marketing
in reality are 128 ram ( 113 actually ) for win mo and 64 mb for the system behind the radio (gsm,wifi, etc) , and rom 256 (wim mo 6.1 official 146 mb + 98 for storage)
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AHHH thanks very much Logix I can now sleep at night. This explains it perfectly.
My CDMA Sprint Diamond says it has 203.59 Program and 91.05 Storage.
I have heard the CDMA Verizon has less. Maybe yours is the GSM gimped version like the gimped Verizon model.